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Humble Bob
You know, I've believed for a while now that the mark of the beast was currency or money, and my thoughts about the mark being a literal mark was in doubt. But chipping, RFID technology could certainly establish a "mark" that none without it could buy or sell anything. I've thought this for a while.

I thought, the idea if it were actually proposed to the public would be so objectionable that people would see it for what it was and reject it. Getting chipped for the sake of buying and selling would mean another loss of a liberty that Americans always valued. It seems implausible for any moral and rational thinking person to accept such a concept.

But now, I'm not so sure. Is there an elitist power group whose history goes back to the days of Napoleon to the likes of the Rothchilds, the Morgans, and the Rockerfellers having an agenda that is unknown to the public but who work for their own self interest? It is possible this group in history's past from World War I, and II had put events into play so as to incite a public response that would demand the thing they desire on their agenda?

Now, I wonder if the current economic crisis is a pretext for deploying RFID chipping as a solution to control the economic mayhem that will follow. Could a shadowy organization of corporate and finance power brokers called the Bilderberg group be responsible for an agenda item?

Could the economy falter to the point where the public would demand RFID chipping if it promises to bring economic prosperity and stability?

Such a group would have the resources and the power to make, if they wanted very much, for something like the economy to fail.

For me, I pray I will never take such a chip.
HeIsFaithful
I believe it's a real possibility..

lQQk how many things "they" force on us now.. you can't buy certain groceries at the sale price, without "the perks card" ..

sheesh! I'm not sure, in some states, that you can adopt a pet, without a chip in the pet..

they're using these chips on patients in hospitals.. sooo.. maybe soon it will be that you can't get health care without it??

there must be LOTS of examples of things we can and can't do.. simply because "they" (the powers who be) pass a law..

soo.. why couldn't "they" simply decide that you can't buy or sell without a chip?

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and.. because people in the world know not our Lord or His warnings.. and because are blinded and know nothing except.. I must have this.. I must have that.. no matter the cost.. or else I die.. I think people will simply buy into it *sigh*


Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.


Could the RULER of the darkness have offered the kingdoms, if it were not his to offer??

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

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yeah.. with all that said.. i think it's possible..
Stephen
Not possible and not true

This this idea is of "conspiracy" theology and is extra-biblical rant

The Bible does not in anyway describe these ideas in the visions of the Bible prophets

This conspiracy story as presented is not in the scriptures and you will not find it there

The coming tribulation period of the Lord's judgments will produce economic collapse and the beast will take advantage of the conditions

Those who follow him and take his identifying marking because they will want to identify with him will have some privilege, and those who do not will find themselves out and on their own for survival
Humble Bob
Stephen, I think there are two camps of thought. The Christian who believes in God directly manifesting His will in signs and miracles be it the pillar of smoke and fire that led the tribe of Israel through the desert for forty years. Or simply God's influences unseen directly upon man in the person's, judgement, thoughts or actions. Both are examples supported by scripture.

But I think too often many Christians look for a sign to appear as it were in the OT times. For example, I don't picture Christ Himself descending on a cloud for CNN cameras to televise world wide, then Larry King stepping forward and shoving a mike under Jesus' nose for an interview.

Rather, I believe men are being influenced to act in ways that will bring about the prophecies fore told in the book of Revelation, and if the consequence of this economic mess does cause en masse chipping I pray to Jesus I run to the hills.

So for me, if I see figs ripening on a tree I see no conspiracy about it. It is what it is and I just want to be watchful. I offer the same for any God loving, Christ receiving person to do the same.

Glenn Beck talks of Marshall Law
~Selah~
I agree with you Humble Bob. And see the problem is taking the Scriptures out of context and we all do this sometimes, we jump the gun per say or jump to our own conclusions without rubbing our eyes and cleaning the dust out of our ears and just reading exactly what the Scriptures say and here is what He say's about the mark:

Revelation 13:16
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

I underlined two very important points to pay attention to: he causeth and to receive. There's no force there it's more like a cause and effect if anything. It's more like a gentle and subtle way of getting masses of people to worship another other than the Living God Yahweh. It's like if I tricked you into something, I'd be considered the 'causer' and if you fell for it, you'd be considered the 'receiver'..you know what I mean?

Right hand is interesting if you study the meaning in Scriptures, it's an authority position for one, meaning if I continually worship Yahshua, He is my guide, my authority, in other words, He is in my right hand, He is my trust and my foundation. Forehead is another in depth study in Scriptures as well

Jeremiah 3:3
Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.

Isn't that significant! Prominence and proud, like an exalted horn coming out of the forehead, but actually it's a behaviour coming out of the mind, a refusal to humble oneself in obedience to the Word of Yahweh.

I used to be so scared about those rfid chips and stuff like that and I would even say, I'd cut off my hand if someone forced one of those in me. But then I thought...they can force a million of those things in my head and hand, is that something that would prevent Yahshua from loving me or from me worshiping Him??? No. So again, it's conspiracy, false prophecy and fear mongering, all the tactics of those who refuse to believe in the Truth. Word for Word.
whirlwind
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Oct 16 2008, 12:06 AM) *
I agree with you Humble Bob. And see the problem is taking the Scriptures out of context and we all do this sometimes, we jump the gun per say or jump to our own conclusions without rubbing our eyes and cleaning the dust out of our ears and just reading exactly what the Scriptures say and here is what He say's about the mark:

Revelation 13:16
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

I underlined two very important points to pay attention to: he causeth and to receive. There's no force there it's more like a cause and effect if anything. It's more like a gentle and subtle way of getting masses of people to worship another other than the Living God Yahweh. It's like if I tricked you into something, I'd be considered the 'causer' and if you fell for it, you'd be considered the 'receiver'..you know what I mean?

Right hand is interesting if you study the meaning in Scriptures, it's an authority position for one, meaning if I continually worship Yahshua, He is my guide, my authority, in other words, He is in my right hand, He is my trust and my foundation. Forehead is another in depth study in Scriptures as well

Jeremiah 3:3
Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.

Isn't that significant! Prominence and proud, like an exalted horn coming out of the forehead, but actually it's a behaviour coming out of the mind, a refusal to humble oneself in obedience to the Word of Yahweh.

I used to be so scared about those rfid chips and stuff like that and I would even say, I'd cut off my hand if someone forced one of those in me. But then I thought...they can force a million of those things in my head and hand, is that something that would prevent Yahshua from loving me or from me worshiping Him??? No. So again, it's conspiracy, false prophecy and fear mongering, all the tactics of those who refuse to believe in the Truth. Word for Word.



I very much agree. The great tribulation will be a time of deception. I continue to see the mark as believing in the deception but if it is a literal chip...it can't be forced. Christ tells us those that "take the mark" will experience His wrath. There has to be a decision in taking it.

Will the deception be part of offering money, shelter and food if the chip is taken? Probably. Will it be security and perhaps even patriotism. Probably. I think although those are possibilities it could be love of Christ that makes one take it. As we are speaking of the time Satan will be deceiving the world by pretending to be Christ it must be tied into worship of him....the fake. Out of love, as they will believe it is Christ, Christians will line up to willingly take the mark to show their love for him. They are those that are being misled or simply not taught. They instead look for a rapture. Perhaps that is what will be promised....once the chip is taken?


So, I don't believe it will be a forced issue but rather one of selection by the individual. But, that is something the elect must avoid. Be prepared. Know who the first one really is. Wait for the true Savior. Prepare your mind, body and spirit. It is only a five month period and individually some of us will face no more than ten days....there is no doubt we can and will endure.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but HE THAT SHALL ENDURE UNTO THE END, the same shall be saved.
Here Am I
Remember the economic stimulus check that everyone, who filed taxes, received? That was the catch... file taxes. The government knows there are too many people who are unaccounted for, or lost in the system.

With the recent bailout package, there were advocates in favor of giving some of the money to the people, not just the bankers.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/politi...us-package.html
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...imulus-package/

What if, in the new proposed stimulus package, it was decided that each family would be eligible to receive one million dollars, or more, provided they voluntarily get chipped. Wouldn't people be running to get in line?

A global total economic crash is inevitable. Now would be the time to get everyone chipped as soon as possible.

Could a true believer, whose priority is to come out from the beast system, want to take such a huge amount of money to buy "things" or "save" their house and material goods? Remember, the word "Christian", means many things to many people. All the denominational churches would be encouraging their flock to take the money. Imagine the "tithe" and offerings... !
whirlwind
QUOTE (Here Am I @ Oct 16 2008, 07:45 AM) *
Remember the economic stimulus check that everyone, who filed taxes, received? That was the catch... file taxes. The government knows there are too many people who are unaccounted for, or lost in the system.

With the recent bailout package, there were advocates in favor of giving some of the money to the people, not just the bankers.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/politi...us-package.html
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...imulus-package/

What if, in the new proposed stimulus package, it was decided that each family would be eligible to receive one million dollars, or more, provided they voluntarily get chipped. Wouldn't people be running to get in line?

A global total economic crash is inevitable. Now would be the time to get everyone chipped as soon as possible.

Could a true believer, whose priority is to come out from the beast system, want to take such a huge amount of money to buy "things" or "save" their house and material goods? Remember, the word "Christian", means many things to many people. All the denominational churches would be encouraging their flock to take the money. Imagine the "tithe" and offerings... !



You are a wise woman Annie. Very, very perceptive 1dsz5h3.gif
Here Am I
THE BILDERBERG GROUP IS NOT JUST A "THEORY" ..... IT DOES EXIST, AND IT'S PURPOSE IS TO PROMOTE GLOBAL GOVERNANCE.

Bilderberg Group: a powerful global elite,Group together with their 'sister' organisations-the Trilateral Commission (known also as the "Child of Bilderberg") and the Council on Foreign Relations plot the subversion and silent takeover of constitutional governments and world economy.

http://www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm


Many "Christians" are fast asleep. The deception will be great. WAKE-UP!

"The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying], Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us." -Psalms 2:2-3


ILLUMINATI - BILDERBERG - NEW WORLD ORDER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUq68oKqois...feature=related





Humble Bob
I'm not sure if there is anything I could do if this were to actually happen. It's like a sense of hopeless despair that man having a greatness and power over me by wealth and resources could shape and influence my lifes experiences by their own whim an agenda.

I've heard of once a party in Chicago at a sky rise hotel many years ago. The wealthy gathered on the balcony each boasting and pointing to the skyline which building was it they owned.

Why does man crave power and the subjugation of the other? I don't understand it.

This election, for example. I think interests have hedged their bets on both sides so that after the election nothing will change yet everything will change.

I've heard it that two years from now this country will not be recognized from what it is today. Is that possible?

What would you do if you saw friends and family, loved ones, even people in the church you attend cowtoe to something like a chipping program? People lining up filing out forms and being administered an RFID tag? Is it possible?

I for one would not want to fight, I for one would not want such a thing. I would pray to Christ and expect to die. (sigh)

What would you do? Could you deeply reconcile your faith in Christ and still receive this thing? I would not condemn a single person who said they would get chipped. If it were my brother who did it, I'd still love him. I just would not do it myself. I pray I would not do it.

What would you do?
researcher
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What would you do?


I wouldn't let anyone put anything in my body. That simple! smile.gif
Here Am I
QUOTE (Humble Bob @ Oct 16 2008, 07:02 PM) *
I'm not sure if there is anything I could do if this were to actually happen. It's like a sense of hopeless despair that man having a greatness and power over me by wealth and resources could shape and influence my lifes experiences by their own whim an agenda.

I've heard of once a party in Chicago at a sky rise hotel many years ago. The wealthy gathered on the balcony each boasting and pointing to the skyline which building was it they owned.

Why does man crave power and the subjugation of the other? I don't understand it.

This election, for example. I think interests have hedged their bets on both sides so that after the election nothing will change yet everything will change.

I've heard it that two years from now this country will not be recognized from what it is today. Is that possible?

What would you do if you saw friends and family, loved ones, even people in the church you attend cowtoe to something like a chipping program? People lining up filing out forms and being administered an RFID tag? Is it possible?

I for one would not want to fight, I for one would not want such a thing. I would pray to Christ and expect to die. (sigh)

What would you do? Could you deeply reconcile your faith in Christ and still receive this thing? I would not condemn a single person who said they would get chipped. If it were my brother who did it, I'd still love him. I just would not do it myself. I pray I would not do it.

What would you do?



Hi HB, smile.gif

I believe we will witness all that you expounded upon.

Yes... we will see those we love succumb to the commands of the beast. People lining up to receive a chip / mark; yes...it is a very likely scenario.

What would I do? My decision has been made a long time ago.

Nothing the beast has to offer can compare to what Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ has promised is waiting for me...an inheritance... for all eternity.!

"In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will"
-Ephesians 1:11

"Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."
-Romans 8:30

To willingly receive a mark... your submission to the authority of the beast government instead of remaining true to Jesus Christ and His Word... entails worship of an entity other than the True God.

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six." - Revelation 13:16-18

"If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God"
-Revelation 14:10

HB, you ask, "What would you do?"

I would never take any mark, spiritually or physically, that entails worship of anything other than the Alpha and Omega... the Lord Jesus Christ!

"The LORD [is] my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD [is] the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?"
-Psalm 27:1
Here Am I
QUOTE (Humble Bob @ Oct 16 2008, 07:02 PM) *
I'm not sure if there is anything I could do if this were to actually happen. It's like a sense of hopeless despair that man having a greatness and power over me by wealth and resources could shape and influence my lifes experiences by their own whim an agenda.

I've heard of once a party in Chicago at a sky rise hotel many years ago. The wealthy gathered on the balcony each boasting and pointing to the skyline which building was it they owned.

Why does man crave power and the subjugation of the other? I don't understand it.

This election, for example. I think interests have hedged their bets on both sides so that after the election nothing will change yet everything will change.

I've heard it that two years from now this country will not be recognized from what it is today. Is that possible?

What would you do if you saw friends and family, loved ones, even people in the church you attend cowtoe to something like a chipping program? People lining up filing out forms and being administered an RFID tag? Is it possible?

I for one would not want to fight, I for one would not want such a thing. I would pray to Christ and expect to die. (sigh)

What would you do? Could you deeply reconcile your faith in Christ and still receive this thing? I would not condemn a single person who said they would get chipped. If it were my brother who did it, I'd still love him. I just would not do it myself. I pray I would not do it.

What would you do?



Hi HB, smile.gif

I believe we will witness all that you expounded upon.

Yes... we will see those we love succumb to the commands of the beast. People lining up to receive a chip / mark; yes...it is a very likely scenario.

What would I do? My decision has been made a long time ago.

Nothing the beast has to offer can compare to what Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ has promised is waiting for me...an inheritance... for all eternity.!

"In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will"

-Ephesians 1:11

NOTICE: HIS OWN WILL... NOT OF OUR OWN "FREEWILL"!

"Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."
-Romans 8:30

To willingly receive a mark... your submission to the authority of the beast government instead of remaining true to Jesus Christ and His Word... entails worship of an entity other than the True God.

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six." - Revelation 13:16-18

"If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God"
-Revelation 14:10

HB, you ask, "What would you do?"

I would never take any mark, spiritually or physically, that entails worship of anything other than the Alpha and Omega... the Lord Jesus Christ!

"The LORD [is] my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD [is] the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?"
-Psalm 27:1
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