I have read of an account where the devil made his own angels, after all he was thinking that he's god and having the power to create.

Then I went back to the Bible and read something Christ said in a different light.

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


"his angels" as in the devil creating his own.

God gives nothing to the devil.

Satan is not God. I don't believe he has the power to create. He mimics. And in the Torah....it describes what happened.

God gave the Angels one choice to choose who they would follow. And Satan took a 1/3 of the Angels with him. They chose Satan instead of God and these fallen angels are now demonic spirits.

hi~

indeed, you have well said, Chloé ~ as it is written in Revelation 12:7 - 9 (akjv), 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found anymore in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

know of certainty that the devil is penalized in the earth while ruling two under his wings ~ angels that have chosen to follow his doctrine rather than the LORD's & also, children that have chosen to follow his doctrine rather than the LORD's & from these are the Giants made which continue to exist as much as an abomination today the same as in the time of Noah. very important similarities between then & the time appointed, even now.

~levite-7

They are his angels because they pledge their allegiance to him....one day I hope to see how all that could be...living in an etenal realm with peace all around and still being able to desire to subvert God...

I know satan is not the god, but does anyone know what satan thinks he is?

Did satan not tempt Jesus that he be worshipped, after all it is a god that is worshipped.

Matthew 4:9
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

so from this scripture it can be seen that satan thinks himself a god as he offered to Christ the things of this world if in return Jesus would bow and worship him. A meglomaniac thinks him or herself as a god and desires worship.



Well God can create, so if satan "mimics" then by definition he can also create, except to mimic God what satan might create is a forgery, a lie, a false copy. If satan cannot mimic God's ability to create, then what is it that satan mimics of God if one believes satan can only mimic?



What makes this belief unscriptural is the word "choice" is inserted in the referencing scripture (Rev 12:7) when Revelation states only Michael and his angels fought with the dragon and his angels, and the dragon was cast out of heaven with his angels. Nothing mentioning in scripture saying "the angels making a choice fought along side with the dragon and were cast out for their choice." That view is inconcise, assumes too much and makes it unscriptural.

For once, question the fairy tale explanation of these things

hi~

the devil is a fraction, a shadow, a distorted limitation of the LORD's glory, do you not know what the devil's first estate was? did the LORD give Cherubs power to create as the LORD can create? did it say anywhere since the beginning that Cherubs created anything of their own accord, especially angels? more-so, consider the devil as his tail pulled a third of the stars of heaven down with him - there are several classes of angel in heaven, ALL created by the LORD & none other. ask yourself, what class of angel allied itself by choice to the devil's doctrine.

of a truth, you give the devil too much credit. it is true that the devil glorifies himself to be above the most high, but his methods are limited spiritually & are earthly in execution. the magicians of Egypt stood up to Moses, to a point - that goes to prove that the devil & his brethren are limited despite his boast.

~levite-7

I dunno. If Satan was a son of God (Job 38:7), and he went bad, I suppose that other created or born angels could have also.

He is the father of lies (Joh 8:44), and, there are lying spirits, is he the father of them somehow?

Then there are demons, are they literal fallen angels, or, are they something different? Do fallen angels inhabit people, or, evil spirits? I've heard that demons are the spirits of the giants, but, that's from a non-canonical book. It does pose an interesting question. Jude says some fallen angels are bound in darkness, and Paul says some are ruling from the heavens (powers, principalities etc). So, would that make demons different, spirits of something? Dunno.

Humble Bob.....

I think Satan puffed himself up and wanted to be like God. But Satan was still a created being.

I think everything he does is either deception based or he tries to mimic the powers of God.

But it is never the REAL thing. And I do not believe that he has any power whatsoever to create life.

Afterall... One of the names he is known by is, the Destroyer.

Hey Levite! How are you brother? I hope all is well with you.

Just wanted to say hi.

Well, there are some good responses here, but I want to clarify some things.

One, I've not given one iota of credit to the devil, so for anyone to think I have done so that is not my thought but yours. Please keep that in mind.

Second, creation and creating things is really not a big deal if one considers man create things many times and more often without crediting God for what man creates.

I can give many examples from history and from a diversity of fields, from engineering, to medicine, to architecture, to politics, to law, etc. Much of our society has been built on invention that man would credit himself with and not give credit to God.

So if the notion that the devil has an ability to create anything was ludicrous to me I would be inclined to think the idea that man also can create anything is just as ludicrous. However, I'd get laughed at because any person can show me a building, a park bench, a car, a city, a whole civilization and say "Man built that, not God."

Furthermore, anyone thinking they can create something like a painting, write a song build a scultpure while the devil cannot create anything should really re examine that belief because they might be giving themself more credit than they realize.


Job 38:7
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

If satan was one of the sons of God and he went bad, that would have been when satan refused to worship God's image and sought to corrupt God's image (which satan did, see my other thread "If God..."). That would have been the moment pre-satan went bad.
...Yep, Researcher this thread is connected to the other I posted.

So, If the devil created his own angels and the devil went bad so did his angels because his creation would follow it's creator.

Does anyone get it?

I'm ok with it, lol. I'm ok with pretty much anything, lol. Not like it's going to change the gospel or something, lol. Might just be, more truth. A more in-depth look. Continue on HB.

It is entirely possible, that Satan has bastardized some of God's creation... DNA alteration, in such a way to bring glory and dominion to himself in his battle against the Lord and His anointed. He has infiltrated all worldly organizations through these sub-human entities throughout the earth.


A grand conspiracy!

"The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying], Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us." Psalm 2:2-3

I'm sorry to disagree with you.

But...How? I don't think he can have children with humans.

That is actually crossing the line into some very dangerous territory to think such a thing. IMHO.

This is the same thing the Nazi's and men like Luther said. They indicated that the Jews came from the devil.

Please don't think that. It is totally wrong and evil to spread that kind of thinking around.

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. (Genesis 6:3)

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually." Genesis 6:4-5

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." -Jude 1:6

Yeah I dont think Satan has the power to create life/souls as we know it,,,,the angels were indeed given a choice,,,,if they would have chosen God most of them probley all of them would have had to be born from above,,,has Christ said....

They would have had to give up there angelic bodys and powers to be born in a weak flesh body,,,,,im thinking they rejected that idea and GOD....

The devil and his angels is more properly translated evil and it's messengers. Evil does not have a king that is why it can not stand. Evil is divided against itself.

satan is a angel

Ezek 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15: Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Satan was created.

16: By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17: Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

satan is evil, satan is the waster to destroy.


a angel is a

Heb 1v

7: And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

13: But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14: Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Ps 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

Satan said he will rise above God and be like the most high.

Isa 14v
12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13: For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

to be like the Most High is to be God.

satan is not a God ,yet people worship him above God. The Lord said he is no God.

Ezek 28v

8: They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.
9: Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.
10: Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

If you notice The scripture says I will cast you out It doesn't say I did, or have cast you out. Merchandise and trade is a earthly thing of man. God was making light of the defiled wisdom of a type of man.

Ezekiel 28
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.


This is what the whole chapter of twenty eight is about.

Ezekiel 28
2 "Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre, 'Thus says the Lord God: "Because your heart is lifted up, And you say, 'I am a god, I sit in the seat of gods, In the midst of the seas,' Yet you are a man, and not a god, Though you set your heart as the heart of a god
3 (Behold, you are wiser than Daniel! There is no secret that can be hidden from you!
4 With your wisdom and your understanding You have gained riches for yourself, And gathered gold and silver into your treasuries;
5 By your great wisdom in trade you have increased your riches, And your heart is lifted up because of your riches),"
6 'Therefore thus says the Lord God: "Because you have set your heart as the heart of a god,
7 Behold, therefore, I will bring strangers against you, The most terrible of the nations; And they shall draw their swords against the beauty of your wisdom, And defile your splendor.

If you notice The scripture says I will cast you out It doesn't say I did, or have cast you out. Merchandise and trade is a earthly thing of man. God was making light of the defiled wisdom of a type of man.

Ezekiel 28
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
This is what the whole chapter of twenty eight is about.

Ezekiel 28
2 "Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre, 'Thus says the Lord God: "Because your heart is lifted up, And you say, 'I am a god, I sit in the seat of gods, In the midst of the seas,' Yet you are a man, and not a god, Though you set your heart as the heart of a god
3 (Behold, you are wiser than Daniel! There is no secret that can be hidden from you!
4 With your wisdom and your understanding You have gained riches for yourself, And gathered gold and silver into your treasuries;
5 By your great wisdom in trade you have increased your riches, And your heart is lifted up because of your riches),"
6 'Therefore thus says the Lord God: "Because you have set your heart as the heart of a god,
7 Behold, therefore, I will bring strangers against you, The most terrible of the nations; And they shall draw their swords against the beauty of your wisdom, And defile your splendor.



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and when we head to Revelation 12 and read. we will read the Lord doing just that

7: And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8: And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Satan cast out as the Lord promised in Ezekiel

9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


and we read in the verse below that it took some time before Jesus decided to cast Satan out.
we read that the angels were accused by him day and night.

10: And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Satan accused these angels day and night before the Lord. until

Ezek 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.



when we head over to Luke we find Jesus being tempted by Satan, look at what Satan says to Jesus.
this merchandise he has was given to him by Jesus. If Satan will tempt Jesus with it for certain he will tempt us.

corrupt merchandise and corrupt trade is from Satan

Just trade and just merchandise is from God.

Satan had the merchandise before he was kicked out of heaven.

If it was in heaven first it must have had a purpose.

Jesus is not a vain God.

Lk 4
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

5: And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6: And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.7: If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

look at the other disciple reply
Mt 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Satan has to have something to tempt us with.

merchandise and trade is one source. yet it started in heaven.

as far as Ezekiel 28

this is talking about Satan, not man. when I read the verse I see that a man cannot fit this calling

yet Paul warned me of something higher and evil behind a high power.

Eph 6:
10: Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11: Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

here he is!! and he goes by the title of Satan.

this is the one behind the prince of tyre who Ezekiel speaks of. Not the man himself, but the one behind the man.

In tyre and amongst the king and prince of tyre Satan must have setup shop in that kingdom.

Rv 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Satan sets up his kingdom inside a kingdom.

hiya, Chloé ~ thanks!
ya, all is good these days - looking forward to a bit of rest & study this weekend.

lol, to continue on topic - there are hairs being split on what creation is. let's be clear about one thing, anyone can "create", but only God can create what God creates. none of us, neither man nor angel couldn't even begin to grasp that measure of awe. those that do are in delusion, for science can only go so far, occultism can only go so far since that is channeled from the devil. technology, lol = pride in development of complicated toys to further glorify vanity.

of a truth, the devil is subtle & would like nothing more to push the idea of his superiority; however, he is king nothing that sits on a pile of dust, coveting, spiteful & filled with wrath against they that speak against his earthly kingdom. TRUTH = he pulled the third part of stars away from heaven.

Revelation 12:4 (akjv) can further testify, 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

the stars (angels) already existed, he did not create they that rallied to his side.

~levite-7

Its strange how people think angels and humans are so different,,,,Angels ate human food all the time meat vegetables and other stuff,,,,humans ate angels food,,,,now if A angel can eat and digest human food why would they also not be able to pruduce sperma?????

it is not written!

Jesus said

Mk 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

when man rises from the dead they become a spirit being they neither marry nor are given in marriage.

but they are like the angels(spirits)which are in heaven.

the purpose of marriage is procreation.

spirits don't procreate.

Luke makes it clearer

Lk 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

the children of this world marry, the children of this world is flesh and blood.

35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

at the resurrection we are in a different world, a world of spirits and not flesh.

Hi sister Annie

Man has corrupted the earth not Satan.

Go back to the beginning to understand the end.

Man became wicked

Gen 6v
5: And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6: And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7: And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

notice the Lord said I will destroy man, beast fowls and creeping things. (all flesh and blood) Remember Satan was here also and the third of the angels. yet you see no mention of spirits

11: The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

the earth was corrupt before God. who corrupted the earth?

12: And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

all flesh

13: And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

now let's fast forward to the time beyond us, not to far ahead.

Mt 24

1: And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2: And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3: And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

15: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

37: But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38: For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39: And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40: Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41: Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42: Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

man has physically destroyed the earth.

God told man to put on the whole armour of God

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13: Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14: Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15: And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16: Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

17: And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

18: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

hi~

man became wicked by spiritual temptation of the serpent & his host. in the beginning, did not the LORD make everything good & very good? if the serpent had not meddled to tempt in the spirit & his tree not present in the garden, where would the man be this day?

still in the garden of Eden, for Adam was made good by the LORD. after the fall, the serpent was cursed by the LORD to continually bruise our heel until the end of days - it is a spiritual warfare continually where the devil will stop at nothing to hinder peace & sanctification in the LORD through the blood of His sacrifice. true, we have choice to deny the devil, but the devil - by the curse - will not give up even against the most anointed.

~levite-7

and a Hello to you Levite

man was given a choice to listen to God. He did not.

Satan was laying there in the Garden waiting for the opportunity to tempt man.

Satan did not pollute or destroy the earth physically.

satan spirtually corrupted the mind set of man and man did the rest.

yet man has a choice.

satan cannot stand if he has no support.

hi~

i'll ask you this ~ if the devil did not exist, nor his doctrine of good & evil - would Adam & the woman have sinned, knowing that the LORD not only made them good & very good, but in addition blessed them?

that singular eye in the back of the dollar bill is known as the prince of this earth, a glory that sons of belial has willingly given in worship. the devil is in control of this earth to the extent which the LORD allows, & they that have chosen to worship the devil do the devil's bidding. this babylonian system is a deadly reflection the devil's kingdom made manifest & he is the mastermind in spirit since the fall, like that of a puppetmaster. the devil has given commandment to his servants to pollute the earth. the devil has given commandment to his servants to seize positions of political & religious authority. the devil has given commandment to his servants to revive bab-el through a "new age" movement. yea, all commanded by him & indeed, his will is obeyed.

his existence is to devour until the time appointed. between the devil & his servants, the devil rules them, not the other way around, for the cherub is greater than men who know not God; as such, responsibility will be heaviest upon the devil's head when he is judged by our LORD, not only for the results of his rebellion against heaven, but more-so for being the instigator of actions made.

~levite-7

you are correct brother Levite in your point.

but, satan do exist, and he to was made perfect, he to had a choice. The angels had a choice and satan was able to convinve a third of them to follow him.



I agree with all of this. Yet satan has not polluted the earth himself. physically.

now on the spiritually side satan cannot do anything without OUR permission.


Jms 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

1Pt 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

9: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

10: But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

it all falls back to us(man)

even when we deal with the Lord

if we don't believe in him he cannot help us.

Mt 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

the same approach is applied when it come to satan

Jms 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.




I have to disagree

satan has a placed in the lake of fire for sure.

Man can get out of it before he gets in it.

satan can't

Man can have hedges placed around him by God for protection.

satan said to the Jesus

Job 10
9: Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

10: Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

11: But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

12: And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

man has the ability to have God protect him from satan.

resist the devil it says

it also says

Eph 6

10: Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11: Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil
.
12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness
of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13: Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14: Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15: And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16: Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

17: And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

18: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Hi Ozell,

I notice you begin to reference verses in Genesis 6 beginning with verse 5. Why?

To arrive at complete understanding of God's Word, we must begin with verse 1 through 4, which you chose not to reference.

Genesis 6:1 "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

v:2 That the sons of God ('bene ha elohim'; Heb.; angels) saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

v.3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

v.4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown."

...and corollary verses:

Jude 1:6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

v.7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

2Peter 2:4 "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

v.5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

v.6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly


The Bible does not state that angels were sexless. This is a distortion of Matthew 22:30, Mark 12:25 and Luke 20:35. Jesus does not refer to the angels 'sex' , but states that there is no reason to marry, because they are 'eternal', so there is no reason for them to procreate. As a matter of fact, in the Bible, angels and host of heaven, including God, are referred to as being male; not sexless.

2Corinthians 4:3 "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

v.4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."


BTW... in Ephesians 6, Paul is addressing the "brethren" beginning in verse 10:

v.10 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
v.11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
v.12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
v.13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

hi~

ask yourself ~ which men? men who know not God, or men that do? of a truth, men that know God will not be cast in, but men who know not God, nor keep the commandments of His Word will not have hedges, nor the armour that protects from the devil & shall share in the devil's burdens, but the devil is the father of evil & he shall be judged heaviest as such by the LORD. it is written in 1 Peter 5:8 - 9(akjv), 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

the behavior of a roaring lion ~ consider that.

the devil will flee from the faithful, only to re-group & strike again differently from the former -> poking & pushing for any cracks in the armour that he can exploit through temptations. the serpent will never stop until the end, for he hates ALL men, & neither shall we until the end. enmity between seeds as written from the days of Eden.

~levite-7

I am not sure about the spiritually side of things. I don't think the devil cannot corrupt anything spiritually because a corrupted thing was made corruptable and that which is not corrupted was made uncorruptable. The flesh was corrupted because it was made corruptable.

If the spirit was corruptable then Galations 6:8 for example would be in question

Galatians 6:8
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

But aside from the spiritual matter of things, the devil need not a persons permission to do what it wants. It is only God/Christ that permits or keep the devil from doing stuff that he wants to do.

Remember there are those who tried to command an evil spirit in the name of Jesus and failed

Acts 19:13-16
13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.

15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

Hi Sister

to get straight to the point.

Isa 28
9: Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10: For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12: To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13: But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.



To arrive at complete understanding of God's Word, we must begin with verse 1 through 4, which you chose not to reference.

I could have started at verse 1 and read into the verse I wanted, but I started at 6 for the point of time.
vs 1-5 will not take away from my point.




there are two types of son's of God in the bible. Many teach that these are angels. yet Jesus said as the angels in heaven

they of the resurrection neither marry or are given in marriage.

if the son's of God go into the daughters of men, the son's of God would have committed fornication.

fornication is a sin, then these sons of God could not be called God's sons.

If these are angels they could not be satans angels because of the words sons of God

if they are the angels of God in heaven then they should be kicked out because they sinned by committing fornication
because they cannot marry.

but there is another son of God that is over looked by the pastors of today.

Read the whole chapter I will go directly to the verse I want

Lk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

every man who kept the Lord's word is his son, every daughter that keeps his word is his daughter.

the lineage in Luke 3 comes down from Jesus to Adam, everyone in between kept his word.

take a look at Seth and Enos in Luke, now head over to Genesis and see what the Lord said about Seth and Enos

Gen 4
25: And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
26: And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

remember sister

Isaiah said line upon line precept upon precept

now we have a fleshly sons of God who can come into the daughters of men.

the spirit(angels) sons of God cannot come into the daughters of men without sinning and without making Jesus statement about marriage being a lie.

if the angels did sleep with women then they fornicated because they can't marry.



in verse 6 when did the angels leave there first estate.

Rv 12

7: And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8: And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10: And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

4: And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

before man was created

In Genesis you will see Satan already in the Garden before Adam was created. Isaiah14 and Ezekiel28 further explains.

v.7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

in verse 7 of Jude

Sodom and Gomorrha inhabitants are people, not angels.

ask yourself also, in Genesis 6 it says

1: And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2: That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3: And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

in Jude vs 6 these angels left there first estate and are reserved for Judgment.

why would the son's of God be reserved for judgment or fit any description in Jude?
Impossible.

again we have to go back to the beginning

Gen 13:13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.
Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6: And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

there is no correlation between Jude and Genesis 6

we have the son's of God whether you think they are men or angels they have to be sons of God.

that's a high title to be called a son of God.

the angels in Jude cannot fit that. so they have to be removed from the equation.




again in Peter this cannot be son's of God the angels because these angels sinned.

one cannot be a son of God and a sinner.



when the Lord said

Mt 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

we must ask ourselves what happens at the resurrection?
we must ask ourselves what is the purpose of marriage?
we already know the angels neither marry or are given in marriage.
we know that when we come up in the resurrection we also will neither marry or be given in marriage.
we also know we will be like the God's angels in heaven.

In the bible we cannot find one angel that is a female. yet there is a angel depicted as a female.

as far as the sex of angels, we know and can read that they are not made in the image of God, nor man.
Yet they can take on the form of a man.

we can read that man is in the image of God.

we can also read the Lord made a body for Jesus.

all this means something.

QUOTE

to be called a son or daughter of God one must have had on the armour of God.
to called a son or daughter of God one must be a sister or brethren of Jesus.
and nothing is hid or lost from the children of God.

Mt 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49: And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50: For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Luke 3v38

here are some of the brothers of Jesus that we can recognize or the Son's of God

23: And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph
, which was the son of Heli,
31: Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,
32: Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,
33: Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,
34: Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,
36: Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
37: Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
38: Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

The "sons of God" is referring to angels ... and they sinned. That's why God bound them... Jude 1:6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. "

They left their first estate when they came to earth to come into the daughters of men (Genesis 6:4).

No..."Sons of God" is not a high title.. just means angels (in this verse).

Where is there an angel being depicted as a female ?

Hi



Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Mt 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19: For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

a baby is born, as he or she grows it is what we give the child, it is what we allow to enter into the child's mind.

we can allow evil things to enter in, or we allow holy things to enter in.

as the child grows the intent of the heart is either Godly or evil.

Mt 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

so the child as he grows, he has a choice to whom he will serve. He has a choice whether to let evil come in or keep evil out, He has a choice to let remain the Holy things of God in or let it out.

for example

Mt 19
16: And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20: The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21: Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

1Tm 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.

we control whether Satan can come into our lives. when we sin we have permitted Satan to come into our lives.

we are told to resist the devil. put up a resistance. a act which we must do.


Let's go back to the beginning

Gen 3

1: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2: And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6: And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

STOP!!!

The Lord said in Genesis 2

15: And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16: And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam knew better he was COMMANDED by God.

7: And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Adam knew better for his understanding was opened.

8: And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9: And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

Notice the Lord called unto Adam first

10: And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11: And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

The Lord commanded Adam, but Eve was there also she heard!!

12: And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
13: And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14: And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


17: And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

Adam harkened unto his wife who in turn hearkened unto Satan.

I did not read where Satan made them to disobey God.




HE that soweth, again Paul is letting us know it is up to you and me.



then why are we told to put on God's armour and to resist the devil.

yes!! God is in control, but if we are on the wrong side of the fence(doing evil) who has allowed the Lord to send Satan after us?

God,
Satan
man




look what these Jews are called

vagabond Jews, exorcists

what do a vagabond or a exorcist have to do with the Lord?

Go Back to the beginning in Exodus when the Lord had Moses before Pharaoh and Pharaoh had his magicians.

who won?

evil can't cast out evil.

Righteousness cast out evil.

Hmmm... you still haven't answered any of my questions to your original post.

A son of God can be a human also. this is written

There are sons of God who are angels, There are spirits son of God
There are sons of God who are men, There is a sons of God that have the spirit of God in them.
There are sons of God that have to be spiritual, this covers both angel and man.

you said the word sinned.

this is the spiritual side of it

we have angels who sinned against God, are they son's of God?
we have men who sinned against God, are they son's of God ?

what are the qualifications of becoming the son's of God?

now lets deal with Jude 1v6

6: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

take note of the conditions these angels got themselves into. that alone would give me the eye of suspect

all angels are not considered son's of God. Lets jump to Job, where the pastors error at.

and we will see a separation.

Job2

1: [b]Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

2: And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

notice the separation between the Sons of God and then it says Satan came also.

Satan is not considered a son of God because of his actions, Satan is a angel. The angels in Jude followed Satan and they to are not sons of God.

obviously these sons of God report to the Lord as do Satan.

In Job these are angels who did not follow Satan.


amongst these are the 7 spirits that also go to and fro throughout the earth. Satan is not the only angel that do this.

they all report back to the Lord. this is written.



this is the major error.

what sons of God is Moses referring to?

we have angels who are sons of God

we have men who are sons of God.

except for Jesus the son of God in Luke 3 married and are given in marriage.

the angels the one's in heaven and those cast out of heaven(for they used to be there) do not marry or are they given to marriage.

which sons of God do Gen 4 speak of.



Luke 3 says adam and those of his lineage are sons of God even Jesus.



Zech 5
1: Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.
2: And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.
3: Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
4: I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.
5: Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.
6: And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.
7: And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.
8: And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.

9: Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

10: Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?
11: And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.




missed it?

News flash, this just in. The spirit is not corruptible for it is from God and it speaks to the soul. Just the same the flesh speaks to the soul but the flesh has been corrupted. So between the flesh and the spirit is the soul

That's pretty deep Bob. I like it.

Food for thought.

read that from the bible.

corrupt spirits

Acts 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

Judg 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

1Sam 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

1Sam 16:15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.

1Sam 16:16 Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.

1Sam 16:23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

1Sam 18:10 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.

1Sam 19:9 And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

evil spirits can enter a man making that man spirit become evil.

and the scary part is it came from the Lord.

a corrupt mind

1Tm 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

leads to corrupt conversation

1Cor 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearer

Jesus said

Matt12v
34: O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35: A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36: But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37: For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.


as far as the soul goes

Jesus said

Ezek 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezek 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

the soul can sin, so the soul can become corrupt

Lev 4:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:

Lev 5:1 And if a soul sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether he hath seen or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall bear his iniquity.

Lev 5:2 Or if a soul touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty.

Lev 5:4 Or if a soul swear, pronouncing with his lips to do evil, or to do good, whatsoever it be that a man shall pronounce with an oath, and it be hid from him; when he knoweth of it, then he shall be guilty in one of these.

Lev 5:15 If a soul commit a trespass, and sin through ignorance, in the holy things of the LORD; then he shall bring for his trespass unto the LORD a ram without blemish out of the flocks, with thy estimation by shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary, for a trespass offering:

the soul can become a corrupt thing as this flesh and the spirit.

it is written

I would disagree. The evil spirit can make a man want to do evil things, but it does not transform the man's spirit into an evil spirit. The evil spirit can be taken out leaving only the man's spirit. They are two separate entities.

Rom 7:20 But if what I would not, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.

An orange in a basket of apples doesn't turn them into oranges, Lol. You can pull the orange out and have all apples again.



How 'bout them apples..