In Psalm 119, the word, "Word," is used interchangeably with "law," "commandments," "judgments," "precepts," "statutes," "testimonies."

His Word = His law.

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put My Spirit within you, and CAUSE YOU to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments and do them." Ezek 36:26,27.

When His Spirit is within us, we are empowered by His Spirit to obey His Word - His law. And that is what "walking in His Spirit" is all about. The Holy Spirit will never lead us into sin, or, "the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4.

We have abused grace:

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me." Ga 2:20.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Rom 6:1.

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Rom 3:31.

"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4.

When Moses disobeyed the Lord and struck the rock, God charged him with unbelief. Num 20:12. When the children of Israel disobeyed the Lord, they were not able to enter The Promised Land, because of unbelief. Heb 3:19. Unbelief comes out of an evil heart. Heb 3:12.

Disobedience = Unbelief
Obedience = Faith

Rom 16:26 refers to "the obedience of faith."

"By faith Abraham...obeyed." Heb 11:8.

Jesus said, "Not every one that saith, Lord, Lord shall enter (Rev 22:14) into the Kingdom of heaven, but he that DOETH the will of My Father which is in heaven.

MANY will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity." (lawlessness) Mt 7:21-23.

"And hereby we do know that we know Him, IF we keep His commandments. He that saith, I KNOW HIM and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the Truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth His Word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby we do know that we are in Him." 1 John 2:3-5.

True faith obeys His Word - His law. It is not what we say, but, what we do.

"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have RIGHT to the tree of life, AND MAY ENTER IN through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14.

Amen, herald, amen!


In His Love,
Suzanne

Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16: And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17: Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Eccl 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Amen...

"For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God." Rom 8.

Someday soon, we will all meet one another and live in His Kingdom FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2Corinthians 3:7-11
7 That old system of law etched in stone led to death, yet it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory when the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old covenant, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new covenant, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new covenant. 11 So if the old covenant, which has been set aside, was full of glory, then the new covenant, which remains forever, has far greater glory.

so let me get the gist of this thread if i agree and i give you what my bible has to say i get an amen or i can become a member of the happy slap me club were only those who know the law will be acepted in heaven and if i give you a wrong answer or share how i see this for my self i am seen as some one who only listens to preachers that tickle my ear

so hear it goes and this wil show me weather i get an amen or some one telling me i am not a true christian




Galatians 3 English standard version


10 for all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse for it is written cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law and do them


11 now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law for the righteous shall live by faith


so i guess i dont belong to this slap me amen brother happy club were i am told i am glad you fear god and not man



Romans 2 English standard version



11 for God shows no partiality

12 for all who have sinned with out the law will also perish without the law and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law


13 for it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God but the doers of the law who will be justified


14 for when gentiles who do not have the law by nature do what the law requires they are a law unto themselves even though they do not have the law


15 they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts while their conscinece also bears wittness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them

16 on that day when according to my gospel God judges the secrets of men by christ Jesus

17 But if you call your self a jew and rely on the law and boast in God

18 and know his will and approve what is excellent because you instructed from the law

19 and if you are sure that you yourself are a guide to the blind a light to those who are in darkness


20 an instructer of the foolish a teacher of children having in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth

21 you then who teach others do you not teach yourself while you preach against stealing do you steal ?

22 you who say that one must not commit adultery do you commit adultery ? you who abhor idols do you rob temples ?

23 you who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law

24 for it is written the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you



this is only my bible speaking on my behalf since i cant really say how i see this for my self or really say that when i read my bible i do not have a religous experiance with the bibles i have in my home

so what do we do with what paul was saying hear and who was paul speaking to since we only have our bibles was he speaking to sinners or was he speaking to the christians ?




even though i would like to become a member of your amen club or slap me happy club were you say amen brother amen i cant see my self becomming dogmatic or legalistic were i only give you what my bible says so i guess i wil not be going to the place most of you will be going to when god decides its time to judge the world and we all stand before him were nothing is hidden but were everything is exposed even our hidden sins we keep from those who know us



Damo

"For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God."

What exactly does that mean to you? During a 24/7 ordinary kind of a day? How would that express itself in the way you treat people, for example? And how does that express itself in the way you study the Bible and time in prayer?

This isn't necessarily just a question to the OP, by the way.

Lets go to...Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven


So now. lets take a look at what Jesus said concerning the commandments. A good example....Matthew 19: 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Sounds like the ten commandments

Lets go to...john 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Now lets go and look at some of moses writing, the commandments.

Exodus 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ---, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.

Lets go to one last place....1John 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

why should we go to matthew when we all know what jesus did ? you have your own revelation i have my own revelation ozell has his own revelation and the op has his own revelation its time people stop listening to other peoples revelations and get their own revelations study your bible not what man has to say or what the inter net has to offer god has given you a brain use it

what should be happening hear you stop teaching others and start preaching this over your self if you really believe when it comes to your bible we all have our own interpretation of what gods word means to us

has anyone on this forum really been able to agree ?



Romans 2

1 wherfore thou art without excuse o man anyone judging others for in the very matter in which thou judgest the other man thou art giving judgment against thy very self for the same things thou art practising thou art judging

i gues if a simple man who is not dogmatic or legalistic can under stand this i am sure the legalistic and dogmatic ones can under stand what romans 2 verse 1 is saying


the personal character of Gods relation towards men either in the matter of salvation or of damnation is rapidly being forgotten yet if god be god he must be the judge of all back of the whole revelation of his works and ways in his word is god himself and it is only the fool that saith in his heart no god

God created man in his own image since we are persons since we have personal feelings so has god now every creature stands in relation to god according to what god is god can not change


Romans 2

seven great principals of Gods judgment

1 Gods judgment is according to truth verse 2

2 According to accumulated guilt verse 5

3 According to works verse 6

4 with out respect of persons verse 11

5 According to performance not knowledge verse 13

6 Gods judgment reaches the secrets of the heart verse 16

7 According to reality not religous profession verse 17 - 29


i wil let you dogmatic and legalistic ones work out what i have put hear all you need to do is go over Romans 2 to see were a simple person who does not want to become dogmatic or legalistic is comming from

i dont want an amen i am just a simple man

paul was adressing the jews in romans 2 verse 17



this is my own study i am doing as i said i dont want to depend on mans revelations

what the op has put up even though he has given what his bible has to say is his own revelation to how he sees this for him self


as i said i guess simple men like my self will not be with you legalistic and dogmatic people when god decides its time to judge the world

oh wel i wil see if i have been wasting my time when god decides its time to judge us i have nothing to hide and god knows what is in my heart and he hears what i am asking him to do in my life



damo

Backup a little Brother Damo

The revelation that we just put is the revelation of Jesus

Rv 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The people on this topic quoted the word of God. Bro Tan quoted the words of Jesus.

you are off base on your above opening statement

for we


2Cor 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.



again brother you have step out of the bible into your personal thoughts. You are telling us not to obey the words of the Lord.

Jesus said

Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

now why would you tell us to disobey Jesus words? should we hide the truth and be a island to ourselves?

2Cor 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.



why should we agree to lies?

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

it would be impossible for everyone to agree Damo,

1st, all of us have different levels of understanding.

some are babes in the word and others are more learned.

2nd

we all came out of Babylon by the grace of God

we were taught the ways of Babylon

the other Jesus that Paul spoke of

2Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

we all have tasted of this deception, we all have drunk of the cup of the whore of Babylon.

Rev 17
1: And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3: So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4: And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6: And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.







show me dogmatic or legalistic in the bible?

People who use these terms have no understanding in God's word and they wish to promote they own agenda instead of the Revelation of Jesus



Its not forgotten Brother Damo

to be salvage or to be damned is a process.

how do one obtain salvation?

how is one damned?



all men is created in God's image brother, yet all men DON'T have the mind of Christ.




you should let the servant of God teach the people, the people need to know the law.

from a babe to adulthood the people need the law of God more than ever.



since you say you are s simple man why do you kick against the commandments of God.

do you have a problem with stealing, killing, do you commit adultery. do you another God other than Jesus?

there is a problem some where? A person who don't keep God's commandments is breaking God's commandments

and they teach against God's commandments. Jesus said

Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



you are wasting your time!!!

all i am seeing hear is mans own revelations ozell i am not wasting time i am doing what god has called me to do i dont sit in a church and keep a pew warm

the revelations i am seeing are from your bibles every one has a diffrent translation in their home we dont all read from the same bible ozell also why is it that those who read the kings james look down on the other bibles that are translated and sold i got told i was a hypocrite because i read the new inter national version and the new spirit filled life bible

this is why i said what i said preach this over your self before you preach it over the body or try to teach it to others

i try not to become dogmatic or legalistic ozell what i do is what i said i preach this over my self as you know god judges pastors and teachers more harshly than he does when it comes to the body

if you feel you have the gift to teach and to lead and to equip then you have to know that if any one stumbles by your very words god wil deal with you i hear christians today saying how can i be held responsible if another brother or sister stumbles i know what paul says and you should know what paul says and i know what jesus says when it comes to any one stumbling by what we do or by what we say


pharisee sadducee very simple dogmatic legalistic and i am going to add one more religous religon today has done a fair bit off damage mans traditions and mans doctrines replacing what christ taught the disciples


i dont tend to listen to mens revelations ozell


i am about to do a ministers training course ozell my fiancee is a pastor i am seeing why many like to point the finger at pastors its so easy to do this when you are just a member who comes to church every sunday its so easy to judge its so easy to point its so easy to surf the web and listen to christian web sites with out doing your own re search and going over your own bible why would one need to surf the web when you have your bible right in front of you ? i typed law and i saw many sites on the law and i typed grace and i came across many sites on the subject grace even the catholics had there own version


my focus is what god is doing in the philippines so while i am weighting for my citazen ship to be aproved i am doing what i can to get my self ready i sent my application today and this is going to prepare me for bible collage once my ctiazen ship is apporved i am going to have all the support i need and i wil be sent through the bible collage my fiancee soon to be wife went through

when i put something in this forum or respond i dont want to hear i am wasting time i am not a true christian if i dont under stand law and grace and follow sertain rules and traditions


i am not going to back of and i am not of base i want to see what the gist of this thread is i even gave you what my bible has to say concerning what the op has put at the start of his thread



why are you pasting what i left ozell i notice when some one says they dont listen to a pastor who tickle my ear you get an amen i dont either i like hearing the prophetic word preached not a wishy washy sermon

by what you are doing is by what i put from roman romans 2 verse 1 you should know this very well

and please dont say i have something to hide i know the commandments very well ozell what i dont like is this attitude i am seeing by some i read my bible but i dont have a religous experiance with the bibles i have in my home

so by you pasting what i left has shown me you see me is a flake some one who has something to hide when i said i dont have nothing to hide i said we have prodicals who have been hurt by legalistic dogmatic christians

why did jesus have to be on gaurd when it came to the pharisees and sadducees the sadducees and pharisees were trying ther hardest to trap jesus and i see this in this forum when it comes to sertain christians running from other forums i am not stupid ozell i read my bible i dont surf the web and look at what christian web sites have to say when i have my bible right in front of me and good godly men around me in my own church who i can talk to and learn from but i gues when it comes to this forum giving you a plat form i wonder do you get the chance to lead and teach in your own church do you go out in the city you live in or country town you live in and preach to the ones who need to hear what is being left in this forum ?

thes are just your own revelations how you see what jesus and paul had to say concerning the law when christ delt with this on the cross

i broke nearly all the commandments and i nearly killed a man ozell so i think i know what the commandments are saying to me ozell i did this when i was a young christian i dont do this as an adult ozell i make sure history does not repeat its self ozell in my life




damo

The, only, law that was fulfilled was the Ceremonial law. It pointed to the sacrifice of Jesus. Circumcision is now of the heart, washings are baptism, the Sabbath Feast Days were fulfilled:

Passover: Our Passover Lamb
Unleavened Bread: He was without sin
Tabernacles: He "tabernacled among us"

THE CEREMONIAL LAW:

1. Is called, "the law contained in ordinances." Eph 2:15
2. Was spoken by Moses. Lev 1:1-3
3. Was written by Moses in a book. 11 Chron 35:12
4. Was placed in the side of The Ark. Deut 31:24-26
5. Was nailed to the cross. Col 2:14
6. Was abolished by Christ. Eph 2:15

If the ceremonial law had not been fulfilled, we would, still, sacrifice animals.

THE TEN COMMANDMENT COVENANT:

1. Is called, the "royal law." Ja 2:8
2. Was spoken by God. Deut 4:12,13
3. Was written with the finger of God. Ex 31:18
4. Was placed inside The Ark. Ex 40:20; Heb 9:4
5. Is to "stand forever and ever." Ps 111:7,8
6. Was not destroyed by Christ. Mt 5:17,18.

The Ten Commandment Covenant deals with our character and is used by the Holy Spirit in our on-going process of sanctification.

Even in heaven, the Lord makes quite a statement about His Covenant:

"And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple The Ark of His Testament: and there were LIGHTNINGS, and VOICES, and THUNDERINGS, and AN EARTHQUAKE, and GREAT HAIL." Rev 11:19

I am amazed the way covenant blenders ignore some of the scriptures.

What law is Paul referring to here????????


2Corithians 3:7-18
7 That old system of law etched in stone led to death, yet it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory when the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old covenant, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new covenant, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new covenant. 11 So if the old covenant, which has been set aside, was full of glory, then the new covenant, which remains forever, has far greater glory.
12 Since this new covenant gives us such confidence, we can be very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory fading away. 14 But the people’s minds were hardened, and even to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, a veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. 15 Yes, even today when they read Moses’ writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand.
16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, then the veil is taken away. 17 Now, the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, he gives freedom. 18 And all of us have had that veil removed so that we can be mirrors that brightly reflect* the glory of the Lord. And as the Spirit of the Lord works within us, we become more and more like him and reflect his glory even more.

How about this one?

Colossians 1:15-23
15 Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before God made anything at all and is supreme over all creation.* 16 Christ is the one through whom God created everything in heaven and earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see—kings, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities. Everything has been created through him and for him. 17 He existed before everything else began, and he holds all creation together.
18 Christ is the head of the church, which is his body. He is the first of all who will rise from the dead,* so he is first in everything. 19 For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ, 20 and by him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of his blood on the cross. 21 This includes you who were once so far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions, 22 yet now he has brought you back as his friends. He has done this through his death on the cross in his own human body. As a result, he has brought you into the very presence of God, and you are holy and blameless as you stand before him without a single fault. 23 But you must continue to believe this truth and stand in it firmly. Don’t drift away from the assurance you received when you heard the Good News. The Good News has been preached all over the world, and I, Paul, have been appointed by God to proclaim it.

this is what i am trying to work out and this is why i am involved in this thread i am very protective over my fiancee who is a filapino pastor she is soon going to be my wife and when my citazen ship is aproved for me to live in the philippines i will not be hear communicating to you guys i wil be doing what my fiancee does and the pastors under her do

while i am in australia and while i am working and soon doing a ministers training course i have the free time to communicate with you guys i wil be giving this computer away to some one who needs a computer we have a computer in our office and we are conected to the inter net but we dont sit on the computer all day and come to forums like this and brag and judge other brothers and sisters in the lord seeing weather they are true christians seeing weather they really are mature and if they under stand what law is what grace is what forgivness is


we al read from diffrent translations you might be reading from the kings james i read from the New international version and the new spirit filled life bible

but i am seeing especialy when it comes to forums as this especialy with the dogmatic and legalistic christians if you quote bible verses only you are given an amen


what should be done is this if you judge and if you feel you have that god given right to judge with out going over romans 2 and going over verse 1 were you preach this over your self first but i am seeing christians cant do this

its so easy to judge pastors these days so are we to do exactly what was being done when paul was alive

if i am right paul had a good go at peter for the way he was behaving and if i am correct their was an argument over circumcision



Romans 2 English standard version

2 we know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things


3 Do you suppose o man you who judge those who pracitice such things and yet do them yourself that you will escape the judgment of God

this i am putting hear for those who feel that they have the right to judge pastors



25 for circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law but if you break the law your circumcision becomes uncercumcision

26 so if a man who is uncercumcised keeps the precepts of the law will not his uncercumcision be regarded as circumcision ?

27 then he who is physically uncercumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written code and circumcision but break the law


28 for no one is a jew who is merely one outwardly nor is circumcision outward and physical


29 But a jew is one inwardly and circmcision is a matter of the heart by the spirit not by the letter his praise is not from man but from God

all i see hear is man praising his bible and when he gives his revelation to how he sees what jesus is saying and how he sees what paul is saying and gives you scripture he gets an amen


hay while i am hear i will say how i see this for my self i will not tap any one on the shoulder or will i have some one who is dogmatic and legalistic telling me i am not a true christian because i choose to be a simple man and i decide not to be dogmatic and legalistic


all i see is what your translation you read from is saying to you you have your own revelation if you say these are jesus words these are gods words then why do you say to others who see what you see for your self and they try to say how they see this for them selves you tell that brother you better stop listening to your pastor who is just tickling your ear ?


this forum gives you a chance to share to debate but i am starting to wonder if you really use the gifts god has given you and reach out to the ones who yet need to hear the gospel ?

i feel alive when i am with the inmates in bacolod then i do on this forum we have 32 prisoners in our bible study group and i am looking forward to catching up with these brothers i am going to be away from this forum for a month i take off on the 1st of dec i have never forgoten were i have come from or do i take what god has done in my life for granted as at any given moment i could be with him we dont know when our time is going to be up or how we wil go so i am making sure i dont waste my time keeping a pew warm and only getting a religous experiance from the bible i read from


damo

yes if you broke one of the commandments you are subject to death. even eternal death.

Jesus said

Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

what is least in the kingdom of God?

a man came to Jesus and said

Mt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life

Jesus said without hesitation without any thought

17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Jesus said to enter into eternal life keep the commandments

if you don't keep the commandments what life will you enter into.

there is another life outside of the kingdom of God.

it's called the lake of fire.

this is also a life people can enter into

wow, another name for the saints of God who obey Jesus voice by keeping the commandments of God




the commandments!!!!

Peter said this about those who THINK they know or understand Paul's writings.

2Pt 3:16
15: And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17: Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.




what do this one have to do with the Law?

enlighten me!!!

Sure NP verse 22 because of what Jesus did on the cross we are all holy, blameless and without a single fault before God. Our acceptance and condition has absolutely nothing to do with our obedience or disobedience. This is very basic, new covenant 101.

If anyone thinks, that, they can bow down and worship other gods, take His name in vain, profane His holy day, dishonor parents, murder, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, covet and walk with a holy God, they are mistaken.

The Ten Commandments are God's eternal Covenant with man. Deut 4:13; 2 Chron 6:11; Ps 111:7,8. God wrote this Covenant with His own finger, in tablets of stone. It was the only Covenant inside The Ark. The people said, that, they could keep this Covenant in their own strength, but failed. Ex 24:7. The New Covenant is God engraving this Covenant in our hearts and minds. Jer 31:31-34; Heb 8:10. It is the same Covenant.

"For he is not a Jew, who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Rom 2:28,29.

"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to thy seeds as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed which is Christ." Ga 3:16.

"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Ga 3:29.

"Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." Ga 3:7.

If we belong to Christ, we are Abraham's seed.

Jesus took the commandments to the heart of man. That is why He said, that, if a man looks upon a woman to lust, he has, already, committed adultery with her in his heart. Or, if we are angry with our brother, without cause, we are guilty of murder.

When His Spirit dwells within us, He empowers us to obey His Word - His law. And that is what "walking in His Spirit" is all about. The Holy Spirit will never lead us into sin, or, "the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4.

The Lord calls the Catholic/Protestant religious system, "The Mother of harlots." Rev 17. He charges her with sin and iniquity:

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of HER PLAGUES (interesting). For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities." (lawlessness) Rev 18:4,5.

Our allegiance must be to God's Word, and not to any denomination.

Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." John 10:27.

Have you heard of St. Malachy's prophecy, posted on the web by the Catholic Church? He visited Rome in 1139 and had a vision of all the popes until the time of the end. He gave details about many of them. He said, that, the last pope would "reign amidst many tribulations," and then "the dreadful judge would come and destroy the city." Jesus is coming back as The Judge.

If this vision came from God, there will be one more pope.

Well Harold scripture disagrees with you. It seems you fail to grasp an understanding of what the term "new" means.

Hebrews 8:1-13

1 Here is the main point: Our High Priest sat down in the place of highest honor in heaven, at God’s right hand. 2 There he ministers in the sacred tent, the true place of worship that was built by the Lord and not by human hands.
3 And since every high priest is required to offer gifts and sacrifices, our High Priest must make an offering, too. 4 If he were here on earth, he would not even be a priest, since there already are priests who offer the gifts required by the law of Moses. 5 They serve in a place of worship that is only a copy, a shadow of the real one in heaven. For when Moses was getting ready to build the Tabernacle, God gave him this warning: “Be sure that you make everything according to the design I have shown you here on the mountain.”* 6 But our High Priest has been given a ministry that is far superior to the ministry of those who serve under the old laws, for he is the one who guarantees for us a better covenant with God, based on better promises.
7 If the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no need for a second covenant to replace it. 8 But God himself found fault with the old one when he said:
“The day will come, says the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel and Judah.
9  This covenant will not be like the one
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
and led them out of the land of Egypt.
They did not remain faithful to my covenant,
so I turned my back on them, says the Lord.
10  But this is the new covenant I will make
with the people of Israel on that day, says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their minds
so they will understand them,
and I will write them on their hearts
so they will obey them.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11  And they will not need to teach their neighbors,
nor will they need to teach their family,
saying, ‘You should know the Lord.’
For everyone, from the least to the greatest,
will already know me.
12  And I will forgive their wrongdoings,
and I will never again remember their sins.”*
13 When God speaks of a new covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and ready to be put aside.

should not paul have been put to death since he broke one of the commandments murder ? should he have been kiled on the spot when he encountered our lord jesus on the road to damascus


what you and ozell have left hear contradicts its self

hay should i be punished as i stated to ozell i broke all the commandments and nearly killed a drug dealer

all i am seeing hear is what your bible has to say and how you see this for your self herald and its the same responce to ozell thes are your own revelations to how you see this for your self



do you and ozell understand what paul had to say in his epistles ? since he was an old testament preacher

should not paul have been punished as you have said by your responce you left to jiggfly ? instead of being forgiven for what he did ? was jesus wasting his time when he convicted paul ? when he said to ananias i will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name

so do we have to keep the old traditions alive like sacrifice of animals for the remission of sins and so on do you expect christians to keep these old traditions alive with out looking to what jesus did on the cross

do i have to work for my salvation since i broke all the commandments do i have to prove to you and ozell that i know what you two are giving us to look at ? do i have to prove that i am obeying all the commandments since i am a prodical who has come back ?

do i need to buy some cows and some pigs and what ever animal was used back in those days ?


what about those who worship their bibles what happens to the folk who have religous experiances with their bibles instead of seeking a real relationship with jesus or do we have to have jewish blood running threw our vains ?

the jews did not like what jesus had to say they asked for a criminal to be set free and for jesus to be put in his spot


he came for the jews and the jews rejected him and still to this day the jews reject what the word has to say show me one jew that keeps the old laws alive ? show me one jew that does what jesus said to the disciples in matthew 28


all i see hear is what paul would have encountered one says i follow paul while another says i follow jesus one says i follow all the laws and if a brother dares speak up or give some insight he is seen as some one who is disobediant


well you two since you are not agreeing with what has been left by me or jiggyfly should not paul have been punished ? instead of being forgiven ?

am i wasting my time communicating to you herald and to you ozell since i said i broke all the commandments and i broke the main one though shall not murder am i seen as a disobediant christian when i said i dont want to be dogmatic or lagalistic i would rather be a simple man keep it simple stupid this is what my pastor use to say



preach what you leave hear to your self our allegiance should be to gods word and not to any denomination

well herald your alligence then should be to god and not to the country you live in herald you are an american citazen are you not or what ever country you belong to have you not pledged what many have pledged ?

my alligence is to god first my wife second and my country i live in third


what you have left herald contradicts its self as scripture disagrees with you herald if you dare tell me you are obediant i can easly prove you wrong herald just go over by what you have left for us to respond to and you wil see were i am comming from for some one to say they understand what paul has to say you must have some special insight


James 2 10 - 12



for whoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point he is guilty of all for he said do not commit adultery said also do not kill now if you commit no adultery yet if you kill you are become a transgressor of the law so speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty






Damo

the curse and the book of the law


Galatians 3 - 13 informs us that jesus redeemed us from the curse of the law that is everything that was written in the book of the law so was the ten commandment law ?


Galatians 3 - 10 for all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse for it is written cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law and do them


so are we who are being saved to live under the curse or walk in the new found freedom we have in christ ? am i to live under a curse or trust in his word and spek what i read over my life ?



hear is what i have been looking at the book of Galatians has been a stumbling block for many christians when it comes to understanding the truth about the eternal nature of the ten commandments many have interpreted parts of Galatians as meaning an end to the ten commandments or the fourth commandment the sabbath the Galatians had wondered from the truth that paul had first taught them in favor of listening to some judaizing teachers from jerusalem who insisted that they should stil be observing all the rights of jewish religon such as the ceremonial law and circumcision the teachers taught that paul was inferior to the other Apostles where they had come from and insisted that the law of moses was still binding and was necessary for justification this is were most of the confusion begins


now hear is my question to ozell and herald this will show me by what i have left hear are you two doing what i have pointed out hear to what was happening concerning the Galatians and how they wondered away from the truth are you two Judaizing teachers ?

as what i am seeing is what i have pointed out by what you and ozell have been leaving us to look at i notice you two are pushing your views on us that respond with out hearing us out



damo

Jiggyfly,

Are you saying, that, you can bow down and worship other gods, take His name in vain, profane His holy day, murder, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, covet and walk in His Spirit? If you think, that, you can do these things, you are a transgressor of His law.

Jesus prophesied, that, the Sabbath would be kept during The Great Tribulation...and we are not there, yet. Mt 24:20.

Isaiah prophesied that God's people will keep the Sabbath in His Kingdom:

"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before Me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith the Lord." Isa 66:22,23 - commandment #4.

Jesus said, that, if a man looks upon a woman to lust, he has, already, commited adultery in his heart. If we are angry with our brother, without cause we are guilty of murder - commandments #6 and #7.

If we are not to keep His commandments, then why are there so many Scriptures in the New Testament that refer to them: Mt 5:19;15:9;19:17;22:40;Mr 7:7;10:19;12:29; Lu 1:6;18:20;John 14:15,21;15:10;1 Co 7:19;14:37;1 Th 4:2;1 Jo 2:3,4;3:22,24:5:2,3,6:2 Jo 6;Rev 12:17;!4:12;22:14.

His church keeps His commandments: "And the Dragon was wroth with the woman and went to male war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev 12:17.

His saints keep His commandments: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Rev 14:12.

Do you remember how holy The Ark was? Some who touched it, died on the spot. The Spirit of the Lord dwelt upon The Ark. There was, only, one law in The Ark - The Ten Commandment Covenant.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin ("the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4) live any longer therein?" Rom 6:1.

"He that committeth sin is of the Devil; for the Devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the Devil.

Jesus died on the cross to set us free from sin...Are you born again?

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." 1 John 3.

When He gives us a new heart, a new spirit and puts His Spirit within us, we are new creatures. The new creature does not sin. It is when we fall back to the old man that we commit sin. Those who walk in His Spirit do not sin.

Paul told Timothy, "I thank God, whom I serve with pure conscience..." 2 Tim 1:3.

I serve God with a pure conscience. If I sin, He convicts me, I repent (which means "change") and am restored to walk with Him in His Holy Spirit.

So, what laws does He write in our hearts and minds?

The Law is kept when one LOVES their Maker! It is the Godheads Eternal Covenant & Eternal Gospel! Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20. It is the very 'Epistle' (Letter) of Christ's Moral Make/up! 2 Cor. 3:3)

It is not a question of does the Godhead love Their creation, but do the ones that They created love Them to the Eternal degree that sin will never arise again a 'second time?' Nah. 1:9 This LAST TESTING will tell all, throughout eternity, the End verdict of sin. James 1:15 The Mark of the Beast will violate the Godheads LOVING principle.

Just some thought of what True Agape Love is! It is not only feeling, or excitement, and emotion, but True Love is a 'Principle'! [/size] Exod. 31:[12] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[13] Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily MY Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. (it does not take much looking around today, to see that most are hanging out the wrong 'Sign' or 'their desired Mark' in opposition to God, as did 'rejected' Cain in Gen. 4:7)
[14] Ye shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. (see Matt. 18:17-18 & compare Lev. 17:8-9 on the day of Atonement)

[15] Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

(and if that is the mature ending, you can rest assured that this is to be ones FINAL FATE! James 1:15)

[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

[17] It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

[18] And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

(Again, read the ten & you will find the First four is our duty to God alone in Worship, and the last six are seen as our duty to our fellow mankind.)[/color] Matt. 22:[32] I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

[33] And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine. (compare 2 John 1:9-11)

[34] But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.

[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (This is the first four!)
[38] This is the first and great commandment

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Just one thought of these ten.. two tables of stone. Just try thinking of heaven and earth with this Everlasting Covenant (Heb. 13:20) as an Eternal Covenant heavy duty chain. With these ten links that heaven has holding earth in space. If any one link is broken, what happens to earth?? Now notice the Inspiration that James pens in James 2:
[8] If ye fulfil the Royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. (compare 1 John 3:4 for what sin is)

[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

[12] So speak ye, and [so do], as they that [shall be judged] by the [law of liberty.]

And what law forbids killing & adultery? Also take note of Eccl. 12:[13] Let us hear the [conclusion of the whole matter]: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
[14] For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. [size="3"]If any are sincere, & are 'Led' (Rom. 8:14) by the Holy Ghost, it does not take long to see who it is who will be Saved or Lost at the present time, after reading the satanic posts of today! See Eccl. 3:14 & Rev. 22:18-19 which tells the Universe in the Heavenly Record Books that if the name was even ever recorded, that it will be removed!! [color="#000000"]---Elijah[/font][font="Arial"]

Amen...Jesus said, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments." John 14:15.

"He that hath My commandments and keepeth them, HE IT IS THAT LOVETH ME: and he that loveth me SHALL BE LOVED OF MY FATHER, AND I WILL LOVE HIM, and will manifest Myself to him." John 14:21.

"By this we know that we love the children of God (Greatest Commandment #2), when we love God (#1) and keep His commandments. FOR THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: AND HIS COMMANDMENTS ARE NOT GRIEVOUS." 1 John 5:2,3.

"And this is love that we walk after His commandments." 2 John 6.

If we love Him, we will obey His commandments.

Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. (1John 2:7)

And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. (2John 1:5, 6)

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. (Romans 13:8-10)

For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. ( Romans 10:3)

i would like to leav some thing else i am looking at concerning this topic



the law spoken of all through the book of Galatians is the law of moses which is also called the book of the law the mosiac law and the book of the covenant in chapter 2 paul had to instruct the Galatians again that they are not saved by keeping the law of moses in Galatians 2 and in Galatians 3 paul exhorts that they are placing them selves back under the curse of the law mosiac law by trying to observe everything that is written in the book of the law in Galatians 4 paul asks them why do you desire again to be in bondage by observing the days months and years feasts days monthly new moon festivals yearly ceremonial sabbaths which were all part of the ceremonial law or what was written in the book if the law in Galatians 5 paul says that they are being entangled with a yoke of bondage by keeping circumcision these were all rites of the jewish religon that were written in the book of the law and all ended at the cross

the book if the law is also called the book of ordinances and paul found him self having to write to the colossians telling them the same thing in that these days months and yearly festivals had ended why was paul again reaching out to the ones who were being bewitched paul saw that they were lied to and he had to again teach them

so are you two expecting born again christians to make the same mistakes the Galatians had and and the colossians had made was paul by what i put hear and what i have been looking at kicking god in the face when he had to say to the Galatians and colossians why would you want to be under a curse again ?




Colossians 2 verses 14 to 16


14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands this he set aside nailing it to the cross

15 he disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame by triumphing over them

16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon sabbath


we are to obey what christ has to say and we are to do as he taught his disciples but we are not to listen to false teachers or anyone who comes in christs name preaching a gospel that is only going to lead you astray and put a yoke of bondage over you christ delt with this on the cros you have the holy spirit he wil guide you if you trust him and not listen to what disgruntled christians have to say you wil be fine but if you want to listen to what a disgruntled christian has to say and believe everything he has to say then you are a fool to believe that these people hear from god look over this your self use the brain god has given you and do your own digging on what is being discussed hear these two have contradicted them selves you just have to look at what is being left reader be warned


al i see hear is you two guys passing judgment and not really hearing what is being said ozell said if you broke any of the 10 commandments you would be punished wel paul did why was he not punished he was forgiven was he not for what he did to the church ?




Galatians 2

4 yet because of false brothers secretly brought in who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in christ jesus so that they might bring us into slavery

5 to them we did not yeild into submission even for a moment so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you

so who is the gospel preserved for is it preserved for those who obey the mosiac law and practise everything written in the book or is it also for us who seek christ who are born again who believe that we have been forgiven and do not have to go back to that yoke of bondage ?




Damo

i would like for ozell or herald to respond to this




the commandments say thouh shalt not kill or thou shalt not worship idols did these old testament laws bring us to christ ?

or was it the pass over that brought us to christ ? was this not taught to the jews passover taught Israel that one day the true lamb of God would come and take away the sins of the world and then passover would be gone nailed to the cross


also i would like you to respond to this since you both have not been open or giving us any guidance



After moses read from the Book of the law to the Israelits in the final chapters of Deuteronomy he explained that if they obeyed everything written in the Book of the law that they would receive Gods blessings but if they disobeyed they would receive Gods curses punishment



i have been leaving you what i have gone over and what i have been observing i am know going to read up on Judaizing teachers and the mosiac law just to get a clear understanding to how the people in Galatians and the people in Colossians were able to be tricked like that paul was able to wittness first hand what damage a Judaizing teacher can do to a young christian you both say you know paul and you know very well what he had to say in his epistles he wrote but what i am seeing hear is so simple you both are contradicting your selves




Galatians 3 - 23

23 But before faith Jesus came we were kept under the law Mosiac law shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed

24 Wherefore the law mosiac law was our school master to bring us unto christ that we might be justified by faith

25 But after that faith Jesus is come we are no longer under a schoolmaster


hear is the proper contex to what i have left hear since i feel this will get a few up set i put the above for the simple people like my self with out getting legalistic or dogmatic i obey the ten commandments know but when i was back sliding i did not obey the ten commandments



Galatians 3 English standard version

23 Now before faith came we were held captive under the law imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed

24 So then the law was our Gaurdian until christ came in order that we might be justified by faith

25 But now that faith has come we are no longer under a gaurdian


tell me ozell or Herald do jews believe what i have left was it not taught to the jews ozell and Herald that one day the true lamb would come and take away the sins of the world and then the passover would be gone nailed to the cross and no longer there schoolmaster and the other feasts with their diffrent meanings would no longer be there schoolmaster

hear is were you have contradicted your self christ has come christ has delt with this i can see why the people of Galatians and Colossians were be witched


do we obey moses or jesus or a Judaizing teacher who wants us to be under a yoke of bondage or under a curse ? which laws are none jewish christians to obey do we obey the mosiac law which was moses law do we do as the jews were told other wise we wil be punished or cursed or do we do as jesus is saying ?




Damo

Are you telling me that Paul is talking about Gods 10 Commandments being a curse?? Psalm 19:7-14.
If so, you best check out Gal. 2:11-13 to see what 'the subject' being addressed was about? 'of the circumcism'! Then 16-18 was still pointing to this same topic!

And if that is not clear, read verse 11 for where Paul called Peter down? The reference is seen in Acts 5:1-2 & has absolutely NOTHING to do with God Royal Law or ten commandments written in stone!

Notice the verse:
"And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and said,] Except ye 'be circumcised' after the MANNER OF MOSES, [YE CANNOT BE SAVED]." Can you even suggest that, that was found in the 10 Commandments of God???

But not only was this the Subject, but verse 5 also includes 'other's than just Peter' as well, and take notice that it C-L-E-A-R-L-Y
states in this 'inspired' verse.. COMMAND them to keep 'THE LAW OF Moses'!

"But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them [AND] to command them to keep the [Law of Moses]."

It goes on to say that the apostles and the elders came together to consider this matter! What matter was that? READ IT AGAIN until you get it right! (no offence meant!) But you, my friends seem to be just as dense as they? You remind me of Peter's Vision of Acts 10, with the reams & reams of PhD stuff penned! And it seems that most of these come out with tainted understanding.

Now: What were the Laws of Moses? Paul stated that:

'But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are [found sinners], is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For [if I build the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor].'
[This verse] tells of the Universal Covenant 10 commandment law. For where 'NO LAW IS, THERE IS NO TRANSGRESSION. (Rom. 4:15) How could Paul say we could be 'found sinners' if there were [now], no law?

OK: Back in Deut. 31 were see Moses with a LAW contained in a book. Called the [Book of the Law!] We also see it placed in the side of the Ark of God! Not inside of the Ark of God, where His 10 Commandments Royal Universal Covenant was & IS LOCATED!!

It was the law of Moses that was nailed to the Cross! [ALL of the CEREMONIAL LAWS] that pointed to Christ's death on the Cross. These were all added because of sin. Gal. 3:19. What were these law?? God does not leave us ignorant if we will search as He commanded. (2 Tim. 3:16-*Matt. 4:4-Matt. 28:20)

Paul also includes Col. 2:9-20 & Eph. 2:12-15 with these Laws of 'ordinances' and 'holy day' and 'the new moons, and the S