I was reading a few pages of the thread "Christ in Me". I wondered if others think about the connection between Jesus and "The Word"? Do we get the equation?


Here are a few examples of what I'm talking about:


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.

He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.

Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.


The Parable of the Sower

18 "Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. 22 The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. 23 But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."



So, my question is:

Can Christ really be in you without the partaking of and believing and obeying of HIS WORD?


Just because you don't know it, is not an excuse. It's available to all! It is not far away.


The Word is very near you. (Deut. 30:11-14/Romans 10)



In His Love,
Suzanne

The "Christ In Me" thread is one I promulgated and felt led to rehash. Let me try and say this well or not so well.....That is good as far as it goes. Another ideal to be strived for. But what about the obvious? Not all have the foothold of so great an endeavour. We are to learn and grow. That is on a curve of revelation to the individual. I am reminded of this passage...Heb 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let [them] slip. Is Christ in me not also a basic precept of the way of this life? Do we only acheive it in fulness of the word? When we are strong in the word and eating meat? The word also says in Hebrews, Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God...and also Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, Gal 4:20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you. Seems like we are having the full grown crowd standing in doubt.....is it an arrival or a trip? Seems it is a trip and most have yet to arrive. Does that mean one is to be relegated to a place where there is no appeal to be made or case to be stated that Christ is in me, the hope of glory? Christ in me ought to be a performance of that fact in the outward manifestations of all the things we hold dear. Not a paper chase.

Larry, it would help if you just stated plainly, what you're trying to get at. I don't have time to try and decipher exactly what it is you are asking or conveying. Seems to me that you're just over-using man's philosophies rather than just stating the truth.

Not wanting to seem rude, but I also didn't want to ignore your post, and you left wondering why, or assuming that I was without answer or being rude. I don't mind responding to your posts, if you will in fact, just state plainly, your point.

Otherwise, I'm afraid I'll just leave them alone. I don't like trying to read between lines. I'd rather a person just say what they mean.

In His Love,
Suzanne

I am not writing in circles. I am saying not all are mature in the word and that should not be a prerequisite for evaluating a Christ in me relationship that gives evidence to the rest of us ....Not wanting to seem rude...but you always come across as having the trump card...and perhaps others of us are not playing with a full deck or maybe using jokers...as a pastors wife I am sure you have heard folks make a case of one thing or another that you had to work at grasping the intent...people do that...I used scripture in my reply and therein the message comes out that we are learning and growing and moving toward perfection...so as we go forward we should not have to suffer commentary like "that is no excuse." Being left alone at times is an act of obedience.

That was YOUR statement.......not mine.


I'm just trying to state the obvious.
You can't have Christ in you, without His Word.


In His Love,
Suzanne

Considering they are integral one to another you are correct. But it ought not to lessen the one who has not every whit of it installed.

It was never stated in the way you are implying. Again, I merely stated the obvious. It seems as though you are hyper-sensitive in regard to it.


In His Love,
Suzanne

I can't say really...I guess it is not so much that in a direct sense...it is more like the underlying sense that one has to have somehow attained perfection in the outward long before the season. Inward perfection is there...created in Christ...Eph 2:10...I want to come back and quote humblebob from a thread...as below...



TSH you and I are those kind that agree at a level and jostle at another. I have no bone with you. I have a bone with any word based instruction set that overstates the case for obedience...Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? This is the nutshell I think...any believer that is more than name only will follow through. Even if in a limited way. People are different. We always seem to present an inclination that salvation hangs in the balance on any of a number of these issues. Not expressly stated, but subliminally.

I sense your dissappointment in my being your soul responder thus far.

What kind of a believer do you make me out to be? Obedient or rebellious? Loose cannon? Unversed in the word? The pic below is not my statement.

what then do people have to do to get his word since you are questioning larry d i know were larry d is comming from

do we have to grovel to prove to you and those who like to hold on to the law and old ways that we have the word in us ?

or is the word only for those who call them selves true christians

remember jesus preached to the jews and it was the jews that rejected him the word you are talking about tsth was meant for the jews


is this going to be were we have people comming from diffrent forums to were we who are members of this forum have to grovel to show you that we have christ in us ?

so please tell me tsth since i see this judgmental spirit in you do i have to grovel to you to prove to you that the word is evident in me

do i have to grovel to you tsth does larry have to grovel to you


also why are you hear ?

i tend not to go to worthy forums that much even though my account is active i like it hear i like what is being offered hear my usser name is still active its damo1 i use damo7 when i am hear



God bless from damo

there are also people who cant read and who are blind

we are noticing this in my country in australia their are aborigonal tribes that have stuck to their origonal language not all aborigonal people can speak english or can they read and write in english they have their own langauge even though they all look the same

we also have australians who cant read or write but can speak english very well


for those that hear the gospel preached on sundays if they can get to a church is the word in them do they have to prove they are true christians to where they grovel and show you that christ is evident in them

when my son was born we noticed he could not form the words normal children form we had to take him to a center called the door center it cost us a lot of money but they helped my son to the point were he can read and talk


when he was little i would sit him on my lap and read to him all he could do was point to the pictures he was seeing i would say rabbit or cat and i found he could not form the words a normal 3yr old or 1yr old can he could not even say mum or dad but he new who his parents were

so what do we do with the ones who cant read or write or speak our language since the gospel was preached in its origonal langauge did the disciples have to prove christ was in them did paul had to prove christ was in him ?

he was still feared among the disciples ananias did not even want to take paul into his home he was scared of him

are the pastors and leaders who reach out to the ones who cant read should they be focusing only on the special people who have had a good education and tend to stick to the law ? to were they let the ones who cant read suffer come judgment day ?


God bless from damo

damo, she torques me by the innocuous rules of communal exchange. It has to do with offering of words. The act of doing so invites reply. I thank you for this but I have to say if I was not expecting to be bleeped I would not post in the first place. I guess I take issue with her strength as compared to my seizures. I gasp and choke in the presence of those who effuse righteousness that has it`s acclaim from the centre of self. The veiled appeal that these parties of like ilk have some form of oneupsmanship in the spiritual arena. Good words are toasted and evil words are roasted. The one that wins is boasted. I limp away at times. I crawl at others. I even get to stand in my own weak affirmations at times. It is a challenge I accept. I am beyond help.

To Tsth


hear is something i want to leave and i would like you to tell me with out looking at your bible if you were to hear this being preached would you understand what i am saying by the verses i am going to leave from the croation bible


The Gospel of John




John 1


1 u pocetku biJase Rijec i Rijec bijase u Boga i Rijec bijace Bog

2 ona bijase u pocelku u Boga

3 sve postada po njoj i bez nje ne postade nista Svemu sto postade

4 u njoj bijase zivot i zivot bijase ljudima svejello

5 i svjello u tami svijelli i tama ga ne obuz


now you should now the gospel of john very well if you were to hear this for this first time would you understand what i have given you ?

as i said the jews were the ones jesus preached to and he preached to them in their own language he did not preach to the jews in english

now wil you tel me or any croation is his word evident in us ?


know did jesus come for the ones who can only speak english or did he say take this gospel to all the nations and to all the peoples of this nations or did he say only preach this gospel to the americans who can speak english and dont preach this gospel to the ones who cant speak english ?



7 on dobe kao svjedok nego da posvjedoci za Svjello da svi vjeruju po njemu


he came as a wittness to bear wittness about the light that all might believe through him



but i am sure we have better things we can be doing if we can find the time to come on line and ask other christians if christ is in them i am sure we can be doing what christ wants us to do like making sure this gospel most have takken advantage of to were some have become fat pigs you can be reaching out to the ones who yet need to hear this gospel especialy those who cant read


hay i am changing i am seeing what responsablitys falls on a pastor and since my fincee is a female pastor i have also become very prottective over her

i tend to stay clear from that judgmental spirit

i can speak two language i wil know be learning a third lanaguage i wil not ask my in laws and my members is christ in them is his word evident in you


i know his word is evident in our members




God bless from damo

Here is my concern. I asked a question in regard to my post/thread.





I would HAVE TO ASSUME by your responses, since they are coming across as opposing............that your answer would be "NO". Even though neither one of you actually answered the question outright...you just responded with something else that had nothing to do with the actual question.


So, how does that make me "the bad guy"?


And I have to ask, "why"?


In His Love,
Suzanne

your questions are judgemntal and your question has been answered honestly the disciples had christ we have our bibles we did not have christ did jesus ask any of them am i in you ? is my word evident in you ?

though you are with in your rights to disagree by what i have said and i tend not to take that free will of you i am also with in my rights to question what you leave

were we are in our walk with the lord should not be your concern god does not expect me to grovel or prove weather his word is evident in my life

and i should not have to grovel or prove to you weather his word is evident in me

i dont do this with our members in the philippines we give our members over to god we dont force our views on our members we alow them to study and when we are asked a question we wil answer that question honestly

we dont seek for the old ways or do we put other pastors down

if you tend to seek for the old ways wil you handle being submissive will you alow your husband to be the head of your house hold with out be littling him ? wil you alow god to do what he has to do in your kids lives with out shielding them

the world has changed what the world does is none of your concern what a non believer does is none of your concern judgment starts from with in

what a teen ager does and what that parent does and how they raise their kids is none of your concern if a teen ager refues to believe in god and decides to follow their friends its none of your concern

you are to focus on what god wants you to deal with i dont ask the members hear to prove to me if they are true christians

i tend to stay clear from the judgmental spirit i see in some christians and i have gotten very prottective over my fiancee who is a female pastor its so easy to judge when we just sit and hear the word being preached

but hear is my question if you were called to lead and were ordained and god directed you to a church were he wanted you to lead and guide the members would your attitude change ?

christians are very good at putting down our leaders


i use to do this too until god dealt with that judgmental spirit

i see nothing posative by what you have been asking larry d but he can handle him self and does not need me stepping in deffending him


i noticed you avoided what i had left for you i said what do we do with the ones who cant speak and read ?

do we question the ones from other nations and have them prove to us that christ is in them ?

is this what we are to do with new christians wear we just judge with out letting god do what he has to do in that persons life




God bless from damo

Obey the word or obey the Spirit...Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.

Notice the scripture says, ""whatsoever He shall hear" (implying yet to occur instances of hearing) )not what He heard or spoke in the past...

The word of God from before the cross has it's own obedience set. The word of God after the cross has another. My argument is intrinsic to the fact that you are known to expound scripture from a dogmatic law based mindset. That is not the way of this life. Gentiles have never been under the law. A church in transition married a part of the law....they were Jews after all...Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Our modern day church does not deal a lot with meat offered to idols not drink blood or strangle our food...we are told elsewhere to flee fornication...that is a dynamic that transcends this set of circumstances. I mention these verses simply because the next argument to "prove" the church must suffer obedience to a law or standard of precross obedience usually begins here. Jesus and the word are one. But with wisdom and understanding of the time and circumstances and to whom it was addressed.



This is a statement that raises the bar on any expression of being accepted rather than condemned.

This does not seem to be an issue with the masses...no one but three are involved...and we to what end?

To TSTH


hear is something i would like to leave you and if you can i would like for you to respond


we have 32 inmates in Bacolod prison who have given their lives to god every day my father in law and two deakons from our main church go to the prison and hold bible study groups with the inmates that have given there lives to god these inmates will never get the chance to sit in a church service or wil they get the chance to share in a church service or in a crusade

my father in law and the two deakons that have been running the bible study group in Bacolod prison encourage the prisoners who have given their lives to use the gifts god has given them from with in the jail

the prisoners that have given there lives are changed men these men have committed murder some have been busted for dealing drugs sevral have been done for rape and we have 4 guys who are from other countrys who have been cought for smugling drugs into the philippines we also have two guys who are doing life they wil never know what its like to be loved by a women or will they be able to walk freely and attend our services

the warden is very happy with the out reach service we offer to the inmates he often makes time to hear the word preached when my father in law and the two deakons are there they spend 3hrs with the inmates every day and on the weekend 4hrs every sunday they have their own church service were a priosner who has given his life gets the chance to preach

when i am visiting my fiancee i love preaching in the mens jail in Bacolod i feel more alive and i feel very safe with the prisoners no harm has come towards me or my father in law or the two deakons that go with him

do i know tell the 32 prisoners who have given their lives to god they have to know grovel to were they prove to christians like your self christ is in them and his word is evident in them ?

i told the prisoners when i was their in jan 2008 they do not have to be ashamed of who they were and i warned them that their are christians who will judge them and i said you dont have to grovel to no one


i find what you leave very judgmental tsth its like you are craving for the old ways you tend to stick to the law and the topics you leave in this forum shows me how judgmental you are that is one of the reasons i left worthy forums


not one person backed me up when i needed some one to back me up you had certain members causing trouble and when i decided to pull one member up i get banned for a month to wear my posts i wanted to leave in worthy forums were being read


i hate this holy though attitude i see in certian christians i experianced this when i was a young christian i had one christian tell me to my face that god will not alow you to pastor a church i shared what my hearts desire was i wanted to go to bible collage i wanted to get my ba in ministry this christian went out of his way to were he caused me nothing but trouble always in my face always questioning what my pastor was doing with me telling my pastor i should not even be allowed to go on out reach or attend the sunday morning service

i was told to ignore him by my two pastors he was very educated he also wanted the old ways

well he did not last long he left


did christ ever expect this of the disciples ? did christ expect the disciples to grovel to him to were they have to prove weather what he was teaching them was evident in them ?

they had jesus 24 / 7 we have our bibles they saw miracles happen right in front of them jesus said what i can do you can do this too heal the sick cast demons out preach the word walk on water peter nearly made until he began to doubt and when he doubted he began to sink he had to call out to jesus for help often jesus had to rebuke peter but jesus never put peter down he never said to the disciples you have to have an education to do what i am going to teach you

i will not tel the inmates i am getting to know what i am hearing from certain christians


but what i will do is warn them i have though learnt something since i have been on these forums it has shown me what jesus would have seen with his own eyes

i come hear for fellowship i like it hear i like what this forum has to offer and i like some of the people that i am getting to know

debating also has helped me in my walk it has helped me to come out of my shell i never expected to be given a computer and when i decided to have the inter net connected in my home i was told to join a christian forum


God bless from damo

Dear damo,

I have not posted attacks toward you at all. Not once. I have no desire to.
I merely choose to bring glory to God and His Word.
I intend to keep it that way.

In His Love,
Suzanne

Here's another verse that applies to this topic:

Revelation 3:8

I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name.


In His Love,
Suzanne

I am confused as to the cause of contention in this thread.

I, personally, really did not read any "holier than thou" attitutude in the words that Tsth left in her post.

While I did not go back and read the "Christ in You" thread.. I only concentrated on what she had written at the beginning of this thread.

Actually, the scripture that came to mind when reading it was:

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. - 1 Peter 1:23

and that verse seemed, (to me, at least), to answer her question.. we are born again, by the incorruptible seed - the word of God

if the Word of God is Jesus, then it must be Christ in us..

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where is the holier than thou attituted in posting that Jesus is the word..
(as I said, the original post did not seem to be pointed at any one person.. regardless of who started the Christ in You thread)

and when Larry replied in this thread, I didn't understand what he wrote either.. Suzanne, just simply asked him to write plainly,
for which I was glad.. hoping to follow along, without having to read between the lines - since I'm inept at such things.

and because she did, contention takes place???? I don't understand?!

And, Damo.. where? did she ask anyone to grovel? did I miss something??

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i just shake my head at the things that bring contention .. not only in this thread.. but in others..

and yet, I have seen heresy posted on this board.. and no replies are made?
(one might say, "Hey! if you see heresy.. you could reply.. and my answer is.. among all the others
here who post, I am the least able to aptly defend things.. and, so I leave that to others who are much
more skilled to do so)

Anyhow.. I just don't understand it - how quickly (and not in this thread only, but in sooo many, how quickly
one brother/sister jumps down another brother's/sister's throat..

Ohhhh, how it grieves my spirit.. and must certainly grieve our Lord.

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Podnosite nedostatke drugih i praštajte onima kojima imate što zamjeriti. Kao što je Gospodin vama oprostio, tako i vi opraštajte drugima

and for those who do not know the language above.. May the Holy Spirit bring birth of these words into your body, soul and spirit..

Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

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Ne budite sebični ni umišljeni. Budite ponizni i smatrajte jedni druge većima od sebe

Be devoted to one another in brotherly love; give preference to one another in honor


This is not a rebuke.. it is an opportunity to show the love of Christ

FWIW, I don't believe I posted at all in the "Christ In You" thread. I merely stated that after reading it, I was prompted to ask the question in this one.

That's all.


P.S. - HeIsFaithful, thank you for sharing that verse. I believe THAT was most applicable! Excellent Word!


In His Love,
Suzanne

I do not call my input contention. Nor do I write so you have to read "between the lines." It is an English vocabulary, and although I use words that are of a higher order, they are really every day words available to all. I am not into singular expression or demonic wit. I simply have the command of words. That ought to be looked upon as a gift, not as some misdemeanor. I can read the bible and find expression after expression that has "between the lines" sentence structure... one example...Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

TSH is a good woman. She is not an evil woman. Nor is anyone here really. But there are times when one needs to rationale the differences. The basis of the perceived contention here is brought forward from other posts of TSH which indicate that she tends to dogmatic interpretation and writ rather that spirit. She has done so here again...



What about this?

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

You see we can all see a scripture...if I read this in a way I can see God is patient with us. We keep His word of patience. I do not know anyone here who has denied His name.

Courah ba sah la shunda la ma hooria.

Because I take the Word to mean what It says, I am dogmatic?


In His Love,
Suzanne

That's what they have called me when I see the word apart from the spirit.

You are minimizing the argument. The whole matter of scripture is the very interpretation of the word of God and how it is perceived to "mean what it says..." Do trees clap their hands? Do mountains sing? it says that also...Isa 55:12 For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap [their] hands.

There is more to reading the word of God for what it says than you would expostulate...For the lesser degree of glory....interpretation...to reason earnestly with someone against something that person intends to do or has done; remonstrate:

1Jo 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

i cant see how this is confusing if you know what spirit it is written in and what is being asked


how i see what the op has put is simple no one needs to say to another is christ in you

what i put is from what i observed since i have been a christian

i dont ask people that i know is christ in you is his word evident in you

christians are very good at manipulating and hidding behind the scripture passages they are so comfterbal with its like playing chess you make one move then i make the other move and if i answer right and respond to the way you want me to respond then you come along my side and agree

i dont do this when i put out my best scripture passages and use them as trump cards


yes you shake your head and i shake my head

we come from two diffrent worlds my friend i live in the real world i dont keep my pew warm i come before christ every day and i dont tend to have some one question weather christ is in me and his word is evident in me and i dont brag what is discussed in another post and say i need some light shone on the area i was having trouble in understanding what the person was really trying to say


i see this in this forum and i have seen this in the other forum i was involved in


what god does in a persons life is no ones concern

if you want to glorify god reach out to the ones in real need

we have people who cant read they are yet to hear this gospel preached


what i put was from my croation bible and i come hear to see some one is poking fun tsth was asked to answer simple questions since she expects us to answer her questions

god does not speak to one person or does he favor one country


but if you want to hide behind your scripture passages you are so use to go ahead this shows me what i picked up by what was being left in this post when a person is questioned they tend to hight tail it or have some one else defend them


God bless from damo

Here is the rest of the translation in the KJV. You should have gone ahead and posted the next verse, Larry:

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


Which again, is in agreement to the topic of this thread...and verifies the point I am trying to make.


In His Love,
Suzanne

and the Lord only knows.. and in times shows us..

His word has many! levels.. exactly what it says and more..

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life

May we all seek to have that word (and all of it .. little by little - or preferrably lots by lots) come to life in us..

and that would be glory for me

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In my spirit, I was reminded that, the other day, watching my 1 yr old granddaughter.. and thinking.. how quickly! she is learning things..

and as I pondered that later.. I desire to learn / know my Saviour in a deeper way, quicker than I have in the past

and in response to that desire, the Spirit said to my spirit.. see how she does something over and over and over again.. until it becomes natural, without even a second thought..

that is how it will be done..

I am learning.. and my soul rejoices when I see it in my brothers and sisters too..

that - is one of my prayers for all of those here.. [not specifically, this thread.. but particularly this forum]

More, more about Jesus..

More about Jesus I would know,
More of His grace to others show;
More of His saving fulness see,
More of His love who died for me.
Refrain:
More, more about Jesus,
More, more about Jesus;
More of His saving fulness see,
More of His love who died for me.
More about Jesus let me learn,
More of His holy will discern;
Spirit of God, my teacher be,
Showing the things of Christ to me.
More about Jesus, in His Word,
Holding communion with my Lord;
Hearing His voice in every line,
Making each faithful saying mine.
More about Jesus on His throne,
Riches in glory all His own;
More of His kingdom’s sure increase;
More of His coming, Prince of Peace.

I am losing sight of this debate. I will give it to you. Maybe it is the merry go round of words. I certainly have no issue with Jesus being the word of God. Nor do I have issue with obeying His word as far as that goes. Nor am I contrarian to the principal of a three in one God. I just do not have the composition to accept it with exactitude at face value...grammatical historical input. It runs deep and is louvred to the generations which receive it.

I would like to go back to your posting of the Word, HeIsFaithful. Also would consider these along with it, in regard to having The Word IN YOU:


John 5:38 But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.

John 8:37 "I know that you are Abraham's descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.

Mark 7:13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do."

Ro 10:8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach):





We must have the Word in us, and continually keep It there!


James 1:18 Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.

James 1:21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.


Matthew 4:4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.' "



In His Love,
Suzanne

Good show .....

This thread is an offshoot of my thread, "Christ In Me" and to cover the basics, Christ in me is His Spirit in me manifesting in me those things which demonstrate the power and conviction of a redeemed person to outflow to the world those things which give merit to the idea that the kingdom is within us and that we are living that kingdom life in this day and hour as a demonstration of what is to come. By obedience to His word and name. As witnesses of the truth.

1Th 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
1Th 1:6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:
1Th 1:7 So that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia.
1Th 1:8 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing.
1Th 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

well since you cant handle the croation bible and what i was wanting to point out


hear it is in plain simple english since the origonal language christ preached in was jewish and their were hebrews and greeks and others from diffrent countrys pressent when the holy spirit fell on the disciples in the upper room




Jude 1



3 Beloved although i was vey eager to write to you about our common salvation i found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints


1 - 4 for certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation ungodly people who pervert the grace of our god into sensuality and deny our only master and lord jesus christ




what i tend to do is do what christ is expecting of me as a person i also want to make sure my people get the chance and i want to make sure those who the church will not reach out to get the chance to hear the gospel preached


my desire is to do what christ expects of me he is turning what i destroyed around i am having to stay on the path with out looking to the left or to the right


i just came back from dinner to read what has been left if you tend to poke fun at some one who puts up a verse from the gospel in john written in his own language it shows me you tend not to hear what is being said and what is being expected of one poster


and how we are to respond

were did i say the op was opposing attacks towards me i simply wanted the op to respond

and i see that my questions could not be answered paul says see to it brothers that you do not argue among your selves paul also says he wants men to lift hands up to god in prayer with out quarreling or arguing


do i see were we can discuss a certain question in honesty no


all i see is i love him more than you love him and i tend to prove this to you on a christian forum


what should be done is doing what christ taught his disciples and then you go to the gospel of john and look at what jesus said in john 17


John 17


3 And this is eternal life that they know you the only true God and Jesus christ whom you have sent


4 i glorified you on earth having accomplished the work that you gave me to do

have we accomplished the work he has given us to do ?


6 i have manifested your name to the people whome you gave me out of the world yours they were and you gave them to me and they have kept your word


the disciples had jesus they kept his word we have our bibles who do we thank ? since we cant see god or cant see christ ?


7 now they know that everything that you have given me is from you

8 for i have given them the words that you gave me and they have received them and have come to know in truth that i came from you and they have believed that you sent me

who did we believe when we were convicted on the day we found our selves down the front in a church full with strangers having a man we dont know lead us threw the sinners prayer ''

who was it that made you believe to were you had enough faith to get out of your seat and walk down the front and say the sinners prayer with a person you do not know but this man was wiling to lead you threw the sinners prayer with out judging you what made you believe

remember the disciples had christ we have our bibles i had a man who i did not know lead me threw the sinners prayer when i decided to have the courage to take that leap of faith i dont see christ or do i see god all i have is his spirit leading me and helping me as i read my bible


God bless from damo

To continue on,

What does the Word do, in us? (Remembering that His Name IS The Word)


John 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled. 13 "I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. 14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.

17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.


With regard to verse 12, remember James 1:21?

James 1:21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.


In His Love,
Suzanne

his word does something in us it makes us believe as i said they had jesus we have our bibles


how will you make a non believer believe since all you have is his word and your bible ?




John 16 English standard version



1 i have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away


who keeps us from falling away ?


12 i still have many things to say to you but you cannot bear them know


13 when the spirit of truth comes he will guide you into all the truth for he will not speak on his own authority but what ever he hears he will speak and he will declare to you the things that are to come


John 1 English standard version 1 - 5

in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God

he was in the beginning with God


all things were made through him and without him was not anything made that was made


in him was life and the life was the light of men





what was so hard when i had put the same verses in a diffrent language ? this showed me when one person could not handle what i had put in my own language what john was saying to me and to come and hear some one poking fun by what i put from my own bible

this is why i tend to but heads with christians who tend to hide behind the passages they have gotten so comfterbal with

jesus said living this life is not going to be easy jesus never promisses us that living this life is going to be easy


so why is it when a brother from another country pressents what you read in your english bible in his own language to show you that christ does not talk to one person or one cultured group its like you could not handle hearing the word pressented in my language and you wonder why so many hated what the word had to say to the ones who were living in sin the jews hated what the word had to say to them to the point were they wanted a thug set free and jesus put in his place

he is faithful though was able to copy what i had left and say this is not a rebuke


i will but heads with christians who make it hard for other christians to move forward this is just the way i am

i reach out to the poor i hang out with the inmates who wil never get a chance to walk into a church i sit on a gutter and can talk to a street kid or home less person with out being offended or say brother you stink you need a bath


christians though are good at playing church judging and its always the ones who tend to seek the old ways that are the trouble makers

christ delt with the sadducees and the pharisees not once did he run to his father and say dad i give up

i could have walked away from this toppic but i will not walk away i wanted to be able to pressent what you are so use to hearing in english and show you what the word says in my language but i feel this cant be done hear no offence to larry d i like what larry d has to say and i like what i see in larry d


God bless from damo

God's WORD is written in your heart...NO greater love than this that a man lay down his life for a friend...

and all Prophecy is furfilled in this LOVE the LORD with all your heart and with all your strength and all your soul...and your neighbor as thyself...

Jesus is always with you and WILL GIVE you the words to speak...when we seek, ask and knock.He loves that we desire to please him in our everyday lives in all situations we face in our lives...HE knows when you seek him in Truth to honor and worship him in truth and have a spirit of peace and grace towards God and your fellow man. He sees your heart...so in all things be honest and he will reward you in the presence of his Peace and guide you every step of the way. For he has already prepared a place for you, and walks before you KNOWING the beginning and the end.

When we seek Jesus' face I also believe that we are made in his Image, therefore with everyone you meet speak the truth and KNOW that as long as you seek Jesus in them, and ask, he will reveal His Grace and Face to you. and ask for their hearts to be open in responding to the LOVE and free gift of Grace and the Salvation of God. God's blessings to you.

So, are you trying to tell others that the Bible is not necessary?


I hope not.


In His Love,
Suzanne

Are you just trying to trap Christians, like the Pharasees did to Jesus. Jesus didn't have a Bible with him, he spoke the words that his Father WHO SENT HIM gave him.

AND, No I am not saying that the Bible is not necessary if it is a available it is good to have but Jesus does give us the words, which do come forth from the WORD WITH GOD, (Christ seated at the right hand of the Father whom makes INTERCESSION on our behalf and we are also with him BEFORE the foundations of the World) if it is not available( the book at our side) it is written (the spirit of God's word is TRUTH) in our heart and gives us a heart to show Christian love and grace...through Jesus our Mediator.

The Glory of the LORD is all around us...but it is HE that reveals the inner man and draws man to himself. And he does reveal himself all around the world we have heard the testimonies of Jesus appearing to many...those whom are oppressed from the TRUTH....and the TRUTH shall set them free even while they live in a country that oppresses them outwardly...but inwardly Jesus is giving them strength to endure .
IN THE MIDST of the STORM he is always there. JESUS IS LORD...AMEN

(and REMEMBER that JESUS told his disciples to go forth and preach the gospel...and it does not say that they carried any WRITTEN SCRIPT (which would have been the TORAH at that time) he told them HE WOULD GIVE THEM THE WORDS TO SPEAK....

I know there are many that have died and never had a Bible at there side. and possibly never heard of JESUS, but saved by the Grace of GOD..AND the LOVE and Grace of GOD can SHOW UP anywhere, anyplace and through any vessel he so desires to REVEAL HIMSELF (JESUS CAN AND WILL DO WHAT HE WANTS WHEREVER HE WANTS TO FOR HE LOVES ALL PEOPLES.. REMEMBER he even spoke through a donkey?

WHY BECAUSE HE IS GOD and I AM NOT.

So when Jesus told his disciples to go FORTH and Teach the GOSPEL what did they teach?

the GOOD news of the Cross...and the Golden rule...which is in it's fullness through Christ Jesus our LORD and Savior.


AND HIS GRACE IS SUFFICIENT...God's blessings to you

Jesus didn't have the Word with Him, because He IS the WORD.


Something to think upon:


2 Thess 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

13 But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.


John 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.


You cannot just make up God's Word, by your feelings. These will destroy man every time. That is why "doctrine" is so important and necessary. Otherwise, we will begin to make up the god of our imagination.

Revelation:22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Remember what you began with. It was by the hearing of the Word of God. That was the starting point, not the end. That is why, in the beginning "was the Word."

1 John 2:24 See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.

Rev. 3:3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.


There is a reason that the Most High God, has kept His Word generation after generation. Haven't you ever wondered why/how in the world the Bible has outlived any other book in time, and is prevalent? This is why the term "Scriptures" are used in the Bible. If the Bible is "inspired by God" don't you think it is for a reason?

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Matthew 13:20 The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy.

Mt 13:21
But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away.

Mt 13:22
The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.

Mt 13:23
But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."


The Scriptures are vital for the Christian to be able to understand Who God Is, and show us who we are as His Children. It is the instruction from our Father...and it is not to be ignored.

2 Thess. 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.


Why do you think "the lawless one" deceives? Because he appeals to those who want to live any way they "feel" like, rather than being yielded to the One Whose Name Is THE WORD OF GOD.


2 Thess 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

13 But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. 14 He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.


Beware, lest the "lawless one" deceive you.


In His Love,
Suzanne

2 John

1 The elder, 2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever: 3 Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father's Son, will be with us in truth and love. 4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us.

5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. 6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.

7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

12 I have much to write to you, but I do not want to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to visit you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete. 13 The children of your chosen sister send their greetings.



In His Love,
Suzanne

I know Jesus IS THE WORD...I did not say he was not..what I said is the FATHER and the SON are one and the Father SENT HIS SON and the SON SPOKE what the FATHER COVERED HIM IN...the HOLY SPIRIT...ONE WORD, ONE SPIRIT, ONE BAPTISISM.

How necessary are/were the Scriptures?

You Decide:

The Scriptures


In His Love,
Suzanne

Oh my...you just don't stop do you?

2 Timothy 3:12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


In His Love,
Suzanne

Don't you think the holy scriptures in question that made Tim wise unto salvation is the OT ones that portend Jesus. We like to imagine that Tim read the same book we did. But he only had the first half. This passage was not "scripture" to Tim...it was a letter from his mentor.

Are you saying we can do without it?

Seriously, I'm not sure what your point is?


In His Love,
Suzanne

My point is you have to know the reference level in question to determine the value of the words...if you were Tim at that moment in time, you would not have brought this scripture forward to prove your point. It was not a scripture at the time. He relied HEAVILY on OT word.

You're right, I am not Timothy. Those words were written at a particular time, for us to believe for this time. Just as the Words of Moses were for belief. He did not lie. The Book of 2 Timothy does not lie, and is still very applicable. We should not be as those before us who would not believe the writings that were inspired:


John 5:43 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. 44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God? 45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you--Moses, in whom you trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"


The passages were not just for Timothy, they are for US as well. That is why they are inspired.


In His Love,
Suzanne

But that is the case for Tim. He believed Moses. Believe it or not I believe Moses. I just don't believe Moses rules today. A prophet was raised up in his stead. Having a higher level of impartation. That impartation was given to Paul. I trust that. I agree that we have come to accept (long since) the words that Paul wrote to Tim in mentorship. In that we do well. It is just a fine line of understanding they were not scriptures in Tim's sight and that throws the scent back to Moses as the originator of the context Tim took as the words that made him wise to salvation. If you wrote me a letter that was spirit led, I would accept it as truth but I would not call it scripture. Paul was not even calling that particular verse of his letter scripture.

The point is, we have had Holy Scriptures available to us as well, even in childhood...and they are applicable to us. They are the Word of God to us, as well. We need them just as much as Timothy did.

1 Peter 1:13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance; 15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy." 17 And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; 18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you 21 who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

24 because "All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of the grass. The grass withers, And its flower falls away, 25 But the word of the Lord endures forever." Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you.


In His Love,
Suzanne

Can you have the gospel preached outside of the Word of God? Or is the gospel, The Word?


In His Love,
Suzanne

Once again this was not scripture to Peter. It maybe to us..but the incorruptible word of God he referred to was past tense OT What bible do you think Peter had? TORAH