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crownsevenalphabet
Did you know that the book of Habakkuk, was written as a dialogue or conversation between
God and the prophet Habakkuk ?

He first asked why God told him he would send the Babylonians to punish Judah (The Southern
Kingdom), Habakkuk became more concerned.

He DID NOT understand hoW God could USE the Babylonians, who were even more wicked than
the Jews.

God answered that ' THE RIGHTEOUS WILL LIVE BY HIS FAITH ' . . .

. . . AND ' that the Babylonians would also be judged '.



EXCERPT :

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=975

God’s Answer

(1:5-11)
God is doing something. He is raising up a foreign nation, the Babylonians, to come and destroy Judah. He tells Habakkuk, “You would not believe if you were told.”2 Why? Because they are really wicked. They were worse than the Jews.3 Verses 6-11 describe just how evil they are. The reason for this description is to show that they are so powerful, no one can stop them. They will certainly destroy Judah.

We see in verse 11 that they will be held guilty for their wickedness, but God is going to use them anyway.

Most of us have been praying for the evil in our society hoping for revival. What if God sent the Soviet Union or Sadam Hussein to conquer America, to instill communism or a dictatorship, imprison all the Christians, etc. What would you think about that answer? Would you say God didn’t answer your prayer?

This points us to another principle we can learn from Habakkuk. God doesn’t always give us the answers we want or expect. We usually have it in our mind how we want God to answer our prayers. When He does it differently, how do you respond?

What is Habakkuk’s response to the answer? ( GO TO LINK AND READ THE FULL AUTHOR'S ANSWER )


God’s Answer

(2:2-20)
Basically God's answer is this: Don't worry about the Babylonians, they will get theirs too.

He tells Habakkuk to write this down. What is about to happen is so certain, he should go ahead and record it.5 It may seem to tarry (vs 3) but it will happen.

When justice tarries, we have the feeling that it will never come, but God promises that it will. It is faith in God which makes us believe there is light at the end of the tunnel. It is “the light at the end of the tunnel” which helps us make it through. It is the pregnant lady’s knowledge that the pregnancy will finally end that helps her endure. It is the soldiers hope of escape or rescue that helps him endure as a prisoner of war. It is when there is no hope that people commit suicide.






Habakkuk ended his book with a psalm of praise : [ MY NEXT POST INSIDE THIS TOPIC WILL
BE THE PSALM OF PRAISE ]
crownsevenalphabet


http://www.webquestdirect.com.au/prophets/...p5_Habakkuk.htm

Key Themes/

Messages Sin and punishment

The book ends with a magnificent poem in praise of God's love and glory, reassuring its readers that God is in control and can be trusted.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Habakkuk

Habakkuk identifies himself as a prophet in the opening verse. Due to the liturgical nature of the book of Habakkuk, there have been some scholars who think that the author may have been a temple prophet. Temple prophets are described in 1 Chronicles 25:1 as using lyres, harps and cymbals. Some feel that this is echoed in Habakkuk 3:19b, and that Habakkuk may have been a Levite and singer in the Temple.[2]

There is no biographical information on the prophet Habakkuk; in fact less is known about him than any other writer of the Bible. The only canonical information we have comes from the book that is named for him.[3] His name comes either from the Hebrew word חבק (khavak) meaning "embrace" or else from an Akkadian word hambakuku for a kind of plant.[4][5]

Although his name does not appear in any other part of the Jewish Bible, Rabbinic tradition holds Habakkuk to be the Shunammite woman's son, who was restored to life by Elisha in 2 Kings 4:16.[4] The prophet Habakkuk is also mentioned in the tale of Bel and the Dragon, part of the deuterocanonical additions to Daniel in a late section of that book. In the superscription of the Old Greek version, Habakkuk is called the son of Joshua of the tribe of Levi.[4] In this book Habakkuk is lifted by an angel to Babylon to provide Daniel with some food while he is in the lion's den.





http://www.esvliterarystudybible.org/search?q=Habakkuk+1

Passage Content Prophetic Genre Scene of Action

1:1–4 Habakkuk asks God his first question Formal complaint The prophet’s own nation of Judah

1:5–11 God’s reply Oracle of judgment

1:12–2:1 Habakkuk asks God his second question Formal complaint The world empire of Chaldea

2:2–20 God’s reply to Habakkuk’s question Oracle of judgment using a fivefold woe formula

3:1–15 Habakkuk’s vision of God’s power and sovereignty Psalm of praise The whole earth

3:16–19 Habakkuk’s confession of faith in God in all circumstances Personal testimony The prophet’s own soul
GodLovesYou
Just wonderful Betty! I looked up on the link the whole story and read all the Scriptures. How telling.. I have always loved that book but never looked up the commentary.. I understand it much better now.

What a blessing!

You always know how to say the right things at the right time. Unfortunately there are only a few here who will 'get it' and that's the sad part, but the Word has been sent and it WILL accomplish what it was sent to do!

God bless you! I pray our sister sees it!

xoxox Rose
crownsevenalphabet
where God is in the midst of misery ?

http://biblical-studies.ca/dss/introductions/1QpHab.html
To understand the commentary a brief background for the Book of Habakkuk should be understood. Habakkuk delivered a prophecy in the sixth century B.C. which predicted that the Lord was provoking the Chaldeans (the Babylonians) under Nebuchadnezzar's rule to punish/ruin Judah. There was internal struggles among the pious worshipers of the Lord and the ungodly causing the uproar. As Habakkuk describes the forces of the Chaldeans he offers up a complaint to the Lord who responds by speaking of the future punishment of the Chaldeans. The main purpose of the biblical book is to ask where God is in the midst of misery and whether there is a divine plan.

The Habakkuk Commentary or Pesher interprets and scripture of the book of Habakkuk verse by verse relating it to the time of the authors writing of the document. There are many symbols used in describing people as they were cautious about using their real names. The following is a listing of the main symbols used throughout the commentary and the interpretation of what or who they may be referring.

The Teacher of Righteousness: The Pesher focuses on a warning of judgment against those who refuse to believe what the Teacher of Righteousness has told them from the mouth of God. This Teacher is said to be a "Priest", or an "Expounder of the Law" who was given the power to interpret the words of the prophets.

Kittim: The author refers several times to the Kittim as a representative of the Chaldeans who were known for their evil & trickery, they were brutal reckless people. The Kittim are said to be the Romans or the Macedonians (Seleucids of Syria). There is more evidence, and most scholars believe they are referring to the Romans at their time of invading Israel.

The Man of Lies: Also know as the Wicked Priest, or the priest who rebelled. It is thought that the priest originally followed the truth, but once he was in office and ruling Israel he forsook God and betrayed Him for the sake of wealth. The Wicked Priest was said to have persecuted the Teacher of Righteousness.

Family of Absalom: There are many interpretations of this term, it is used in a way that suggests the Family of Absalom should be helping the Teacher of Righteousness. It could be referring to a man actually named Absalom such as the Israelite nobleman or it could be a name used in a symbolic fashion such as the disciples or close followers of the Teacher of Righteousness.
crownsevenalphabet
Woods of soft healers who make stinking wounds

Book Of Lamentations = `funeral Songs`, LESSONS:~Parallel tribute to Justice/ThisWind~
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=22655&hl=



QUOTE (ThisWind @ Aug 25 2008, 01:50 PM)
The wording "get some help" is the word of a failing person, as Jesus has commanded us to reach out and help, not referring them to the woods of the soft healers who make stinking wounds.


Post #27
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http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...=24#entry227595

Yes,

Let us help one another, the world is grieving with pain ! And 'get some help' is
meaning . . . I cannot understand your harsh speech.

Sometimes, written word's sound harsh on paper. Due to the lack of ability to express
the thought. All people do this sometimes.

And Jesus wants us to 100 % reach out -------- and help, by loving, being understanding
toward each brethren. Whether we have differences or not. We are commanded to love,
as Christ like.

And the phrase ' not referring them (Brethren) to the woods (where Sleeping Beauty
lays inside the glass coffin/casket) . . . and the soft healers (peace makers, not
holistic warriors, although in the family of God, both peace workers and warrior's
have their individual place of membership) . . .

. . . who make stinking wounds . . . note: The who (brethren) that make stinking wounds,
is a war term, of a nurse in combat, that must scrub the dirt out of the bloody infection
to fully cleanse the bacteria out, before application of salve, & dressing it.

So if the peace workers can only scrub wounds lightly, not agressive like a holistic
warrior, then so what ? Each of us know our calling/mission. We are not assigned to
perform every duty.

That is why we have diversity in the Lord.




A Suicide Letter, overdose of pills to kill herself

http://www.spsfv.org/letter.htm
The letter below was written shortly before the writer took an overdose of pills to kill herself. We have not changed incorrect spelling or punctuation. It is indicative of the state she was in and makes this note more valuable.
tsth
There are 4 words that Habakkuk prays/asks of God, that are so important.


In wrath remember mercy.


In His Love,
Suzanne
HeIsFaithful
I am reading Jeremiah.. and am in chapters 32 and continuing.. ended today, at chapter 43

I find it difficult to understand what I am reading.. and thought I might make a post at the board asking for help - then I found this post..

and what Crown7 is saying about Habakkuk is exactly what I am gathering as the general theme of what I'm reading..

God is sending, Isreal? Judah (I don't even understand the difference between the two????) .. but.. to continue..
He is sending them to Babylon .. there .. times will be very difficult.. but God intends to use the Babylonians to bring tribulation upon them, so that
they will turn back to Him..

and yes, like here in Habakkuk, God will also deal with the Chaldeans & the Babylonians..

can someone help me.. or tell me.. am I getting the jist of this correct?

... and tsth.. after reading, I was in prayer... and in wrath remember mercy was what was on my heart and in my prayers for these united states... of course, not in those words, exactly.. but it is what I felt led to pray for.. mercy and turning of hearts to the Lord because of the things we will face..

Thank you, to whoever answers, in advance..
John Prewett
Crown, I appreciate your kind words in a different thread.

Then I was afraid I was going to have to hammer you for citing a "apocrypha" book.

Then I checked it out and Habakkuk is in the Bible.

I am getting rusty too much !

Following is as true as when it was some 3000 years ago when it was

"hot off the press"

1:5 Look among the nations! Observe!

Be astonished! Wonder!


Because I am doing something in your days--

You would not believe if you were told.

crownsevenalphabet
Dear tsth, HeIsFaithful, John Prewitt . . .


Habakkuk, is presented in the timeline, of the last 8 books of the Old Testament.
And indeed, as you have so well noticed `HeIsFaithful` . . . the understanding of this thread:
~how God(ihvh) Uses The Babylonians, The Debate, the obnoxious, for His Divine
Purpose, do you ?~

. . . will unlock . . . the meaning of the placement of the Habakkuk message below, for 2008 !

HeIsFaithful, review this link . . . and direct any questions about Habakkuk, that I side-tracked
and did not cover !

Blessings . . .

p.s.
John, you are welcomed, see how the Lord forced me to see that you are flayed as
dear Bartholomew, to then flay the forum by pointing out the mis-use of the masses toward your calling under righteous judgement.

I see the difference in mercy & judgement. And I know you will step out John, to flay the
group, in love for correction . . . love for wanting us to stay the path of righteous thinking
in our study areas.

I learned from you also, John ! I was reminded through you dear brother, that the watcher
is a keeper of danger away from the flock who may wander . . .

tsth, I want you to tell me when time permits, what does this mean to you :

469

May the scripture open unto you, to resolve the contemplative prayer . . . Amen !



http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=22405&hl=
`the Eight Code`: ~20.60 Hz Versus 1,260 Days~, Parallel's of the last 8 books of the Old Testament

excerpt:
The 39 books of the old testament, are all pointing to urgency, to caution us at the yellow light, `to slow down, pay attention`. However, have you thought about how the last 8 books of the 39 books of the Old Testament, are all in a 2008 timeframe for a timely completion ?


· book 32 : Jonah
· book 33 : Micah
· book 34 : Nahum
· book 35 : Habakkuk
· book 36 : Zephaniah
· book 37 : Haggai
· book 38 : Zechariah
· book 39 : Malachi


()
Books’ #32 through #39, are packed with 2008 parallel’s, which I plan to outline for the reader :


*book #32, Jonah = 120,000 Nineveh/Iraq people saved (the worm & the vine, story)

*book #33, Micah = He prophesied that a ruler born in Bethlehem, would set up a Kingdom that will last forever

*book #34,Nahum = His prophesy is against Nineveh/Iraq, and the end of the Kingdom of Assyria

*book #35, Habakkuk = He had a dialogue conversation with God and . . .

(see `the cup` scripture : 2:1)

. . . The cup of the Lord’s right hand is coming around you, and disgrace will cover your glory . . .

*book #36, Zephaniah = He predicted that Judah’s neighboring nations, would be destroyed, and promised that God (IHVH) would bring His people home

*book #37, Haggai = His message was that the time had come to build the `house of the Lord`

*book #38, Zechariah = God (IHVH) sent him 8 visions, to encourage the builders of the temple. Chapter’s 9-14, predict : `the coming of Zion’s King, `the Lord almighty`

*book #39, Malachi = He prophesied to the Jews, who had returned from exile. He warned that God (IHVH), would judge wickedness and promised that God (IHVH) would save the righteous.
crownsevenalphabet
Habakkuk, live by faith . . .



http://kenmorealliance.com/files/SERMON%20...k%20Picture.jpg
crownsevenalphabet



EXCERPT
http://www.familyhomesnetwork.com/christia...biblestudy.html

Author: Habakkuk
Date: seventh century B.C.

Habakkuk prophesied during the last days of Judah, just before its destruction by the Babylonians in 587 B.C. In the year 605, at the great battle of Carchemish, the Babylonians defeated what was left of the old Assyrian army and the Egyptians. That opened the way for Babylon as the new world power to exert its influence along the major trade route that ran from the Fertile Crescent down to Egypt, running right through Judah. It was only a matter of time before Judah would feel the heavy hand of Babylon, and Habakkuk, with prophetic insight, knew that.

Habakkuk did not cry out against the sins of Judah as such, but came at the problem in a different way. Because he was convinced that God is good and all-powerful, he wondered out loud why God allowed these things to happen. Granted Judah was sinful, but God was strong enough to do something about it, so why didn't he? That kind of approach to the problem is almost unheard of in the Old Testament. The Book of Job looks at evil in somewhat this fashion, but Habakkuk is alone among the prophets in doing so.



http://www.journeywithjesus.net/Essays/habakkuk.jpg

Theological Themes in the Book of Habakkuk

Habakkuk got his point across by using the question-and-answer method; he asked a question and God supplied the answer. Question #1 is found in 1:2-4. It asks, in essence, why God allows evil. Justice has failed, the poor are oppressed, violence is to be seen on every hand, and God seems to let it happen.

Answer #1 is in 1:5-11. God responds that he is about to enter in and punish the sin he sees in Judah. He will accomplish this by using the Chaldeans (Babylonians) as the rod of his anger. They are terrible in warfare, proud, worshipers of their own strength, merciless to captives, and destined to win.

That raised an even more serious question in Habakkuk's mind. How could God use an even more evil nation to punish Judah (1:12-2:1)? God is so pure that he cannot look on evil, yet he is about to make use of the Babylonians. How could that be? God gave a two-part answer. In 2:6-19 the practical, historical aspect of the question is answered. Babylon, too, will be judged. In 2:2-4 the theological aspect of Habakkuk's question is answered in some of the most important words to be found in the Bible--the just shall live by faith. God told Habakkuk that human logic might fail, but God's wisdom will not. Even though we cannot understand the way things are going, that doesn't mean there is no answer. God has the answer and the one who would be just (righteous) before God must learn to trust him and live by faith. In one sense this is not so much an answer to the question as an invitation to realize who God is. That made Habakkuk understand he had been talking too much. The proper attitude to have in the presence of God is silence: the silence of quiet acceptance, not the sullen silence of resignation to our fate (2:20).

Next comes one of the most beautiful prayers in the Old Testament, ending with Habakkuk's affirmation of faith (3:17-19). We can rejoice in the Lord even if everything is taken away from us. Because that actually happened in Habakkuk's case, he is an example of how to face the worst that life has to offer us.

Habakkuk shows how God was able to use the Babylonians, even though they did not acknowledge him as God. God is Lord of all the earth, even over those who refuse to accept him as such. It doesn't really matter to God, because he is the only God who exists.


Outline for the Book of Habakkuk

1.Introduction HABAKKUK 1:1
2.The problem of Judah's sin HABAKKUK 1:2-4
3.The judgment of Judah's sin HABAKKUK 1:5-11
4.Habakkuk's second question HABAKKUK 1:12-2:1
5.God's answer and call to faith HABAKKUK 2:2-19
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Aug 25 2008, 07:14 AM) *
Did you know that the book of Habakkuk, was written as a dialogue or conversation between
God and the prophet Habakkuk ?

He first asked why God told him he would send the Babylonians to punish Judah (The Southern
Kingdom), Habakkuk became more concerned.

He DID NOT understand hoW God could USE the Babylonians, who were even more wicked than
the Jews.

God answered that ' THE RIGHTEOUS WILL LIVE BY HIS FAITH ' . . .

. . . AND ' that the Babylonians would also be judged '.



EXCERPT :

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=975

God’s Answer

(1:5-11)
God is doing something. He is raising up a foreign nation, the Babylonians, to come and destroy Judah. He tells Habakkuk, “You would not believe if you were told.”2 Why? Because they are really wicked. They were worse than the Jews.3 Verses 6-11 describe just how evil they are. The reason for this description is to show that they are so powerful, no one can stop them. They will certainly destroy Judah.

We see in verse 11 that they will be held guilty for their wickedness, but God is going to use them anyway.

Most of us have been praying for the evil in our society hoping for revival. What if God sent the Soviet Union or Sadam Hussein to conquer America, to instill communism or a dictatorship, imprison all the Christians, etc. What would you think about that answer? Would you say God didn’t answer your prayer?

This points us to another principle we can learn from Habakkuk. God doesn’t always give us the answers we want or expect. We usually have it in our mind how we want God to answer our prayers. When He does it differently, how do you respond?

What is Habakkuk’s response to the answer? ( GO TO LINK AND READ THE FULL AUTHOR'S ANSWER )


God’s Answer

(2:2-20)
Basically God's answer is this: Don't worry about the Babylonians, they will get theirs too.

He tells Habakkuk to write this down. What is about to happen is so certain, he should go ahead and record it.5 It may seem to tarry (vs 3) but it will happen.

When justice tarries, we have the feeling that it will never come, but God promises that it will. It is faith in God which makes us believe there is light at the end of the tunnel. It is “the light at the end of the tunnel” which helps us make it through. It is the pregnant lady’s knowledge that the pregnancy will finally end that helps her endure. It is the soldiers hope of escape or rescue that helps him endure as a prisoner of war. It is when there is no hope that people commit suicide.






Habakkuk ended his book with a psalm of praise : [ MY NEXT POST INSIDE THIS TOPIC WILL
BE THE PSALM OF PRAISE ]




When you are roped down into the cistern/pit, as Jeremiah, or thrown into the pit as Joseph,
remember Habakkuk, "He DID NOT understand hoW God could USE the Babylonians, who were even more wicked than the Jews" . . .

The following article explains it so well . . .


Genesis 37:29

King James Bible
And Reuben returned unto the pit; and, behold, Joseph was not in the pit; and he rent his clothes.

When Reuben came back to the cistern and saw that Joseph was no longer there, he tore his clothes in grief.



excerpt
http://www.boston-catholic-journal.com/emp...of-our-pain.htm

The Empty Cistern of Our Pain

Where you are now ... that pit of despondency, that crucible of pain is not of your choosing, and if, by another, you find yourself there, do not be deceived. You did not choose it. Another did not force it upon you (although by all appearances – much like dry cisterns – it would appear to be). You are where you are for a purpose beyond your immediate understanding. It seems impossible to redeem, and no good can come of it for all that you can see – and what of those who threw you into the cistern, who left you to die, who turned away indifferent to your pain, your fate? Do you think that God will not use your suffering, and even their malice, to an end unspeakably good and known to Him alone?

In your pain do not imprecate those who have brought it to you. Joseph had every reason to, but did not. Joseph lived to see this act of faith fulfilled. Another died in its fulfillment ... and like Joseph who prefigured Him, he, too, replied to the presumption and the hubris of his tormentor who foolishly thought himself the final arbiter pursuing his own selfish ends:

"Non haberes potestatem adversum me ullam, nisi tibi datum esset desuper." "You have no power over me, except it were given you from above." (St. John 19.11)

Understand this. There is redemption in your suffering, but it will not be on your terms. A far greater good lies before you than the paltry immediacy of the lesser good that you would choose.
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Aug 25 2008, 07:14 AM) *
Did you know that the book of Habakkuk, was written as a dialogue or conversation between
God and the prophet Habakkuk ?

He first asked why God told him he would send the Babylonians to punish Judah (The Southern
Kingdom), Habakkuk became more concerned.

He DID NOT understand hoW God could USE the Babylonians, who were even more wicked than
the Jews.

God answered that ' THE RIGHTEOUS WILL LIVE BY HIS FAITH ' . . .

. . . AND ' that the Babylonians would also be judged '.



EXCERPT :

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=975

God’s Answer

(1:5-11)
God is doing something. He is raising up a foreign nation, the Babylonians, to come and destroy Judah. He tells Habakkuk, “You would not believe if you were told.”2 Why? Because they are really wicked. They were worse than the Jews.3 Verses 6-11 describe just how evil they are. The reason for this description is to show that they are so powerful, no one can stop them. They will certainly destroy Judah.

We see in verse 11 that they will be held guilty for their wickedness, but God is going to use them anyway.

Most of us have been praying for the evil in our society hoping for revival. What if God sent the Soviet Union or Sadam Hussein to conquer America, to instill communism or a dictatorship, imprison all the Christians, etc. What would you think about that answer? Would you say God didn’t answer your prayer?

This points us to another principle we can learn from Habakkuk. God doesn’t always give us the answers we want or expect. We usually have it in our mind how we want God to answer our prayers. When He does it differently, how do you respond?

What is Habakkuk’s response to the answer? ( GO TO LINK AND READ THE FULL AUTHOR'S ANSWER )


God’s Answer

(2:2-20)
Basically God's answer is this: Don't worry about the Babylonians, they will get theirs too.

He tells Habakkuk to write this down. What is about to happen is so certain, he should go ahead and record it.5 It may seem to tarry (vs 3) but it will happen.

When justice tarries, we have the feeling that it will never come, but God promises that it will. It is faith in God which makes us believe there is light at the end of the tunnel. It is “the light at the end of the tunnel” which helps us make it through. It is the pregnant lady’s knowledge that the pregnancy will finally end that helps her endure. It is the soldiers hope of escape or rescue that helps him endure as a prisoner of war. It is when there is no hope that people commit suicide.






Habakkuk ended his book with a psalm of praise : [ MY NEXT POST INSIDE THIS TOPIC WILL
BE THE PSALM OF PRAISE ]






The Sceptre Of Wickedness Shall Not Rest Upon The Lot, of the righteous;
put not forth their hands unto iniquity
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=22286&hl=

http://bible.cc/psalms/125-3.htm


Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

The wicked shall only prove a correcting rod, not a destroying sword; even this rod shall not remain upon them, lest they distrust the promise, thinking God has cast them off.
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