I'm writing in Joe the Plumber for President. LOL.

I am sure that Joe will find the LEAKS also, lol.

do what us aussies do we have our fedral ellection on saturday and radio rehma which is our christian station has been interviewing the candidates

i went to a meeting a while back and heard two libral polaticians who wanted to hear what us christians had to say they would only meet with us if we got the whole christian community to come to the meeting it was a big turn out these were their conditions the polaticans are starting to see that its also important to hear from the christians

they were drilled we did not pull back and it was an ok night hearing what these two libral polaticans had to say



i heard what the plumber said to obama obama did not answer him honestly its like some in this forum when you corner them they dont answer you honestly they try to what i call palm you off we have a few who are doing this


yeh you guys should vote in Joe the plumber for president obama tap danced around his question i wonder if i was to give obama say $20 would he tap dance for us aussies were we throw pies at him or send him in a wrestling ring full with pig manuar and chicken manuar have him wrestle say a few guys pick the biggest and mean guys you can find and have obama face them that would be fun

but i am only joking i dont want some one thinking i am being mean




Damo

I wonder of Joe the Plumber will turn out to be the "October Surprise?" Say, I just noticed....are YOU Joe the plumber Jo-sepha?

I remember Drano's spokesperson Josephine the plumber... and then Comet's...

Lol. Hey Damo, my dad sent me these cartoons from Australian newspapers. Here is one of them.



Now that's funny! LOL.

Who needs Joe according to Obama...

I can do one better than that....I remember when Josephine was on the Little Rascals...of course they were re-runs. I'm really not thaaaat old.

Do you remember what her name was on the Little Rascals?

hay brother jeff


yes we have this one in our homes its a funny one lol it cracked me up when i first saw it in our papers my pastor showed the church put it up on the big screen we could not stop cracking up he had to preach on something else what he wanted to preach on he put it down and we just ended up cracking jokes threw the serivce my pastor likes to bring in new jokes and use them on us christian ones i have a book of christian jokes its good for the soul to laugh

no need being serious all the time bro

we got this one pastor he brought a mobil phone pree paid and said he is weighting for some one to cal so what we did we sat at the back and weighted for him to start preaching he forgot to turn the phone of as their is a sign please turn mobil phones of before the service starts he forgot to turn his phone off so we took advantage he was preaching on the flood and we weighted as he gets fired up and gets out from behind the pulpit with bible in hand and mic in other hand


i did it first to him i had to keep a straight face which did not last long then another member got him seen a guy go red especialy some one who is british ? we cracked up i was on the floor laughing so was the elder he was next to me



God bles from damo

Looks to me as if "Joe the plumber" is an answer to many prayers including McCain. Here's how I get there.

Obama goes walking the streets of a Toledo Ohio suburb and runs across everyday working man with the American dream in his sights, who without being starstruck asks Obama a serious question.

The reply he received bluntly showed him and the rest of America Obamas plan for punishing even modest success and socially redistributing any hard earned wealth.

Strike One

Strike Two, less than 12 hours after trying to regain "Joe the plumber's" vote during the debate, then in his elitist nature Obama then has the gall during his very first campaign rally afterwards and makes jokes against Joe demeaning plumbers.

Plumbers represent everyday working Americans in a sense.

Strike Three, also less than 12 hours the same media and the democratic attack machine that viciously went after another hard working, self made and successfull working mother named Sarah Palin, is now attacking Joe the very same way.

The plumbers union that officially endorsed Obama is now trying to put Joe out of work. Obama is already causing job losses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqis9mRcWl4


Joe needs our prayers folks!

The answer to a question from an everyday hard working everyday American worker is really going to hit home just what Obama is all about and people won't like it.

The Lord works in mysterious ways and this time he may well have used "Joe the plumber"

I honestly do not know, WW... You tell me!
I am not a plumber, and will be out of business in a month.

To be honest, it is a choice between two candidates that both are not able to fix what is wrong.
What is wrong? Where is God? Where is the support for Israel?

But it is obvious that Obama looks like Santa (too good to be true) and will have problems financing his gifts.
McCain is more likely to defend Israel.

Do I sum it up right? Feel free to add or suggest!

Oh... I think it was Darla?

No. I know she wasn't Darla, the cute little girl that Alphalfa loved but was the one that always had a rather angry look on her face. Let's see. Spanky, Buckwheat, Darla, Alphalfa, Tubby, the freckled-faced bully (whatever his name was)....maybe Butch? I can see the other faces but can't remember the names. Oh....and Petey! Can't forget him.

I'll ask my mom later....she loves trivia but if she can't remember it's going to drive her crazy.

As I was about to post I saw your reply.....no she wasn't Darla. Darla was the one all the boys were crazy about and Alphafa constantly singing love songs to. I'll keep thinking....

Yes...you did sum it up pretty well. I think McCain is the best choice of the two presented us (and I do mean presented us). In other words both are chosen. Which will be the best? I think McCain and I will vote McCain. Are either able to stop the problems? I don't think so.

I hope you are being pessimistic about being out of business soon. I'll remember you and your family in my prayers and....May God help us all. I don't feel it will be much longer now Josepha.

Here Am I.......


I asked my mom and she thinks Josephine was in some Shirley Temple movies....not the Little Rascals. I googled them and didn't see her name but came up with....Farina, Chubby (not Tubby as I thought) Stymie, Porky and Froggy (a later addition).


I wish they still ran the earlier ones....cute, cute kids.

Even though I am young in the early 80's they had reruns for sometime on the little rascals, one good memory!

Yes, your mom is correct. She played a bratty little girl in at least one Shirley Temple movie.

Just want to let you know... I tried going into search, key words "little rascals names". I clicked on one of them and got a very bad spyware virus. I want to warn anyone who might do a search on this. Who would think... on a little rascals' search?

I did get rid of it... but it was very upsetting to see all those virus warnings popping up.

Thank you for your prayer, as I will remember you too in my prayers.
If I am depressed? Yes and no. Yes because it is not a fun position to be in. No, because things of this world do not really matter anymore.
Getting rid of things of this world can only bring me closer to God. Even when the path is narrow, slippery like a log over a ravine, and with a storm hanging over it, truely these things can only be meant to speed up the process of dying to self. The road ahead seems right.

No, it doesn't sound fun at all. Several years ago my husband...very close to retirement age, lost his job. He had just suffered a stroke so along with loss of income we had to continue paying for health insurance which we couldn't afford to have yet at the same time.....we couldn't afford to not have.

The job market wasn't promising because of both his age and health record. I hadn't held a job since we were first married....I've had a very blessed life....tennis, country clubs, etc. I paint and from portraiture make great "extra" money...certainly not enough to count on. So, I got a job, mainly for the insurance it offered.

Well, to make a long story even longer the reason I am telling this is to show how God steps in. As most jobs, you must work for three months before you are covered under their policy. We were paying for Cobra insurance which really, really hurt. The last month I made a decision to save that last payment to Cobra. There is a grace period of 30 days before they can drop you and that would leave just a ten day interim before my insurance from the new job went into affect. So....I let it lapse.

Sure enough....2nd stroke! Right smack in the middle of that time slot. (that isn't how God stepped in ) Well....there were no questions asked and no problems. My new insurance company paid and never mentioned it. That Is How God Stepped In. Thousands of dollars and not one word.

So, He will be there for you too. Someone once taught me.....You do the work and God provides the bricks. But, I know what you mean about, "things of the world" really not mattering anymore. The past few years have been like that for me and it only grows stronger. Many times I must force myself to do things that are expected of me as part of a family and I really love my family. Getting rid of the things of the world has been very easy for me. Getting others to allow me to do that is more difficult


Yes, "the road ahead seems right" to me too. However, I do pray that God keeps you and your family safe, secure and provided for until the time.

J Cobbi, "To be honest, it is a choice between two candidates that both are not able to fix what is wrong.
What is wrong? Where is God? Where is the support for Israel?"

AGREED!

Joe the plumber had his 15 minutes of fame w/o a plumbers lisence. I believe that he simply lied to Barack Obama when he asked that question to him! But everyone has opinions and beliefs and I honestly think that this Joe the plunderer lied directly to Barack Obama because he is racist. Yes. I seriously believe that, and the entire debate was focused on this idiot from Ohio who lied to Obama and the rest of the world. It is completely retarded and I'm so sickened by the stupid media in America THAT DOES NOT focus on the important issues like:

1.) Joe the (ummmmm self-proclaimed plumber in ohio)
2.) Madonna's divorce (who gives a rat's ---)
3.) The Brady Bunch and Marsha Brady's drug problem
4.) Britney's comeback because she is no longer fat and is really trying to get attention (but still has a fat butt) now looks sober, and has her hair back (is it a wig, hmm) and is no longer bi-polar??? Yet didn't she lose in court as an unfit mother? It is apparent that she doesn't give a rat's --- about her children! But her fame.
5.) Paris Hilton's appearance on some stupid talk show (Tyra)? Wanting people to tune into another stupid reality show about who is paris hilton's best friend?! ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME! She is only out there to have her ego stroked since she is getting no attention because of the presidential election and the world's stock market. So let's just stop everything and focus on making paris feel just a little bit better.
6.) Jose Canseco's steroid ADDICTION problem!!!!!! OH NO! This is such an issue!
7.) FINALLY, WHO THE HECK CARES ABOUT THEM! (I can sit here and go on and on and on about our news media and how they don't represent AMERICA'S PROBLEMS or ANY IMPORTANT ISSUE because it all goes back to money and ratings!

Here are the problems that we want to hear a solution for:

1.) The war in Iraq and how much money we have spendt for this mysterious WMD when all that time we wanted to take over the country and wave our magic wand and bam! 'IRAQ, A LOVING DEMOCRACTIC COUNTRY WITH THE SHIITES AND THE SUNNIS LIVING IN PEACE AND HARMONY! These two Muslim sects will kill each other off! They haven't done anything but drain America's economy besides our Georgie boy and his special interests! Yeah, we are THAT DUMBED DOWN and IT IS THE MEDIA'S FAULT and FOX NEWS....don't get me started about the other fraudulent so-called news media mongers. You guys know what it was all about and that was to finish his daddy's war, OIL, and simply the rest lies within their own self interests in how much money they can make. Don't even let me get started on DICK CHENEY! The only smart choice that George W. Bushwack ever did was appoint DICK as his VP? Why? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Who would want to take out Bushy boy and have this demonized DICK CHENEY take over the presidency. That was the smartest decision that was ever made within the corrupt republican party. *NOTE THAT WAS NOT BUSH'S THINKING BUT THE DEMON POSSED KARL FREAKING ROVE!@

POINT IS.......THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS AND BOTH ELECTIONS WERE FIXED AND A FRAUD! ACTUALLY THE MORE THAT I THINK ABOUT IT; IT IS A HUGE CONSPIRACY AMONG THE WORLD'S BANKERS IN ORDER TO HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL AND TOTAL DOMINATION IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.

OH WAIT, NEWSFLASH! Jennifer Anniston and John Mayer, High School 3.......etc etc.

2.) Our ECONOMY (no regulation at all)
3.) GLOBALIZATION a.k.a (OUTSOURCING)! Keep the jobs in AMERICA (oh no they can't do that it is so much cheaper in INDIA and CHINA! This is going to srew up our entire country and everyone knows that
4.) NEW COLLEGE GRADUATE, at lease 60 grand in debt; yet the only job they can get is through a TEMP SERVICE.
5.) HEALTHCARE and MEDICARE?????? MEDICAID....pssssst....GET A JOB! I say to all MEDICAID PEOPLE TO JUST SHUT UP ABOUT YOUR SO-CALLED PROBLEMS and GET A JOB LIKE THE REST OF US. Stop pandering for money in our city holding up a cardboard sign and smoking a CIGARETTE!
6.) SOCIAL SECURITY? 401K? Will it be there? No, it's just like a fart in the wind
7.) TERRORISTS/ISRAEL and THIS MADE UP PALESTINIAN NATION CRAP..........please do not be deceived by this so called ROAD MAP TO PEACE (which is simply a ROAD MAP TO AMERICA'S DEATH). Let us pressure Israel to give up more land for PEACE TO THE TERRORISTS! Go Condi! You Stupid IDIOT along with BUSH who turned their backs on their roots of Christianity! Let's divide the entire nation of ISRAEL and especially Jerusalem so the Muslims can claim the temple mount which was all based on a falsified dream by this idiot called Muhammad a prophet!!!!!!! LOL. Let's sell more land for peace! Stupid Olhmert and his entire cabinet of traitors who have sold ISRAEL and just pissed all over the land.
Hezbollah and Hamas has taken over the entire WEST BANK and the GAZA STRIP! WHY? Because we traded land for PEACE?

What a JOKE! This entire BUSH ADMINISTRATION is a CROCK and it is no wonder that everyone is TIRED of it and SICK of their LIES. I don't look for Barack or Biden to fix everything, but they have a huge mess to clean up and it is all GEORGE W. BUSH and his corrupt organizations fault! Take a look at how the economy in the USA has been in the past? The republicans screw it all up and the democrats have to come in and fix it.

But in all reality, it is a puppet show.

May God bless America and may God bless our next president and pray that we don't divide Israel anymore.

HUSSEIN Obama fixing something the democrats coming to fix it


Thanks for the laughs Marta....those were good ones.

LOL. Hey Damo. Here's another one from your country!



LOL!

Is that Murtha or Pelosi? No, she doesn't wear ties...Oh, I know....Harry Reid. No, can't be him....the ears are too big. Hmmmm, white shirt, large ears, white flag, won't admit the surge worked. Gosh, I don't know....who could that be?

Joe (like all right thinking Americans) knows that the problems we are seeing today in the Stock Market and Banking industries are primarily due to the wrongful pressure that the liberal Left Wing Agenda (LWA) put on banks to make loans to people who could never pay them back. BHO is the actual personification of the LWA in all of it's sham, narcisistic glorying!

Take a look:

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Rep. Barney Frank had a gay lover who was with Fannie Mae. Did this affair influence Frank on Fannie Mae causing the financial disaster which led to the need for the $700 BILLION bailout? Lawmaker Accused of Fannie Mae Conflict of Interest

Friday, October 03, 2008

By Bill Sammon


WASHINGTON — Unqualified home buyers were not the only ones who benefitted from Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank’s efforts to deregulate Fannie Mae throughout the 1990s.

So did Frank’s partner, a Fannie Mae executive at the forefront of the agency’s push to relax lending restrictions.

Now that Fannie Mae is at the epicenter of a financial meltdown that threatens the U.S. economy, some are raising new questions about Frank's relationship with Herb Moses, who was Fannie’s assistant director for product initiatives. Moses worked at the government-sponsored enterprise from 1991 to 1998, while Frank was on the House Banking Committee, which had jurisdiction over Fannie.

Both Frank and Moses assured the Wall Street Journal in 1992 that they took pains to avoid any conflicts of interest. Critics, however, remain skeptical.

"It’s absolutely a conflict," said Dan Gainor, vice president of the Business & Media Institute. "He was voting on Fannie Mae at a time when he was involved with a Fannie Mae executive. How is that not germane?

"If this had been his ex-wife and he was Republican, I would bet every penny I have - or at least what’s not in the stock market - that this would be considered germane," added Gainor, a T. Boone Pickens Fellow. "But everybody wants to avoid it because he’s gay. It’s the quintessential double standard."

A top GOP House aide agreed.

"C’mon, he writes housing and banking laws and his boyfriend is a top exec at a firm that stands to gain from those laws?" the aide told FOX News. "No media ever takes note? Imagine what would happen if Frank’s political affiliation was R instead of D? Imagine what the media would say if [GOP former] Chairman [Mike] Oxley’s wife or [GOP presidential nominee John] McCain’s wife was a top exec at Fannie for a decade while they wrote the nation’s housing and banking laws."

Frank’s office did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Frank met Moses in 1987, the same year he became the first openly gay member of Congress.

"I am the only member of the congressional gay spouse caucus," Moses wrote in the Washington Post in 1991. "On Capitol Hill, Barney always introduces me as his lover."

The two lived together in a Washington home until they broke up in 1998, a few months after Moses ended his seven-year tenure at Fannie Mae, where he was the assistant director of product initiatives. According to National Mortgage News, Moses "helped develop many of Fannie Mae’s affordable housing and home improvement lending programs."

Critics say such programs led to the mortgage meltdown that prompted last month’s government takeover of Fannie Mae and its financial cousin, Freddie Mac. The giant firms are blamed for spreading bad mortgages throughout the private financial sector.

Although Frank now blames Republicans for the failure of Fannie and Freddie, he spent years blocking GOP lawmakers from imposing tougher regulations on the mortgage giants. In 1991, the year Moses was hired by Fannie, the Boston Globe reported that Frank pushed the agency to loosen regulations on mortgages for two- and three-family homes, even though they were defaulting at twice and five times the rate of single homes, respectively.

Three years later, President Clinton’s Department of Housing and Urban Development tried to impose a new regulation on Fannie, but was thwarted by Frank. Clinton now blames such Democrats for planting the seeds of today’s economic crisis.

"I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was president, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac," Clinton said recently.

Bill Sammon is FOX News' Washington Deputy Managing Editor.

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Is Barrack Obama a Closet Communist?

Just as Cuba is moving away from communism, are we here in America moving closer to it? It could well be. It turns out that Barry Hussein Osama may well be a hard-core communist sympathizer, if not an outright commie, who should, if he were honest (and not a dirty plagiarist), be running for President as the Communist Party candidate.
In his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama’s life as a “secret smoker” and how he “went to great lengths to conceal the habit.” But what about Obama’s secret political life? It turns out that Obama’s childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.

And just who is this Frank Davis guy? Fifth column commie scum.

Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What’s more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.

And just who is Barack Obama? It seems that not even his hardcore leftist supporters know, or even want to. Being unquestioning lemmings, willing to hurl themselves over the cliff for their party, they unthinkingly support the Magical Unity Pony, even though they have no idea why.

Obama’s communist connection adds to mounting public concern about a candidate who has come out of virtually nowhere, with a brief U.S. Senate legislative record, to become the Democratic Party frontrunner for the U.S. presidency. In the latest Real Clear Politics poll average, Obama beats Republican John McCain by almost four percentage points.

And don’t think that just because the Soviet Union was defeated by Ronald Reagan back in the 1980s means that communism is gone forever. The snakes and zombies will stop at nothing to undermine America, even still.

But the Communist Party connection through Davis is even more ominous. Decades ago, the CPUSA had tens of thousands of members, some of them covert agents who had penetrated the U.S. Government. It received secret subsidies from the old Soviet Union.

People need to find out more the truth about Obama before we put this committed socialist and likely communist in control of our great homeland. Think about it. Capitalism or socialism/communism: which do you choose?

Be sure to read the whole thing, published by the objective

And some think Obama will "fix it all"....

An interesting article about Joe and how an independent thinker has been maligned by the LWA (Left Wing Agenda) press:

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/plumber...cialism-ignored



Wow - open your mouth and ask a question of the "messiah" and Obama's minions dig through your life like you killed somebody. But no such investigation has been launched by those same media of Obama.

I sighted this van at the Obama campaign stop in St. Louis today. It tells it all...

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Those are some funny posts, Todd. Love the pics!

I was listening Friday on Fox and they were interviewing a left winger about Joe. I had to laugh at this at the left wing. The guy said, well Joe isnt his real name and he has a lien from his taxes. The woman on Fox said "so" over and over and over again.
We cant not question Obama at all. I'm really feeling if he is elected we as Christains will be arrested shortly after. IF we say or do anything it will be taken as a hate crime.

just think if we only have one party it would be so....one world!

Thanks, Rose. Right on, Kimmi!

Things are so upside in the good ole US of A right now. We have had over 48 million abortions in the US since Roe v Wade, but the LWA is more concerned about things like fish:

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By JIM FITZGERALD, Associated Press Writer Jim Fitzgerald, Associated Press Writer

BUCHANAN, N.Y. – For a newly hatched striped bass in the Hudson River, a clutch of trout eggs in Lake Michigan or a baby salmon in San Francisco Bay, drifting a little too close to a power plant can mean a quick and turbulent death.

Sucked in with enormous volumes of water, battered against the sides of pipes and heated by steam, the small fry of the aquatic world are being sacrificed in large numbers each year to the cooling systems of power plants around the country.

Environmentalists say the nation's power plants are needlessly killing fish and fish eggs with their cooling systems, but energy-industry officials say opponents of nuclear power are exaggerating the losses.

The issue is affecting the debate over the future of a nuclear plant in the suburbs north of New York City, and the facilities and environmentalists are closely watching the outcome here to see how to proceed in other cities around the country. The U.S. Supreme Court is expected to rule this term in a lawsuit related to the matter.

The issue's scope is tremendous. More than 1,000 power plants and factories around the country use water from rivers, lakes, oceans and creeks as a coolant. At Indian Point plant in New York, the two reactors can pull in 1.7 million gallons of water per minute. Nineteen plants on or near the California coast use 16.3 billion gallons of sea water every day.

Most of the casualties are just fish eggs, and for many species, it takes thousands of eggs to result in one adult fish. The U.S. Environmental Protection Administration, which counts only species that are valuable for commerce or recreation, uses various formulas and says the number of eggs and larvae killed each year at the nation's large power plants would have grown into 1.5 billion year-old fish.

Environmentalists note that even fish that die before maturity contribute to the ecosystem as food for larger fish and birds, and as predators themselves on smaller organisms. But once they've gone through the power plant, they become decomposing detritus on the river bottom and have moved from the top to the bottom of the food chain, said Reed Super, an environmental lawyer specializing in the federal Clean Water Act.

"This is a really significant ongoing harm to our marine ecosystem," says Angela Haren, program director for the California Coastkeeper Alliance in San Francisco.

Technology has long existed that might reduce the fish kill by 90 percent or more. Cooling towers allow a power plant to recycle the water rather than continuously pump it in. New power plants are required to use cooling towers, but most existing plants resist any push to convert, citing the huge cost and claiming that most fish eggs and larvae are doomed anyway.

"We're not killing grown fish," says Jerry Nappi, spokesman for Entergy Nuclear Northeast, owner of Indian Point. "If we were killing billions of grown fish you'd be able to walk across the Hudson on their backs."

And Nappi says the fish population in the Hudson is stable, despite a recent study commissioned by Indian Point opponents that said 10 of 13 species were declining.

He also says an insistence on cooling towers could lead to Indian Point's closing and a sudden power deficit in the New York metropolitan area.

"What you're really talking about is a $1.5 billion hit on the company, and then it becomes an economic decision whether they want to stay here," he says. He believes talk of cooling towers is "a backdoor attempt by some to shut down Indian Point."

A recent ruling dealt at least a small blow to Entergy's efforts. The state Department of Environmental Protection, which is pushing for cooling towers, said the simple fact that so many fish eggs are destroyed each year at Indian Point is proof of an environmental impact, and Entergy can no longer maintain that it's not adversely affecting the river.

There's still months of argument ahead, but the ruling could be influential.

"We'll be very interested to see how that comes out," says Katie Nekola, an attorney for Clean Wisconsin, which failed to force cooling towers at the Oak Creek plant on Lake Michigan but won a $105 million settlement.

State agencies in California also are working on new regulations that should limit the numbers of fish killed, in the Pacific Ocean and other bodies of water.

According to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, nuclear plants drink from other familiar bodies of water as the Mississippi River, Chesapeake Bay, Lake Michigan, the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Oceans. Water used for cooling does not become radioactive.

Most plants without cooling towers use a system in which water is continuously pumped in, used for cooling, and returned.

Various types of barriers are used to keep adult fish out of the system; Indian Point uses screens with holes measuring a quarter-inch by a half-inch.

However, fish that are blocked by the screen can become caught on the screen by the force of the water intake. To rescue them, the screens rotate, and as they come out of the water a spray of water knocks the impinged fish into a trough, which is directed back to the river.

A California state report says 9 million fish are caught on nets there every year. Even turtles, seals and sea lions are occasionally caught. Environmentalists believe many fish and other creatures are killed in this process, or are injured and die later.

"When you hit a deer in your car, just because it gets up and runs away doesn't mean it's not going to die," Haren said.

But Ed Keating, environmental manager at the nuclear subsidiary of Public Service Enterprise Group Inc., said that probably only 1 percent of the fish caught get killed on the screens. Dara Gray, environmental supervisor at Indian Point, says there's no reason to believe that any fish are injured or killed by being caught on the screen.

In the process known as closed-cycle cooling, used mostly in newer plants, the number of fish and eggs sucked in or impinged is sharply reduced because cooling towers use so much less water. Even if a power plant draws its cooling water from a river, it uses that water over and over again and rarely needs to replenish.

Some plants with cooling towers don't have to worry about fish at all. PSEG Fossil has plants in New Jersey that now take treated wastewater from sewage plants.

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Again, this shows how Obama and his Hope-nosis suffering crowd value life. Obama is an LWA who is beholden to the environmental wackos. So human life means less than billions of fish eggs. Yuck.

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Socialists, Communists and Marxists don't give a rat's rear end about people. They are all about power and satisifying their narcissistic need to be be glorified.

A vote for Obama is a slap in the face of all of the Joe's and Sarah's (Palin) out there who do love people enough to know that abortion is murder. Plain and simple.

gr82bsaved

i think you all are carrying this to an all time low...

starting to look like racism rather than a political race...

and we need to keep our focus on the Lord, not the idolatry of man.

Sig,
We need two (or more) parties in the US. But the Democrats, who used to be pretty decent (except for the Southern Democrats who opposed JFK and LBJ at every turn to give the Black Man the vote and equality with White America) has turned into a party of cowardly closet communists and marxists. The government is the solution.

The Republicans can get a little crazy too. They can be way too "if a man does not work, he should not eat" (to quote the Apostle Paul) sometimes. There is room for help for those who need it, especially if the local community is not loving their neighbor as themselves.

We need JESUS in the middle. We need HIM to bridge the gap. The entire nation needs to place it's faith in the CREATOR and SAVIOR of us all.

That is what we really need.

gr82bsaved

Racism? You call practicing my right to free speech 'racism' because Obama is black?

I have publicly stated over and over again that it matters not to me what race or gender someone is while seeking or executing political office. All I care about is character, integrity and a CHRIST centered moral compass. Obama has shown none of these things.

Racism my foot.

gr82bsaved

Todd, you have a point about the headlines showing what it is we are focusing on, it's really sickening. And the real issues are left off in the dust. Very sad.

Well said Signet......

Can we not say what we believe in biblically, without some one saying racism? I could care less if it is a woman or man or what color of skin a person has.
Get real, we are Christians.

I just watched "Joe the Plumber" on Fox News.....What a great guy. No wonder B. HUSSEIN Obama is trying to destroy both he and Sarah Palin. I hope Joe is the October surprise that will take folks to the polls and they will actually think on the way. Joe and Sarah on one side.....Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Muslim faith, and socialism on the other side.

I am presently listening to Colin Powell, who has announced his support for B. HUSSEIN Obama, actually saying....we shouldn't pay attention to the side issues of ....AYERS, WRIGHT, MUSLIM AND SOCIALISM. We shouldn't?

Isnt it a shame a person cant voice a comment without the whole liberal left wing attacking. He is a common person who ask a real question and now they are attacking even his name.