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dennis mann
Exactly 2000 years since Pentecost:
(Click here for the mathematical details.)

As most know, "1260 days" is '360 days x 3½ years'. (A prophetic year has 360 days in it when not adjusted to the sun.) Now it happens that Sept. 11, 2001 "about 9:00 am" (the same hour as the terrorist attack) was exactly 2000 years plus a day (of the 360 day-calendar unadjusted) from Pentecost Sunday (AD 30, 9 am) when the Holy Spirit was poured out on the 120 in the upper room. At that time, they all spoke supernaturally in different languages; God was undoing the TOWER of Babel (BABYLON) curse. (360 x 2000 years = 720,000 days = 1971.2946 normal solar years.) The Spirit told me by various signs to put out the mene/hand code 720,000 days after Jesus' death, which thing I did on Sat., July 21, 2001, 6 p.m. About 50 days later, therefore, was Pentecost (plus 720,000 days) and the Twin Tower disaster.

http://www.bible-codes.org/mene-world-trade-center-2.htm

ACTS 2 PENTECOST was the birth of the NT CHRISTIAN CHURCH............on a SUNDAY, as per our wonderful Administrator/Prophet of God, Shekel.

so, God Himself (the Holy Spirit gave utterance in many different tongues) preached the first NT Sermon of the CHRISTIAN CHURCH.
and 3000 were saved.

saturday is out............sunday is in

Hallelujah!


pentecost = 50th day.........which reminds us of the 50th year , JUBILEE,,,,,,,,,which is a picture of Christ, the Savior , Who set the captives free and canceled all debts!

Hallelujah!

God Himself did NOT select the 7th day of the week to preach the 1st sermon............He selected the 1st day of the week

the 1st day of the week is a weekly anniversary of the resurrection of Christ, and the preaching of the first NT sermon!

Hallelujah!



Eccl12and13
OK....I'll bite there Mr. Math.

First.....the church started with the nation of Israel in the wilderness:

Acts 7

[37] This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
[38] This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:



Second.....who is the ONLY one that can delare something Holy and sanctified? That's right....Only God!!! A coincident or an event happening on a certain day does not give the day Holy status. Only God can do that. Here is an example:

Exod.3
[5] And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

Was 'ALL' of the ground holy? NO! And who declared the part of the ground holy where Moses was standing? The only one who could do such a thing....God!!

Here is another:

Exod.28
[2] And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.
[4] And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.

Are 'ALL' garments holy? NO! Only the ones God declares are holy!!

And here's another:

Exod.35
[2] Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

Are 'ALL' days holy? Of course not! Only the ones God declares are holy!!


So whether it's the breaking of bread:

Acts.20
[7] And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight

Putting up goods:

1Cor.16
[2] Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.


Or any other event or activity that takes place.......if it's not declared 'HOLY' by the only one that can do so....It's not Holy!!!

So the fact that the Day of Pentecost may have happened on the first day of the week does not make it 'Holy'... God makes and declares Holiness.....not events!!!

dennis mann
you said:
"Acts 7

[37] This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
[38] This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:"


my bible (AMPLIFIED BIBLE) does not say church..........it says "assembly"

the 10 commandments are part of the LAW OF MOSES.........which vanished 1900 years ago.........read Hebrews

God destroyed the Jewish Stone Temple and the Judaism religion (the LAW OF MOSES) 1900 YEARS AGO............the LAW was nailed to the Cross in AD 30..........and Rome was sent to destroy the Stone Temple in AD 70

Judaism is destroyed............but THE ELECT NATION ISRAEL continues to be a part of God's focus............many Jews in Israel will soon convert to christianity,,,,,,,,and will serve God in the PROMISED LAND FOREVER
Eccl12and13
QUOTE (dennis mann @ Aug 23 2008, 06:50 PM) *
you said:
"Acts 7

[37] This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
[38] This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:"


my bible (AMPLIFIED BIBLE) does not say church..........it says "assembly"

the 10 commandments are part of the LAW OF MOSES.........which vanished 1900 years ago.........read Hebrews

God destroyed the Jewish Stone Temple and the Judaism religion (the LAW OF MOSES) 1900 YEARS AGO............the LAW was nailed to the Cross in AD 30..........and Rome was sent to destroy the Stone Temple in AD 70

Judaism is destroyed............but THE ELECT NATION ISRAEL continues to be a part of God's focus............many Jews in Israel will soon convert to christianity,,,,,,,,and will serve God in the PROMISED LAND FOREVER



So that's it? That's all you got? The fact that 'your' bible says "assembly" and the KJV says "church"? I find it interesting.......you had nothing to say about the points I brought up!!!

And as far as the people in the land of Israel today.....are they under ALL of the curses the Lord said would come unto them if they did not obey? Let's review for a minute:

Let's read a few of those curses again along with what will happen to Israel when the Lord returns:


Duet 28:

[18] Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

No agricultural growth!

[25] The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

Notice it is God that scatters Israel, '...into ALL the kingdoms...'!

[33] The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:

[36] The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

Now granted, it has taken Israel a very long time to get to state of becoming a country, but according to the scriptures above this should not be.


[49] The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;

[50] A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:

[51] And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.


Again, these curses are to be upon the nation of Israel and her seed FOREVER! Let's read it again:


[45] Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:

[46] And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

[64] And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

[65] And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:


The Lord contines to state that it is He that will scatter Israel. Now if God is the one that scatters Israel, who is powerful enough to gather them? Let's read who that will be and who it is that will rule over them.


Jer. 30

[3] For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

[17] For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.

[18] Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

[19] And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.

Jer.31

[1] At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.


Notice God said He would be the God to ALL THE FAMILIES of Israel. So not only are talking about the tribe of Judah (Jews), but the other 11 tribes also. And not only them but all of the 'heirs to the promise' will He be a God.

[4] Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.

[8] Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.

[10] Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.

Ezek 37

[21] And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:


YES!!!! He that scattered Israel will gather Israel. For no one else can make that happen. Now let's see when this event will happen. Are "ALL" of Israel in their own land today?

Jer. 30

[7] Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.


Now what day is being spoken of here. A day so great that none is like it? Let's read.



Isa.2
[12] For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

Isa.13
[6] Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
[9] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isa.34
[8] For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Jer.46
[10] For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.

Ezek.30
[3] For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.

Joel.1
[15] Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

Joel.2
[1] Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
[11] And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Amos.5
[18] Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
[20] Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

Matt. 24
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

1Thes.5
[2] For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2Pet.3
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


So when is it that Israel will be gathered? Upon the Lord's return.


Now let's read who will be ruling over the nation of Israel.

Ezek. 34

[23] And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.

[24] And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.

Ezek. 37

[22] And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

[24] And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

[25] And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.


So once Israel is gathered, David will be their prince FOR EVER!!!!


So here we see the picture starting to come together:


God scatters Israel.


God gathers Israel.


This is done one time and one time only...at the last day.


And God raises King David from the dead as their ruler.


Now this is the true gathering of Israel.


All I can is this, according to the scriptures, the people occupying the land now..... cannot be Israel.

Take a look at this clip and let me know if this is truly a nation under the curse of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV6K08RFRQs...feature=related



Now as far as the law being nailed to the cross.....I'll have to get back with you on that a little later. Because what you think was nailed to the cross was something totally different. I figured this should be enough reading for you for now.

"Assembly"......WOW!!!!!!
dennis mann
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


deuteronomy 28 vanished ..........1900 years ago..............the LAW OF MOSES.........EXODUS THRU DEUT vanished 1900 years ago..........Jesus nailed it to the cross
dennis mann
Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

this is part of the LAW OF MOSES..........ISRAEL was required to obey the LAW..........so, they SHOULD have listened to Jesus, 2000 years ago.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus lived and died UNDER THE MOSAIC LAW, He obeyed the Law perfectly,

Jesus fulfilled the LAW OF MOSES,,,,,,,,,,and nailed it to the Cross,......... and THE LAW OF MOSES vanished 1900 years ago, at the Cross

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

an infinite God can cause a FOREVER LAW OF MOSES to vanish.........nothing is too hard for a INFINITE GOD.............and He replaced the LAW OF MOSES with a BETTER covenant..............Israel MUST accept the new cov, and abandon the old cov,,,,,,,,because the LAW OF MOSES commands them to do so

Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

the EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH ABRAHAM will always be in full force..........we are saved by Grace thru faith.........God counts us as righteous because we believe God

faith is the Key
Eccl12and13
QUOTE (dennis mann @ Aug 24 2008, 07:48 AM) *
Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

this is part of the LAW OF MOSES..........ISRAEL was required to obey the LAW..........so, they SHOULD have listened to Jesus, 2000 years ago.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus lived and died UNDER THE MOSAIC LAW, He obeyed the Law perfectly,

Jesus fulfilled the LAW OF MOSES,,,,,,,,,,and nailed it to the Cross,......... and THE LAW OF MOSES vanished 1900 years ago, at the Cross

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

an infinite God can cause a FOREVER LAW OF MOSES to vanish.........nothing is too hard for a INFINITE GOD.............and He replaced the LAW OF MOSES with a BETTER covenant..............Israel MUST accept the new cov, and abandon the old cov,,,,,,,,because the LAW OF MOSES commands them to do so

Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

the EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH ABRAHAM will always be in full force..........we are saved by Grace thru faith.........God counts us as righteous because we believe God

faith is the Key


Ok Mr. switch-a-roo!

First I would like to address this issue:

It seem you pick and choose which bible you will quote in order to make your point.

In an earlier reply you used the amplified bible:

"my bible (AMPLIFIED BIBLE) does not say church..........it says "assembly""

I guess since the word 'church' was used to identify with the nation of Israel in the wilderness, you really could not go along with the KJV to support your claim.


But I see in this reply I guess the KJV fits so you quote it:

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hey...that's cool. I am only familier with the KJV so that's what I use. But I bet no matter what bible a person uses, they all will be in agreement.


So let's look into the quote you provided:

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Now if I were new to the scriptures this one verse would seem correct with what it is you are trying to sell me. But is it? Does it really say we are not under the laws of God? Let's do what others seldom do........let's read just a little more than what the 'pastors' give us:


Heb 8:

[7] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

OK...so something about the first covenant had faults and a second was needed.

[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

So now we get to the real problem. The fault did not lie with the covenant itself.....the problem was with "THEM" the nation of Israel.

[9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

And it is explained even more. The problem with "THEM" was that they did not keep the covenant. And just what did the covenant consist of? Let's read on, God is not going to keep us in the dark!

[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

So those same laws that were once written down, posted on door posts, made of tassels to be worn on their clothing, those same LAWS God was now going to write elsewhere; in our MINDS, seared into our hearts!

So now let's continue with the verse you supplied:

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

So it is true, the old covenant is passed away, for fault of the people, not with the covenant. And where is God going to put in His new covenent with Israel?

Heb 8:10. ".....I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts..."

So the new covenant will consist of those same old laws of God and He will place them in our minds.



Now let's look at your other statement:

"Can an infinite God can cause a FOREVER LAW OF MOSES to vanish.........nothing is too hard for a INFINITE GOD............."


Well, contrary to what most think I do know of one thing God CANNOT DO........:


Heb.6
[18] That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie

Mal.3
[6] For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Heb.13
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

1 Chr.16
[15] Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;
[16] Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
[17] And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,


God can not lie! God does not change!! God is the same yesterday, today and for ever!!! God's covenant is everlasting!!!!


So are you saying God made a mistake when He said "Forever" and "Everlasting" You think maybe He wanted to say something else?

dennis mann


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=45;

Hebrews 8 (Amplified Bible)
Amplified Bible (AMP)
Copyright © 1954, 1958, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1987 by The Lockman Foundation



Hebrews 8
1NOW THE main point of what we have to say is this: We have such a High Priest, One Who is seated at the right hand of the majestic [God] in heaven,(A)
2As officiating Priest, a Minister in the holy places and in the true tabernacle which is erected not by man but by the Lord.

3For every high priest is appointed to offer up gifts and sacrifices; so it is essential for this [High Priest] to have some offering to make also.

4If then He were still living on earth, He would not be a priest at all, for there are [already priests] who offer the gifts in accordance with the Law.

5[But these offer] service [merely] as a pattern and as a foreshadowing of [what has its true existence and reality in] the heavenly sanctuary. For when Moses was about to erect the tabernacle, he was warned by God, saying, See to it that you make it all [exactly] according to the copy (the model) which was shown to you on the mountain.

6But as it now is, He [Christ] has acquired a [priestly] ministry which is as much superior and more excellent [than the old] as the covenant (the agreement) of which He is the Mediator (the Arbiter, Agent) is superior and more excellent, [because] it is enacted and rests upon more important (sublimer, higher, and nobler) promises.

7For if that first covenant had been without defect, there would have been no room for another one or an attempt to institute another one.




THE FIRST COVENANT HAD DEFECT






8However, He finds fault with them [showing its inadequacy] when He says, Behold, the days will come, says the Lord, when I will make and ratify a new covenant or agreement with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.




GOD FOUND FAULT WITH THE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT LIVE PERFECTLY AS PER THE COVENANT...........

SO, GOD REPLACED THE OLD COVENANT WITH THE NEW COVENANT,
BECAUSE THE NEW COVENANT IS EASIER TO OBEY




9It will not be like the covenant that I made with their forefathers on the day when I grasped them by the hand to help and relieve them and to lead them out from the land of Egypt, for they did not abide in My agreement with them, and so I withdrew My favor and disregarded them, says the Lord.

10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will imprint My laws upon their minds, even upon their innermost thoughts and understanding, and engrave them upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.




THESE LAWS (VERSE 10) ARE NOT THE LAW OF MOSES..........IT IS THE NEW COVENANT





11And it will nevermore be necessary for each one to teach his neighbor and his fellow citizen or each one his brother, saying, Know (perceive, have knowledge of, and get acquainted by experience with) the Lord, for all will know Me, from the smallest to the greatest of them.

12For I will be merciful and gracious toward their sins and I will remember their deeds of unrighteousness no more.©

13When God speaks of a new [covenant or agreement], He makes the first one obsolete (out of use). And what is obsolete (out of use and annulled because of age) is ripe for disappearance and to be dispensed with altogether.



Cross references:

Hebrews 8:1 : Ps 110:1
Hebrews 8:5 : Exod 25:40
Hebrews 8:12 : Jer 31:31-34


you and i have read the bible, understood it...........and i loved it..........you rejected it

the bible is understandable

you twist the scripture because you hate what the scripture says.

dennis mann
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

peter said
our forefathers,,,,,,the Israelites, could not bear the yoke of obedience to the LAW OF MOSES

THE NEW COVENANT IS BETTER THAN THE OLD COVENANT.........


Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Eccl12and13
QUOTE (dennis mann @ Aug 24 2008, 10:07 AM) *
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=45;

Hebrews 8 (Amplified Bible)
Amplified Bible (AMP)
Copyright © 1954, 1958, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1987 by The Lockman Foundation



Hebrews 8
1NOW THE main point of what we have to say is this: We have such a High Priest, One Who is seated at the right hand of the majestic [God] in heaven,(A)
2As officiating Priest, a Minister in the holy places and in the true tabernacle which is erected not by man but by the Lord.

3For every high priest is appointed to offer up gifts and sacrifices; so it is essential for this [High Priest] to have some offering to make also.

4If then He were still living on earth, He would not be a priest at all, for there are [already priests] who offer the gifts in accordance with the Law.

5[But these offer] service [merely] as a pattern and as a foreshadowing of [what has its true existence and reality in] the heavenly sanctuary. For when Moses was about to erect the tabernacle, he was warned by God, saying, See to it that you make it all [exactly] according to the copy (the model) which was shown to you on the mountain.

6But as it now is, He [Christ] has acquired a [priestly] ministry which is as much superior and more excellent [than the old] as the covenant (the agreement) of which He is the Mediator (the Arbiter, Agent) is superior and more excellent, [because] it is enacted and rests upon more important (sublimer, higher, and nobler) promises.

7For if that first covenant had been without defect, there would have been no room for another one or an attempt to institute another one.




THE FIRST COVENANT HAD DEFECT






8However, He finds fault with them [showing its inadequacy] when He says, Behold, the days will come, says the Lord, when I will make and ratify a new covenant or agreement with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.




GOD FOUND FAULT WITH THE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT LIVE PERFECTLY AS PER THE COVENANT...........

SO, GOD REPLACED THE OLD COVENANT WITH THE NEW COVENANT,
BECAUSE THE NEW COVENANT IS EASIER TO OBEY




9It will not be like the covenant that I made with their forefathers on the day when I grasped them by the hand to help and relieve them and to lead them out from the land of Egypt, for they did not abide in My agreement with them, and so I withdrew My favor and disregarded them, says the Lord.

10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will imprint My laws upon their minds, even upon their innermost thoughts and understanding, and engrave them upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.




THESE LAWS (VERSE 10) ARE NOT THE LAW OF MOSES..........IT IS THE NEW COVENANT





11And it will nevermore be necessary for each one to teach his neighbor and his fellow citizen or each one his brother, saying, Know (perceive, have knowledge of, and get acquainted by experience with) the Lord, for all will know Me, from the smallest to the greatest of them.

12For I will be merciful and gracious toward their sins and I will remember their deeds of unrighteousness no more.©

13When God speaks of a new [covenant or agreement], He makes the first one obsolete (out of use). And what is obsolete (out of use and annulled because of age) is ripe for disappearance and to be dispensed with altogether.



Cross references:

Hebrews 8:1 : Ps 110:1
Hebrews 8:5 : Exod 25:40
Hebrews 8:12 : Jer 31:31-34


you and i have read the bible, understood it...........and i loved it..........you rejected it

the bible is understandable

you twist the scripture because you hate what the scripture says.



Now that was truly funny D. Mann....I'll get to that in a bit!!!!! LOL!!!!

First, as always, please show me in the bible; Book, Chapter and verse where it says the laws that God will imprint upon their minds, is not the laws first given to the nation of Israel.

And yes the covenant was voided, but not the content. But I digress...Again if you can show me from scriptures that the laws were different that would be great.



Now to the funny stuff. It was you last statement, "you twist the scripture because you hate what the scripture says".

Here is what Peter had to say about those that read Pauls writings;

2 Peter 3
[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Is this not "the pot calling the kettle black?"

The only difference is that I do not twist the scriptures. If that were the case I would be having a Baconator right now! No D. Mann....if the scriptures says do not...I don't. And if they say do...I do! I'm not the one looking to get out of doing what God says.

And do I hate the scriptures....at first YES!!!! I like pork, shrimp and all of the other abominations God said not to eat. I saved a bunch of money buying pirated DVD's and Cd's. I won't even say a thing about women. Getting drunk was a given on the weekends. And Saturday was the day I indulged in each and every activity. So yes.....when I came into the true word of God I hated what the scriptures had to say. They said I had to give up the things I enjoyed the most.

But now......Keeping Gods Laws is priority number! Why? Because Jesus said:

Matt 19
17. "... but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

Which ones you ask? Let's read them:

Matt 19
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Wow!!!! Sounds like the same laws Moses gave huh?

dennis mann
in the NT,
JESUS repeated all of the 10 commandments except one............the one about keeping the OT version of the Sabbath

the old covenant (law of moses) has vanished.............JUDAISM is dead
Eccl12and13
QUOTE (dennis mann @ Aug 24 2008, 03:19 PM) *
in the NT,
JESUS repeated all of the 10 commandments except one............the one about keeping the OT version of the Sabbath

the old covenant (law of moses) has vanished.............JUDAISM is dead



Is that it? You are running out of excusses there Mr. D. Mann.

Why would Jesus have to repeat the Sabbath law to make it valid? So are you saying the ommision of stating the law does away with the law? If so, please explain.

Because everywhere I read it says if you break one you break them all. Let's read!!!!

Matt.5
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

That was Jesus quoted above...just incase you didn't know.

Here's another:

James 2
[8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

So just because Jesus didn't say, "You must keep the Sabbath Day Holy", does not mean it is done away with.

Are you guys reading this?

NEXT!!!!!!!
dennis mann
matthew 5 was in OT times.............UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES...........KEEPING THE SABBATH was required in OT times

Jesus lived and died UNDER THE MOSAIC LAW.

Jesus nailed that LAW to the Cross, killing it,,,,,,,,,,destroyed JUDAISM AND THE TEMPLE,,,,,,,,scattered and exiled JUDAISM all over the world...........because they rejected the Messiah and the NEW COVENANT

read Collossians 2;16
and galatians


who persecuted the early christian church?..............it was JUDAISM........Paul, the Judaizer, murdered and jailed the church, until his conversion.......the wicked always persecutes the righteous........and the righteous is always the persecuted

the JUDAIZERS are not saved..........read galatians
Elijah674
----SATURDAY AT SUNDOWN!!-----

After Saturday sunset, the spices that had been all prepared beforehand, found the women [waiting for daylight?] You got to be off your Spiritual Rocker!! It is hard for a non/Christian to understand what anyone who loves their master would do, it seems? Well, 'i' will tell you what they did! (while the men were all in hiding for fear, fear from the 'keepers' of Moses law)

The women are recorded to proceed.."..as it [began to dawn] toward the first day of the week.." when was this? Verse 2-6 & v. 6 says, "He is not here: for he is risen.." It is a fact that Christ was gone already! 'Easter' was what???
Was it sunrise? Hardly!! They were keeping the Seventh-day Sabbath! THEY WERE NOW GOING TO DO A WORK THAT THEY WOULD NOT DO BEFORE!! But again, when did they start this work? Notice!

Christ was gone well before daylight. Lets check another? But lets use the Apostates favorite, you never hear of these other passages in April, at least not in full context. "And when the Sabbath was past...And very early in the morning...they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. Even this does not say when the Master arose!

Another from Luke 24 in part. "Very early in the morning, they came ..
bringing spices which they had prepared..And they found the stone rolled away..And found not the body of the Lord Jesus." Again, the Evening & the Morning made the day, night first, (check every day of creation out!) and the light part last! What time was it? It is a Gospel Truth that Christ was already arisen BEFORE OUR Sunday HAD ANY SUNSHINE!

It seems that John who lived the longest, and who wrote the Rev. would
be able to give us a good report? He was inspired to pen his words in chapter 20 giving us the total thoughts of the Godhead from both angles.

He tells us about the women coming to the tomb & where the men were? And why they were in hiding. And also about the time of day it really was, as found in verses 1 & 19. In part it says,

"The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, (notice the word EARLY again) when it was [yet dark,] unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre." When it was yet dark & Christ was gone already!!!

Remember that Jn. wrote Rev. near 96 A.D. 27 yrs after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. He could have 'tidied' any previous understanding up, if it had been needed.

Read on, for there was quite a commotion! We will continue on in verse 11
. Mary is broken up & crying, and remember it is 'yet dark'
"and when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and she saw Jesus
standing, and [knew not] that it was Jesus. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Again why did she not recognize him before? It was dark & she was weeping! (these were real tears friend!!)

Notice another point. Think about the thief on the cross which some say went straight into paradise that same day that he died? Remember that Jesus was in the grave nearly three day before his resurrection. In verse 17 He tells us that, "..Touch me not for I am not yet ascended to my Father.." Yet what day does the Gospel tell us that this was? Notice verse 19, Christ did not go right straight back to His Father upon His death or His resurection.

"Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, where the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews.." And some of the professed call this a worship service. 1dsz5f1.gif But again verse one call this.. "while it was yet dark"! Here it is the same day, AND the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK! Go slowly..it is dark, night, & Sunday. (Or Saturday Night as we know it.) Do you remember that the Sabbath was past at SUNSET? And in Gen. 1, the dark part comes first? The Gospel says that the 'evening and the morning were the first day.' try Gen. 1:5 & 8 & 13 & 19 & 23 & Gen. 2:2-3 man was created and the Sabbath given.

Is your message something new? Hardly!
"And he (satan-great whore) shall speak great words against the most High....and think to change times and laws.." Dan. 7:25

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that were against us..took it out of the way, nailing it to the cross.."
And you are saying that this is the Royal Eternal Covenant of the Universe that the Godhead penned Theirself!! God/Forbide!!

You do [your] thing, (try Eph. 6:12) but re/read the Gospel, stating that, 's'atan will.."think to change times and laws." The 'Remnant' will have NO part with that! Then see Eze. 9!
But God asks, "What is new? Nothing new under the sun." They tell us! Try Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl.3:15
In the Masters service for the quick ending of His work, Elijah
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