Why did Jesus curse the fig tree when it did not produce its fruit?Does this have a symbolism?Does the tree symbolise us?

Mat 21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

The fig tree seems a simple matter...........it's the nation of Israel isn't it?

But there is nowhere in the Bible that directly correlates the Fig Tree to Israel.(.....I believe.....)

(Prove me wrong..)


The Fig Tree is mentioned in the context of Jesus on his way to the Temple.
Mat 21:23 ¶ And when he was come into the temple,

In Jeremiah's awesome vision, where are the Figs?
Jer 24:1 ¶ The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs [were] set before the temple of the LORD,

Set before the Temple.

Are the figs (fruit represents Spiritual produce) the spiritual produce of the Temple?

The Temple in the time of Jeremiah was producing good figs and rotten to the core figs?


Remember Jesus said that the fig tree he cursed would never produce fruit 'henceforth and for ever.'

In the parable of the fig tree, Matthew 24, the fig tree is producing leaves, but not fruit.

Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors.

Is Jesus telling us that when we see a rebuilt Temple, (which is of course incapable of producing spiritual fruit,
since we are now in the Temple of Jesus,)
that then things are imminent?

One thing the Fig Tree can't really be, if we follow the imagery, is the Nation of Israel.

Why?

Because the fig tree is cursed never ever to produce fruit again.

Whereas Israel is destined to produce fruit.

Isa 27:6 He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.

Friend says:

As Matt 24 is the chapter of the end of the Age, with much prophecy I say it seems to me that it is perhaps telling of
the timing of the events that will be of the end of this Age, just as verse 33 says. Nothing really more than that.
This is a sign for us to know that the end is very near in the Last DAYS, before our Lord will come in the clouds.

Hi friend.

thanks for the reply.

which 'age' though?

The age of Israel, to be followed by the Age of the Gentiles?

joel 1;7...........the fig tree is THE ELECT NATION ISRAEL

when christ died,,,,,,,,,and the NT started,,,,,,,,,,,all people on earth should have become NT believers...........because the LAW OF MOSES reached a vanishing point 1900 years ago


Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


ISRAEL had failed to produce good fruit...........so, God gave us a NEW BETTER COVENANT..........the LAW OF MOSES was out...........the Law of Christ and Love was in

authority and anointing and the "Presence of God" was transferred from THE ELECT NATION ISRAEL to THE NT CHURCH

even after the "times of the gentiles" ends,,,,,,,,and Daniel's 70th week starts..........and the "Time of Jacob's trouble" starts...........the PRESENCE is with the NT believers (NOT THE OT ISRAEL)

we will NEVER go back to the OT covenant (LAW OF MOSES),,,,,,,,,,That Fig Tree is cursed and it died

how does Israel get saved in the TRIB?..........the NT Way,,,,,,,,,,,(not the LAW OF MOSES)



Joe 1:1 The word of the LORD that came to Joel the son of Pethuel.
Joe 1:2 Hear this, ye old men, and give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land. Hath this been in your days, or even in the days of your fathers?
Joe 1:3 Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation.
Joe 1:4 That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten.
Joe 1:5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
Joe 1:6 For a nation is come up upon my land, strong, and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion.
Joe 1:7 He hath laid my vine waste, and barked my fig tree: he hath made it clean bare, and cast it away; the branches thereof are made white.
Joe 1:8 Lament like a virgin girded with sackcloth for the husband of her youth.
Joe 1:9 The meat offering and the drink offering is cut off from the house of the LORD; the priests, the LORD'S ministers, mourn.
Joe 1:10 The field is wasted, the land mourneth; for the corn is wasted: the new wine is dried up, the oil languisheth.
Joe 1:11 Be ye ashamed, O ye husbandmen; howl, O ye vinedressers, for the wheat and for the barley; because the harvest of the field is perished.
Joe 1:12 The vine is dried up, and the fig tree languisheth; the pomegranate tree, the palm tree also, and the apple tree, even all the trees of the field, are withered: because joy is withered away from the sons of men.
Joe 1:13 Gird yourselves, and lament, ye priests: howl, ye ministers of the altar: come, lie all night in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God: for the meat offering and the drink offering is withholden from the house of your God.
Joe 1:14 Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD,
Joe 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
Joe 1:16 Is not the meat cut off before our eyes, yea, joy and gladness from the house of our God?

amplified bible
isaiah 26;16..........israel is chastened

v19............the rapture/resurrection
v20...............endtimes..........wrath of god...........israel is secluded from the wrath
v21...........end of trib

isaaih 27;1.............mill reign
satan is killed/defeated
verses 2-6..............israel will blossom in the mill reign.............israel will serve the Lord in the PROMISED LAND FOREVER.............
israel is saved the NT Way (not the LAW OF MOSES WAY)

when jesus cursed the fig tree,,,,,,,,,he was indicating the end of the LAW OF MOSES WAY OF SERVING GOD

The parable of the fig tree tells us that two baskets of figs were set out in Jerusalem....one very good and one very evil. The fig tree Christ cursed is...the evil fig tree. It isn't the house of Israel (Christians) nor is it the Nation of Israel (Jews). It is ......

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie: behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Both baskets (good and evil) were set out in Jerusalem in 1948. Who do you see there today? The evil are led by...

Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Notice how the chapter and verse...9:11 tells us of the leader of the evil figs that carried out....9/11.


Editing to add....This fig tree being cursed is a shoot from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The one from which Adam and Eve took leaves to cover themselves. The fig parable begins in the garden and ends in Revelation.

Interesting Dennis.


"when jesus cursed the fig tree,,,,,,,,,he was indicating the end of the LAW OF MOSES WAY OF SERVING GOD"

we are sort of agreeing I think........

but not what you say in your first post, (that the fig tree is the elect nation Israel)

..

we gentile christians (the wild olive shoots) are grafted into the OLIVE TREE (ISRAEL).........

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

so, in that sense, ISRAEL still lives,,,,,,,,,,but not under the LAW OF MOSES

but , what is the difference between the OLIVE TREE and the FIG TREE?............I HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT

unless,..........israel under the mosaic law is the fig tree..........and the everlasting true israel (NT?) is the olive tree?

i don't know



Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
JACOB = FLESH
ISRAEL = SPIRIT



Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
THE 12 GATES ARE NAMED THE 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL.............EACH GATE IS A PEARL...........
V27.........NO UN-CLEAN PERSON WILL ENTER THE GATES



so, the fig tree is physical israel (under the MOSAIC LAW)?.............
AND
the olive tree is SPIRITUAL ISRAEL?........OLIVE TREE was where israel got it's oil ..........oil = holy spirit............olive oil


Exo 27:20 And thou shalt command the children of Israel, that they bring thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamp to burn always.

Zec 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

gold = deity

golden oil = GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT

Interesting study guys! I am listening.... and pondering it all as well. Marcus I to have always thought Israel was the Fig tree.... I am not so sure now. As I was sitting here pondering it all.... then I to thought of the Olive tree, only to find when I continued reading that you were talking of that as well.

Well now I am reminded of Ezekiel and the "sticks" being joined together.

I guess I will go ponder some more.

In Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming

Hello Simple,
I enjoy reading your thoughts on this discussion. For we are all seeking understanding.

From all I read in my opinion, it is the Age of Man ruling over the earth, Law
given by God to Jacob's seed is what Jesus is speaking about through out the NT, that
man has taken dominion over it, implementing it to the people of God, wrongfully, sinfully,
abusively, and the meek, the lowly, etc will be exalted instead of the wise of this world now.

His message to them and what is coming when Christ returns to take the Throne back as

Ezek 21:25-26 O profane and wicked prince of Israel, whose day "HAS COME," whose time of punishment has reached its
climax, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: "Take OFF your TURBAN, and REMOVE YOUR CROWN."

It will NOT BE AS IT WAS: The lowly will be exalted and the exalted will be brought LOW. ( an event when God reigns here)

27.) A ruin A ruin, I will make it a ruin! (sounds like the destruction of Jerusalem will be a ruin) It will not be restored until HE COMES to whom it rightfully belongs.

this chapter goes on to speak about the Day of Wrath that is coming, whose (29) Day has come for punishment by God.

This is the end of Man's GOVERNMENT reigning over the people of the earth that belong to GOD.

Now, we who KNOW GOD in our hearts are under this government also, but our KINGDOM is from ABOVE, as Christ said HIS KINGDOM was NOT of this WORLD.

This is the AGE that is ending and the 1000 yrs reign of God's government under Christ will come upon this earth as the prophecy of Matthew 24 is completed.

The fig tree will be a sign unto us as the sprouts will be small, a season over in Jerusalem that our Lord has predestined these events to take place. We won't know the DAY or the HOUR, but we are given many events that will be taking place to know and understand His return is near.

This Age will end the resurrection will take place when everything written by God about the Jews are fulfilled and the Gentiles, the end will come and man without God will no longer control this earth, God will.

I'd like to share with you and interesting verse that fulfills Matt 24:14 which is the prophecy spoken by God that when the Gospel of the Kingdom has been preached into all the world, then Jesus makes a clear statement that the end will come. Right?

In God's grace he opened my eyes and He showed me that this event that finishes the Age of Man in control over the earth and brings Christ back is performed by an Angel he sends, not the Church with the Great Commission. I am NOT saying that we are to stop preaching the gospel, only an angle fulfills this role then the End COMES.

Rev 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he HAD the ETERNAL GOSPEL to proclaim to those who LIVE on the earth, every TRIBE, NATION, LANGUAGE, AND PEOPLE, because HIS JUDGMENT has COME.

Yes, the Judgment spoken of in @ Cor 5:10 For we must ALL appear before the JUDGMENT SEAT of Chirst, that each one may receive what is due him, for the things done "WHILE IN THE BODY", whether GOOD or BAD.

This Day is fast approaching us and as Revelations 14 goes on to describe the angel swinging the sickle across the earth to gather the good grapes, this is the people of the earth that are Christ's being removed. This is when it happens, then the bad grapes are left here for the WRATH of God, as Isaiah, 26:20-21 says we are gathered and put into the rooms prepared for us and the doors are shut, 21) God comes out of His dwelling and punishes the people of the earth for their sins.

Then we have much more that happens, but this is enough in explaining the end of the Age and what God describes in it.

Thank you for speaking on this topic of the figs and letting me share with you what I understand and see from Scriptures written on this time of the end which the fig tree encompasses.

Friend

Friend : "From all I read in my opinion, it is the Age of Man ruling over the earth"

Hi friend.

Yes......that's certainly one way to understand it.

There are people here much more knowledgeable than myself who would say that.

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My inclination is to read most of Matt 24 as being about AD 70, i.e. up to verse 28.

The problem with that of course is that it leaves us high and dry for today.

I'm tending to see the fig tree parable of Matt 24 as the link between AD 70 and the end,
in the sense that it is cursed (Matt 21) = destruction of the Temple, and then
it revives as in the parable but doesn't bear fruit = the rebuilt Temple in the final End days as some kind of great delusion.......

The tares are gathered first and they are those that are gathered with a sickle.....

Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, 'Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Grapes are delicate and wouldn't be gathered with a sickle...unless it was to destroy them.

WW: The parable of the fig tree tells us that two baskets of figs were set out in Jerusalem....one very good and one very evil. The fig tree Christ cursed is...the evil fig tree. It isn't the house of Israel (Christians) nor is it the Nation of Israel (Jews). It is ......

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie: behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Hi WW.

I suppose we can eliminate what the Fig Tree isn't, that's true.

It is not the House of Israel, because the Olive Tree is that...that's true.

Hi Simple,
Thank you for your reply. I see what you are saying and there are many who have different opinions on this area
written for us all. I am keeping my self OPEN for changes that may come to surface as we progress into the end of this Age for these events to happen.

The Fig tree is descriptive of Israel, and the vine is what we Christians are identified with in the OT and the NT.
Joel 1:7 is a description that is speaking of the end of the Age.

If you can re read Joel again and understand Christian's are the Vine iand Israel, where Fig tree is and read it through,,for this is time of the end this prophet spoke of Joel 2:22 The trees are bearing their fruit (Israel) the fig tree,
and the Vine, the Christians yield OUR RICHES. As God said from our deeds we have laid up treasures in heaven given to us in the Kingdom that will reign here on earth. Keep up your deeds and acts of love for our rewards are coming.

Friend.

Hello my brother, Good verses to use for the outline of events that come upon the earth quoted by the Lord to let us know the events in order.

Isa 26 is speaking of the entire calling of fristfruits and the people of Christ verse 15/ You have enlarged the nation, you have EXTENDED the BORDERS, is a prophecy of when Our Lord comes he will extend the lands borders for all the gentiles that have been grafted in through Christ to dwell there in the Land. For he has gained glory for himself in us also.

26:16 is the distress of God's people from the tribulation that has come upon them, called our discipline by God to refine us as gold (Daniel 11:31-33)

26:17 NIV) As a woman with child "we christians and Israelites" are going through the birth canal

26:18 We were with child, but we gave birth to the WIND. For WE Brought NOTHING, NOT even SALVATION to the earth.
(we have been with the Son) and OUR GOSPEL of doctrines gave NO birth to salvation for the earth's people. For we thought it was our power of preaching salvation that has saved and God shows us it is HIM, He GAVE the SON, and He GAVE the SALVATION to mankind, not us with our teachings about him. WE will learn this lesson very well, all of us who have thought this way, during this time of tribulation that is comes first.

Then the resurrection of the dead right after the tribulation
26:19 But your dead will LIVE and their bodies will rise.
The EARTH will give birth to her DEAD.

26:20 We are taken from the earth by the sickle swung, as our head are lifted up to see our Savior in the Clouds (I Thess 4:15) this rapture takes place and we are put into our rooms.

For the punishment of God's WRATH is coming upon the earth AFTER we are put into these rooms. John 14:1-4 speaks about these rooms also.

26:21 See, the LORD is coming out of HIS DWELLING to punish the people of the earth for their sins.

We Christians are in our rooms prepared for us who have known the WAY. (John 14:1-4)

Just like when the angel of death flew over Egypt and the door post who had blood on them were saved.
This same type of event is what happens with us.

We are in our rooms and the blood of the Lamb has saved us from God's Wrath that is coming over the
earth when we are put into our rooms.

We have a lot that is going to happen and then we will be brought out to face our Judgment
As 2 Cor 5:10 For WE MUST ALL appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each ONE may RECEIVE what is DUE
him, for the "THINGS DONE WHILE IN THE BODY, WHETHER GOOD OR BAD.
5:11 SINCE, THEN WE KNOW WHAT IT IS TO FEAR THE LORD.

Thank you for this time of sharing our thoughts and scriptures with each other. For we have a Lord who
will soon bring all this to pass. Let us all be busy with deeds that bring great rewards of riches and not
be told, as we are HIS sheep, " Go to the Left", strive for the admonition, "go to my right".

Friend.

Yes, I agree with that the tares are bundled up and removed and taken to the place prescribed by God for the Wrath of God
And the sickle is swing across the earth to gather us up in the air as 1 Thess 4:15 says we will lift our head and as we see the Son of Man coming in the clouds we will be taken and put into the rooms Isa 26:20 speaks of. Amen!!!

Friend
Friend

Hi Friend........I will reread Joel, but it is always quite thorny.

Keeping it relatively (!!) simple, by sticking to Matt 24,

the disciples ask Jesus - 2nd question - 'what will be the sign ......of the end of the world?'

Jesus then refers to 'the end' in verse 14, which he then explains, verse 15, in terms of the abomination of desolation.

So my logic, (which may be far from adequate in this matter!!!!) , tells me that the end referred to is the destruction of the Temple in Ad 70, and the end of the
Jewish religious system, (Luke 21, v 20) , rather than the end of the world.


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Its tricky stuff............it only makes sense to me if the Fig Tree represents the Temple,

and therefore the whole prophecy becomes about a rebuilt Temple before Jesus returns.

If the Fig Tree is about a rebuilt Temple, then all the verses about the destruction of Herod's Temple, and events in the first century, i.e. up to verse 28,

have a repeat application, once the Temple is rebuilt.

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And why is all this so vexedly hard to understand?
And why is the Fig Tree such an enigmatic symbol,
i.e. an unresolved parable?

I suspect because the strong Delusion will centre on the rebuilt Temple,
and God is not giving us a whole lot of info,
or else the power of the delusion will be diminished.

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So to sumarize, the sign of Jesus' Coming, and the end of the World,
is the rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem.

Friend....you misunderstand what I have written. It appears to have nothing to do with your subject of the fig tree but the fig tree represents the bad figs in the parable of the fig tree. The tares and the bad figs or bad grapes are one and the same. The importance of these verses are that they are telling us that both will be here...the good and the bad.

When the sickle swings it is for the tares....not the grapes, not us. We are both here on earth but as the verse said...the tares are gathered first. We, the wheat, are gathered into the barn but we do not leave this earth.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity:

42. And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43.Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

The tares are gathered, they are those that offend and do iniquity. What happens to them is the indignation spoken of in the Isaiah verse you quoted:

Isaiah 26:20 Come My People, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

But we are to "go into thy chambers." And "shut thy doors." We aren't going anywhere Friend. We will be here, protected from any harm but nevertheless...we will be here behind our doors, and in our chambers. At least....that is my understanding of those scriptures.

I know this is long, but this is my study on the Fig Tree....

Jesus now says to learn a parable which is learned from the fig tree. This parable is not speaking about a natural tree it is speaking symbolically. So, this means there is something important we need to know about he fig tree and about the way the bible uses it. Once we understand this we will know to be ready and when to be ready.

(Matthew 24:32-34) “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as it twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at your door. 34 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. So, what is Jesus telling us? It is not to actually watch for the blossoms of the fig tree then the end will come. Don’t take the words for it context, but understand its meaning. This parable is perfect for showing us why we must seek God for His revelations. The Word says to learn from the fig tree, so the first thing we must understand is that the fig tree is a picture of Israel. It is symbolic for Israel in the New Testament. From this point on remember: Fig Tree = Israel.

(Mark 11: 12-25) The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it. 15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He over turned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 17 And as he taught them, he said, “It is not written: “My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations’? But you have made it a ‘den of robbers.’ 18 The chief priests and the teachers of the law heard this and began looking for a way to kill him, for they feared him, because the whole crowd was amazed at his teachings. 19 When evening came, they went out of the city. 20 In the morning, as they went along they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. 21 Peter remembered and said to Jesus, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!” 22 “Have faith in God,” Jesus answered. 23 “I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. 24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. 25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.” Christ is hungry and from far off He spots a fig tree, but when He comes up on this tree it is void of fruit, so He cursed it. Why did He curse it? Because it was not yet time for the figs. This does not seem fair, so what are we to learn from this parable? One thing about he fig tree is that it will first bring forth it blossoms with the potential of bringing forth fruit before it brings forth leaves. The fruit and the leaves develop together, so if there is no fruit with the leaves, there will not be fruit on it for that year.

In our lives God wants us to bring forth fruit, but a lot of the times we just want the leaves. Why just the leaves, because bringing forth fruit and leaves together takes molding by the Lord’s hands and having the desire is our part. Sometimes our desire is there, but we don’t want to go through the molding process because this is the stage where we get emptied. Remember, we are clay pot vessels for His works not ours. He wants to bring forth fruit with leaves. It may be immature fruit, but there is fruit. Remember, milk then meat. He was hungry for the fruit on the tree, and it also said it was not yet time for fruit. You could also say that the tree was not yet ready. There is a principle here, and that is, what is the problem with Israel? It is found in (Luke 19:41-46) As he approach Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it. 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace–but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you. 45 Then he entered the temple area and began driving out those who were selling. 46 “It is written,” he said to them, “My house will be a house of prayer’; but you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’ The same thing is happening, He goes into the temple and He casts them out, but what did He say before that? Peace belongs to you, Christ came to save the Jewish people and to save the nation of Israel. They did not recognize the time of their visitation and Christ wept. He did not say this with vengeance, because it is His hearts desire to save men not to destroy him. Because they were not ready to receive, they were out of season, they were not in tuned with God’s time. One thing about God’s time is we are in the grace age. We are under grace, not under the law. No matter how many times we miss, it is always God’s time. In grace, its always time. He is always right there beside us. Some people misunderstand faith, our faith is not faith in faith, meaning do I believe enough. Our faith is in God. Have faith in God not faith in faith. Faith in God, believing in Him that He will do what He said He will do. You know what our problem tends to be? PATIENCE..

See if sounds familiar because the events that have taken place on this forum lately.....

Let me tell you a story of a young man that attended a Church Convention service, he had only been a believer for about two years at that point. As you read it, ask yourself, could that be me?

This young man so badly wanted to be filled with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Everyone around him was being knocked over in the spirit and people were being healed. He felt absolutely nothing, he felt as dry as a bag crackers. He was reaching up saying, ‘I believe, I believe.’ What this man was doing was looking at himself and not trying to believe in God, but trying to stir up enough faith. There are 3 types of faith, “right?” (just read on)...
1. Emotional faith= one in which you get all excited trying to convince yourself.
2. Intellectual faith= one in which you tell yourself you believe but you keep thinking to yourself, why should you believe.
3. TRUE FAITH= the only faith which is faith in Christ Jesus in us coming forth and saying YES, MY GOD IS FAITHFUL! Number 3 is the only faith we should have. Sadly enough we walk around with number 1 and 2, which is really unbelief.

Within 10 minutes of each other two ushers had rushed up to this young man and gave him the same word, “God’s favor is upon you, whatever you ask for tonight God will grant.” This man got so excited he started praying, “I wanna be used by you Lord, totally sold out for you God, I just want to live for you, and I wanna walk in the presence of God.”
That was this mans prayer, and something did happen that night. He wept and his friend asked him how it went. He just keep weeping with tears of bitterness and disappointment. Why, because God did not move on this man’s time for heaven and earth did not move for him that night. It was not until 2 years later while in a bible study did the Lord recall to his memory that pray he prayed.
The Lord spoke to him, “I am answering that prayer right now.” Now, if he had just prayed for the Lord to fill him with the Holy Spirit that night he would have become a tyrant, someone without compassion, with ambition, arrogant, but moving with a lot of zeal. This person had a lot of zeal, but not enough of Christ in his soul. Even to move in the gifts of the spirit does not take a lot of maturity. A new born Christian can move in prophecy, visions, dreams, or whatever, because it doesn’t take a lot of maturity for that.
You know what maturity brings? A character of Christ to move in brining us into consistency with those gifts in His Spirit along with understanding. That is the difference between a person who is open to the spirit and allows the spirit to move through them. A person who is mature and the character of Christ brings forth a consistency in the spirit. Do you know why there is a consistency? Because when we are immature with our reborn spirit, the Holy Spirit speaks into our soul and gives us revelation and we speak that out. If we have anything of our own ‘self’ still involved in that, we will taint the word.

You’ve seen where there will be a prophecy and as words are coming out, the person will add or subtract, not knowingly, maybe because of pride, because you know that person’s character. This causes the word to come out harsher than God wanted it, this is tainting the word. The soul is like a vessel that’s meant to be emptied, but if there is sediment left in there, the sediment will get mixed up with the revelation. It does not mean that none of the revelation was from God, it just means that it was not all from God. When a person is not mature you have to be careful about the words that come forth. This is why the word tells us to judge everything. You need to take it to the Lord and ask if it bares witness with my heart, which in turn should develop maturity.
What’s character? Focusing on Jesus, were praying, we have no preconceived thoughts, were not judgmental, were not critical , and we allow the spirit of God to speak through us in a clear precise manner which brings healing and not confusion or pain.

All of this is what he prayed for so God had to empty him first. When we pray in spirit and truth, we don’t really realize what starts to take place in the heavens. Since we don’t like to die to self daily, God is going to allow circumstance to do it for us. At the time of his prayer he didn’t realize the scope of his prayer, God does not baptize you in the Holy Spirit until those thing in you that are not from Him are emptied. He deals with the heart first. Christ comes in to dwell within your heart when you are reborn. Then He starts cleaning house in your heart so He can flow through you with His words and His ways. You need to learn to say, ‘it’s not me, it’s Christ in me’ and ‘by the power of the Holy Spirit.’ We need to know that everyday is our day of visitation, not saying ‘well one day.’ If you miss it today, you can go to Him and get it, because God is always there to meet us. Now, you will need to eventually need to start ‘drinking milk’ and start understanding. We are only appointed so many days in this life.

Israel wasn’t under grace, but there is time, so what does that say to us? The time is today for the Lord to move in our hearts and set us free. The Israelites did not realize their time of visitation then, but it is now for us. Learn from the fig tree, it was not ready so Jesus cursed it, it withered and never bore fruit again. When we read Mark 11 where Jesus went in and cleansed the temple showing that it was unfruitful, and when He came out again and Peter saw the fig tree dried up, he was astounded, and he said, ‘How can this be?’ Jesus answered, “If you believe in God you will be able to do the same things. (Have faith in God, not man.) Some people have faith in the word of God, but not God. They don’t really know Jesus. The purpose of your relationship with God is to LOVE. Most of us still have misconceptions of God’s love and you can tell if you still have these misconceptions of His love. How? If you are anxious and fearful sometimes, because if you truly understood God’s love perfectly you would never be fearful or anxious again. Not only is He perfect love but He is totally sovereign. His word says, ‘not even a hair on your head will parish.’ God wants you to understand so He restores and renews your understanding. The purpose of everything is to know His love spoken of in Ephesians. It is not to know doctrine, not to know scriptures and have a bunch of head knowledge, but to know Him, His love and HIS understanding. The Lord wants us to know that the time of visitation is today. Today is the day of salvation so get to know Him better. There He gives Peter instruction, what ever you ask for in prayer, in faith, it will be done. Do you wonder why it will be done? Because if you have the heart of God, you are wanting the same as God wants, so He grants them, and your prayers line up to His words, His desires, and not ours. This is where so many people get confused over it. Many say, ‘the word tells us that He will give us the desire of our hearts.’ This is so true, but if you are not lined up to Him, your desires may not be what you expect. If your life is not going right, ask yourself what is in your heart because it also says what ever is in a man’s heart so will he be. If you are anxious over money all the time, so shall you be. It is very important to catch this understanding. Now God will ordain trials in your life, and when things look confusing all around you, He wants you to just trust Him. God will not remove the mountain until you TRULY begin to trust in Him and His love. Also, you must forgive so that you may be forgiven. Being prepared is the KEY, if you have any doubt, bitterness, or un-forgiveness confess these things to the Lord and allow Him to remove them.

It says the fig tree withered up and this was a prophetic word for Israel. For almost 2000 years Israel has been withered up. In 70 AD it was withered up because they didn’t know their time of visitation. (Romans 11: 1) I ask them; Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. The great thing is even though they missed their time of visitation, God still did not cast them away, they are His people. We as Christians have Christ in us and we sometimes blow it with God. We can wither up and withdraw from God, but He will never cast us away during our time of visitation. (Romans 11:11) Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgressions, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. Even though they’ve fallen, but not to be destroyed, but so God can restore them. The Gentiles are given the opportunity to be that vessel. (Romans 11:25-28) I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” 28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as elections is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. . All of Israel will be saved, it doesn’t say all Jews will be saved because if you don’t receive Christ you will not be saved. There will come a time when the antichrist will gather the armies of the world against Jerusalem. In the middle of the tribulation the antichrist will reveal himself, at the same moment Christ appears on the clouds and takes the general church and He splits open the Mt. of Olives. The Israelites go to the Valley of Achor, and all that go there will be saved.

(Romans 11:29) for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. No matter how much they reject, deviled and crucified Christ, God did not reject them. They are still His people, but we the Gentiles are a heavenly nation chosen by God. Israel is an earthly nation chosen by God. (Romans 11: 30-34) Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound all men over the disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. 33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgements, and his paths beyond tracing out! 34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor? He is overwhelmed by God’s salvation. He’s bringing back the Jews and then His plan will be complete. He’s overwhelmed because Paul understood the love of God in His perfection.

When we go through trials we get into “OH NO!” Paul saw his nation rejecting Christ and the persecution against them, and he knew the difficulty the church would go through over the next 2000 years. He also knew the end and was over whelmed at God’s love toward such a rebellious nation. This is why the word tells us to give thanks in all things for all things. We cannot see the big picture but God’s ways are perfect. When we go through a trial, and God brings you through it, you say WOW! God brought me through to the end. If you want to see miracles you need to have a reason for miracles. For the dead to be raised, someone has to die. In other words, if you want to see the hand of God move, you have to allow crises to come in so His hands can move. We want to see the glory, but not the suffering that is required to bring forth the glory. The Lord has not rejected His people, He has pushed them to one side for a moment, for a time...

Another point about the fig tree is in (Gen. 3:6-7) When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. So Eve took from the tree of knowledge. There are 3 types of trees in the Garden of Eden, one for the spirit, one for the body, and one for food, the Trinity. They choose the soulish things over Christ. What type of tree would that be symbolic of? As soon as they ate it they realized their nakedness and grabbed some fig leaves to cover themselves. We all know the difference between good and evil, but until we are born again we won’t know what to do with the knowledge. You can know a lot of text but until your born again it’s meaning will stay hidden.

Another point is found in (John 1:45-51) Philip found Nathanael and told him, “We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote–Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.” 46 “Nazareth! Can anything good come from there?” Nathanael asked. “Come and see,” said Philip. 47 When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, he said of him, “Here is the true Israelite, in whom there is nothing false.” 48 “How do you know me? Nathanael asked. Jesus answered, “I saw you while you were still under the fig tree before Philip called you.” 49 Then Nathanael declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel.” 50 Jesus said, “You believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You shall see greater thing than that.” 51 he then added, “I tell you the truth, you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.” Nathanael was sitting under a fig tree before he found Christ and Philip tells him he found Christ. He states can anything good thing come from there? The fig tree was shading him and he could not receive revelation. The fig tree of wrong understanding shaded the people of Israel. It is only after Philip, an evangelist, called him out from under the fig tree then he received revelation.

Our own fig tree prevents us from receiving what God has for us. We get a word of encouragement and we wonder if God could really want that for us. We begin to doubt our self and wonder could that really be for me. Our knowledge begins to remember difficult times and we start to try to rationalize everything and whatever faith we had is now covered up instead of saying, ‘I know my God is faithful in spite of everything. There are good fig trees too but, until we receive revelation knowledge and rid ourselves of head knowledge of the word, we will be hindered and we will not be receiving what God wants for us. The bible speaks about this in (Romans 12:2) Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will. We need a transformation on our understanding and this comes from meditating on the Word and allowing Christ to come forth in us, and He transforms us, not man. When you pray, focus on His love, know His love, get into revelation, and move away from that shaded fig tree of past experiences. This is what the Bride of Christ has, you have to get up and away from the wrong understandings that have robbed you.

What about Israel? (Romans 10:1-4) Brother’s my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. 2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. They have zeal for God but why were they not saved? Because they were being ignorant of God’s righteousness and they were seeking to establish their own righteousness. They were not submitting to God’s righteousness. They’re under that shaded fig tree.

Adam and Eve took the fig leaves and tried to cover their nakedness and that is what legalism is. They in their own self-effort have done this and until they allow God to remove those leaves and expose their nakedness, (sin) so they can repent and then be clothed in the blood of Jesus. We sometime have the same problem, we seek to establish our own righteousness. We try to atone for something Christ has already paid the price for. You may do something wrong and start to feel the conviction and you tell yourself, “okay, I will seek repentance and then I will feel bad for two or three days over that sin.” This is not something we need to do, we only need to seek forgiveness, repent for our sins truthfully, and then move on and don’t return. It is that simple but the devil tries to complicate it into something more. When we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, there are 2 types of repentance. When we first accept Him, we do not confess our individual sins, we confess our sinfulness, our sinful state. You confess your need for a Savior. At that moment you’re justified and the Holy Spirit comes into you and your born again child of God. You’re free from the penalty of sin because you confessed your sinfulness. There are many that sin, but don’t think they are sinners and cannot be saved yet.

The other type is the confession of sins and this sets us free from the power of sin. (1 John 1:9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. For example: Say I have a critical thought toward someone, before I was justified it would sound something like this, ‘OH LORD PLEASE FORGIVE ME!’ Forgive me of my critical thoughts! Saying all this while crying and pleading. All this crying with tears falling and makeup running added with pleading loudly looks real good right? If I was in front of others or alone I looked real spiritual. This type of behavior does not line up with scriptures because Christ already died for our sins, so I don’t have to suffer for them if I repent of them and never return to them. In fact, if I suffer for my sins that I’ve already confessed I am not walking in faith, I’m walking in my own self righteousness again. I’m going to somehow work it out in my own self effort or I am going to suffer for my sins a bit. What this means is this, God loves it when we confess our sins because it starts to give His hands freedom to move in our life, and bring forth more of the redemption of Christ to be manifest in our lives. So this is what we have to do: Lord I recognize now I have a critical thought. In fact my feelings like that critical thought, but I choose to say this is sin, and I choose to confess it to you and I thank you right now for your forgiveness and your cleansing.

All we need to do is confess, don’t pick it back up, and God washes us. Unbelief is, ‘OH forgive me!! OH forgive me!! What happens is that we begin to beg God for our forgiveness as if Christ did not die for us. God is not seeking us to be mournful or feeling really bad or depressed about our selves. He is seeking to set us free. We have confidence in Christ’s redemption when we say, LORD, I have sinned and this is sin and I confess it. I even confess that I was happy about doing it, but it is sinful and my attitude was sinful, my feelings were sinful and I thank you for forgiving me and having cleansed me through the atonement of Christ Jesus. At that moment Christ forgave you and cleansed you. Don’t meditate on your forgiven sins, meditate on God’s love. Believe in the redemption of Christ. Whaling and yelling is establishing your own self-righteousness and when you stop moaning and groaning and start confessing God will begin to set you free.

There is another interesting thing about the fig tree. At the beginning of the tribulation the Bride is taken up and that is a warning to be ready. In the middle of the tribulation the general church is taken up and 6 of the 7 seals are being broken and this is where the judgement of God is coming to cleanse the church. After the general church is taken up because the word says we are not appointed to God’s wrath, the last 3 ½ years is where we start to see the vials opened up and the wrath of God is poured out upon the nations. Up to the first 3 ½ years mark salvation is still available to those who want it because the gospel is still being preached but under great persecution. Let’s look at what it says about the 6th seal in (Rev.6: 12-16) I watched as he opened the 6th seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 then the kings of the earth, the princes, the general, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountain. 16 They called to the mountain and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
Remember when Christ said there will be signs in the heavens about His coming, He will come on the clouds and take up the church. At the same time His foot lands on the Mt. of Olives and splits the mountain and the people of Israel are ushered into the Valley of Achor protected from the antichrist. In Revelation 7 we see the 144,000 of Israel being sealed and these people are from the 12 tribes of Israel. We also see here a great multitude surrounding the throne of God that wasn’t there before and this multitude is the general church that was taken up.
When the 6th seal is broken in the middle of the tribulation there are earthquakes and stars falling it also mentions as late figs dropped from a fig tree. What is happening at this time? The armies of the world surround Israel, the antichrist reveals himself and all of a sudden they see destruction coming then Christ comes down and splits the Mt. of Olives. Do the people continue to have theological debates on whether or not they should go through the Mount? Do they decide whether or not this is the TRUE Messiah? They don’t recognize Him for who He really is but they know that is from the Lord. What happens now? They drop their debates and move forward into the Valley because the antichrist is there and he has now revealed his true colors. They let go of the things they needed to let go of because there is no time left. The Lord has come and that’s it. This is the same for the Gentiles.

You can tell when someone is hungry for the Lord and when someone is not. When a person is hungry they will go into a group or listen to a speaker and even though they might not understand everything that is being said they won’t care because they just want more of God. They just want to be around people that saturate themselves with God hoping it rubs off on them. When a person is not hungry they will leave complaining or with thoughts of criticism about what they just heard. They will nick pick the service or song apart. Can you image Jesus going into the Garden to pray to His Father complaining. Picture this: Father, I’m not going to die on the cross for them, their rude, the talk about me behind my back, they even spit on me, put me in jail and even my disciples can’t stay awake one hour to pray for me. While they are sleeping Father I think I will just sneak out of this town, let them hang their selves. Thank you Father amen. OH BUT THANK GOD Jesus stood strong, silent, and on His word in the face of adversity. His feet were planted firmly on that rock and He was not shaken. Victory belongs to HIM so we need not drop our untimely figs and those things we’ve been holding on to let them go. When you become desperate all you want is to know is Jesus and all those out of season figs will no longer matter when you’re desperate. When you are in despair you will accept the Lord fully and wholly and at that moment you will begin to receive the ministry of the Body of Christ around you without complaint. Now, when you drop those untimely figs don’t pick them back up again. God will begin to move in your life once you drop those figs for good. Those untimely figs are those things that hinder you.

In verse 14 of Revelation it talks about the heavens being rolled. Go to (Psalms 19:1) The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. (Psalms 36:5) Your love, O Lord, reaches to the heavens, your faithfulness to the skies. (Psalms 57:10) For you love, reaching to the heavens; your faithfulness reaches to the skies. We can see that the heavens are a testimony to His mercy, grace and faithfulness. When the general church is taken up and the wrath of God is poured out onto the earth His mercy is rolled up and the book is closed, there is no more time for mercy, for seeing His righteousness manifest among us, no more time for a spoken language and God fulfills His words and brought them back together. The Lord is now saying be ready and that is a sign the fig tree is bringing back her shoots again after 2000 years. BE READY, HE’S COMING.

I used to think this would be literal people being taken away, but, looking closer, I think it is the sin nature in us that will be removed and thrown into the fire.

Matt:13:41 Gather out of His kingdom. The kingdom of God is in us, it's not geographical.

Luk 17:21 neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

Luk 17:20 And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God cometh, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Which, would mean, that the angels will remove something from wherever the Kingdom of God is, which is, inside of us (The HS).

Matt:13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father


And, when our sin nature is removed, we will shine, because we will be perfect, just like Him.

Dan 12:3 And they that are wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Hi whirlwind, my friend

I am sorry, I am saying the same identical thing you are, I was a little sloppy in saying it. We are here on earth. All you said is the absolute of the events. I just ran a little to fast in speaking it.

Thanks love speaking with you.
Friend

Dear Friend,

I always want to understand Matthew 24, and I never really feel lead there by God.

..in the end I feel as if I am just grasping something mentally, but not necessarily by the Power of the Holy Spirit.

Okay, I'm off to work soon, but will answer your post asap.

Look forward hearing from you, have a nice day at work. God will lead you where he wants you and me both!!!
Trust him to bring us all there, all His Children!!!

Friend

Pamela: "The Word says to learn from the fig tree, so the first thing we must understand is that the fig tree is a picture of Israel. It is symbolic for Israel in the New Testament. From this point on remember: Fig Tree = Israel."

Hey Pamela, how are you ? Nice to see you back ............



Can I ask, where does the Bible say that the Fig Tree is Israel?

That is very profound and I'm really, really thinking. My question would be, even though I love how you have shown the Kingdom of God being in us could it not also be geographical, where His children are? I ask that because why would there be wailing and gnashing of teeth if evil was taken from us? It seems there would be shouts of joy instead.

Too, it is written the angels will gather.... all things that offend, and them which do iniquity. If it was just "things that offend" I would readily agree with you but because it is also..."them which do iniquity " it seems to me to be more than just our sin nature.

Friend says: Boy is it a lot to consume for all of us students!!!
Totally I agree with the abomination of desolation is speaking of the commander/ man who has entered into the Temple of God, for he comes claiming himself as God and HE COMES on the WING OF THE TEMPLE. This is the abomination spoken of by the prophet Daniel in chapte 11:31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the TEMPLE fortress and will ablish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

Hi Friend........10 minutes before I go out......


Luk 21:20 ¶ And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Mat 24:15 ¶ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

To me that says...........the Roman Army surrounding Jerusalem.
Desolation Imminent!!!!!

Code Red Code Red ...........get out of Jerusalem.

Luk 13:7
The dresser of his vineyard - The man whose duty it was to trim the vines and take care of his vineyard.
These three years - These words are not to be referred to the time which Christ had been preaching the gospel, as if he meant to specify the exact period. They mean, as applicable to the vineyard, that the owner had been “a long time” expecting fruit on the tree. For three successive years he had been disappointed. In his view it was long enough to show that the tree was barren and would yield no fruit, and that therefore it should be cut down.
Why cumbereth it the ground? - The word “cumber” here means to render “barren” or “sterile.” By taking up the juices of the earth, this useless tree rendered the ground sterile, and prevented the growth of the neighboring vines. It was not merely “useless,” but was doing mischief, which may be said of all sinners and all hypocritical professors of religion. Dr. Thomson (“The Land and the Book,” vol. i. p. 539) says of the barren fig-tree: “There are many such trees now; and if the ground is not properly cultivated, especially when the trees are young - as the one of the parable was, for only “three” years are mentioned they do not bear at all; and even when full grown they quickly fail, and wither away if neglected. Those who expect to gather good crops of well-flavored figs are particularly attentive to their culture - not only plow and dig about them frequently, and manure them plentifully, but they carefully gather out the stones from the orchards, contrary to their general slovenly habits.”
This parable is to be taken in connection with what goes before, and with our Saviour’s calling the Jewish nation to repentance. It was spoken to illustrate the dealings of God with them, and their own wickedness under all his kindness, and we may understand the different parts of the parable as designed to represent:
1. God, by the man who owned the vineyard.
2. The vineyard as the Jewish people.
3. The coming of the owner for fruit, the desire of God that they should produce good works.
4. The barrenness of the tree, the wickedness of the people.
5. The dresser was perhaps intended to denote the Saviour and the other messengers of God, pleading that God would spare the Jews, and save them from their enemies that stood ready to destroy them, as soon as God should permit.
6. His waiting denotes the delay of vengeance, to give them an opportunity of repentance. And,
7. The remark of the dresser that he might “then” cut it down, denotes the acquiescence of all in the belief that such a judgment would be just.
We may also remark that God treats sinners in this manner now; that he spares them long; that he gives them opportunities of repentance; that many live but to cumber the ground; that they are not only useless to the church, but pernicious to the world; that in due time, when they are fairly tried, they shall be cut down; and that the universe will bow to the awful decree of God, and say that their damnation is just.

Friend says : "I am really enjoying our conversation on this. May I ask how is the Fig tree being spoken of as the rebuilt temple."

I'm speculating really Friend.

I don't think the Bible ever really establishes what the Fig Tree represents.

But it definitely represents something, because Jesus called it the
Parable of the Fig Tree.


The Levitical Priesthood hated Jesus with avengeance because he destroyed their livelihoods.
They had no land, and no jobs............they lived on tithes, and through the Temple offering system.

When Jesus overturned the tables, and told the Levitical Priests they were a dead caste,
they went ballistic.

They were engaged in a vicious struggle with Christians from AD 30 to Ad 70 to stop what was to them the
rot of Jesus' incendiary revolutionary teachings.

more anon.....work beckons.

Hey Simple....I am doing good, thank you for asking....Though not really back, just a visitor from time to time...

Jeremiah24 5 Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.

6For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.

7And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart...

Sin is a spirit. It's alive, and, it's in the flesh. It's what puts those thoughts and feelings into your head to do wrong things.

Rom 7:17 So now it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under law, but under grace.

An inanimate object could never have had "dominion" over anything. That would be like saying, "I am in subjection to a piece of dirt." But dirt is not conscious and doesn't have power over other things. It's just dirt.

Sin is in people just like the HS is.

Rom 1:29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Filled? Full? Like, filled with the Holy Spirit, except, sin is the opposite of the HS.

Even Satan is sin. Everything he does is wrong, and, if he ever does something that seems right, it is for the wrong motive, which, would make him the embodiment of sin, in it's absoluteness. And, everything that is "of" him would be sin too. Any spirit, fallen angel, murderous spirit etc, is a sinful thing, incapable of good.

Jesus had no "sin" in him:

Joh 14:30 I will no more speak much with you, for the prince of the world cometh: and he hath nothing in me;

So, any sin still left inside of the people alive when he comes back, will be removed. And, sin, is conscious. 0_0 That's why it says "them that do "'iniquity'"

Hello Simple and Pamela.

I would like to jump in here for Israel is described as a fig tree many times in the old testament.
When you read about the vine in the old testament it is referring to the those of us who are from Christ or
about Christ himself.

Joel 2:22 The trees (people of God) are bearing their fruit:
The fig tree ( Israel) and the vine (those of Christ) yield their riches.

The God tell us to be glad O PEOPLE of Zion. For we are dwelling together with Christ over us.

God refers to Israel as Dross, a branch, a tree, as Jacob's seed, as a cedar in Lebanon, goats, the flock. For the analogies are many and are used accordingly to get the point across in what God is saying in terms of that description he refers to.

As he calls Jerusalem a prostitute, a harlot, Oholibah, and adulterous woman. (Ezk 23)

As in Matthew 24 he is speaking of the time, the season, that gives us warning, it will be at that time of year and if we take it out of context, then we have confused ourselves and have to add meanings to it, to make it have some sense.
Otherwise it is simple and full of truth that is clear.

To many people have written meanings into the word of God through their many books, like the Talmud, the Jews have used to claim those things written in this book explains what God is saying. Their eyes have been blinded as God says and their many books are of no avail, but destroys often what God really is saying.

This is why He sent the Comforter to lead us and teach us. We trust in this and we will be taken into solid truth.

Friend

Hi Simple,
Studying this fig and Matthew, it is clearly concerning an element of time we need to be ware of as Jesus
commands us in Matthew 24.

The Parable of the fig tree in Mark is different being used in a parable. It seems that many have tried to
tie them together when there is nothing sound to tie.

In my opinion,

Mark 11 12-25 May well represent Israel here, for it seems too, that as a nation they are not producing fruit
for they know not the Christ as a whole nation.

They are as a fig tree with no fruit. As Jesus makes the comment in verse 14 that seems to indicate that now
is NOT when the will produce fruit but in the 1000 yr. reign of Christ.

The reason I say this is what the parable 'COULD MEAN' for the many other scriptures I read that relate the
message of them living on the mountain being as a flock of sheep that will turn into numbers to numerous to
count. But this is not the season on earth or the time on earth yet. But this day is coming for God has
spoken about it in through his prophets.

The bad fruit they are producing through out the earth now, their lack of knowledge of Jesus. and to their own people out of blindness, this fruit is bad.

This is just my thoughts on what I pull together from scriptures I have read. It is not that you have to accept them.

It is nice conversing with you on these scriptures, I have found there are many opinions on the fig. I have found some
truth on some points they have expressed. But I stand where I am until something solid is shown to me.

When I see the children of God speaking of more than one resurrection they have not proven to me with the scriptures they use are not able to make me feel convinced there are more than one. That's what I read in the Word. I stay in the Word.

Friend
will not be produced any more once this Age has ended.
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I agree that sin will be purged out of us as Daniel 11:31-33 says that we will be REFINED in the tribulaition as Gold is in fire, the impurities will be BURNED OUT OF US. Amen.
Then we will worship our LORD in pureness of heart. Amen

Friend