God's 7th Day Sabbath

Truth oftentimes, to many seems stranger then fiction. Such is the case when it comes, to the observance of God's 7th Day Sabbath. Each Sunday millions of people attend church services for the purpose of worshiping the Lord. This is second nature to most requiring no thought. They are simply following the tradition that has been set forth by man. Many believe that New Testament Christians worshiped on Sunday the 1st day of the week. And that the 7th day Sabbath is a Jewish institution which started with Moses.

People reply on their pastors for guidance and think that they like the early theologians of the Roman Catholic Church are relying on some biblical scripture for justification of observing Sunday as God's Holy Day. These assumptions can not be further from the truth. We will let the scriptures speak on the day which God blessed, sanctified and made Holy. God=s Sabbath the 7th day of the week. In addition, we will see where the observance of Sunday as God's Holy Day came from.

ORIGIN OF THE SABBATH

The Sabbath did not start with Moses and it was intended to be recognized by all of man. It's origin goes back to the creation of the world and of mankind.

(Genesis 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The above scriptures clearly show that God blessed, sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day at the beginning of the world. God chose to cease from His labor not because He was tired. He chose to cease and rest because he was finished with His creation. The Lord had completed the heavens and the earth along with the creation of man.

TO WHOM THE SABBATH BELONGS

Now concerning whether the 7th Day Sabbath belongs only to those of the so-called Jewish faith consider the following scriptures.

(Leviticus 23:1) And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons

Notice it was the Lord was speaking. Verse 2 and verse 4 show clearly that these holy days belong to the Lord not Moses or any particular group of people. If a ruler makes a decree and has, a subject voice that commandment to the other subjects does the decree or commandment then belong to the individual who was the spokesperson no! There is no such thing as Moses's commandments in the possessive sense. Moses was simply the vehicle God chose to convey His commandments to His people. If one is still inclined to feel that God was speaking only to Israel through Moses, consider the following scriptures.

The Lord has only revealed himself through Israel.

(Amos 3:2) You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

The word of God came through Israel and only Israel.

(Romans 3:1) What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Israel was supposed to reveal God and his will to the rest of the families of the earth.

(Exodus 19:6) And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Everyone is to follow the commandments which were first given to Israel, again God did not reveal his word to anyone but Israel.

(Exodus 12:49) One law shall be to him that is home born, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

God operates using the following protocol, the Father gives the message to the Son, the Son gives the message to the angels, the angels give the message to Israel. Israel then is to give the message to the rest of the world.

(Revelation 1:1) The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come o pass; and he sent and signified it by his servant John:

Everyone must follow the laws given to Israel because unto them was given the way of salvation. This is way Jesus made the following statement.

(John 4:22) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

WHO OBSERVED THE SABBATH ?

Now all who profess to being a Christian claim to follow Jesus. Note that Jesus observed the 7th Day Sabbath.

(Luke 4:14) And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.

16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Jesus did not go into the house of worship and teach on Sunday. Jesus observed the 7th Day Sabbath. Paul whom many ministers like to quote also observed the 7th Day Sabbath.

(Acts 17:2) And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

During the days of the apostles, the Gentiles recognized that they had to worship on the Sabbath

(Acts 13:42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

ORIGIN OF THE SUNDAY SABBATH

The following will show how the observance of the Sabbath went from the 7th day of the week as God commanded to the 1st day of the week. As the story goes Roman Emperor

Constantine who was about to send his troops into battle received a vision of the sun with a cross in it. This signified to him that he would be victorious. His ultimate victory prompted his conversion to Christianity.

This article comes from the Encyclopedia Britannica 7th edition. "It was Roman Emperor Constantine (AD 306-337) who first made a law of the proper observance of Sunday; and who, according to Eusebius, appointed that it should be regularly celebrated throughout the Roman Empire.@ should be noted that Constantine was a Sun Worshiper before his conversion to Christianity. To show the influence of this practice of worshiping the Sun, I'll refer you to an article written in the Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia, "Sunday ( Dies Solis of the Roman calendar the day of the sun, because dedicated to the sun), the first day of the week was adopted by the early Christians as a day of worship". The Sun of Latin adoration, they interpreted as the Sun of Righteousness. Note it was a man who issued in the law in 321 AD to change the day in which to observe Gods sabbath not God!

OBSERVANCE OF SUNDAY SABBATH

Some ministers use the following scriptures to support their teaching that the Sabbath changed. Paul=s preaching, breaking bread and gathering collections on the 1st day of the week ( Acts 20:7) does not change the Sabbath. Any minister today will preach, eat with friends and receive donations on any day of the week. Peter and the apostles were fellow shipping, praying and breaking bread on Pentecost (Acts2:42). Now Pentecost is one of God's Holy Days which is a high sabbath. Minister somehow ignored this. And it just goes to show that the sabbath cannot be changed simply because someone is breaking bread or fellow shipping. Furthermore calling Sunday The Lord=s Day@ does not change the Sabbath either. Actually A The Lord's Day@ is not Sunday or Saturday, but a period of time following the Great Tribulation.@. As far as changing the 7th Day sabbath to Sunday because Jesus supposedly rose early Sunday morning look at the following. (Mark 16:1-2) tells you that Mary Magdalene and the others arrived at Jesus grave site when the sabbath was already past early in the morning. (John 20:1) states that when Mary Magdalene and the others arrived at the sepulcher it was yet dark. (Luke 24:5-6) informs you that an angel told Mary and the others that Jesus had already risen. Jesus resurrection had occurred before they arrived at his grave site. He did not rise early Sunday morning as is taught. There are no scriptures to support doing away with God's 7th Day Sabbath. God would have told us plainly if His Sabbath had changed just as plainly as He told us to remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.

WHEN THE SABBATH STARTS

The Sabbath begins at sundown Friday and lasts until Saturday evening. Each day starts in the evening instead of midnight.

(Genesis 1:5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

8) And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

13) And the evening and the morning were the third day.

19) And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

23) And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

31) And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Contrary to belief it does matter what day you observe as the Lord's Sabbath. In order to be very specific God numbered the days and named the 7th day, the last day of the week the Sabbath.

(Matthew 15:9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Honoring the Sabbath on the 7th day is a commandment from God given from the beginning of the creation, while honoring Sunday is a commandment and tradition of man.

Peace to all who seek the truth and understanding in Jesus name.

JESUS observed the OT Sabbath,,,,,,,,,because He lived and died under the MOSAIC LAW..

i don't live under the MOSAIC LAW............JESUS nailed that LAW to the cross............that LAW vanished

and you've been told that a hundred times............and you've rejected the Scripture

you are an un-saved Judaizer, and you will die in your sins, unless you believe the Gospel

stop being an OT Saint...........be a NT Saint

nobody is required to keep the OT Sabbath today

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


ozell, your posts are decayed

your doctrines are vanished 1900 years ago

you're an enemy of Christ.............read galatians

NIV Matthew19 7-8

Why then, they asked, did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?

Jesus replied, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.

This would indicate not everthing Moses said was from the mouth of God.

“Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
He who says, ‘I know Him,’ and does not keep His commandments,
is a liar, and the truth is not in him” (1 John 2:3–4).
A person may know about God by coming to understand only
part of the Truth. But to genuinely and personally “know” Him,
John says that we must experience God’s way of life by keeping His
commandments! For God’s kind of love—His very nature and
character—is revealed in the Ten Commandments. Again, as John
wrote, God’s very love is expressed in the Ten Commandments:
“For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments.
And His commandments are not burdensome” (5:3). And anyone
who fails to literally keep the Ten Commandments—not perfectly,
of course, but as a way of life—is disobeying his Creator and in
fact does not really “know” God!
What about Paul? Did he dismiss God’s law? By no means! In
Romans 2:13, he wrote, “For not the hearers of the law are just in
the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.” And
in 1 Corinthians 7:19, he stated: “Circumcision is nothing and
uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of
God is what matters.” Again, this certainly includes the fourth
commandment concerning the Sabbath!
Furthermore, the Apostle Paul is traditionally understood to
have written the book of Hebrews—and there is strong evidence
to support that tradition. Because of his rabbinic training in the
technical intricacies of the Mosaic law, he was undoubtedly the
most qualified of all the Apostles to thoroughly explain the New
Covenant that God is making with all humanity—the very theme
of Hebrews. After this book describes how God spoke of the “seventh
day” as the day of rest (4:4), it goes on to state: “There
remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God” (v.9 NASB)
This is a very interesting passage. Chapters 3 and 4 of
Hebrews talk about God’s people entering into “rest.” The
Israelites in the wilderness wanted to enter God’s “rest”—meaning
to finally cease from wandering and settle in the Promised Land.
And that did happen in the days of Moses’ successor, Joshua. Yet
also mentioned here is the fact that the Eternal God later inspired
King David to write of entering God’s rest as something still
future. Hebrews states: “For if Joshua had given them rest, then
He would not afterward have spoken of another day” (4:8). This is
obviously speaking of the coming Millennium, or 1,000-year period,
of Christ’s rule on earth—since the future Kingdom of God is
the “Promised Land” for true Christians.
It is in this context that Hebrews talks about a Sabbath rest
remaining for God’s people. In almost every case in chapters 3 and
4, the Greek word for physical rest—katapausin—is used for God’s
rest. But in verse 9, God inspired a different word to be used—sabbatismos.
Many translations render it simply as “rest,” just like
they do katapausin. But that is confusing, since it is, in fact, a different
word. The New American Standard Bible, quoted above, uses
“Sabbath rest.” But does this mean literal, weekly Sabbath-keeping?
The Anchor Bible Dictionary says yes, assuring us that sabbatismos
refers to “seventh-day ‘sabbath celebration.’” Thus, the New Testament states very clearly that seventh-day Sabbath-keeping
is to continue for true Christians.

Those who say that the OT (TORAH) was done away with, must ask themselves if they really
know G-D. For many will say LORD, LORD did not do this or that in your name, and he will say depaprt, I KNOW YOU NOT.......

Hack75

Yes!

in the beginning where are the laws of divorcement with the first man and woman?

example

Num 20: 7 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
8: Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.

moses said

10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

who errored in speaking Jesus or Moses.

understand this Dennis man


Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

why is this Brother?

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Brother Dennis the only thing changed was the sacrificial laws

Jesus death replaced the laws of animal sacrifice.

now go and read Galatians for more understanding.

Paul is telling you and people like you this.

and after you read Galatians go check out Hebrews 11 the faith chapter

the words you speak are very foolish

these OT saints you refer to Brother, you can't walk in there shoes my Brother!!!!

You should not be allowed to utter there name from you foolish mouth.

1: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2: For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3: Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

4: By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

5: By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

6: But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

7: By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

8: By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9: By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

11: Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

12: Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

13: These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

14: For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

15: And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

16: But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

17: By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

18: Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

19: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

20: By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.

21: By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.

22: By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.

23: By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.

24: By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

25: Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

26: Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

27: By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

28: Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

29: By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

30: By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

31: By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

32: And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

33: Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

34: Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

35: Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

36: And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

37: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

38: (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39: And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

we know these OT saints will be made perfect, the question is

will you!!!!!

REMEMBER Peter said

2Pt 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21: For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Moses will accuse you not Jesus

Jn 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

if you don't understand Moses and the prophets writing you don't understand Jesus


Jn 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

go and read the OT and find Jesus


Lk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

the judaizer is an enemy of Christ

who do you speak of Gentile?

Paul taught your forefathers the OT after Jesus death and resurrection!

yet you insist in insulting the vassel of the Lord!!

1Cor 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

Paul wrote this concerning you and the other that serve two masters.

Mt 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.


Mt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20: The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

Mk 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

what have God to do with you?

1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

(Genesis 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Now who can change it!!!

Jesus
Satan
Rome
you

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Not even Jesus can break his covenants!

Deut 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Yeshayahu {Isaiah} 66:22 "For just as the new heavens and the new earth that I am making will continue in My presence," says Yahweh, "so will your descendants and your name continue. 23 "Every month on Rosh-Hodesh and every week on Shabbat, everyone living will come to worship in My presence," says Yahweh. 24 "As they leave, they will look on the corpses of the people who rebelled against Me. For their worm will never die, and their fire will never be quenched; but they will be abhorrent to all humanity." ["Every month on Rosh-Hodesh and every week on Shabbat, everyone living will come to worship in My presence," says Yahweh.]



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Yeshayahu {Isaiah} 66

"Heaven is My throne," says Yahweh, "and the earth is My footstool. What kind of house could you build for Me? What sort of place could you devise for My rest? Didn't I Myself make all these things? This is how they all came to be," says Yahweh.

"The kind of person on whom I look with favor is one with a poor and humble spirit, who trembles at My word. Those others might as well kill a person as an ox, as well break a dog's neck as sacrifice a lamb, as well offer pig's blood as offer a grain offering, as well bless an idol as burn incense. Just as these have chosen their ways and enjoy their disgusting practices, so I will enjoy making fools of them, and bring on them the very things they fear. For when I called, no one answered; when I spoke, they did not hear. Instead they did what was evil in My sight and chose what did not please Me."

Hear the word of Yahweh, you who tremble at His word: "Your brothers, who hate you and reject you because of My name, have said: 'Let Yahweh be glorified, so we can see your joy.' But they will be put to shame."

That uproar in the city, that sound from the temple, is the sound of Yahweh repaying His foes what they deserve.

Before going into labor, she gave birth; before her pains came, she delivered a male child. Who ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Is a country born in one day? Is a nation brought forth all at once? For as soon as Tziyon went into labor, she brought forth her children. "Would I let the baby break through and not be born?" asks Yahweh. "Would I, who cause the birth, shut the womb?" asks your God.

Rejoice with Yerushalayim! Be glad with her, all you who love her! Rejoice, rejoice with her, all of you who mourned for her; so that you nurse and are satisfied by her comforting breast, drinking deeply and delighting in the overflow of her glory. For Yahweh says, "I will spread shalom over her like a river, and the wealth of nations like a flooding stream; you will nurse and be carried in her arm and cuddled in her lap. Like someone comforted by his mother, I will comfort you; in Yerushalayim you will be comforted." Your heart will rejoice at the sight, your bodies will flourish like newly sprouted grass. It will be known that the hand of Yahweh is with His servants; but with His enemies, His fury.

For - look! - Yahweh will come in fire, and His chariots will be like the whirlwind, to render His anger furiously, His rebuke with blazing fire.

For Yahweh will judge all humanity with fire and with the sword, and those slain by Yahweh will be many.

"Those who consecrate and purify themselves in order to enter the gardens, then follow the one who was already there, eating pig meat, reptiles and mice, will all be destroyed together," says Yahweh.

"For I [know] their deeds and their thoughts. "[The time] is coming when I will gather together all nations and languages. They will come and see My glory, and I will give them a sign. I will send some of their survivors to the nations of Tarshish, Pul, Lud (these are archers), Tuval, Greece and more distant coasts, where they have neither heard of My fame nor seen My glory. They will proclaim My glory in these nations; and they will bring all your kinsmen out of all the nations as an offering to Yahweh- on horses, in chariots, in wagons, on mules, on camels - to My holy mountain Yerushalayim," says Yahweh, "just as the people of Isra'el themselves bring their offerings in clean vessels to the house of Yahweh.

I will also take cohanim and L'vi'im from them," says Yahweh. "For just as the new heavens and the new earth that I am making will continue in My presence," says Yahweh, "so will your descendants and your name continue. "Every month on Rosh-Hodesh and every week on Shabbat, everyone living will come to worship in my presence," says Yahweh.

"As they leave, they will look on the corpses of the people who rebelled against Me. For their worm will never die, and their fire will never be quenched; but they will be abhorrent to all humanity." ["Every month on Rosh-Hodesh and every week on Shabbat, everyone living will come to worship in My presence," says Yahweh.]

The origin of the Sabbath was at Sinai not at creation. If you read Gen 2 2-3 carefully you will note the Scriptures do not say when the seventh day was sanctified. The 7th day was certainly "classed w/ yje other days" in that it was mentioned as one of the days of the week.I readily grant that the 7th day of the week was sanctified and in that sense it was not like other days; but the question that confronts usis: When was it sanctufued? Was it sactified at creation? Was it sanctified at the time God rested or did sactification take place sometime after He rested? What does the Scripture say? "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested" "Had rested" is past perfect tense of the verb and refers to an action completed sometime in the past. But if we regard it as a simple past tense, the fact still remains that the day was sanctified sometime following the rest. There is noting to indicate that it was set apart at creation. Moses wrote the record of it about 2500 years after God rested and at that time he wrote the day was sanctified.

People didn't have watches or computers back then to help keep time. What if someone messed up a calendar back then, and, the 7th day that they observed, isn't the same 7th day that we have today? What if, Tuesday is the real 7th day, and, we don't know it?

Good Morning

it say it was sanctified!


after the end of the 6th day

after the creation, it says in verse 1: Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Was it sanctified at the time God rested or did sactification take place sometime after He rested? He sanctified(set apart) it after the 6th day


see my verse below




see my verse below. also

Ezek 28v14: Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15: Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Satan was here before man and the foundation of the world as we know it.
Sin was found in Satan, sin was around before man and creation.
what is sin?
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
what Law?
the commandments
the commandments contain the sabbath day.

before Moses was ever thought about the commandments was kept in Heaven by the angels!!!

what do the book say! The Origin of the sabbath was set before the world was created, before a man was created.
It points to the Lord's kingdom when we all will rest. but, he set apart(sanctified) one day that points to the 1000 years of rest which in God's eyes is one day.

2Pt 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

(Genesis 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The above scriptures clearly show that God blessed, sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day at the beginning of the world. God chose to cease from His labor not because He was tired. He chose to cease and rest because he was finished with His creation. The Lord had completed the heavens and the earth along with the creation of man.

Isaiah writes

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

John confirms Isaiah

Rv 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

First off the term Judaizer is coined, but the term in Greek means Judean. Judean was used in both the postitive and negative sense depending on the situation. In this case a group of men from Judea (small group of a small sect) and started demanding that grown men be circumcized to be converted and acceptable to fellowship with. Well this was not Mosaic Law. This was their own personal interpretation to begin with. Paul himself circumcized Timothy so that he could lawfully enter the mikveh and Teach. See they would have known if Timothy was an uncircumcized Jew, when he went into the mikveh for ritual washing and removed all his clothing. So while people maybe free to fellowship iwthout getting circumcized they certainly can't celebrate passover Lawfully.

Circumcision for believers as an act of obedience is commanded that we circumsize our children on the eighth day. Well, Too late to comply iwth that one once men are adults.

Not only that you quote a verse that says uncircumcision is nothing. Then you appear to have some idea that it is suppirior rather than Nothing.

The comment idiomatically means, it doesn't matter where you came from, just gather in the assembly every week and be one Assembly learning the Law of Moses in the Synagogue each week. Certain traditions were required to be kept, and the Noahide laws of the righteous gentiles were required for Gentile believers.



The active process of learning is to hear as to obey. Every week they were hearing the Shema, which means to hear as to obey. Then the reading of the scriptures, Genesis through Dueteronomy every year.
Notice the references above to the minimum requirements for rightous gentiles touch on dietary laws, morality laws abstinance from blood and those animals strangled. The meat here may even referr to what was dietarily considered Food to the Hebrews. There is a minimum compliance for those demonstrating the fruit of the spirit.



The plumb line is scripture specifically the law of Love 'Hear oh Israel the lord your God is one, and you shall love the Lord your God"

To follow rules without love is a burden, but when one loves God and brothers in Christ they have no burden in doing what God has taught us is correct and righteous. You see the burden is lack of Love for God.

The cost of our hatefulness was paid and the the statement of Paid in full was nailed to the cross. We are no longer free to do as we please because we were bought with a price and are now out of love for the master permanent bond servants of Christ.

Somehow love made stacks of laundry and cleaning diapers and washing up vomit, not a burden for me. But every command of Torah is a love note to someone, whether the Father in Heaven or our neighbor. Those in the new covenant are being inscribed with these love notes from God on their very hearts.

Bananna

amen BatYah,
I will also take cohanim and L'vi'im from them," says Yahweh. "For just as the new heavens and the new earth that I am making will continue in My presence," says Yahweh, "so will your descendants and your name continue. "Every month on Rosh-Hodesh and every week on Shabbat, everyone living will come to worship in my presence," says Yahweh.

"As they leave, they will look on the corpses of the people who rebelled against Me. For their worm will never die, and their fire will never be quenched; but they will be abhorrent to all humanity." ["Every month on Rosh-Hodesh and every week on Shabbat, everyone living will come to worship in My presence," says Yahweh.]

Yes Paul circumcized TimothyCircumcision being a Jewish rite, and the national blood was in the veins of Timothy which made it right for him to be circumcized. Because of the Jews.
The rite was not necessary for salvation (Gal 5:6), but Paul performed it on Timothy on the principle of 1 Corinthians 9:20. But why not Titus? Titus being a Greek, belonged to the Gentile nation, but according to the contention of the Judaizers he should have been circumcised to be saved. The statement is made that he was not compelled to submit to it.
JUDAIZER
–verb (used without object) 1. to conform to the spirit, character, principles, or practices of Judaism.
–verb (used with object) 2. to bring into conformity with Judaism

Oh no, not too late at all.

Wasn't Timothy an adult when he "complied" ?

[often wondered what Timothy thought after he
read Paul's letter saying "circumcsion means nothing"

"NOW YA TELL ME " !

If an adult is really, really sure he needs circumcsion,

he can get a razor and have at it.

Maybe have some hot water and towels handy.

Personally, were I to do it,

I'd first have to ingest a quart or so of medicinal alcohol.

Be smart to do a Google search and get some technical advice first.

[ Personally I agree with Paul that no one needs circumcsion ]

i am nearly 41yrs old i have not been circumcised my son is only 11yrs old and has not been circumcised

the guys in my church have not been circumcised or their sons


if you think its cool to be circumcised do a google and read what men have to say who wher circumcised from a young age

circumcision wil not get you closser to god




1 Thessalonians 2 English standard version

14 For you brothers became imitators of the churches of God in christ Jesus that are in Judea For you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews


15 Who killed both the lord Jesus and the prophets and drove us out and displease God and oppose all mankind




Galatians 2 English standard version


14 But when i saw that their conduct was not in step WITH THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL i said to cephas before them all If you though a Jew live like a Gentile and not like a Jew HOW CAN YOU FORCE THE GENTILES TO LIVE LIKE JEWS ?

15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners

16 yet we know that a person is not justified BY WORKS OF THE LAW but through faith in Jesus christ so we also have believed in christ Jesus in order to be justified by faith in christ AND NOT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW BECAUSE BY WORKS OF THE LAW NO ONE WILL BE JUSTIFIED


your circumcision will get you know where if you decided as a grown man to have a circumcision to PLEASE THE CIRCUMCISON PARTY

i dont know who Bannana is or how strong Bannana is in the lord but ozell and Bannana are enjoying drilling dennis man

hay i dont really care what ozell says to what i am leaving in his post he is not going to be judging me when god decides its time to judge this earth


who are you trying to please when it comes to what ozel is leaving in his post is it ozell you are trying to be friend to where he slaps you on the back and says amen brother preach it brother you are mautre in the word not as our friend damo who is immature in the word

is it ozell that you wil face when its time for us to be judged or is it god you wil face when its time for him to judge this earth ?


because i am not circumcised do i need to gain your approval before you accept what i have to say ?


i also know some women who dont like dealing with circumcised men


read the horror storys they are out their google and read before you force any young boy to do what paul is against


know hear is a Question i would like answered show me in the new testament where Jesus was circumcised ?

can you bible scholars show me where his father Joseph Circumcised Gods son ? as Joseph and mary where his parents even though Jesus was Gods son he was born of a women know being it a Jewish tradition to circumcise the boys on the 8th day did Joseph follow through and circumcise Jesus to keep the peace so he and mary would not be kicked out of the synagogue they went to in the local village Jesus grew up in ?


we all know that Jesus approached John the Baptist and asked John the Baptist to baptize him John agreed and Jesus was baptized

but i do not see any where in matthew mark luke John peter timothy paul colossians thessalonians Jude 1 John 2 John where it says Jesus was circumcised

but i see where god was ready to kill moses i was shocked its in exodus 4 v 24 - 26



Galatians 2 English standard version


21 I do not nullify the Grace of God FOR IF RIGHTEOUSNESS WERE THROUGH THE LAW THEN CHRIST DIED FOR NO PURPOSE


why do you believe its custom for us Gentiles to be circumcised ? is it because it came from moses ?




John 7 English standard version


21 Jesus answered them i did one work and you marvel at it

22 Moses gave you circumcision ( NOT THAT IT IS FROM MOSES BUT FROM THE FATHER ) and you circumcise a man on the sabbath

23 If on the sabbath a man receives circumcision so that the law of moses may not be broken are you angry with me because on the sabbath i made a mans whole body well ?


CIRCUMCISION WAS FROM GOD IT WAS NOT FROM MOSES BUT THE JEWISH CIRCUMCISION PARTY THOUGHT IT WAS FROM MOSES SO WE HAVE TO KEEP IT BECAUSE ITS FROM MOSES


KNOW PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION YOU BIBLE SCHOLARS SHOW ME FROM THE NEW TESTAENT WHERE JESUS WAS CIRCUMCISED ?


i see his brith i see the miracles he performed i see jesus raise his mate lazauras from the dead not the lazaraus mentioned in luke where the rich man goes to hell and lazarus goes to heaven and then i wittness jesus trial i witness his beating and then i hear the son of god forgive a criminal and forgive his accussers and then he passes away i witnes his resurrection from the dead and then hear him say to his disciples in matthew 28 go make disciples out of all people from all nations teaching them to observe what you have seen hapen

he does not tell his disciples to circumcise the new believers

show me in acts where new believers were circumcised ?

if you feel its important for me and many others like me to keep MOSES LAW ?

JESUS DID NOT LIVE BY THE TORAH IT WAS THE MOSAIC LAW THAT ENDED HIS LIFE ON THE CROSS

Damo

this is what i am looking at and have looked at all i have is what the bible i read from tells me




Luke 2 English standard version


21 And at the end of eight days when he was circumcised he was called Jesus the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb

22 And when the time came for their purification according to the law of moses they brought him to jerusalem to present him to the lord

23 as it is written in the law of the lord Every male who first opens the womb shal be called holy to the lord

24 and to offer a sacrifice according what it says in the law of the lord a pair of turtle doves or two young pigeons

27 And he came in the spirit into the temple and when the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him according to the custom of the law

28 he took him up in his arms and blessed God and said

29 Lord now you are letting your servant depart in peace according to your word


30 for my eyes have seen your salvation

31 that you have prepared in the presence of all peoples

32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles and for glory to your people Israel

34 And simon blessed them and said to mary his mother Behold the child is appointed for the fall and rising of many in Israel and for a sign this is opposed


35 and a sword will pierce through your own soul also so that thoughts from many hearts may be revealed



now please explain what happend in luke 2 in the verses i have left was gods own son circumcised it does not say he was cut like it was custom to do in those days to all boys on the 8th day all it says is what i have left for you to respond to




Damo

Acts 21


21 They have been informed about you that you teach all the jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake moses telling them not to circumcise their children neither to walk after the customs


Romans 4

9 is this blessing then pronounced on circumcised or on the uncricumcised aslo ? for we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness



Romans 4

11 And he received the sign of circumcision a seal of righteousness of faith which he had yet been uncircumcised that he might be the father of all them that believe though they not be circumcised that rigtheousness might be imputed unto them also


Romans 4


12 And the father or circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only but who also walk in the steps of faith our father Abraham which he had being yet uncircumcised



Romans 15

8 And i say Jesus christ have become a ministrant of circumcision for the truth of God to confirm the promises to the fathers



1 Corinthians 7


18 Was anyone called having been circumcised ? Let him not become uncircumcised Has anyone been called in uncircumcision ? Let him not be circumcised



Galatians 2

3 But not even Titus who was with me being a Greek was compelled to be circumcised




Galatians 2

7 but on the contrary having seen that i have been entrusted with the good news of the uncircumcision of the uncircumcision as peter with that of circumcision




Galatians 2


8 for he who did work with peter to the apostleship of the circumcision did work also in me in regard to the nations




Galations 2


9 and having known the Grace that was given to me James and Cephas and John who were esteemed to be pillars a right hand of fellowship they did give to me Barnabas that we the nations and they to the circumcision may go




Galations 5

2 Behold i paul say unto you that if ye be circumcised Christ shall profit you nothing




Galations 5

3 For i testify again to every man that is circumcised that he is a debtor to the whole law




Galations 6


12 As many as desire to look good in the flesh they compel you to be circumcised only that they may not be persecuted for the CROSS OF CHRIST



Galations 6

13 For even they who receive circumcision dont keep the law themselves but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh



Ephesians 2

11 Therefore do not formely forget that formely you were Gentiles as to your bodily condition you were called the uncercumcomcision by those who style themselves the circumcised their circumcision being one which the knife has effected




know if Jesus was circumcised on the 8th day as it is law why did he then die under the mosiac law and why did the jews not believe in what he had to say ?

if he was circumcised was he not keeping his fathers law not moses law which the jews thought circumcision was from moses as it says it was from god not from moses






Damo

while i am weighting for the circumcised party to respond i wil add some more scriptures to see if i get a rise out of Bannana or out of ozell




Acts 15

1 some men came down from Judea and taught the brothers Unless you are circumcised after the custom of moses you cant be saved

it was not moses custom as moses did not give the people the sabbath law on circumcision it was god him self who gave the sabbath law to moses



Acts 15

5 But certain men who had belonged to to the sect of the pharisees but were now belivers stood up in the Assembly and said yes Gentile believers ought to be circumcised and be ordered to keep the law of Moses



Acts 16

24 Because we have heard that some whom went out from among us have troubled you with words unsettling your souls saying you must be circumcised and keep the law to whom we gave no commandment



Acts 16


3 Paul wanted to have him go out with him and he took and circumcised him because the Jews who were iin those parts for they all knew that his father was a Greek


timothys grandmother Lois and his mother Eunice were jewish women who had become believers and they had taught timothy the old testament and they were going among the jews who would not take instructions from some one perceived to be a Gentile Since timothy was half Jewish and learned the old covenant ways paul circumcised him to make him more effective as a minister to the Jewish communites they would visit

This was consistent with the philosophy of becoming al things to al people to as not to hinder the Gospel



i was not preached the old testament like timothy was preached the old testament i was preached the new testament i am a Gentile through and through i have yugoslavian blood running through my vains not LIke timothy who was half Jewish that is why paul circumcised timothy because he was taught the old testament

i was taught the new testament



2 Timothy 1

5 I am reminded of your sincere faith a faith that dwelt first in your grandmother lois and your mother Eunice and now i am sure dwells in you as well



but the children of Israel abandoned circumcision during moses leadership and if you go over Exodus 4 v 24 - 26 you will see that even moses did not even circumcise his first born

the jews think it was moses that gave them circumcision when it was from god him self and why would moses slack off and not circumcise his own son it was left to his wife zipproah to circumcise the boy when it was the head of the womens responsabilty to do this as in the old custom since unstable men use eves sin against our sisters to where they remind our sisters of eves sin



Joshua 5 English standard version

5 Though all the people who came out had been circumcised yet all the people who were born on the way in the wilderness after they had come out of Eygpt had not been circumcised


6 For the people of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness until all the nation the men of war who came out of Eygpt perished because they did not obey the voice of the lord swore to them that he would not let them see the land that the lord had sworn to their fathers to give to us a land flowing with milk and honey

7 so it was their children whom he raised up in their place that joshua circumcised for they were uncircumcised because they had not been circumcised on the way

what i am leaving suggests sevral scribal traditions in the first Moses did not practise circumcision and the custom was abandoned under MOSES LEADERSHIP


yet the jews who confronted jesus in john 7 when he healed a mans body whole on a sabbath day had the nerve to point out to jesus it was sin to heal a man on a sabbath day yet they them selves would circumcise a man on a sabbath day



circumcision only applied to the slaves of the jews i am not a slave of the jews but appart from what i have left it was never applied to people outside of jewish faith and why should it be inforced on us today ? since we dont belong to a jew or are we slaves of a jew ? why should the circumcised party tell us Gentiles to be circumcised

its not a cool thing to do to your sons



Gentile born again christians should not follow the laws of moses us Gentiles are free from the law including circumcision

acts 15 v 10

now therefore why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear ?


the yoke paul is talking about is a sign of slavery paul told Gentile christians not to become entangled with a yoke of bondage



Galatians 5

1 for freedom christ has set us free stand firm therefore and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery

2 Look i paul say to you that if you accept circumcision christ wil be of no advantage to you


we can stil be effective as young timothy was effective we dont need to fal for the rubbish i am hearing today

paul circumcised young timothy because he was half jewish half Gentile paul new the jews would not respond to a Gentile minister in the villages they found them selves in that is why paul cricumcised timothy



i wil not even circucmcise my boys to my fiancee who soon wil be my wife who is a filapino pastor and she is respecting me as the head of her we want a family 4 kids two boys two girls


now wil the circumcised party respond to what i am leaving weighting weighting weighting weighting

Damo

You my friend are being absolutely ridiculous. Day 1 began the day God began to create and I am sure He let man in on the counting of days.

[size="2"]What is your reference for Judaizer having the meaning of Judean? The word is not even found in Scripture.[/size]

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QUOTE (ozell @ Oct 21 2008, 11:53 AM)

QUOTE (dennis mann @ Oct 20 2008, 06:49 AM)

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

the judaizer is an enemy of Christ

who do you speak of Gentile?

Paul taught your forefathers the OT after Jesus death and resurrection!

yet you insist in insulting the vassel of the Lord!!

1Cor 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

Paul wrote this concerning you and the other that serve two masters.

Mt 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.


Mt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20: The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

Mk 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

what have God to do with you?

1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

[color="#FF0000"]Paul did not teach the OT he taught the gospel of Christ!

The OT is the good news of Jesus. There was no NT around

Jesus said

Jn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

the scriptures are from Genesis to Malachi(the Gospel)

those people built the pyramids, tower of babel, the greek empire, the roman empire, the most beautiful and expensive building ever assembles

SOLOMONS TEMPLE TO GOD

surely they kept something as time!!!

1,2,3,4,5,6,7, a week

Then start all over

1,2,3,4,5,6,7 a week

and again

Why are you lying on Paul?

where do Paul say no one needs to be circumcised?

Paul said

Gal 5

1: Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

what is the yoke of bondage? it is not the commandments!!!

2: Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

why?

3: For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

you have to keep the whole Law? all of God's laws.

4: Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Jesus is no effect to you if you are justified by the Law.(what law?) you are fallen from grace(what is grace?)

5: For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

we WAIT for the HOPE of righteousness (why are we waiting and hoping?)

now the answer to the circumcision question

6: For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

circumcision means nothing without love!! what is Love according to JESUS?

Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

7: Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

also another factor is added in here those who don't obey the truth.

what is Jesus truth?

Jn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.


8: This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

9: A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

10: I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

11: And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

12: I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

13: For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

14: For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

15: But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.


People Peter warned you against those that twist Paul writings, they have no understanding

2Pt 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Men get circumcised.

Jesus was
Paul was

Jesus will not have a hypocrite preach his word!!!

Here is the one who created Paul.

Here his voice stranger

Ezek 44:7 In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.

Ezek 44:9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

this is absolute!!!!!

Genesis to Malachi is not the Gospel. Paul may have used the OT to teach of Christ but he did not teach the OT. The OT is not the good news of Jesus it pointed toward Him.

Men do get circumcised everyday, but not for religious reasons. You are a Judaizer just like those who upset the brotherhood in Acts 15. Note what the council said to them:

The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith. Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will." And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, "Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written, "'After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.' Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.
(Acts 15:6-20)

Mt 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

what Gospel was Jesus teaching the people? Remember you said that the OT is not the Gospel.

also keep in mind the Lord and Israel read from the OT. so what gospel were they reading from.

unlearned person show me where it says not to get circumcised in that passage?

if you can't figure out that the Gospel is the OT how can you understand anything in the bible.

The true church met daily from the beginning.....everyday...just as the true church does today. Saturday religion and sunday religion are just that...religion. The true rest of God is a continual rest. Read about the Exodus and the miracle of God's divine economy in the wilderness for a glimpse into the miraculous care that God affords those who surrender to His will. It's still going on! Happy reading!

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John

Hi John

please comment more in the future!!!



The true church is Israel when did they meet daily. They met of the 7th day of the week. which we call Saturday.




yet the true rest is future!!! and the Lord gave a weekly rest which prepares one for the 1000 year rest.





it will be at the appointed time. that appointed time is when the Lord returns.

but until now the Lord said

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9: Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

and He said
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

When one is 4 or so,

in a serious tone of voice, Mom may

tell darling baby to "NEVER EVER LEAVE THE YARD ALONE."

Generally when one is in their late teens or early twenties,

Mom loosens up a bit and allows darling baby to leave the yard alone.



"Thou shalt NOT steal" was told to the Hebrews, thence to humanity

when humanity was [so to speak] in elementary school. Or maybe kindergarten.


"Don't steal" is still a good rule, but the example of Christ embodies

much more righteousness than just refraining from stealing-lieing etc.


A person heeding Christ seeks to GIVE all he can.

Such a person does not need to be told "DON'T STEAL"

Jesus created a man and woman, he did not create a boy nor a girl.

when He said

Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

the created man and woman had a heaven above there head and a earth beneath there feet.

so Brother John what we learn from this IS

the law was here when that heaven and earth was created AND cannot be removed until the heaven and earth are.

now brother John we also learn that this law that you seem to ignore was given to a man and a woman before it was given to a child.





Thou shalt no steal was given to MAN not hebrews,
the hebrews did not appear until after the flood.
The People before the flood new the law.




true my Brother, but the law embodies your Love, salvation and your connection with the Holy Spirit

for example

Mt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

and

Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16: And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17: Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18: I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.




not true brother

Jesus gave a numerous example

Lk 4:13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.

It says satan departed from Jesus for a season, meaning he will return

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

we are to put on the whole armour of God so we can stand against the devil.

what if you take off parts of the armour?

Mk 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

the Lord said endure until the end.

Mk 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Then that would make your Sunday......Wed. and we are all messed up. If you really look for the information, you will find that the Sabbath that is celebrated today is the very same Sabbath that our Lord observed while on this earth. It is the same Sabbath that the Israelites observed in the wilderness. And it is the same Sabbath that God santified, made Holy and rested on after all of His creation was complete.

Just think about the record keeping of the Sabbath. The RCC gave us Sunday based upon the fact that the Sabbath was observed on the 7th day. Even when they gave us our current calender, although the dates were changed, ie, going from Oct 10 to Oct 15 to correct a problem, the DAYS were never changed. Oct. 10th a tue. was followed by Oct. 15, a wed.

I have no doubt that the God I serve is powerful enough and can ensure His Sabbath day is kept by all of those that wish to follow the true and living God!

"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day
God ended his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
because, that in it, He had rested from all his work which God created and made." (Gen 2:1-3).
The bible reveals that God blessed and set apart (sanctified) the seventh day.

This day is holy unto God, and it is the only day of the week that we are commanded to honor. "Six days shall
work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation: ye shall do no work
therein: it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings." (Lev 23:3). A holy convocation is an
assembly of the people of God, who come together to worship him.

There are two calendars that exist. God's calendar and man's calendar; both consist of seven day
weeks. The difference in the two calendars is that God has named the days with numbers, and
man has given the days names. God's calendar begins with day 1 and ends with day 7, his weekly
Sabbath Man's calendar names day 1 as, Sunday, and ends with Saturday, day 7, God's weekly
Sabbath.Although man's calendar is universal (the same all over the world) the majority of
professed Christians worship the Lord on Sunday which is clearly the 1st day of the week not
the 7th day that the Lord has hallowed, sanctified and commanded that we keep.

"In the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same
was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not
anything made that was made." (John 1:1-3). Now, Revelation 19 verses 11-16 confirm to
us that Jesus Christ is the word. Therefore John chapter 1 verses 1-3 is speaking on this manner;
verse1: In the beginning was Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ was with God. And
Jesus Christ was God. Verse 2: Jesus Christ was in the beginning with God. Verse 3: All
things were made by Jesus Christ and without Jesus Christ was not anything that was made.

The seventh day is a sign between Jesus and His people (Israel) forever. "Wherefore the children
of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual
covenant, it is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: For in six days the Lord made
heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed."

(Ex.31:16-17). If you're a stranger (Non-Israelite), you must also keep the Lord's Sabbath day.
"Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love him, to be
his servants, every one of them that keepth the Sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my
covenant; Even them will I bring to my Holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer:
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar:
for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." (Isaiah 56:6-7).

Listen, people, read your bibles, hear the word of God, take hold of His covenant and follow
the example that he has set for us.

Prophecy declared that we would forget to keep the Sabbath holy. "Remember the Sabbath day to
keep it holy", is what the Lord commands us in the "Ten Commandments", see Ex.20:8-11.
Yes, the world has forgotten to sanctify the Sabbath and that is the reason why we (the world)
are in such a terrible state today. "The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because
they have transgressed the laws, change the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
Therefore hath the cursed devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the
inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left." (Isaiah 24:5-6).


Let this scripture encourage us not to be "Covenant breakers" and learn how we are to honor the Sabbath by keeping it holy and a sacred day. Men and women of Israel and all that fear God, if we want eternal life in Jesus'
Kingdom, and favor with God and man here on earth, we must be real Christians; not so-called Christians
, and rejoice in his Sabbath on the Sabbath (7th day).

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