Hiya Folks
I was reading all the Jesuit stuff on here and thinking that it was all kind of freaky, then I started thinking and realised that my Mum had said that my Dad was raised by Jesuits.... so I asked her this week and she confirmed this.
Now Dad is a lapsed Catholic and every time (over the past 11 years I have been a believer) I have managed to chat with him about the Lord, he seems like he is on the cusp of accepting the Lord, then he backs right off.
A few things stand out in my mind -
A weird thing which happened with my Dad was about 2 and a half years ago. I woke in the middle of the night, in tears, I was upset for Dad and I begged the Lord to spare his life. I went back to sleep, thinking my pregnancy hormones were playing havoc. A couple of days later, my mum said that he had had a stroke. I told her about my night prayer and it turns out that it was about the same time as he had his stroke. She had avoided calling when it happened as she didn't want to worry me as my baby was due in a month or so. So the Lord spared his life?
When I was holidaying with my newborn daughter, Dad had an epileptic fit - it was his first and came about a year after a stroke. So I thought it was another stroke- he fell on the floor with a thump so as I put him in the recovery position, I prayed over him in tongues... what shocked me was that he said "shut up!". More recently I mentioned this and he was a bit suprised and doesn't recall that.
Another thing which DH has said is that once when dad was drunk (he's a real drinker!) he looked like he was miserable and bowing down to something / communicating with an unseen entity . Strange eh? We have mentioned this to him and he looked a bit shocked but that it all.
Now mum says that the Jesuits were strict, but she doesn't know much about the background so she probably thinks that they are Christian and that I am being over the top in saying that they are "very very dodgy".
Dad has a lot of mental blocks about Catholicism. He thinks that if he were to believe, it would be as a Catholic, but he is still an atheist. He is an intelligent man but finds it hard to follow some of the logic when he asks us about religion.

I feel like I am piecing together a jigsaw puzzle about Dad. Confirming his Jesuit upbringing in a Catholic boys school has made me wonder if he has been indoctrinated and that is why he has been so difficult to reach. It is like he wants to believe but something is stopping him.
Thanks for reading thus far.... what do you guys think? Is there any hope or is it just wishful thinking? I wish he would believe.

intresting on my mums side they were roman catholic and on my dads side orthadox i grew up in yugoslavia and my mums parents were very strong in their faith i often was taken to the catholic service my grand parents went to every sunday

i found out by my grandfather that my grandmother would constantly pray for me that blew me away


i am guiding a youth pastor in the philippines he is married to a catholic and the poor guy is stuck in a rut


his parents and his wife want him to give up what he is doing for the lord but he has not given up he has hie eyes set on god and has been praying for his wife and his parents he cant pray at home he has to go to the church office and just spend the time alone he needs with god

i met with this brother threw a christian web site i will be catching up with this brother when i am in the philippines in dec as my wedding is on the 15th of dec 2008 my fiancee is a filapino pastor and all our members are x catholics we have 5 churches planted around bacolod our churches are 4th square churches very charasmatic penticostal


if you can cover this brother in your prayer his name is seann he has given his wife and parents over to god at times he finds it hard and has to say to his wife he loves her she is jealous he cant pray with her he cant tell her what the lord is doing in his life i told him not to divorce her as i said god can do the impossible


this is what i am seeing my self when i talk to born again christians what amazes me is how many say they had some connection to the catholic church

hear were i live we have x catholics reaching out to the ones who they know these catholics dont belong to their parishes but they pray over the people they know


God bless from damo

Hi,

Interesting story about your dad. Indoctrination through fear-based mind control, however subtle and undetected as it may be, is the Jesuit goal in Catholic schools.

I had a similar experience with man dropping to the floor with a seizure many years ago. When I began to pray for him, he stood up in a stupor coming toward me and said in a low demonic voice, "I'll kill you". He then fell back down. Some other people helped lift him up in a chair. He recovered within about five minutes, and remembered nothing.

In his book FIFTY YEARS IN THE CHURCH OF ROME, former catholic priest Charles Chiniquy had this to say about the Jesuits: "The Jesuits are a military organization, not a religious order. Their chief is the general of an army, not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this organization is power. Power in the most despotic exercise. Absolute power, universal power, power to control the World by the volition (will) of a single man. Jesuitism is the most absolute of despotisms (dictatorship); and at the same time, the greatest and the most enormous of abuses." (The most monstrous hurt, injury and damage) "The general of the jesuits insists on being master, sovereign over the sovereign. Wherever the jesuits are admitted they will be masters, cost what it may. Their society is by nature dictatorial, and therefore it is the irreconcilable enemy of all constituted authority. Every act, every crime, however atrocious, is a meritorious work, if committed for the interest of the society of the jesuits, or by the order of its general." page 174, in the book, FIFTY YEARS IN THE CHURCH OF ROME, by Charles Chiniquy.
The life story of Charles Chiniquy, who was a priest in the Roman Catholic Church for 25 years.

You can read this excellent book online at this website:

http://www.biblebelievers.com/chiniquy/

There is a demonic spirit at work around your dad. In American society no one talks about demons and they operate with no opposition. We all have the authority to cast out and bind demons but it is not taught. Yet Jesus commanded us to go out and preach the word, heal the sick and cast out demons. Being Native American my people are very aware of the powers of evil but I don't talk to most Christians because they are so naive about spirits! The church is sleeping!!
Abba we come in the name of Jesus and we bind that spirit that is hindering Shine4Him's father, we ask that the Holy Spirit chase out the darkness and shine forth Your love, we plead the blood of Jesus over him. We ask for his salvation in the most precious name of Jesus.
At the time that spirit told you to shut up you needed to tell it to shut up and leave in the name of Jesus and continue to speak in tongues. Demons have to obey!! Jesus gave us His authority.
My mother, grandmother and great-grandmother were also was taken away from family and raised in a catholic boarding school. Alot was done that was not of the Lord!!

YES! You are correct.

I am agreeing with you in prayer that God would have mercy on his soul.

And I also agree with Annie that the Roman Catholic Church does have a lot of evil in it as well, so that there should be prayer said on his behalf so that he gets loosed from this system. Pray a lot. And of course, I will be praying along with you.

First of all, stand on His promise of "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved, and your household."

God wants to save your family!

In all my intercessions for unbelievers, I found over the years that for each, there is usually a particular sin/mindset/stronghold that stands between them and God. Once that is broken, the rest is gravy, and I can stop interceding and move on to something else.

And that could be anything, really. And it's different for each person. A stronghold is anything that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and convinces the person why they can't and shouldn't trust Jesus.

For many, it's abandonment, and so they refuse to trust the heavenly Father because they think He's going to treat them the way people have treated them. For others it might be abuse. Remember, our earliest impressions of the Father are formed by our parents/parental figures. Which is why it's a parent's highest responsibility to prepare their children for a relationship with God. So the fact that your dad is struggling to believe, may not even have anything to do with the Jesuits at all, so don't be so quick to blame his "religious" affiliation, which may or may not actually have anything to do with things. It's the heart that matters, and the heart that believes to salvation, not our outward allegiance to something. So it may be a religious spirit at work here, it may not. But God will tell you if you ask.

Binding the strongman is always a good prayer strategy. Also, know that God is more interested in your dad's salvation than you are. He does not wish that any should perish. When you stand for people in prayer for their salvation, God WILL back you up! It's a prayer He is delighted to answer! But He has to snatch them out of the grips of their own thinking, and of the spiritual stronghold that blinds them to His truth. Don't give up! Pray for your dad! You and God are the majority!

Thanks so much for your replies, I have been sick so haven't been online that much, but I do appreciate the replies.
My Dad most definately isn't saved. I don't mean to come across as being totally anti-catholic, but he was brought up by a very strict, harsh sect.
I am continuing to pray, thanks to those who have stood with me, it means a lot.... (((hugs)))