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I received this and discern that it is worthy to pass on and share but I don't know about it being September but I do believe it is very soon. It would be wise to believe it will be Sept in order to be prepared. Better early than late. Please read and pray and fast. Thanks.

http://www.leap2020.eu/GEAB-N-22-is-availa...nomy_a1298.html
We have some serious news to share with you and we have the proof for that news, which we will also share with you. You may forward this letter on and share it with friends, but we have just one request. Please recopy this letter and don't forward it on with our name and contact information because what we are going to share with you is classified information. (We need to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves, according to the Bible, and we need to protect each other.) The Bible says that God will do nothing without first letting His servants know (Amos 3:7). We believe that God is allowing this information to be leaked out so that His people can prepare. Last week I spoke with a friend who told me that due to the shaky economy we are going into a major depression, the stock market is going to crash, the banks are going to close for 3-5 months, and when the banks re-open our money will be gone as the FDIC will not be able to cover it all. When people find out they have lost their money there is going to be major civil unrest and so martial law will be declared. According to the law put into effect just last year, the President has the power to declare martial law for any emergency that he feels is a threat to the nation, and if this happens close to election time, the election will be canceled or postponed and the current president will stay in power. The Constitution will also be suspended. This is all going to happen this September or shortly thereafter. I asked her where she got this information as I wanted to make sure this information is accurate before I send it out to all of you. She got it from a godly Christian physician, so I contacted him and asked him for his source. He told me that he had three sources. 1) A patient of his, who had over 1 million in the bank, just recently took all of his money out of the bank over several weeks due to being told by his banker, who had just retired, that the banks are going to close and everyone will lose their money, just like in the 1930's. 2) This physician decided this needed to be shared, so he wrote a newsletter and shared it. One of his patients, who is a builder, received this newsletter, and shared it with the homeowner of the house he was constructing, who happened to be a state policeman. This man read this newsletter in a very surprised manner and said, "Where did you get this information? You are not supposed to have this, this is classified material." After some thought he said, "If you follow all the recommendations written here, you will 'maybe' survive, since there is major trouble coming soon. I know all about this, because our Captain has informed us about this coming event." 3) The wife of a soldier currently serving in Iraq was called by their base commander and told to go to a certain place at the base where she was given 100 pound sacks of rice, beans, and enough food for several months. She told them that she could not carry that much and did not need that much. The Captain replied, "You will need this and don't tell the civilians about this. The Army always takes care of its own." 4) This additional source does not come from this physician but from an SDA pastor who is stating that Pentagon wives are being told that soon something big is going to happen and when it does, they will only have 2 hours to get out of the cities as the cities are going to be shut down and no one will be able to get in or out. To listen to this pastor's sermon stating this, go to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WK7LXVfpFE. (Please watch this! It's only 10 minutes!) This is why you need to get out of the major cities now, but if you absolutely can't, at least have your car packed with what you need so that when this major something happens, that you too can flee fast as you won't have time to pack. 5) This is another source in addition to this physician. Enclosed as an attachment is a financial newsletter from Europe, GEAB, that tells us the same. (Rowena, here--I did not receive this attachment!)
Here is what this physician said to do to prepare. (We have added some additional advice for preparation also.)

1) Obtain the needed spiritual preparation. The only way we will survive this is if we have God's protection, and the only way to have God's protection is to make sure that your lives are right with God. Plead with Him to show you what you need to change in your life. Make everything right in your life with God and man. Spend time with God daily in prayer and Bible study. Ask Him to show you what to do to be ready. Claim His promises. Here's some. "For in the time of trouble He shall hide me in His pavilion; in the secret of His tabernacle shall He hide me; He shall set me up upon a rock." Psalm 27:5 More promises are in the entire chapters of Psalm 34 and Psalm 91. "My God shall supply all your need, according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus." Philippians 4:19 For those whose lives are right with Him, His promises are sure and He will fulfill them for us. God does not make promises that He does not keep. His word is sure.

2) Get out of the large cities and move to a smaller one. Have a garden and grow as much of your own food as possible. Buy your seeds NOW for 3 years and keep them in your freezer. (According to Daniel chapter 12, the Great Tribulation lasts 3 ½ years.) When we no longer have electricity, put powdered milk in the bottom fourth of a canning jar (absorbs moisture) and then fill the jar with seed packets. Screw the lid on tight and keep in the coolest part of your home. (Buy the canning jars and powdered milk now. Any supplies you think you will need, buy now.) We had two friends consult with us yesterday. They both have mortgages they will not be able to pay off which means they will lose their homes in the coming economic collapse (this is what happened during the Great Depression). We advised them to buy a used RV asap and have it stocked and ready to go. Pray and ask God to show you where He wants you to go and when He wants you to leave. You need to have a plan. The ideal is to find a Christian friend who lives in the country who owns their property free and clear and who will let you park your RV. If you can't afford an RV, get a tent or find a friend who will let you move in with them. Eventually, we will have to flee even our homes in the country. Have a small pack packed for that time with essentials. Enclosed as an attachment is a guide to what to put in your "survival pack."

3) Have a least three months' supply of food and water. The food needs to be non perishable staples like beans and rice. If you have any Mormons or Amish near you, they can tell you where to buy large sacks of rice and beans. Or just start stocking up from the grocery store. You need to stock up asap—no time to order and wait for your order to come in. So just buy it wherever you can get it from fast. If you buy large sacks of rice and beans, repackage them in double bagged plastic bags (gallon size with the twist ties are cheapest), and then put them in a plastic storage bin (available at Walmart) with diatomaceous earth (available at gardening centers) sprinkled around the bags (this kills bugs—also kills bugs on your garden so stock up). Keep these bins in a place where they will freeze during the winter and be in the heat in the summer as this will freeze and boil the weevils out. To store water, buy large plastic garbage cans, line with the most durable garbage bag, and fill with water.

4) Move your savings, IRA's, and investment funds out of the banking system. Get out of the stock market. Otherwise you will be throwing your money away. DO THIS NOW. Time is of the essence. We are being asked, "What do we do with our money?" About money, Jesus said, "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal; But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal; For where your treasure is, will your heart be also." (Matthew 6:19-21) So, put some of your money in the gospel and save some for your families' needs. How much of each? We can't tell you. Pray and ask God and He will show you. One good thing to do with your money is to stock up on religious books to pass out as when these things happen, people's only hope is in God, and they will need you to share with them. The best book we have found for this is Shelter in the Storm available by the case (60 books in a case) for $16, including shipping, from Harvest Time Books, available from

www.harvestimebooks.com or by calling 931-692-2777. You can obtain many other Christian books from them at extremely low prices as well. Shelter in the Storm contains Steps to Christ (a book that tells how to have a close walk with God), 60 pages from Great Controversy ( which tells what is soon to come so no one will be deceived), as well as a chapter showing how we need to keep God's law if we truly love Him. All critical information that people need to know to have a close walk with God is in this book. For the money you want to save, you will have to hide it well. Enclosed is an attachment that tells you how to do that. When you try to get your money out of the bank, you will find out that the noose is already tightening as they make it hard to get large amounts of money out. Any amount of money taken out as cash in the amount of $10,000 or more and the banks are required by law to tell the authorities that you have done so (they say this is to stop the criminals and drugs). So take out less than that amount at a time and if you have more than that in the bank, you will have to take it out at different times. If you have to do multiple withdrawals, to go different bank locations and/or different tellers. To take cash out in amounts more than $1000 you have to have two forms of ID, including your check card.
5) Get a wood burning stove for heating. If you are planning on living in an RV, get a very small wood stove and install it in your RV. We know of someone who did just that.

6) Those who have their children in the public or private schools, beware, this strike may take place on a Thursday or Friday and your children will be bussed to a "safe haven" without your knowledge and kept there for an undetermined length of time for "their safety."

7) Avoid traveling in September, 2008 as barriers and check points will be erected. Those who do not have their papers or are on their round-up list will be imprisoned, exiled, enslaved, or decapitated. Yes, they do have such a list as we have read from several sources about this list. Interestingly, we know that some of these sources do not know about the other sources, making what they say more credible. They have a red list (those to be executed immediately) and a blue list (those to be put in concentration camps for "re-education.") These people will probably not survive either. Those most likely to be on the round-up list are those deemed the most likely to be leaders in protests against martial law and Christian leaders. (Remember, we have been told "Transgression has almost reached its limit. Confusion fills the world, and a great terror is soon to come upon human beings. The end is very near. We who know the truth should be preparing for what is soon to break upon the world as an overwhelming surprise." Testimonies, vol. 8, p. 28.) If you want to read more about the red and blue lists (plus a whole lot more about what is coming) go to

www.uaff.us (you will have to sign up and pay a small fee of $3.95 to get in) and then click on "FEMA camps" to learn a lot more about this. Here's an excerpt from this website where they tell where they got this information from. "Mr. Sea is a former inspector for the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Department of Defense. Here Mr. Sea elaborates on the 'RED and BLUE Lists' and what they mean. The RED List is for pick-up and execution before unobtrusive preparations for martial law are initiated. The BLUE List is also for execution, but later, within 6 weeks of martial law declaration. When you get picked up on a RED pick-up, they'll take you from your home at night, probably around 4 am and put you in a black van, then drive you to a helicopter waiting to fly you to an intermediate point. There, you'll be loaded onto a big 64-passenger CH-47 Chinook helicopter and fly you to one of 38 cities where you'll board a 747, 737, or 727. You may be taken straight to a red camp and executed. At some point, martial law will be declared. Martial law is when the writ of Habeas Corpus to have a trial by jury is suspended. Instead, of going to the judge, you go straight to jail. At this point, the BLUE listed people will be picked up. At that time, the country will be regionalized into ten regions, which are already designated by FEMA. The black choppers have state-of-the-art radio (RF) frequency wideband jammers, and can jam cell phones and CBs while they're executing black operations missions. This means that your cell phone could be jammed just before and/or during any action against you. In June of 1996, an FBI agent got hold of the Region Three BLUE List (from a CIA agent), and found his own name on it, and those of several others he knew in Virginia. The Regional BLUE List stated that the names on the BLUE List would be picked up 'within six weeks of the actual martial law declaration.' It will work if the 300,000 Soviet troops which are ALREADY HERE can get the guns. The ones doing all of this are operating out of the highest places in the Federal Government. They're cooperating with spirit guides and mediums and using astrology and numerology. The spirit guides are telling them what to do, and the entire thing is being orchestrated at the highest spiritual levels. Every base has been covered. They've thought of everything. They often do things on the 13th of the month." What makes the above believable to us is that over 10 years ago we obtained a video from SDA Pastor Jan Marcussen (still available in his CCA video series by calling 618-627-2357) in which a retired SDA colporteur told how he stumbled across these same red and blue lists many years ago. The authorities are obviously planning on a large number of people dying soon as we have been receiving reports and photographs of places around the country where large numbers of cheap plastic coffins are being stored. To see some photos which will make you a believer go to http://signs-times.blogspot.com. Scroll down and read the first post first, and then read the posts up in order. (Please, don't be frightened. Remember God's promises. Memorize them.)
7) Plan to have several families living under one roof. If your place is free and clear, reach out to those who will need a place and take them in. Another idea is for several families to live together and together make the mortage payments on one place or to pool money and together buy a place free and clear. Remember the following promise. "The widow of Zarephath shared her morsel with Elijah, and in return her life and that of her son were preserved. To all who, in time of want and trial, give sympathy and assistance to others more needy, God has promised great blessing. He has not changed." (Prophets and Kings p. 132) Read this entire story in the Bible in 1 Kings chapter 17 as this chapter is a real faith strengthener. God will take care of His people during this time as He took care of Elijah when Elijah was persecuted.)

8) During the coming Great Tribulation, we think that nuclear warfare is a real possibility. To learn how to protect yourself, cheaply and easily, go to

www.ki4u.com. The first thing you need to do is order one month's supply of potassium iodide from them for each family member as this will protect you from the radiation fallout.
9) The Bible says that there will be end time plagues (Psalm 91). But God promises in this psalm to protect His people. However, we do need to live as healthy as we can. A vegan diet, with at least 50% of it being raw fruits and vegetables, strengthens one's immune system more than any other diet. Go to

www.hacres.com to learn about this diet. For an herbal recipe to fight any plagues, go to www.godsholidays.com and read the July 2008 newsletter. Download and read the book Armageddon available at this same website for free as well as this book tells you what Armageddon is really going to be over (different from what most people think). We have been told by a physician who has studied up on what is coming that the government plans to vaccinate everyone when some of these plagues come. This physician says DO NOT take these vaccinations as they will harm you. Do your best to hide during this time. You may need to get a tent and temporarily escape into the wilderness. If, however, they are forced on you, come home and immediately take large doses of charcoal to overcome the effects. The above newsletter also tells you about the use of charcoal, where to get it, and how to take it. (This physician stated that they will leave the country during this time and advised getting a passport. However, we're not sure one will be able to leave.)
10) Pray earnestly for the latter rain of God's Holy Spirit.

Again, PLEASE do not be afraid. God's promises are sure.

DAY 1:

"Oh, that men would praise the LORD for His goodness and for His wonderful works to the children of men. For He satisfieth the longing soul and filleth the hungry soul with goodness." Psalms 107:8, 9

When we praise God He is able to do much more for us. So praise Him and claim His promises. He will not let you down, as long as you are on His side and your life is right with Him.

"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mine." 2 Timothy 1:7

During the coming Great Tribulation, we will be repeating the history of the Israelites as they traveled from Egypt to Canaan. Study up on this trip by reading the Bible and also Patriarchs and Prophets (available from Harvest Time Books). Everything they went through, we will go through, but note how God performed mighty miracles to save them. Also note that when they lost their lives unnecessarily was when they didn't follow God. We will repeat their history, but this time we must not have the failings that they had. Their biggest failure was that of "unbelief" and "complaining." Remember, at the beginning of their journey they had a great crisis. The Red Sea was before them, mountains were on both sides, and the Egyptians (worldly enemies) were behind them. They had no way of escape. "He brought them down to the Red Sea—where, pursued by the Egyptians, escape seemed impossible—that they might realize their utter helplessness, their need of divine aid; and then He wrought deliverance for them. Thus they were filled with love and gratitude to God and with confidence in His power to help them." (Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 371) So, at the beginning of our journey during the Great Tribulation, we too will face a great crisis with "no way of escape" from a human standpoint. But those who stay obedient to God's commands and keep their faith in Him will see God work in a mighty way to deliver them. Yes, some will go to prison, some will be martyred, and some will have to flee to the rocks and the mountains—but whatever category you are in, be assured that God has chosen the best for you and He will strengthen you, give you courage and grace, He will be with you, and He will hold your hand. We can totally trust Him, like a child trusts their parent.

Here are additional promises for you to claim and memorize.

"Casting all your care upon Him; for He careth for you." 1 Peter 5:7

"Jesus sees the end from the beginning. In every difficulty He has His way prepared to bring relief. Our heavenly Father has a thousand ways to provide for us, of which we know nothing." (Desire of Ages, p. 330)

Day 2: "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not; behold your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompense; He will come and save you." Isaiah 35:4

Day 3Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will shew to you today. The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace." Exodus 14:13-14

God is 'able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think." Ephesians 3:20

Day 4: "Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid, for the LORD thy God, He it is that doth go with thee; He will not fail thee nor forsake thee." Deuteronomy 31:6

"And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children." Isaiah 54:13

Day 5: "Fear thou not, for I am with thee, be not dismayed, for I am thy God. I will strengthen the; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness. For I the Lord thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not, I will help thee." Isaiah 41:10, 13

Day 6: "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you; For everyone that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." Matthew 7:7-8

"Wait on the LORD; be of good courage, and He shall strengthen thine heart; wait, I say, on the LORD." Psalm 27:14

Day 7: "For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but My kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of My peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee." Isaiah 54:10

"Rejoice in the LORD always, and again I say, rejoice." Philippians 4:4

Day 8: "Nevertheless I am not ashamed; for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to kept hat which I have committed unto Him against that day." 2 Timothy 1:12

Also claim God's armor for protection

(and use it). This armor is found in Ephesians 6:14-18.
Day 9: Pray for the mind of Jesus. "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus." Philippians 2:5

"Hold up my goings in the paths, that my footsteps slip not." Psalm 17:5

Day 10: "Be careful for nothing

(in other words, don't worry); but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." Philippians 4:6-7
Day 11: "LORD, it is nothing with thee to help, whether with many, or with them that have no power; help us, O LORD our God; for we rest on thee, and in Thy name we go against this multitude. O LORD, thou art our God; let not man prevail against Thee." 2 Chronicles 14:11

Day 12: "These signs shall follow them that believe. In My name shall they cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues, they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing,,, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

Mark 16:17-18

Day 13: "Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean. And Jesus put forth His hand, and touched him, saying, I will, be thou clean." Matthew 8:2-3

(Jesus' promise is still good today—to heal us from all uncleanness, whether it be spiritual or physical.)
Day 14: "But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His spirit that dwelleth in you." Romans 8:11

Day 15: "I will call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from mine enemies. He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me; for they were too strong for me." Psalm 18:3, 17.

Day 16: "Let him take hold of My strength that he may make peace with Me, and he shall make peace with Me." Isaiah 27:5

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18

Day 17: "And even to your old age I am He; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you; I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you." Isaiah 46:4

"I, even I, am He that comforteth you. Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling." Isaiah 51:11, 22.

Day 18: "For the joy of the LORD is your strength." Nehemiah 8:10

"Let not your heart be troubled; ye believe in God, believe also in Me. In My house are many mansions. If it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you, and if I go and prepare a place for you I will come again and receive you unto Myself, that where I am , there ye may be also." John 14:1-3

Day 19: "Peace I leave with you, My peace I give unto you; not as the world giveth give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." John 14:27

Day 20: "He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might He increaseth strength. They that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run and not be weary; and they shall walk and not faint." Isaiah 40:29, 31.

Day 21: "Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy." Jude 24.

Day 22: "Fear not; for I have redeemed thee. I have called thee by name; thou art Mine. When thou passest through the waters I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee; when thou walkest through the fire, thou shall not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Savior; I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Since thou wast precious in My sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee. Fear not for I am with thee." Isaiah 43:1-5.

Day 23: "My grace is sufficient for thee, for My strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then am I strong." 2 Corinthians 12:9-10

Day 24: "Whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass, he shall have whatsoever he saith." Mark 11:23

Day 25: "And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand and when ye turn to the left." Isaiah 30:21

Day 26: "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need." Hebrews 4:15-16

Day 27: "Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered? But thus saith the LORD, even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered; for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children." Isaiah 49:24-25

Day 28: "Beloved I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth." 3 John 2

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear, because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love." 1 John 4:18

Day 29: "I have set the LORD always before me; because He is at my right hand I shall not be moved." Psalm 16:8

"Thou wilt shew me the path of life; in thy presence is fullness of joy; at they right hand there are pleasures forevermore." Psalm 16:11

"Whatsoever things ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them." Mark 11:24

Day 30: "Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole." Matthew 9:22

"For the LORD God will help me; therefore I shall not be confounded; therefore I have set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be ashamed." Isaiah 50:7

"Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all these things

(food, clothing, necessities) shall be added unto you." Matthew 6:33
Day 31: "Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee: yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of My righteousness." Isaiah 41:10

"They that trust in the LORD shall be as Mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth forever. As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the LORD is round about His people from henceforth even forever." Psalms 125:1, 2

(Read the story in the Bible of the armies that surrounded Elijah and how God protected him.)
"Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches; but let him that glorieth, glory in this, that He understandeth and knoweth Me." Jeremiah 9:23, 24
Fere
SURVIVING MARTIAL LAW

* Prepare before any declaration of martial law by becoming self reliant. You may become subject to a bureaucratic system and be prepared to stay one step ahead of it which is easy to do if you are prepared and in a position to be self reliant. You may also face mob rule, chaos, panic, or a complete breakdown in law and order. Surival situations may be easier to handle in rural areas than urban.

* Avoid areas of marital law. Can be imposed due to natural disasters or man caused events. Important to have a retreat or place in a rural area away from populated areas.

* Create alliances with like minded neighbors or community members that share your views. Team work and numbers may help your situation.

* Become transparent in the sense that you do not draw attention to yourself or your family. For instance, do not tell people that you are storing food just store food. Be prepared to render assistance to neighbors if need be. You never know when you will need them.

* Remain calm! Do not panic.

* Avoid areas of civil unrest if possible. If caught in civil unrest take appropriate action.

* Get informed and stay informed. Understand martial law can be a temporary crisis or an extended one. In extreme cases the shape of a whole nation can change.

* Declaration of martial law means your rights are suspended and it is government by decree. Your constitutional rights may no longer apply. This could mean a state of National Emergency.

* People can be arrested and imprisoned indefinitely without charges.

* Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly can be suspended, and censorship of the media imposed.

* Gun ownership will also come under severe attack during marital law. We could see house to house searches by the military or National Guard looking for guns and seizing any they find along with stored food.

* Take a stand on issues and make a choice that fits your beliefs and the situation. Do you believe as Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty or give me death?" Realize you may have some hard choices to make. Understand you may have to sacrifice your principles on trivial matters or take a hard stand. Always remember that you may have to come back and fight another day.

***Trust God***
Fere
What Martial Law might look like in the United States

First, martial law has been looked at in several films, etc. Along with this, no one really knows exactly what it would mean as the way it would take hold would differ depending on the circumstances. But under the aforementioned- Muslim terrorists targeting seven major cities with nuclear bombs and then attacking suburbs outside the explosive areas - we could expect at least some of the following.

Curfew -
A curfew before dark would no doubt be imposed. The reasons are obvious: If the military is in an area, they want to ask as little questions as possible when they see someone outside, and in darkness this feeling would be tenfold.

Further, when the military is in charge fun will be less paramount. In other words, the government and soldiers won't want to deal with people out after dark.

Employment to continue soon - Initially, all activity would likely cease if a nuclear bomb were to be set off in or near an area. That said, once the threat of injury due to fallout was lifted, the government would want to get people back to work as soon as possible.

In other words, we all need work to survive and that's exactly what the country would want to do: Survive.

Rations - The military just might end up in charge of rationing out food and supplies, if needed in the area, during a period of Martial Law.

Military Tribunals - Don't expect a standard jury and trial during such times. A trial? Yes, in a way at least. Basically, members of the military ( a military commission ) would meet to determine a lawbreakers fate during a Martial Law period and this would happen swiftly.

Further, the public would have to expect much more severe penalties for lawbreaking (particularly for those offenses that could in any minor way be tied to violence or, of course, terrorism).

In other words, if you were found to be a terrorist under military rule. . . Well, let's face it: The government would probably pass a law putting these people to death.

And remember, during such times the military would not act like local police. In other words, they would probably give possible lawbreakers only one shot before shooting on site if that.

Security - With security the number one directive, expect that leaving a city/ area by car would be an ordeal. We're talking akin to getting into Canada (actually, a lot worse). Thus, travel, beyond to places of employment, would be severely restricted (possibly by permit only?).

Detention Camps - Some might not like to hear this but detention camps would clearly be warranted if such a thing were to occur. Back on November 13, 2001 the President issued a military order involving the detention, treatment, and trial of certain non-citizens in the war against terrorism. Basically, this order said that the government could detain non-citizens reasonably suspected of being a terrorist or harboring them (as long as they were treated humanely in these detention centers).

Further, there would be a trial (by military commission). In other words, much like the Military Tribunals spoken of earlier.

Beyond this, it is quite clear that the United States has considered such detention situations as Halliburton's former engineering and construction subsidiary has a contingency contract with the Department of Homeland Security to construct detention facilities in the case of national emergency (according to WorldNetDaily).

An ICE spokesman (ICE being the former subsidiary) further indicated that the detention centers would be used in the event of a mass migration crisis. Along with this, it is very hard to know how many people might be detained in such a manner (but guess on nearly every Muslim with any known tie whatsoever to terrorist states being locked up until things can be sorted through). Thus, taking everything into account, we're probably talking about tens of thousands.

The problem with detention - Obviously under such circumstances the United States would have to detain several non-citizens as was noted earlier. Further, if we're going to be honest, many of them would be Muslims (again, this was noted earlier). But consider this: What if some of our own citizens were helping the terrorists?

Here Am I
QUOTE (Boyd @ Sep 2 2008, 05:40 PM) *
According to the law put into effect just last year, the President has the power to declare martial law for any emergency that he feels is a threat to the nation, and if this happens close to election time, the election will be canceled or postponed and the current president will stay in power. The Constitution will also be suspended. This is all going to happen this September or shortly thereafter. I asked her where she got this information as I wanted to make sure this information is accurate before I send it out to all of you. She got it from a godly Christian physician, so I contacted him and asked him for his source. He told me that he had three sources. 1) A patient of his, who had over 1 million in the bank, just recently took all of his money out of the bank over several weeks due to being told by his banker, who had just retired, that the banks are


Hi Boyd smile.gif


This is a very plausible scenario. I have sensed strongly, for a very long time, that a major event will occur and Bush will stay in power indefinitely. Martial law suspends the constitution, and all the legalities with regard to executive orders have already been prepared.


BUSH POWER GRAB
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=15674
Levite-7
hi~

behold, two groups of peoples shall arise, one without need, one in desperate need. one shall see one way, the other shall see another way. they shall share the same space, breathe the same air, & consume the same meat ~ but shall perceive different things.

of a truth, it is not yet the time appointed for the end of all things. events made by men shall be played by men, & shall be embraced by men. the LORD made this clear even in His time upon the earth; as written in the Gospel According To Saint Matthew 8:21 - 22 (akjv), 21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. 22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

~levite-7
Fere
I added some links below on various survival information. I thought I would add it to this thread, because we never know how quickly something can happen and we should be prepared. Whether it be nuclear/war, martial law, economy collapse, terrorism, etc. There are many survival sites online with good information.
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http://www.ki4u.com/nuclearsurvival/list.htm
State Maps and Information for
Nuclear Survival

http://www.webpal.org/d_resources/list.htm
State Maps and Information for
Nuclear Survival

http://www.cybertrn.demon.co.uk/atomic/main.htm
Protect and Survive

http://users.snowcrest.net/wb6fzh/tceppak.html
Personal Emergency Supply Kit

http://www.bt.cdc.gov/chemical/
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

http://www.survivalx.com/terrorism-prepara...unexpected.html
Survivalx
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Some survival supplies:
Bible
Water
Food (non-perishable)
Utensils
Extra clothing
Flashlight
Batteries
Radio
Medicine
Matches
Paper
Pen
T.P.
Paper towels
Cash
Candles
Blankets & Pillows
Potassium Iodate
First Aid Kit



dennis mann
the SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS are wrong about keeping the saturday OT sabbath

collossians 2;16

they have rejected the scripture
SeekingHim
OK I am now terrified! ohmy.gif
Paula
I am a natural 'NESTER'. I begin organizing for trips months a head of time. I start packing weeks before our scheduled departure. When we begin our trip, I always carry a large trip book stuffed with maps, contingency plans, trip schedules and itineraries, hotels reservations, ect. I leave as little to chance as possible. It is my nature.

Months ago, I started feeling that things were soon to get difficult. My husband and I started discussing what we should start stocking up on so that we could take care of our family (4 kids and various close friends). We each then went to God separately and prayed for guidance. I prayed about food stuff and energy needs. E prayed about weapons and tools and various minor repairs on our home.....

We came back together with the same answer, "Don't rely upon the things of the world, but put your trust in God!"
Despite our faith in our Lord, this disconserted us greatly. We were ready and willing to go 'survival" E feels that he has been waiting for this his whole life, but we both distincty heard,"NO! Do not stock up on anything!"

I tested the Lord several ways, with:
It couldn't hurt anything to put away a few things, what if........

1. a normal run of the mill natural disaster hit. Ivan brought trees down in our yard, Katrina keft us sans power for a week.
2. Nuclear disaster: Alabama has two nuclear power plants north of us, a spill would contaminate the Tennesse Tombigbee waterway besides which our town sits. We live a few hundred yards above the Warrior River.
3. a general chemical spill at Americhem. we live a two hundred yards from their front door, but own property several miles away as well.

But God very emphatically ,' NO!"

Even though it goes against both of our natures, we are doing NOTHING in the physical to get ready for the tribulation as far as stocking up. ( we are ,however, doing everything as far as looking to God for provision) I keep thinking about the Israelite's Manna. Those that stored it up on any day other than the Sabbath found it rotten when they went to use it.

I said all that to say this......Do not listen to me or anyone else that is telling you to do this or that. Go to God and find out what he wants YOU to do. Above all, DO NOT BE AFRAID. Everything that you do, DO IN FAITH.

Also, E and I are pre-tribbers. We firmly believe that at the appointed time, the Lord will come back for his Bride, I hope to go with my children in that move. E, however, feels that the Lord has called him to stay behind and work to help those LEFT behind. For just that possibility, I have transferred property that I inherited to his name so that He will not have any trouble collecting the income when I disappear.

Paula
damo7


intresting though this will not effect me or us Aussies plus i wil be in the philippines and i know what marshal law is like since i lived in a war torn country


what tends to happen when marshal law is introduced the strong will do what they can to stay above even if a life is lost


you will see this when marshall law is introduced and i bet you the goverment has a list of the ones who will be a threat to them

you have a lot of gangs in your country and in each city i can bet you these leaders and the gang members will not listen to the rules when it comes to marshall law


what i noticed in my country guys who could handle them selves would push their luck and take on the guys who had been given direct orders by there captains

some army and navy guys cant handle them selves that well

when i worked in the club sceen in kings cross we had army and navy guys trying their luck on the bouncers

and what i observed is this the training they got did not help them when it comes to a street fighter


yes get to know your neighbours as you wil never know when you will need your neighbours


their is no reason to be affraid though i am seeing people who are reading this for the first time will be freaking out

i took my time and i saved some links i will go over thes links over the weekend and might invite a few friends over

its amazing what a president can do and how much power is given to one man

i can see why we will not follow your path and have one man elected as a president

hear its diffrent the governor genral can sack the prime minister on the spot and he can re elect a prime minister

or as what you see happening in phuket the goverment can be over thrown people power we are the ones who put these guys in their roles and it should be up to us


i noticed this is only going to happen in your country as if this was to happen world wide their would be trouble


the red list and blue list has me intrested and i might get some money to a friend of mine and have him then send me the link i would like to take my time going over those lists


hear is my Question it states on those lists will be the ones who wil be seen as a threat to your goverment

how will they get rid of the smell ? when hittler was killing of the jews and dumping them in graves that were dug by the equipment they had they noticed a strong smell comming from the pits they had dug

to state that people only on those lists wil be executed is mind blowing and how will they have the list when it comes to chrsitian leaders ?

and what does the goverement tend to do with the homes and the peoples money that has been invested into savings account ?

we all know what hittler did with the money and everything his soldiers were ordered to collect from the jews they were killing

and if this list does exist will you guys alow this to happen knowing innocent people are being executed killed for no reason ?


i know if this was to happen hear we wil stand up and take the army on their are guys in country towns who have stocked up enough fire arms to start a war and they will not tell you were they have burried their arms that they have collected but i know in each country town their are normal civillians that have done this as they see them selves as the ones who will be facing any enemy head on if the police fail and the army fails

we learnt this from when pearl harbour was attacked by the japannese and slowly the jappanesse were sneaking into australia

a lot of lives were lost when jappan attacked


aussie guys dont back down so easy or will they have were the army tells them what they can and cant do

their are some tuff men living in these country towns and i have seen were a police officer has high tailed it knowing he wil not be able to keep these guys under control


you have rebels you have gangs and you have bikkies and you have you mexicans who can handle them selves


those lists will they have all the trouble makers on them ?

and if this was to say be told to some one like in my country what damage do you think this could do to your country were people are told all over the world that your country has given orders for innocent people to be killed ?


i am finding it hard to believe that your president who is suppose to be a born again chrsitian will give such orders and then stand back and alow the army to do what it has to do i am sure he would know what god will do to the ones who take a life and i am sure that George bush knows when god does decide to judge the world he wil be judged for what he has done while alive on this earth the blame will go to bush if he gives the army these orders

we are in september know and i have not heard this from my fiancee friend who wil be marrying us in dec she lives in america and has been know in the philippines for 5 months she comes back to america next year as her adopted daughter is looking after the house she brought and she has a close friend from the church making sure her daughter is ok


i wil be talking to my fiancee and i will ask her to pass this link on to her friend as i want her to tell me what she thinks by what has been pressented

this hapend in yugoslavia when marshal law was introduced normal citazens took the army on

are you that gulable to were you wil just listen and alow this too happen to your fellow country men ?


if it was me i would do what i can as no life should be lost because they are on a list




God bless from damo
meli
QUOTE
The Regional BLUE List stated that the names on the BLUE List would be picked up 'within six weeks of the actual martial law declaration.' It will work if the 300,000 Soviet troops which are ALREADY HERE can get the guns. The ones doing all of this are operating out of the highest places in the Federal Government.

I do not doubt that much of what was quoted is true. But like many things it requires discernment. This is a huge problem when truth is mixed with fiction such as the above quote which I don't quite get. Of course the Soviet Union died in 1991. Also, if this thing is being implemented by the Federal Government what is the problem with the getting of guns? They waiting for their permits to be approved? Something doesn't quite seem right about this...
ces280
Well being ready, and watching is a great thing (living in California we always have stuff because of earthquakes), but about this thread; how can 300,000 russian troops already be here? Wouldn't they stick out like sore thumbs, and they are polite enough to wait until they are already here, to buy and apply for gun permits, and then guns before they overtake a country of 300 million? And our government is using mediums in touch with spirit guides to orchestrate this with numberology? I'm sorry. I'm not tearing anyone apart for this, but this sounds like a doomsday conspiracy to me. I've already prayed about the end times, and I have faith when it's time to store up the water, and canned goods I'll get the word.
IAMlives
Hi everyone,
I prayed about this in sincerity...especially considering the current financial crisis in our country and do believe I received a word from the Lord concerning the main article..."paranoia" was the word I heard. sad.gif
This is not an attack or rebuke against the original OP...just speaking honestly. smile.gif

My husband and I do believe there will be a time in the near future when we will be preparing, but not until we receive that word from the Lord. We also believe in post-trib.

...and I want to say this...I don't consider it wrong to have some supplies on hand for minor emergencies or to aid others in their time of need...but not to panic if you can't do that.

God bless you all,
Kim
damo7



russians will stick out like sore thumbs in your country i can spot a russian in my country and i know what a russian looks like due to my father having a lot of russian friends


that list is what is puzzling me and why would the goverment havt two lists a red list and a blue list


i am know going to do some digging to see if ASIO is doing the same as ASIO is like your FBI and CIA


ASIO Works close with the Australian goverment and they check out potential threats to our country


i am sending what the op has given hear for us to read and ponder on to my fiancee as the head pastor who planted the first church in bacolod is a filapino living in America she wil be able to tel me if this is valid



were would 300,000 russians be able to hide in america if they police are catching ilegal mexicans who try to blend in when they jump the boarder and make it into your country to were some are cought


how will 300,000 russians be able to hide

and humans wil use their skils and do as i said what us aussies are doing hidding arms on our propertys were not even the police or army wil know were the arms are but these guys wil know were to go if such a threat came to australia and this was introduced in australia the goverment would not be able to stop thes guys from prottecting there familys and there communitys


i want to get my hands on that red list and blue list so i know what to look for when i start doing my re search

this is just going to make people panic for no reason



God bless from damo

gr82bsaved

From all of the other posts I have read like the original post (many of them over the years, these are clearly not anywhere near the first) the underlying belief was that the current president or Bush is the antichrist and everyone needs to move out of the cities into the "wilderness", stock up their food pantries and supply closets, and wait out the tribulation until JESUS comes and takes the remnant/bride to be with HIM after it is all over. Those in the wilderness will be in a camp protected by GOD and they will all barter for goods and services. Some say GOD will feed them with manna, others say the food will be grown and it will miraculously mature due to GOD's hand.

I don't doubt for a moment that GOD could sustain people in the wilderness since HE did for the Hebrews in the Exodus. HE can do anything HE wants! But I do not think these stories, told mostly from the point of view of post trib people who want to try out being survivalists for seven years, have any truth to them.

This all happened eight years ago, during the whole Y2K thing. I remember all of the people doing the same exact thing - declaring martial law would descend upon the nation, people would be imprisoned, the banks would fail and it was all because it was GOD's wrath on the US. These posts sound like a repeat of that time, just eight years later with different players. Before that it was the survivalist movement that sprang up during the Reagan administration. Many people were sure that Reagan would plunge the world into WW3 and only those who had prepared for the upcoming nuclear exchange would survive. I was a teenager then, and believe me it was interesting to think I could survive something like that with the proper equipment. It was something that I almost WANTED to happen then because I was prepared and others were not. It was self glorification for being so smart and discerning.

I am a pre-trib person. I do not think that believers in CHRIST will be here when the tribulation starts. I base my life on the teachings of CHRIST.

Same stories, being repeated year after year...

gr82bsaved
Fere
Fortunately or Unfortunately, I was brought up by a father who served in Vietnam and has a survivalist mentality. He was this way long before the year 2000. It was not a panic situation, but just being prepared. He thought he would not survive the war, he did. Now it is all about survival for him. He said every day he has lived since the war has been a blessing, an extra day. My Grandfather served in the WW. He lived through the Great Depression and he is a man of God, he believes in Pre-trib. Yet, he is prepared in somewhat of a survivalist mentality. He has lived through many wars, many hard times in the US. I think being prepared is not necessarily paranoia, but being ready for anything, anytime. We trust in God and my family knows that if a hard time falls upon the World, that God will continue to protect us (Christians). Christians have seen war, they have lived through the Great Depression. But one thing remains constant in our lives, that is God.
gr82bsaved
QUOTE (Fere @ Sep 3 2008, 07:16 AM) *
Fortunately or Unfortunately, I was brought up by a father who served in Vietnam and has a survivalist mentality. He was this way long before the year 2000. It was not a panic situation, but just being prepared. He thought he would not survive the war, he did. Now it is all about survival for him. He said every day he has lived since the war has been a blessing, an extra day. My Grandfather served in the WW. He lived through the Great Depression and he is a man of God, he believes in Pre-trib. Yet, he is prepared in somewhat of a survivalist mentality. He has lived through many wars, many hard times in the US. I think being prepared is not necessarily paranoia, but being ready for anything, anytime. We trust in God and my family knows that if a hard time falls upon the World, that God will continue to protect us (Christians). Christians have seen war, they have lived through the Great Depression. But one thing remains constant in our lives, that is God.


Thank you, Fere. That was was well written.

You are right - we should be prepared for emergancies. We keep an emergancy cash on hand. We keep traveller checks in our cars in case we need them (or someone else does). We stock food in our basement pantry because we can fruits and veggies. I have a generator that can power the entire house, mainly because when our power goes out (and it does about three or more times a year -we are a bit rural) we don't have running water (electric well pump). So being prepared is purdent and smart. It also allows us to be concerned about the needs of our neighbors as well. When the power goes out and they need water (same well situation) they come over. If they need to cook something for their family they can use our kitchen. It is that kind of thing that preparing is good for, too. It shows the love of CHRIST to others and causes fellowship to happen instantly.

I appreciate your story about your dad ad grandfather. Interesting!

Blessings to you in JESUS name

gr82bsaved
happy2Bfree
People must realize why these stories pop up.

If Americans start taking their money out of the banks in droves....that does cause major problems.

What better way for those who want us to fall than to be starting rumers.

I have an uncle who is in a very high position in one of the major banks in this country. He would warn us if something like this were to happen.

Nothing is going to happen in September.

It is more likely that Yeshua will return than for this crisis to happen.
happy2Bfree
QUOTE (Fere @ Sep 3 2008, 07:16 AM) *
Fortunately or Unfortunately, I was brought up by a father who served in Vietnam and has a survivalist mentality. He was this way long before the year 2000. It was not a panic situation, but just being prepared. He thought he would not survive the war, he did. Now it is all about survival for him. He said every day he has lived since the war has been a blessing, an extra day. My Grandfather served in the WW. He lived through the Great Depression and he is a man of God, he believes in Pre-trib. Yet, he is prepared in somewhat of a survivalist mentality. He has lived through many wars, many hard times in the US. I think being prepared is not necessarily paranoia, but being ready for anything, anytime. We trust in God and my family knows that if a hard time falls upon the World, that God will continue to protect us (Christians). Christians have seen war, they have lived through the Great Depression. But one thing remains constant in our lives, that is God.



God bless your family. And that is very wise advice.

We always should be prepared. Just not run in panic. I'm a single mom and I've also been preparing little by little.

MMarc
QUOTE (gr82bsaved @ Sep 3 2008, 09:01 AM) *
From all of the other posts I have read like the original post (many of them over the years, these are clearly not anywhere near the first) the underlying belief was that the current president or Bush is the antichrist and everyone needs to move out of the cities into the "wilderness", stock up their food pantries and supply closets, and wait out the tribulation until JESUS comes and takes the remnant/bride to be with HIM after it is all over. Those in the wilderness will be in a camp protected by GOD and they will all barter for goods and services. Some say GOD will feed them with manna, others say the food will be grown and it will miraculously mature due to GOD's hand.

I don't doubt for a moment that GOD could sustain people in the wilderness since HE did for the Hebrews in the Exodus. HE can do anything HE wants! But I do not think these stories, told mostly from the point of view of post trib people who want to try out being survivalists for seven years, have any truth to them.

This all happened eight years ago, during the whole Y2K thing. I remember all of the people doing the same exact thing - declaring martial law would descend upon the nation, people would be imprisoned, the banks would fail and it was all because it was GOD's wrath on the US. These posts sound like a repeat of that time, just eight years later with different players. Before that it was the survivalist movement that sprang up during the Reagan administration. Many people were sure that Reagan would plunge the world into WW3 and only those who had prepared for the upcoming nuclear exchange would survive. I was a teenager then, and believe me it was interesting to think I could survive something like that with the proper equipment. It was something that I almost WANTED to happen then because I was prepared and others were not. It was self glorification for being so smart and discerning.

I am a pre-trib person. I do not think that believers in CHRIST will be here when the tribulation starts. I base my life on the teachings of CHRIST.

Same stories, being repeated year after year...

gr82bsaved


The great tribulation is already here on earth, just look at all the martyrs, around the world.
In China, India, all Islamist countries, North Africa, south America.

This covers at least 2/3 of the world population....Please go and tell our brosthers and sisters in Christ they won't suffer the great tribulation they are experiencing now for the Lord's sake...And that the will be raptured.

Why aren't they being raptured instead of going through tribulation?

Jesus said: tribulation MUST COME, but woe to those through whom they come....
meli
I agree with what Fere and others have said about it being wise to prepare. If for nothing else then the economic situation. There are a couple of good threads here concerning ways to save money, and ways to save and help out when things get tough. Because I live in the country I buy in bulk anyway. Saves going to the shop every week and it's just how people do things around here. Petrol is very expensive in the UK so it's a luxury. My sons walk a mile to the school bus stop for instance. Some kids walk 2 or more so for here it's just the norm. I am getting chickens soon and maybe a nanny goat as milk and eggs are things that run out first in our house. I hope to start canning food I have grown and jams etc over this coming year. I don't really have a solid opinion on pre trib, post trib etc but if nothing else, someone is welcome to what I have stored up for hard times if I'm not here to use it.
I didn't mean to poo-poo the original posters post in this thread. As I said there is probably some truth in it, maybe quite alot. But when other bits are added that are far fetched maybe, we end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater (don't know if you have that saying where you are from!). So I read these things when they pop up and try to use discernment but that's not always easy for sure. In the meantime I will just carry on doing the best I can for my family and our future and our neighbors, friends and even strangers who might be in need if an economic collapse happens. I have no money stored aside really as I haven't enough to make a difference in rough times anyway! But I figure a cup of oats or rice will get me about as far as paper money if it got really bad and if not then I trust God will provide somehow. Peace to all of you, you are a lovely bunch 1dsz5e4.gif
gr82bsaved
Meli,
Thank you so much! I loved your post. Yes, we have the saying "throw the baby out with the bathwater." I think for the most part we are very much alike, especially those in the midwest US compared to where you are.

Thank you for coming to the board and replying to this thread.

Blessings to you and all in the UK in JESUS name

gr82bsaved
gr82bsaved
QUOTE (MMarc @ Sep 3 2008, 08:43 AM) *
QUOTE (gr82bsaved @ Sep 3 2008, 09:01 AM) *
From all of the other posts I have read like the original post (many of them over the years, these are clearly not anywhere near the first) the underlying belief was that the current president or Bush is the antichrist and everyone needs to move out of the cities into the "wilderness", stock up their food pantries and supply closets, and wait out the tribulation until JESUS comes and takes the remnant/bride to be with HIM after it is all over. Those in the wilderness will be in a camp protected by GOD and they will all barter for goods and services. Some say GOD will feed them with manna, others say the food will be grown and it will miraculously mature due to GOD's hand.

I don't doubt for a moment that GOD could sustain people in the wilderness since HE did for the Hebrews in the Exodus. HE can do anything HE wants! But I do not think these stories, told mostly from the point of view of post trib people who want to try out being survivalists for seven years, have any truth to them.

This all happened eight years ago, during the whole Y2K thing. I remember all of the people doing the same exact thing - declaring martial law would descend upon the nation, people would be imprisoned, the banks would fail and it was all because it was GOD's wrath on the US. These posts sound like a repeat of that time, just eight years later with different players. Before that it was the survivalist movement that sprang up during the Reagan administration. Many people were sure that Reagan would plunge the world into WW3 and only those who had prepared for the upcoming nuclear exchange would survive. I was a teenager then, and believe me it was interesting to think I could survive something like that with the proper equipment. It was something that I almost WANTED to happen then because I was prepared and others were not. It was self glorification for being so smart and discerning.

I am a pre-trib person. I do not think that believers in CHRIST will be here when the tribulation starts. I base my life on the teachings of CHRIST.

Same stories, being repeated year after year...

gr82bsaved


The great tribulation is already here on earth, just look at all the martyrs, around the world.
In China, India, all Islamist countries, North Africa, south America.

This covers at least 2/3 of the world population....Please go and tell our brosthers and sisters in Christ they won't suffer the great tribulation they are experiencing now for the Lord's sake...And that the will be raptured.

Why aren't they being raptured instead of going through tribulation?

Jesus said: tribulation MUST COME, but woe to those through whom they come....


I do not think this is the tribulation. I think these are the beginnings of sorrows...

Mr 13:5 And Jesus, answering them, began to say: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
Mr 13:6 "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and will deceive many.
[happened and continuing to happen many times over]


Mr 13:7 "But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled; for such things must happen, but the end is not yet.
[Lots of wars going and more to come]

Mr 13:8 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles. These are the beginnings of sorrows.
[Lots of this happening right now too. Still in the beginning of sorrows]

Mr 13:9 "But watch out for yourselves, for they will deliver you up to councils, and you will be beaten in the synagogues. You will be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony to them.
[Happening to India, China, all over the place. Even in the US, preachers have been jailed because of 'hate speech' laws]

Mr 13:10 "And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations.
[Still happening, more now than ever before. Satellite TV and internet has spread the word even further]


Mr 13:11 "But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.
[Happens to Missionaries a lot]

Mr 13:12 "Now brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death.
[Happening to those who leave Islam and other religions to become followers of CHRIST]

Mr 13:13 "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
[Yes, Christians are hated by the world for JESUS name sake. HE is our strength, wisdom and protection. We wait for HIM to come and take us up, so that the Lawless one may be revealed]

So MMarc, the reason they have not been raptured yet is simple - it is not the tribulation yet.

Blessings to you regardless of your rapture view

gr82bsaved
IAMlives
QUOTE (Fere @ Sep 3 2008, 07:16 AM) *
Fortunately or Unfortunately, I was brought up by a father who served in Vietnam and has a survivalist mentality. He was this way long before the year 2000. It was not a panic situation, but just being prepared. He thought he would not survive the war, he did. Now it is all about survival for him. He said every day he has lived since the war has been a blessing, an extra day. My Grandfather served in the WW. He lived through the Great Depression and he is a man of God, he believes in Pre-trib. Yet, he is prepared in somewhat of a survivalist mentality. He has lived through many wars, many hard times in the US. I think being prepared is not necessarily paranoia, but being ready for anything, anytime. We trust in God and my family knows that if a hard time falls upon the World, that God will continue to protect us (Christians). Christians have seen war, they have lived through the Great Depression. But one thing remains constant in our lives, that is God.


Hi,
I just want to clarify something I shared earlier...I think it can be a good thing to be prepared for disasters etc...I hope I didn't come across as though I don't...but as far as the OP goes, I'm referencing the word "paranoia" to the NOW...I do not believe the time is NOW, in other words. I'm post-trib in beliefs and even though that is my view, I also believe that if a person can't get pre-prepared for Great Trib, then God will provide as evidenced in the past (manna, rocks gushing water, etc).

And I agree with Todd about the Y2K...I know of people who were bordering on hysteria over the thought of what *might* happen...even building under-ground shelters etc (which placed enormous strain on their marriage)...be careful everyone! In all sincerity, I do not believe a minor (mysterious) amount of people will be getting the message that the time is at hand...I believe there will be many coming forward, along with some proofs that indeed, the timing is NOW.

God bless!
Kim
Fere
IAMlives/Kim:

Thank you for that. wink.gif
bonomike
QUOTE (WWJDtoday @ Sep 3 2008, 07:20 PM) *
I think that things have happened in many eras in the last 2000 years and many people were most likely thinking the same thing.. just like in WWI, WWII, the depression, etc. There have been earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, fires, etc. for ages. What makes our generation any different? Sure there are signs, but I am sure they saw signs way back when and thought the end was coming. I'm with Kim and paranoia is a good word for our time. It's just we're out of control. Time to just believe and pray and stop worrying so much.


In all those other eras, we hadn't clocked over into the 7th day (millennium) since creation and the 3rd day (millennium) since Christ.

That's not to mention Israel, 1948, and 1967.

There's no need to worry if one is in Christ, although things may get a bit rough for those called to suffer for his sake, which we all partake of to a greater or lesser measure.

May we be seeking Jesus.

In Him,

Mike

raysondawn
QUOTE (dennis mann @ Sep 2 2008, 07:47 PM) *
the SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS are wrong about keeping the saturday OT sabbath

collossians 2;16

they have rejected the scripture



Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Meat and drink offerings, Feast days, and the sabbath.

All of these are refrences to ceremonial functions performed by the Levite priesthood. It has nothing to do with forsaking the sabbath or the feasts, or the morning and evening sacrifice and oblation of wine that was offered at that time by the Levites for the temple yet stood with its ceremonies in the aforementioned text . There were brethren who were born in circumcision by the law who were also believers in the Messiah. Paul on at least one other occasion said that neither circumcision or uncircumcision was anything but THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS. So the commandments should be kept by both Jew and Gentile. Its a no brainer to throw out the meat and drink, because the priesthood of Levi has been replaced.

It is interesting to note that the Roman Catholic position on the Sabbath is that if one is going to use the bible alone as the rule of faith then they should keep the 7th day. But the reason the Catholics keep sunday is because the church has the presumed authority to change law and by that authority instituted Sol invicti or Day of the Sun.
+Shine+
I'm undecided rapture wise, but I am vearing to post-tribulation.
Although I am not looking forward to the trib, as I think it will be a scarey time, more and more people will have their eyes open and they will believe, and that is exciting.

We also seem to forget that those of us who suffer will be richly blessed by the Lord, perhaps we will be like the Martyr Stephen who looked up and saw the angels ascending and descending as he was stoned to death.

If anyone wants to know what it is like for modern martyrs, please read the book "Jesus Freaks MARTYRS" by Dc Talk, as it is inspiring. One story which made me weep was when there was a group of people who had been found by the Kymer Rouge in Cambodia. They had been rounded up for being Christians and had been made to dig their own graves by the soldiers. They were allowed to pray and the Christians exhorted the soldiers to repent, but at that moment one of their children ran away into the forest. The father called him back, saying that if he ran off into the forest, he would only have a few days to live before he was found, and that it was better for them to be martyred together and go to paradise, so the child came back and they were shot shortly after.
Now I realise that once people have accepted the mark, then they are doomed, but before this happens, there will be many Christians giving up their lives, as "to live is Christ but to die is gain".

I am a bit freaked out at the prospect of dying, suffering and so on, so I pray for the Lord's protection; but we must all be ready... keeping a short account and living close to the Lord. The only safe place is the secret place, under the Lord's wings. We must trust him implicitly and he will lead us where he wants us to go.

I wonder if the apostasy (church falling away) and pre-tribulation view are linked? Maybe people will fall away if the rapture doesn't happen.

I also wonder what it would be like if we had our food stores and safe places? Could be honestly hide away while the rest of the world suffered? Would e not share our bread with strangers? What's the point of hoarding up and just looking after ourselves?
MMarc
QUOTE (+Shine4Him+ @ Sep 4 2008, 03:35 AM) *
I'm undecided rapture wise, but I am vearing to post-tribulation.
Although I am not looking forward to the trib, as I think it will be a scarey time, more and more people will have their eyes open and they will believe, and that is exciting.

We also seem to forget that those of us who suffer will be richly blessed by the Lord, perhaps we will be like the Martyr Stephen who looked up and saw the angels ascending and descending as he was stoned to death.

If anyone wants to know what it is like for modern martyrs, please read the book "Jesus Freaks MARTYRS" by Dc Talk, as it is inspiring. One story which made me weep was when there was a group of people who had been found by the Kymer Rouge in Cambodia. They had been rounded up for being Christians and had been made to dig their own graves by the soldiers. They were allowed to pray and the Christians exhorted the soldiers to repent, but at that moment one of their children ran away into the forest. The father called him back, saying that if he ran off into the forest, he would only have a few days to live before he was found, and that it was better for them to be martyred together and go to paradise, so the child came back and they were shot shortly after.
Now I realise that once people have accepted the mark, then they are doomed, but before this happens, there will be many Christians giving up their lives, as "to live is Christ but to die is gain".

I am a bit freaked out at the prospect of dying, suffering and so on, so I pray for the Lord's protection; but we must all be ready... keeping a short account and living close to the Lord. The only safe place is the secret place, under the Lord's wings. We must trust him implicitly and he will lead us where he wants us to go.

I wonder if the apostasy (church falling away) and pre-tribulation view are linked? Maybe people will fall away if the rapture doesn't happen.

I also wonder what it would be like if we had our food stores and safe places? Could be honestly hide away while the rest of the world suffered? Would e not share our bread with strangers? What's the point of hoarding up and just looking after ourselves?


Good point, many church leaders have falsely prophecied the end of the world or the return of Jesus at a certain date, and when this did not take place, many left these organisations and fell away from the faith...

Good point...
Looking Up
Matthew 6:25-34
25 “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
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