What does this Subject mean to me? Christ documented.. 'IF you LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.' And 'i' DO LOVE MY MASTER!

First off I call them what they are. The Everlasting Covenant of the Godhead! Hebrews 13:20 And the Word Everlasting Covenant is just that, ETERNAL with NO Starting point of time, that is part of the 'Everlasting GOSPEL' of Revelation 14:6 (first part of the verse) Again: ETERNAL! IMMORTAL as with the Godhead, no beginning!! (Eternal as in all directions)

Are they then before Moses?
Lets understand this once & for ETERNITY. (EVERLASTING ) In the New Covenant side of what some call a changing Godhead??? We 'see' that the Holy Spirit still has John Inspired to pen His Inspiration of what SIN IS. Also remember that John lived way on down into Revelation which is dated after 70 AD to around 96 AD. This is very important because it lets us remember the Lord's Words that the Holy Spirit would bring things to even 'our'' remembrance when needed. The point being that if John did not quite see or understand 'Paul' for one, in his 'penmanship'? the Holy Spirit had plenty of time to have had John straighten it out for what Sin is! Even the Sin Against the Holy Ghoast as seen in 1 John 5:16-17.

So in 1 John 3:4 John (the Holy Spirit) still gives us the [ETERNAL] understanding of what sin is, and has 'always been, & always will be'! And Again, NO, Moses was not even around in Eternity! (or when satan rebelled against the Law of the Godhead)
"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law, for sin is the trangression of the law."

Bottom line: Sin started in heaven! Them came [mankind]. (ALL MANKIND)
We can read & see that God talked with the ones from Moses back to creation. And can even read why He stoped talking in person to us, if we care to search it out? (see Exodus 20:19-20, just after God SPAKE THESE COMMANDMENTS to them. Exodus 20:1)

God spake directly to Adam & Eve. God Spake directly to Cain in Genesis 4:7. Now: Did any of these perfectly created earthlings sin? Surely! Did the Holy Spirit lie in 1 John 3:4 in the definition of what sin is, or did John not know what ALL THE ETERNAL WORD OF THE COVENANT even still says? Hardly! See Rev. 22:8-9.

So the Eternal Covenant is just that, an IMMORTAL TEN COMMANDMENT LAW OF LOVE.

All Eternity are governed by the Law of the Godhead. Other world's in the plural of the book of Heb.'s as well as all the angel's of heaven.
Even Abram before he became Abraham was told about the Lord's Gospel & Covenant [requirements]. Genesis 3:15 will be accepted by most as meaning the Lamb offering offered by Faith of the future Savior. Yet, their is much more! They sinned & had broken the Covenant also, and then needed the EVERLASTING GOSPEL! (and were any angels saved in this future FAITH?)

Back to Abram who is seen in Genesis 12:1-5. God spoke to him by a Voice. He talked with Him in verse one. We even see that he was a GENTILE SOUL WINNER in verse 5. (what Eternal Gospel Truth does one believe that he was TEACHING??) And yes, surely Abram was still a Gentile here, huh? (see Romans 2:28-29 for a spiritual reality)
Yet the Holy Spirits Inspiration does not leave us in 'ignorance' to what all of the saved ones before Moses came on the scene KNEW LOVED, & BELIEVED!

In Genesis 26:1-5 we see God speaking about why the Godhead choose Abram, who is here called Abraham. Yet, there can be NO misunderstanding as to when & why these INSPIRED WORDS APPLY!
"BECAUSE that Abraham [OBEYED MY VOICE] and [KEPT MY CHARGE, MY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUES, AND MY LAWS.]" v. 5 (they were no need to have them in writing yet!)

Just one more? Ok: In Revelation 22:8-9 we again 'see' that the 'unfallen' angels still have the Eternal Ten Commandment Covenant to go by! You read it & find out where the 'message' came from? See verse 9 again.
And in heaven's Throne Room we see that the Ark is also still seen there by the Faithful Born Again ones. Revelation 11:18-19, verse 18 even confirms the James 2:8-12 passage with the time of the dead being judged! Compare Ecclesiastes 12:13-14.

Yes, the Gospel of Christ & the Character of the Godhead are alike ETERNAL! 2 Corinthians 3:3, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:15-16. And there will not be any one saved that is found in opposition to the Law of God. Christ puts it very simple in understanding.. "IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS". ---Elijah
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Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9 Thank You Lord for our provisions and our loving recreated 'motive', to Obey Your Eternal Covenant! thank's again 'i' Love you Master!

I agree. Everything that has ever been called a sin breaks one of the Ten Commandments. No one will ever find a verse where something is called a sin that doesn't break one of the Ten Commandments.

I can't imagine people before Moses freely:
Worshiping false Gods.
Worshiping idols.
Taking the Lord's name in vain.
Treating the Sabbath like God never blessed it, (GENESIS 2:3).
Cursing their parents.
Committing murder.
Committing adultery.
Stealing.
Lying.
Coveting.

LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF...............where is that in the 10 commandments?

QUOTE (dennis mann @ Aug 29 2008, 12:25 PM)

LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF...............where is that in the 10 commandments?

It is not a question of does the Godhead love Their creation, but do the ones that They created love Them to the Eternal degree that sin will never arise again a 'second time?' Nah. 1:9 This LAST TESTING will tell all, throughout eternity the End verdict of sin. James 1:15 The Mark of the Beast will violate the Godheads LOVING principle. Just some thought of what True Agape Love is! It is not only feeling, or excitement, and emotion, but True Love is a 'Principle'! [/size] Exod. 31:[12] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[13] Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily MY Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. (it does not take much looking around today, to see that most are hanging out the wrong 'Sign' or 'their desired Mark' in opposition to God, as did 'rejected' Cain did in Gen. 4:7)
[14] Ye shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. (see Matt. 18:17-18 & compare Lev. 17:8-9 for the day of Atonements example)

[15] Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

[17] It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

[18] And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. (Again, read the ten & you will find that the First four are our duty to God alone in Worship, and the last six are seen as our duty to our fellow mankind.)[/color] Matt. 22:[32] I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

[33] And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine. (compare 2 John 1:9-11)

[34] But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.

[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (This is the first four!)

[38] This is the first and great commandment

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Just one thought of these ten.. two tables of stone. Just try thinking of heaven and earth with this Everlasting Covenant (Heb. 13:20) as an Eternal Covenant heavy duty chain. With these ten links that heaven has holding earth in space. If any one link is broken, what happens to earth?? Now notice the Inspiration that James pens in James 2:
[8] If ye fulfil the [Royal law] according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. (compare 1 John 3:4 for what sin is)

[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (you know, the fruite sacrifice for the required 'Lamb' one, or sun. for the 7th Day Sabbath Commandment requirement!)

[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

[12] So speak ye, and [so do], as they that [shall be judged] by the [law of liberty.]
Judged by this standard! And what law forbids killing & adultery? Also take note of Eccl. 12:[13] Let us hear the [conclusion of the whole matter]: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the [color="#0000ff"]whole duty of man.

[14] For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. If any are sincere, & are 'Led' by the Holy Ghost, it does not take long to see who it is who will be Saved or Lost at the present time, after reading the satanic posts of today! See Eccl. 3:14 & Rev. 22:18-19, which tell the Universe in the Heavenly Record Books that if the name was even ever recorded, that it will be removed.

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QUOTE (dennis mann @ Aug 29 2008, 12:25 PM)

LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF...............where is that in the 10 commandments?

Elijah here:

It is not a question of does the Godhead love Their creation, but do the ones that They created love Them to the Eternal degree that sin will never arise again a 'second time?' Nah. 1:9 This LAST TESTING will tell all, throughout eternity the End verdict of sin. James 1:15 The Mark of the Beast will violate the Godheads LOVING principle. Just some thought of what True Agape Love is! It is not only feeling, or excitement, and emotion, but True Love is a 'Principle'! [/size] Exod. 31:[12] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[13] Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily MY Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. (it does not take much looking around today, to see that most are hanging out the wrong 'Sign' or 'their desired Mark' in opposition to God, as did 'rejected' Cain did in Gen. 4:7)
[14] Ye shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. (see Matt. 18:17-18 & compare Lev. 17:8-9 for the day of Atonements example)

[15] Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

[17] It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

[18] And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. (Again, read the ten & you will find that the First four are our duty to God alone in Worship, and the last six are seen as our duty to our fellow mankind.)[/color] Matt. 22:[32] I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

[33] And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine. (compare 2 John 1:9-11)

[34] But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.

[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (This is the first four!)

[38] This is the first and great commandment

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Just one thought of these ten.. two tables of stone. Just try thinking of heaven and earth with this Everlasting Covenant (Heb. 13:20) as an Eternal Covenant heavy duty chain. With these ten links that heaven has holding earth in space. If any one link is broken, what happens to earth?? Now notice the Inspiration that James pens in James 2:
[8] If ye fulfil the [Royal law] according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. (compare 1 John 3:4 for what sin is)

[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (you know, the fruite sacrifice for the required 'Lamb' one, or sun. for the 7th Day Sabbath Commandment requirement!)

[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

[12] So speak ye, and [so do], as they that [shall be judged] by the [law of liberty.]
Judged by this standard! And what law forbids killing & adultery? Also take note of Eccl. 12:[13] Let us hear the [conclusion of the whole matter]: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

[14] For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. [size="3"]If any are sincere, & are 'Led' by the Holy Ghost, it does not take long to see who it is who will be Saved or Lost at the present time, after reading the satanic posts of today! See Eccl. 3:14 & Rev. 22:18-19, which tell the Universe in the Heavenly Record Books that if the name was even ever recorded, that it will be removed.
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Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Paul says very plainly that those 5 commandments, which are from the Ten Commandments, are summed up in the Commandment: "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as theyself".

Do you understand this?

You did mean 4 & then 6 right? The first Four are the Worship of God, the First Great commandment (Matt. 22:35-40) & then the duty to His creation the last six. Even Rom. 13 finds Paul onlu giving the last six for Caesar to use. (he 'Caesar' needs to keep his paws out of the first four!)

--Elijah

Eating fruit..........

Eating fruit is not a sin.

I suppose you are referring to Adam and Eve's situation. They where allowed to eat from every tree except one, so they where allowed to eat fruit. God didn't say "don't eat fruit". That would be like saying God said "Don't work." because God said to not work on the Sabbath.

But when they ate the forbidden fruit, for which they had no excuse, they broke many of the Ten Commandments:

1. False Gods

Satan said: "ye shall be as gods", (Gen. 3:5), implying that they would be their own Gods and would no longer need God.

5. Honor Your Father and Mother

God was Adam and Eve's Father:

Luke 3:38 Which was [the son] of Enos, which was [the son] of Seth, which was [the son] of Adam, which was [the son] of God.

They disobeyed their parents.

8. Thou Shalt Not Steal

They took something that didn't belong to them. They where guilty of stealing.

9. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness

The Devil lied to them and they where willing to share his sin of lying.

10. Thou Shalt Not Covet

Covetousness is wanting something that belongs to someone else, which is usually involved in stealing.


Let us take a brief look at the situation here so we can justify God, our Creator, and not take our stand with Lucifer and make insinuations against God.

Lucifer rebels and takes a third of God's angels with him. God doesn't just kill Lucifer, or the loyal angels would think God had something to hide and Lucifer's claims against God where really true. So God has to let the thing play itself out so everyone can see what Lucifer's true motivations where.

God tries to reconcile Lucifer but eventually has to give up, so He goes back to creating worlds. God knows that if He creates a new world, they will probably join Lucifer in his rebellion because their knowledge of the rebellion is less than the other worlds. They are the most vulnerable. But God does it anyway, for Christ had agreed to die for the world in the case that it fell into sin. In fact this plan was probably established before anything was ever created.

We see Satan making insinuations against God, saying that His guy, Job, would sin if God allowed Satan to torture him, (Job 1:9,10; Job 2:4,5). This implies there's something wrong with God's creation, perhaps because Lucifer wasn't consulted in the blueprints for mankind, or that Satan was justified in his rebellion somehow. There are also other cases where we see Satan accusing people before God and tempting man to sin.

So Satan wants man to join him in his rebellion. He said he should be allowed to hurt Job to give Job a fair chance to sin. Knowing this, it's not hard to imagine Satan saying Adam and Eve should have a fair chance to join with Satan's rebellion.

So God grants this. They get a voting booth. Any time they decide they want Satan to be in charge instead of God, all they have to do is eat from the forbidden tree. It wasn't about eating fruit. It was about loyalty. Do they want to stay loyal to God or do they want to betray their Creator and join with Lucifer in his rebellion?

What else could God do? Tell them if they just didn't kill each other, that would show their loyalty? Such a thought would have never come into their hearts. It wouldn't have been much of a temptation. God had to give Satan a fair chance to win them to his side. They didn't know how to kill or lie or commit adultery or anything like that. They where innocent. The tree was the test.

The worlds created before this one have the same tree, but they have never touched it. They probably built big hedges about it. Of course they knew more than we did being older.

If you want to include the 5th commandment, that's fine, but it's just not included in this verse. Paul lists only 5 here. Most people accept that 4/6 thing and I try not to make an issue of it.

The last 5 apply to your neighbors.

Thou shalt not kill (your neighbor)
Thou shalt not commit adultery (against your neighbor)
Thou shalt not steal (from your neighbor)
Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor
Thou shalt not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor

The 5th commandment is a bit different. It doesn't really apply to all people, your neighbors, but only to your parents. You could actually group that with the first set which apply to your relationship with God. God is the original Father of mankind and your creator. Your parents are your procreators, so they are sort of in the place of God for you. Cursing your parents is like cursing God.

Parents also need to be honorable, or they cause their children to dishonor them, so they are guilty.

But like I say, I try not to make an issue of it.

Really if you break any of God's Commandments you show that you hate God and you hate your fellow man.

Correct, but He spoke the whole Word and hired some writers.

Exodus 1
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

But you do agree that Casear has jurisdiction ONLY over your five concept? (the second table) While not being a church, and surely we agree that breaking any one is breaking them all in the Godheads sight? James 2:8-12, Eccl. 12:13-14. --Elijah

Some of the Ten Commandments are justifiably enforced by human legislation. No problem. Mostly thou shalt not kill and thou shalt not steal. People are not punished for adultery, but it can be considered a violation against a marriage contract, which would give grounds for divorce in any courtroom. Lying under oath is a crime, but people are not punished for bearing false witness in any other circumstance. And how can you enforce a law against covetousness? Not sure how you would enforce "Honor your mother and father".

Of course a secular government will not enforce the first 4 commandments. There are unconstitutional Sunday laws though, that church leaders have tricked our government into passing. Like liquor stores, banks, schools, and any state institution have to close on Sunday.

This is a foreshadow. Much stricter Sunday laws will be passed in the future, as people start getting superstitious because of terrorism and natural disasters. This, they will say, is necessary to procure God's blessings for the nation. Any opposition to these laws will be seen as treason. But Sunday honors the Sun God and tricks people into breaking the 4th commandment, so God's people can't participate in this tradition. So they will suffer persecution. This is the Mark of the Beast.

Reminds me of the opposers of Jeremiah:

Jer. 44:16 [As for] the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee.
44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for [then] had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
44:18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all [things], and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
44:19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

They really believed that the disasters they had faced where because they had not been faithful enough in burning incense to the "Queen of Heaven". That's what people will say about Sunday. We are having disasters because we haven't been keeping Sunday good enough, and they will pass laws enforcing Sunday much more strictly than now.

Look at the laws passed in Babylon.

Daniel 3:4 Then an herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, and languages,
3:5 [That] at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of music, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:
3:6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.

Daniel 6:7 All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.

Notice the diplomacy of all the governors. They really thought it was a good idea.

Early Christians suffered similarly for their refusal to worship idols and break the Sabbath. Some Christians sold out and adopted Sunday and began worshiping idols and saved their lives and modified Christianity in Rome and Alexandria. But in the rest of the world Christians continued keeping the Commandments of God for a very long time, until the Papal Crusades and Inquisition eventually wiped them out almost completely.

And there are more examples of this where human law comes into conflict with God's law. And we know what to do:

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Perhaps the best Truth is left out for the Spewed out ones of all yoked together Laodicean? Rev. 3:16-17?? (Compare Matt. 25!)
That of Jonah.1:

[1] Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,
[2] Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.
[3] But Jonah rose up to flee unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD, and went down to Joppa; and he found a ship going to Tarshish: so he paid the fare thereof, and went down into it, to go with them unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.
[4] But the LORD sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea, so that the ship was like to be broken.
[5] Then the mariners were afraid, and cried every man unto his god, and cast forth the wares that were in the ship into the sea, to lighten it of them. But Jonah was gone down into the sides of the ship; and he lay, and was fast asleep.

[6] So the shipmaster came to him, and said unto him, What meanest thou, O sleeper? arise, call upon thy God, if so be that God will think upon us, that we perish not.

[7] And they said every one to his fellow, Come, and let us cast lots, that we may know for whose cause this evil is upon us. So they cast lots, and the lot fell upon Jonah.

[8] Then said they unto him, Tell us, we pray thee, for whose cause this evil is upon us; What is thine occupation? and whence comest thou? what is thy country? and of what people art thou?

[9] And he said unto them, I am an Hebrew; and I fear the LORD, the God of heaven, which hath made the sea and the dry land.

[10] Then were the men exceedingly afraid, and said unto him, Why hast thou done this? For the men knew that he fled from the presence of the LORD, because he had told them. (Hay, just like sleeping Laodices, huh?)

[11] Then said they unto him, What shall we do unto thee, that the sea may be calm unto us? for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous.

[12] And he said unto them, Take me up, and cast me forth into the sea; so shall the sea be calm unto you: for I know that for my sake this great tempest is upon you. (But who of Laodicea has time for their sin's of omission??)

[13] Nevertheless the men rowed hard to bring it to the land; but they could not: for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous against them.

[14] Wherefore they cried unto the LORD, and said, We beseech thee, O LORD, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O LORD, hast done as it pleased thee.

[15] So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging. (And Luke 12:47-48 does find who are really responsible)

[16] Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the LORD, and made vows.

[17] Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

What'cha think? The Ending is different, yet the 'world' did benifit ibid 16. --Elijah

Nope, nothing like the Laodocians. That is what you call a stretch.

A stretch?? I don't know how 'i' missed this post?
Anyhow, there are many legalist & Liberals in 'bottom/line', in Laodicea as both Jonah and old Saul, (Paul to be) and they are protrayed as obeying with perhaps not even 1/2 hearted service of wholehearted Born Again Love.

The latter whole is a 'spewed out' fold. (as in Israrel's case. Complete, synagogue of satan after Christ was rejected! Matt. 23:38 & Rev. 3:9 last repeat)

OK: Both had a message to give unto the world as in Jonash's case, From the GODHEAD! (see Luke 12:47-48 for who in this life will be the most accountable) We & Jonah knew what even his smaller individual 'part' was.

Israel was to be a Blessed Nation of God not for the purpose of taking the Everlasting Gospel to the world, but for having the world COME to them to see His Truth & how & why they were Blessed! (like Daniel & his 3 friends) In the New Testament we see this changed to where it is reversed as in Jonah's case. He was to GO to Nineveh as an individual.

OK: Israel flunked the Gospel Covenant CONDITION. Also we 'SEE' that there can be NO Mistake with the Mother and her Harlot Daughters of Rev. 17:5 as well. And out both of these Abominations, the Godhead brought the nearly LAST 'church fold' who also had a good start yet ended as where Jonah was tossed into the 'sea'. (lost 'so far' in that condition)

Here is where you fault me, calling it a stretch?? Laodicea [HAD] as the Godhead call's it, a Rev. 14:6-10 Three Angels Message to give worldwide. They have not only given it up, but are the cause, as was Jonah for the 'strife' of the roaring sea to come upon the earth.

And the Rev. 17:5 ones who profess Christianity? They will also 'toss' Laodicea into the sea in the bottom/line resemblence of 666. Anything to appease an angry God, except repent with Obedience to follow!

And the Laodiceans?? This causes the ending of their SHAKING OR FALLING AWAY as seen in 2 Thess. 2:1-3. Actually, their falling away had been going on for some time now. (1 Peter 4:17)

And the ones of Rev. 12:17 have been leaving the once again DESOLATE Christ/less fold, yet, staying United as still in membership with Laodicea. Only these ones who 'went out to meet Him' are seen in Rev. 3:10.. OUTSIDE AS PHILADELPHIA. Compare Matt. 25:6

And a 'Stretch'?? We are either in 'UNITY with Christ, or 'in Unity' out of Christ!
--Elijah

There are more ten. Read your scripture and count.

I do not very often use the bible of rome, but the King James. But I do like the Jewish O.T. Bible that has been around long before any others!


Exod.20
[1] And God spake all these words, saying,
[2] I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

[3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (number 1)

[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
[5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; (number 2
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[6] And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

[7] Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. (number 3)

[8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (number 4 concludes the first table of stone with our duty to Worship Him)

[12] Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. (number 6)

[13] Thou shalt not kill. (number 7)

[14] Thou shalt not commit adultery. (number 8)

[15] Thou shalt not steal. (number 9)

[16] Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. (number 10's Ending the second table with our duty in regards to God's creation.. our duty to mankind.. see Deut. 5:22!)

[17] Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ---, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

[18] And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.

And even then the DOCUMENTATION was that the Eternal Covenant of the Godhead was the ONLY part of the Word of God that they Themselves wrote. Catholics even believe this, right??

--Elijah