Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."


I've noticed that this scripture is being presented by many people. I've also noticed that those who use this scripture against the teachings or belief's of others, are also just as guilty of it's admonition; to "judge not"...for it is being used as an accusation against those whom it is wielded; ie- those they are directing the admonition to are accused of being unjust judges...when many times that may not be the case! When I see people grabbing this small tidbit of scripture as a judgment against others, I never see the context surrounding the scripture being presented. As christians, we should seek to discern the whole counsel of God. Judgment is not wrong when it is used *righteously* and applied by those who are spiritually wise with discernment. Not only this, but people need to be careful in their judging because it is just as wrong to label good as evil as it is to label evil as good.

(NKJV) Matthew 7:1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 "And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank [is] in your own eye? 5 "Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

(The *act* of removing the speck from another's eye in this scenario is an act of judgment...so, what is actually being said in this scripture is a warning to those who do judge, that they better not be hypocritically guilty of the same sin, and/or worse sin....because this opens up the one doing the judging to be judged too.)

Romans 2:1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
Romans 2:3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?

(This confirms the same understanding which Jesus was conveying in Matthew 7).


John 5:30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

(A spiritually minded man or woman will not seek their own will or counsel in a given matter...but rather will seek the righteous will of the Father in determining right from wrong and specifically; judgment).

John 7:24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

(This is another great admonition...we cannot rely upon our own physical eyes; because by this we are lacking a God given, spiritual discernment. Outward appearances can be deceiving.)

1 Cor 2:15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is [rightly] judged by no one.

(A spiritual person is called to judge all things...yet is not under judgment because they are not guilty of committing those same sins which are being judged.)

1 Cor 5:3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.

(An example of Paul judging a fellow believer, bound in sin.)

1 Cor 5:12 For what [have] I [to do] with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?

(The body of Christ are called to judge those who are within the body.)

1 Cor 5:13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

(Of course the world is full of sinners; this has already been judged for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all who suppress the truth in unrighteousness...but as far as those who are within the body of Christ is concerned; they are called to be light...not darkness...and if they are not walking according to the truth of God; or are still bound in sin...we are admonished to put them away from us.)

1 Cor 6:2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

(Another calling to JUDGE.)

1 Cor 6:3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

1 Cor 6:4 If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge?

1 Cor 6:5 I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?

1 Cor 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.

(Once again, we must be careful with our judgments and judge ourselves, FIRST...we do not want to find ourselves guilty of the same things we are judging against.)

1 Cor 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.

(Let's pray that none of us need to get to this point; because the chastening of the Lord would be unecessary to those who had already judged themselves appropriately.)

1 Cor 14:29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.

(Prophecies are to be judged and weighed. The spirit of the prophets are subject to the prophets. The spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus.)

God bless you all,
Kim
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I am in agreement with you Kim. In fact, I'd be willing to say that, that particular passage has probably moved into the rank of THE MOST QUOTED Scripture of our time.....replacing John 3:16.


The correct application of the "judge not" verse, was in regard to hypocrisy within the body.


In His Love,
Suzanne

Kim,

Thanks for your post which happens to be so timely. That person who keeps using that quote is also guilty of passing judgenment on fellow posters. But judging sin and being willing/able to do battle with darkness; is not sitting in judgement on another person. When will we learn to stop twisting the words in Scripture around?

Gods Blessings,

Al

Gideon 7620 said, As I understand it in scripture we are not to make false assumptions or accusations that are out of the boundaries of scripture. We are commanded also to judge rightly that we may descern right from wrong. Exameple, we are not to engage in homosexuality or lesbianism. Nor are we to be friends with such. According to scripture we can be friendly to every man, but we are commanded to seperate ourselves from any living ungodly and that can apply to more than this. This is just a pure example. It is not wrong to cast a judgements and say this is wrong, as God has already done this for us. We are merely being used as messangers to relay his word. Yet it might be wrong to say, oh I know why so and so is quere, because his parents totally flopped raising him or her. This is improper judgements as you do not know the mysteries of life as such, only what God tells us in scripture can we judge upon.

I hope that makes sence.

How TRUE! It has replaced John 3:16. That scripture(Matt 7:1) is bandied about very recklessly...and being mis-applied to the degree that evil is being called "good" and good is being called "evil! Amen!

Al, what Kim forgot to include was my reply. You will then see that I agreed with her, so claws away, girl. Remember, you were the one that said it first.. go back and look!

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...18&start=18
Post number 21.

And Kim, since you are the teacher now... maybe you can see into what people mean by their posts like Al can see what is under an ignored post. But no matter... I did not mean to use the term out of context... I was making a POINT, which you did not ask what I meant by that, you decided to start your own thread. So sorry that there are so many ones that like to JUDGE here.

I've seen many people using that scripture so out of context in this forum and others. I've seen it mis-applied and in so doing, it dismisses sound biblical truths which should be addressed...especially concerning false prophets and sound, gospel doctrine.

Yes, the enemy is the grand twister of the word of God...our spiritual radar should be up and ready. Those who are spiritually mature are called to admonish the weaker/younger christians into sound doctrine. The spiritually mature have that responsibility and we shouldn't grieve them in doing their job.
And YES, we are called to expose the works of darkness...which will not happen unless judgment occurs...a judgment between what is right, and what is wrong. In the OT, one of the functions of a priest (which we are all called to in the NT, for we are called to be priests and kings unto our God) is to discern between the holy and the profane, between the good and the evil. This requires righteous judgment.

God bless you,
Kim

Yes, that makes sense...and fits right along with what I'm saying...we are all called to be "priests" unto our God. Part of that job of being priest is to discern between the holy and profane, the good and the evil....this is no small matter...and should not be misappropriately judged by others as wrongdoing.

God bless you,
Kim

Dear Rose,
I didn't post this as a direct response to you, which is why I generalized the comments in the OP to include everyone....which is also why I didn't put your response in this thread...yes, in the other thread you did agree. I want to avoid finger pointing and contention within this discussion because I feel that the topic alone presents a good discussion.

God bless you,
Kim

Kim,

Thanks, nevertheless, I edited my post above to include the link where I did say I agreed... but this thread was really unnecessary as it does cause more contention and fingerpointing, whether you think it does or not. You are using the timing of the way things have gone the last week or so and building it up into another debate.

Just my opinion, and again, I'm allowed to have one.

Blessings, Rose

You are entitled to your opinion Rose, and I have never stated otherwise. I did not bring this up for more contention...which is specifically why I chose NOT to bring your name to light in this discussion. I made it very clear that I have observed this incorrect handling of the scriptures on judging being committed by many people...not just you. This discussion has been on my heart for a long time and is not about you and is not being directed towards you.

Debates, in and of themselves are not wrong either. We learn and grow through presenting our varying understandings. How you choose to view this discussion is your own decision...but I know where my heart lies in the matter.

God bless you,
Kim

Kim,

Agreed, you did not bring my name up in THIS thread, but was alluded to in another and you made sure that this topic was going into another thread TODAY.. of all days that we are having the contentions. It's okay. This is not in the debates section, it is in discussions. What you are trying to do is bring up a debate (one side presented vs. the other), that is the DEFINITION of a DEBATE. A discussion does not draw contention, it is supposed to just provide a point of view, an opinion... which is what I said I had. You are calling this a discussion, but you really mean debate. It's okay, I can agree to not post here! Remember, you need to place your topics in the RIGHT CATEGORY. You knew this would bring up a problem. Really, Kim.. it's logical.

Thanks and blessings,

Rose

Rose,
I see this tendency you have to attempt to force your opinion on others...that their discussions are deemed by you as debates and should be coralled into another area. I will not be shamed into carrying this discussion into the debates forum. It is you who are seeking offense concerning this discussion.

And yes, I recognized that it was possible for you to become offended by this discussion...but you also have the ability to dispassionately view this posting as well...especially considering that I purposefully removed any reference to you whatsoever...and also pointed out that you agreed with me in the other thread. I did not bring your name into this discussion...you did. I will not shut up my beliefs or opinions either and find it distasteful to find you continuously admonishing others that their views belong in the debates forum. From my viewpoint, you are the only one entitled in your eyes to debate...all others who disagree with you must be silenced.

My posting will remain here.

God bless you,
Kim

Kim,

You have it all wrong! I am not talking about ME, you are making this more than it should be. I truly am not offended at all.... I just saw the opportunity you took to be like the rest here to poke fun at the way someone uses Scripture, not just me but others, and this is why I think that since you mentioned OTHERS that I felt it could turn out to become a debate instead of a discussion. I am not saying that I used the Scripture the right way in the post that I first used it in, and I should have posted the whole with the context. My bad.

I do not wish for this to turn into a DEBATE, I said there was a tendency that it could BECOME one. Boy, do people sure read into things. Remain the way you are, and bless you! I am not offended at all. Really, I'm quite happy today! I am fulfilled and have the Joy of the Lord on me. You are defensive (as you stated, from MY viewpoint, YOU are the only one entitled in your eyes to debate"... no debates here and I have MANY times said I have a right to my beliefs as you do, not forcing ANYTHING down anyone's throat. I only posted here because you said you were starting a new thread regarding the same topic and was interested. Since you're not a mind reader, how can you judge the way I feel? You don't know. But I am not making you back down on your beliefs nor do I wish anyone to believe me. BELIEVE GOD!

By the way, you are not the only one to start a topic on this, there is one other I can think of that is a spinoff on this, so I think I can deduce that it is geared more to what is going on in the forum today than just something you felt like discussing for a long time. But I could be totally wrong. Your call. And by all means, keep your posting, I didn't say YOU HAD to move it, I suggested it.... again, reading into things again. Is this how people read Scripture? Probably. This is why there is so much division and so MANY denominations. That's not God's church, it's a mockery of what He wanted for His Church.

Lastly, not FORCING my opinion on anyone. Either someone WANTS to read it or not. How do you force an opinion on someone? They have a brain, they can decide for themselves what they want to believe. Freedom of choice, right? No forcing, I promise, nothing contentious, no agenda. You all are just too high strung today, jumping from every corner. I notice something, i respond, and I'm sorry that that bothers you. You do it too. I can either read your posts or not. It's a simple resolution.

Bless you,
Rose

Rose,
I am definitely NOT poking fun at you or others present scriptures. To me, this is a very serious topic. I am presenting my genuine convictions on this topic. If you consider this is not about you, then why are you referencing this post as if it were directed towards you? (Which it is not).

I'm glad you're happy.

I'm more than ready to drop this...but concerning my OP I'm open to discussing it.

God bless you,
Kim

Since you added to your point, I will address those issues too. Rose, I have witnessed you admonish many people in this forum that their opinions are debate issues and should be posted in the debates only section. You also admonished me to do the same with this discussion...which I find to be a way of forcing your opinion on others.

As you are not here in my home, you would not know of the topics my husband and I discuss together, but I can tell you truthfully, that we have discussed this very issue of "judge not, lest ye be judged" no less than 20 times in the last two months, and many more times in previous months...so in sincerity, this topic is not solely related to the incident in the prophesying section.

I spent a long time gathering scriptures to present my beliefs on this topic and felt they should not be overlooked in a thread which is entitled under a different subject. That is the sole reason why I brought this thread on it's own in the general category...so that it could be viewed.

God bless you,
Kim

Thanks for understanding, Kim.

I posted the thread as a companion to what you were discussing. That's all. Don't read into that now!

I am happy, yes, and I have no more discussing to do, just interested to see what others have to say. There's another thread about this too, regarding something similar about 'taking Scripture out of context). You should check it out, it's interesting.

Have a great day!
Rose

Kim, remember, I posted the link to show Al that she did not see my REPLY to her passing judgment on ME. That's all.. she was taking what you said and applying it to me... when she should have just been discussing the Scripture. Who do you think Al meant when using the term "that person"? Not Justice, she didn't post the Scripture, I did.

That's all.. nothing more!

Happy day,
Rose

Rose,
What is the title of the other thread? Where is it?
Thanks,
Kim

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=22647&hl=

Welcome!

If I have something to say to you directly, I will. I do not see the point in beating around the bush.

What's going on between you and Al, I pray gets resolved.

And Rose, as far as I'm concerned, I have no offense towards you changing your mind about a certain individual (Justice)...but also feel that others have the right to share their concerns over Justice's doctrines as well as her lack of repentance towards those whom she formerly spoke abusively towards.

God bless you,
Kim

Kim,

Well thanks so much... I don't beat around the bush either. I gave my opinion, but it doesn't seem one is allowed to have one these days without being in fear of punishment and a stoning. It's happened before and you know that, cause you've been here to see it.

I am praying for Al. Thank you for your comments.

And you are allowed to feel the way you do about Justice... I just feel that the pictures, the jokes, etc. are unnecessary. They are not Christ-like, and especially when ones who are preacher's wives get involved or those who point out that I am the mean one when they are joining in the fun too. Like I said on Justice's post, it's a free for all. This forum has gone to the dogs. You weren't here when there was respect, dignity, and discussion. No contention, just peace. This is Satan's doing. It happens now and then.. I have seen it over and over again.

I will stand with Justice, and you can continue to have your own opinion... and thank you for letting me have mine.

In Him,
Rose

Kim,

The bottom line is that there is another biblical verse that has been misquoted and taken out of context: "If someone hits you on the cheek, turn to him the other also." The problem all began when I wouldn't play nicety nice and welcome Justice back on this forum. If you remember Rose had a temper tanturm over Justice on this forum a little over a week ago, and today she is having that same sort of temper tantrum because I am not going to sit still and be quiet and allow Justice to control this forum. Rose is also upset with: Inspire and Chloe. Chloe has already stated that she will be turning Rose in for her insensitive behavior towards Chloe. Rose is not praying for me and that I could bet money on. Rose just enjoys dragging someones name through cyberspace mud. I am not talking with Rose but felt that you deserved an answer to your question. But please validify her claims against certain posters by asking her for direct quotes supposedly said by the poster that she just happens to disagree with on that day. Rose is one poster who has brought much contention on this board lately. You asked, but just be careful. We really do have a false teacher/prophet on this forum (Justice) and it does not do any good for Christians to ignore her bad behavior and her hexes.

Gods Blessings,

Al

If I have something to say to you directly, I will. I do not see the point in beating around the bush.

What's going on between you and Al, I pray gets resolved.

And Rose, as far as I'm concerned, I have no offense towards you changing your mind about a certain individual (Justice)...but also feel that others have the right to share their concerns over Justice's doctrines as well as her lack of repentance towards those whom she formerly spoke abusively towards.

God bless you,
Kim
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Gideon said

Precisely Kim

All scriptue is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

We are to reprove and correct along side biblical exortations and teaching. It is our duty and commanded by God.

I just wanted you to understand, I do not have hard feelings towards you...and I believe we should allow one another to form our own opinions...even if we disagree with those opinions. Concerning the photographs...I completely understand being ridiculed for something that cannot be helped(and that should never be done, IMHO)...but in the same breath I feel that when a person repeatedly makes harsh judgments against others they are opening themselves up to (comical) rebuttal. I do hate to say it but sometimes it comes across as funny to me when somebody repeatedly, outlandishly rails against others without repentance(funny, in the sense that they are going so emotionally overboard that their words appear comical)...sometimes I use a picture as a way to get a point across as well. I think you know where I'm coming from...we've had some good laughs together too. And of course, yes...I think there's a time and place for that...but sometimes as I said in another post...my temptation towards humor...even if I smack my hands, lol...I just have to push the button! The red, candy-like button!



LOL

God bless you,
Kim

Dear Al,
I understand your concern about Justice's un-repentant attitude towards those whom she spoke to abusively in the past (and continues to do so).....(and I do not feel any guilt in stating this here because I have already addressed these same words to Justice's words in another post) I also agree with you concerning her prophecies..which I have also pointed this out directly to Justice in the past. There is much which could be said here, but I'd rather address Justice's own words directly to her. This is nothing personal towards you, but in sincerity, I do not feel comftorable discussing the issues Rose is having between others as if Rose is not here reading our words or excluding her from a discussion about her. I hope you see where I'm coming from.

I think it's sufficient to address issues (or specific words and speak directly to a person) once or twice, but after that I don't want to overstate my cause. And I wouldn't consider it ignoring the issue if I dropped it after stating my beliefs. If the moderators don't remove a person, or don't address a person's actions...I don't necessarily believe that they are approving of that person's actions...but rather are having a more open policy in the forum...and I can also deal with that too. I think it is exceptionally wise that you are addressing false prophecies and false prophets...rest assured that there are young or un-discerning christians who will be benefited by those who expose the works of darkness. I also like to keep in mind that if it's not here, it could be anywhere that we could encounter false doctrines and false prophets...and with that thought in mind...I think that it's good to state our concerns and beliefs, but if the forum moderators are not banning certain people...then to leave it at that...and allow others to make up their own minds on the given issues.

God bless you Al, I hope you have a great day!
Kim

And ps...sometimes it really helps me if I can find things to laugh about...it eases my tensions and sets my mind at peace...how about a funny pic, lol?

Amen Gideon! I'm on a pic roll...here, have another one on me! lol God bless you

Kim, saw the pic already, been around the web about 40 times, so not really funny anymore. But you have a VERY BEAUTIFUL DAY! Amen.

And you are so right, if you don't want to read someone's posts or have a problem with them, push that sarcastically made remark about the shiny, cherry red report button.

God bless you and the rest of your buds! It's a NEW DAY.

No more posting on your threads, Als, etc. and if you post on mine, I will also have that same opportunity to push the shiny red button

I am at peace, leave me be... you know the old saying, if you don't like it, leave. I'm personally not bothered by this at all. I'm HAPPY!

Rose,
You completely misunderstood me. I have never reported anyone in this forum. The red button I'm referring to is in reference to my inability to stop myself from posting a picture joke. That's all.
Feel free to post where I post or address me when you want to. I consider this a public forum and unless you are restricted...that means you're free to respond...which of course includes my ability to post too.

Have a good day,
Kim

You changed the post.

Blessings, Rose

And you posted AFTER I made the change....look at the times. What I changed was not that much of a difference. I added some pics and hardly changed anything that would give you that much of a differing message. For the life of me, I really don't understand why you are this upset with me. But that's alright Rose...seriously. I'm done discussing issues outside the OP (in this thread at least).

God bless you,
Kim

God loves us in judgment and out of judgment.

I'm glad to see you're sticking around bro!
God bless you,
Kim

I am glad you noticed and care.

I am a newbie and I can't make my own threads. The Lord is good...I can't self destruct for a few more turns...my avatar indicates how close I am to being shipwrecked in my faith...

Kim...

I am so glad you started a thread about this. I was just mentioning that to Al that I think it would be good to discuss.

And you make some very very good points in many of your posts here.

Larry....

I also am glad you stayed.

There are some good people on this forum. And for my friend, Al....please stay. Your opinions are important to the discussions.

Bless you guys.

Truth be told; I tried to access your profile to give you a word of encouragement...but kept getting re-directed to the main forum page until I realized that you were listed as a guest. I figured I'd wait one day to see the outcome of this before I started a thread entitled 'WHERE ARE YOU?'...LOL.

Now...what is this about a ship-wrecked faith? I do hope all is well with you Larry.

God bless you!
Kim

Chloe',
I am thankful that you see the value of this discussion. I did not bring this thread here as a point of contention...I've also had it on my mind for quite some time and feel justified in that I spent a large amount of time researching and gathering scriptures (to re-post this thread into it's own new topic).

I also appreciate it that although you and I may not see eye to eye on every issue; we can still agree to disagree and/or respect one another. This is what I find most exciting about debates is when you can find a person who may not agree with you about everything; but yet can respect you as a person. This allows the topic to flourish and all sides of the issue to be addressed. There are points which can be made that either party may not have considered, and I find this aspect of debating to be the most fulfilling. So, thank you for being respectful towards my differing opinions as well as the times that you agree with me.

God bless you!

And YES...Al...I do hope all is well with Al and that she continues to contribute her much needed thoughts and reflections as well.

Take care everyone,
Kim

As I read these Scriptures that IamLives brought up (excellent putting-it-all-together by the way), I keep getting the same picture, especially as it pertains to other believers as Paul was speaking about.

• Those judged were present for the judgment.
  
• They had the ability and opportunity to defend themselves.
  
• Disciplinary actions followed after the judgment was passed, and agreed upon.

Which is how it should be in a court of law, heavenly, Christian, or otherwise. And the admonition is there that, in order to avoid being judged publicly, we should judge ourselves first before God so He can bring us to repentance, and open ourselves up to God's judgment upon our hearts, lives and behavior; again, so He can bring us to repentance before He has to send others to do so.

That's how I'm reading it. Correct me if I'm wrong here please.

Edited because I had to squint to read my own typing, and didn't want anyone else to have to strain.

I completely agree with you, but would like to say that although you shared the ideal scenario which should be sought first(under normal circumstances), you are right...there will come times where this is impossible due to the in-accessibility of certain individuals...primarily individuals who are so far removed from common lay people (such as television evangelists, who are surrounded by millions of people, on a pedastal of sorts, you cannot personally reach people of this caliber, IMHO).

...I see you like the Comic font too...when I first started posting here, I went thru that too, I liked the normal sized font, but in Comic mode it appears smaller....but when you up-size it also makes it appear too big, so I resort to bolding the normal size 2...which makes it easier to see, yet not too large etc.

God bless you,
Kim

Great use of scripture. One thing I would like to point out is that it would be rather difficult to NOT be guilty of any sin. Therefore, I think it would be wise just to avoid judging others AT ALL.

Hi dod-

Thanks for the comments. I don't agree with you about not judging others at all. Do you believe in the ability to repent from sin? And after a person has remained pure from former sins, would it be possible for such a one to say to another "stealing is a sin....repent of that sin."? This is where I believe being a hypocrite comes into play. If you are (CURRENTLY) guilty of stealing, yet tell others they are sinning by stealing...you are being a hypocrite. Yet, if you have been forgiven for the sin of stealing and have REMAINED free of that sin, then you are also free to admonish others and encourage them to turn away from the sin of stealing. You aren't a hypocrite then.

Also to instruct those within the body to refrain from ALL types of judging, is not a biblically sound instruction. The Word of God clearly instructs us otherwise:


1 Cor. 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3 Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord. 6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough?

7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people-- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."


In His Truth,
Suzanne

1 Corinthians 4 English standard version


5 Therefore do not pronounce Judgment before the time before the lord comes who wil bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purpose of the heart Then each one will receive his commendation from God




1 Corinthians 5 English standard version

12 for what have i to do with judging outsiders ? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to Judge ?

13 God Judges those outside Purge the evil person from among you



1 Corinthians 6 English standard version



1 When one of you has a grievence against another does he dare to go to the law before the unrighteous instead of the saints ?


2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world ? And if the world is to be judged by you are you incompetent to try trivial cases ?


even though the bible gives us sound advice as a human i have to be care full that i dont take no ones free wil to think for them selves or force my views on to some one to were i have them become submisive to me to were fear rules their lives

we have gods laws and we have the worlds laws we need to tread very care full when dealing with human beings


the reason i am saying this i have seen where immature christians have over steped the mark when it comes to a new christian human beings have a right to feel safe human beings have a right to think for them selves you as a christian have no right to forcefully tell a new christian they are to listen to you you as a pastor do not have the right to lord it over the people who stick to your church you as a leader do not have the right to lord over the ones you are leading

ther are men and women like my self who wil rock the boat if we see you as a pastor abusing what is meant for good and your world as you know it wil come crashing down on you and you wil have the laws of the land to deal with if a human being walks into a police station and says i feel my rights to function in this society are being taken off me to were i cant think for my self i cant eat what i like to eat you should get what i am saying hear

dont abuse what god has given you and dont take what is meant for good out of contex to wer you lord it over those that are weak you do not have the right to do this no matter what the bible has to say and what the laws have to say or what the 10 commandments have to say or what the apostle paul had to say in his epistles

i have done this to three christians were restraining orders have been placed on them they cant preach or they cant lead or teach if they do they end up in jail


know if you think gods laws and the 10 commandments and what paul had to say in his epistles are going to prottect you from the real world think hard


only god knows were we are at in our walk and only god has the right to judge when he judges a person he does it to were he does in a gentle way he gives you a choice he also shows you your sin for what it is and he says either deal with it nail it to the cross or let it rule you God never forces him self or does he bash you over the head with a 4 x 4

like i have seen when it comes to unstable christians who take what is meant for good out of contex to were they use it for there own gain



1 Corinthians 2 English standard version


9 But as it is written what no eye has seen nor ear heard nor the heart of man imagined what god has prepared for those who love him

10 these things god has revealed to us through the spirit for the spirit searches everything even the depths of God

11 for who knows a persons thoughts except the spirit of that person which is in him ? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the spirit of God





Damo

I'm glad you brought this scripture reference forward because this is precisely the verses I had in mind when I addressed dod. Thanks!

I'd like to point out something too...those who believe they are not judging (or that others shouldn't judge) are fooling themselves and others. EVERYONE judges every day in varying degrees...everyone. The very act of stating that we should refrain from all judging, IS a judgment itself.

If christians shouldn't judge, then the verses you provided SHOULD NOT be in the bible at all.

God bless you,
Kim