What's in the heart comes out via the tongue!


From Rush Limbaugh's radio show yesterday.....

Hey, folks, you want to tweak the Drive-By Media with me right
now?

You are aware, probably, that Barack Obama lost his bearings
recently and said
that he was going to campaign in all 57 states.

You heard this? And everybody chalked it up to, 'Well, he's
tired.'

You know, this is a Dan Quayle moment. I mean, Dan Quayle goes
out there and
misspells 'potato,' and we still hear jokes about it.

Barack Obama says he's gonna go out and campaign in 57 states,
he was just
tired, you know, it's been such a long campaign, he's been so
many
places,he probably thinks there are 57 states.

Well, I have here a printout from a web site called the
International Humanist
and Ethical Union.
And here is how the second paragraph of an article on that
website begins.

'Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of the Islamic
conference
representing the 57 Islamic states presented a resolution to the
United Nations
Commission on human rights called commbating.'

Obama said he's going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out
that
there are 57 Islamic states. There are 57 Islamic states.

So did Obama just lose his bearings, or was this a more telling
slip, ladies
and gentlemen?

KEEP IT GOING, FOLKS!

Am I the only one who is getting tired of the insinuation that Obama is a Muslim (and therefore a terrorist) in disguise? Say what you will about his policies, but these fanciful accusations (from an oh-so-trustworthy source such as Rush Limbaugh) of being a secret Muslim/terrorist are a bit silly. Again, you don't have to like the man, but at least be honest about the debate.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp

Good links to take a look at for answers to questions from both Obama and McCain's campaigns:

http://www.obamafactcheck.com/
http://mccainfactcheck.com/

Liberalism is a mental disorder... read it for yourself from the IHAU site, the 3 observer states do not constitute membership, thus the 60 states your data mentions is FALSE, and the 57 states stands correct. The point is this clearly reveals his hidden radical and militant Islamic leanings.

http://www.iheu.org/node/2546

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_...amic_Conference

If the shoe fits.....

Keep it going The 7 Thunder.

Ok i am not the only person that see's something odd about the fact the man said 57 when there this many muslim states. I have no proof or reason other than what is seen to say this man is something other than what he shows. But we are told to look for men that will DECIEVE the world. Now i am NOT saying he is the antichrist, but our Savior did say to watch for wolves in sheeps clothing. Therefore unless we know without a doubt this man be born again. Why should we trust him or even not look at these circumstances and see that he did happen to state something that touches on the already important and rather problematic story of him being from Islamic background.
We are told to look for the signs and what this last beast empire would look like. Let us not forget that men lie..... so could this man be lieing about his intentions.....
But so could the men telling this story. So let us be diligent so we don't elect a crazy man bent on destruction.
Regardless i wont be voting for him, but we do need to know who he is and what he's about cause lots will be voting for him.....
Let us learn what this man is about.
Will someone please start a thread with info on his background, current policies, and plans for our nation so we can determine better who this man is?

Oh man, what a slip. And I think he meant it. God help us all!

See Obama in the left on this picture?



Obama has announced his new VP for the '08 ticket!

Good ones, Eli! Love that second pic...

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_s...obama-huss.html


http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read....BB-E0325C823CD8

I've always been told where there is smoke, there is usually fire. Me thinks he doth protest too much when the subject comes up. He is extremely sensitive when it comes to business associates, his wife, etc. He didn't mind dragging Cindy McCain into the fray but he feels his wife should be off limits. Just my two cents. I for one will be voting for McCain. IM

POLITICS MAKES FOR STRANGE BED FELLOWS.


IS HILLARY PLANNING SOMETHING?


WILL OBAMA BE UNMASKED?


WILL HIS MENACING THREAT BE REALIZED BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE?

New flavors to come!

LOL,... this is great, the best laughs I've had in a week. Laughter as you said Eli, the best medicine!

I read an interesting article about Obama earlier today. These are some excerpts:

A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed a suite in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania gainst Obama and the Democratic National Committee." The suite claims Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified AS A FORGERY BY THREE INDEPENDENT DOCUMENT FORENSIC EXPERTS, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.

In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as claimed. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because fo the late state of her pregnancy. Berg maintains that Obama's mother gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently few to Hawaii to register the birth.

Next week's convention may prove to be very interesting.

Notice how McCain has been relatively silent. I think it is the right thing to do, though; considering how much Obama is trying to use the perceptions of the public about him to stir up the rederic against him. He may have been referring to the separate territories that are outside the US that they use for absentee voting, such as Guam. Is that a state or territory? Obama is a lawyer. He knows what he is doing.

But that thing about his citizenship is a cloud over his head. And it depends on whether there was some kind of paperwork done by his mother Stanley Ann in Hawaii after they returned from Kenya with child.

I am suspicious that Mcain, Hillary and many others know something(s) about Obama that we don't realize yet. I bet that whatever they know will come out into the open between now and the election, something big and possibly derailing to Obama's run. There are others who are chomping at the bit to take his place.

Are you being serious? "Radical and militant Islamic leanings"? He has been a member of the United Church of Chris for over 20 years. This is well documented. What is not well documented is Obama's affiliation with any sort of Islamic church or organization. Sure, there are the whispers and rumors. But this is the internet. Look around, you can find people who don't believe we landed on the moon and who don't believe the holocaust happened.

As an intelligent adult, you weigh the facts/what is know with what isn't. In this case we have a man who has been a faithful and practicing Christian for decades and who has never been associated with Islam in any way. But, in spite of this, you have decided that he is a Muslim. This makes no sense on any level.

But I do return to my original request: can we debate the issues?

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59600

Obama's church: More about Africa than God?
Chicago congregation has 'non-negotiable commitment' to 'mother continent'

Obama’s “United Church of Christ” is a STRATEGIC FRONT and euphemism for “United Church FOR AFRICA”. Christ and the Biblical Christian tenets are COMPLETELY ABSCENT from the United Church of Christ. The “Afrocentric” principles of this group are totally and diametrically antipodal to “Christocentricism”. A True Christian knows that his walk in Christ means that he is transformed and DEAD to the self and to SKIN COLOR, for the True Christian perceives he is a New Man, a New Species in Christ where ethnicity and ethnocentricism is VOID. The United Church of Christ wallows in Afrocentricism and is hostile to all other ethnicities, particularly against the Anglos (Whites), thus, RACISIM and the GOD OF HATE is at their very core. The words of Christ "be slow to anger" and "forgive as I have forgiven you" is not found or preached on their pulpit.







Obama and the United Church of Christ’s Connection to Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=3251

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8011402083.html





OBAMA’S OWN WORDS ON ISLAMIC PRAYER

He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html






Hussein Obama; Lies, Dirty Deals and A Lifetime of Devotion to Islam

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=472781

What is that picture about Obama? Is he supposed to be rehearsing for his part in the Church Nativity Scene?

"This is how ya hold yer staff," says elder Bunione.

'Wait, wait; it's too short,' says Obie.

Again... you serious? You managed to type things in very large font. Throw in a few photoshopped pictures, some information from Sean Hannity, and links to strange websites and op-ed columns. Not very impressive.

Yet again... can we focus on what is real? This is an absurb issue, and I think you know it. Let's talk about platforms and issues, not bizarre assumptions. I am trying to be an adult about this and am trying to bring this thread to an adult level. Care to help?

Obama voted against the born alive legislation.

That is the only issue.

Nothing else can come close to the significance of the abortion issue, especially when it now encompasses legalizing infanticide.

We're having way too much fun with this to get "serious".

madhatter,

QUOTE

Let's talk about platforms and issues, not bizarre assumptions.

Ignore the man behind the curtain.

Obama has been called "Messiah" by fans and foes. That pic was just a creative take on this.

Thank you for bringing up a real point.

However, I do not agree that abortion is the "only issue". Civilian casualties in the Iraq war are over 100,000- many of them women and children. This is hard for me to look past. Let's also not forget about the 4000 young American men and women who have lost their lives and the 10's of thousands who will wear the mental and physical scars for the rest of their lives- all to remove a dictator whom another President who claimed to be Christian helped to keep in power through the worst of his atrocities. Many feel that this war entirely avoidable and should never have been fought. I agree.

20 million American children do not recieve proper or regular medical care becasue their parents cannot aford health insurance for them. To me this is unacceptable.

12.3% of the American population lives below the poverty level while unemployment is 5.7. I hate the fact that in this country it is still quite easy to work hard, and yet still not make enough money to live.

These are a few of the things I will think about on election day, along with many others (including the abortion issue). Anyway, I think you get the idea. But perhaps this is a topic for it's own thread. I never really meant to get into politics here, simply to explore this idea that Obama is a secret Muslim/terrorist. More than anything, I was hoping to see if their was any substance to it. Thank you again for taking the time to post something serious.

I like the funny pictures as much as the next person. But I hope you can appreciate where I am coming from.

I joined these forums for several reasons:

To learn from others.

To perhaps share a bit.

To discover resources.

To perhaps take a peek into the way other people worship and try to understand their relationship with God, and to compare these relationships with mine.

To find inspiration.

What I did not expect was political attacks based on ridiculous assumptions. I did not expect to find political hack jobs more reminiscent of freerepublic or moveon. And I certainly did not expect to be told I have a "mental disorder" because I was asking for honest debate on candidates instead of agreeeing with the mutterings that one may be the anti-christ or Osama Bin Laden in disguise.

So I hope you forgive me for not seeing as much humour in this thread as you apparently do.

[font="Impact"][/font]NO BOMA NO BOMA NO BOMA

Well then, I suggest that you start your own topical thread to discuss your serious support of Obama. You're not obliged to participate in my thread at all. Good luck.

SEE VIDEO: http://forthardknox.com/2008/05/21/obamas-...im-family-ties/

Do you mean Raila Odinga? I didn't know he is a "radical Islamic". I thought he was the man who was recently elected as Kenya's Prime Minister. In fact, in the first 2 pages of searches I did, I found nothing stating that he was Muslim at all, let alone "radical". Although seeing as how 3.5 million Kenyans follow Islam, it wouldn't be surprising if some of their political leaders did as well. Additionally, if Odinga did recieve a call from Obama, again, it shouldn't be a surprise. I doubt you have forgotten how Obama recently went abroad, meeting with various world leaders. Obama has obviously taken an active interest in world affairs, and would have known about the recent political turmoil in Kenya. A phone call placed to the second most powerful Kenyan would be a natural step. Obama has also spoken with Kenyan president Mwai Kinaki regarding the matter.

As per the BBC site: "He said Mr Obama had on Monday taken time out of campaigning for the New Hampshire primary to call him twice, to express his concern, and to say that he would also be calling Mr Kibaki". I'm not sure where that quote in the picture came from. It wasn't in the BBC article, although the link insinuates this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7176683.stm

On Obama's recent trip he also met with various Eurpoean leaders. Does this mean he is secretly a German, or perhaps a Nazi? Of course not. The idea that simply speaking with a German leader means one is a Nazi is completely absurd. Right? Frankly, I'm rather impressed that an American politician had the foresight to contact Kenyan leaders to express concern over the recent violence and turmoil.

Odinga is not Obama's cousin. In that part of Africa, it is customary to refer to someone from the same tribal background as a cousin. Outside of the one quote from Odinga on this (which occured over 9 months ago), there have been no mentions of this from either Odinga or Obama, and none of the efforts to further tie the two together have come to fruition. Again, this has gone nowhere... and does anyone think for a moment that if there was some truth to this rumour that the McCain campaign wouldn't have picked it up and ran with it? If Obama had a cousin and close ally who was a leading "radical Muslim" figure, more people would notice than "Jews against Obama". Come on, this is the era of Karl Rove and swift boat vets campaigning, where all you need is a kernal of truth.

Thunders, what is it with these sites and the large font? I don't have a seeing problem, and linking to random sites titled "Jews against Obama" don't do anything for your arguements. Ever heard of "objectivity"? Just because a blogger shares your political views doesn't lend it credibility. If this is all such big news, why do you need to rely on a BBC artical which was published last Januray? Is it possibly becasue the political world took a look at this and decided it wasn't worth the energy to even pretend it was legitmate?

By the way, did you even read the BBC site you linked to?

"Mr Obama has previously been identified as a distant cousin of Vice-President Dick Cheney." ZOMG! They're both secret Muslims!

As to your earlier comments about me being an Obama "supporter"... when did I say I was an Obama supporter? Just because I think we should base our votes on legitmate matters and not some strange guilt-by-association hocus pocus doesn't make me an Obama supporter. Frankly, if someone started forwarding ridiculous tales about John McCain, I would probably expose them as well. One of the first things I remember learning in Sunday School was honesty and the importance of telling the truth. Is it not to much to expect as much from others on a forum which claims to be Christian?

So come on, Thunder. You know as well as I do that Obama is not a freaking Muslim. And repeating the lies and decpetions of others does nothing for our community here... or your character.

I'm glad you brought this up. Although I agree that abortion is utterly reprehensible, isn't it even remotely possible that certain candidates would use the abortion issue to further their own agendas? What has honestly been done concerning abortion as well? In my opinion, put your money where your mouth is....the issue of abortion has not been resolved as promised.

My country spends more tax dollars paid by it's hard working citizens on military expenditures than the ENTIRE PLANET put together spends on theirs. Rather than devoting the majority of tax dollars on a killing machine, WHY can't that money be spent upon improving the lives of our citizens? Health Care is of such an enormous issue...there are people literally dying due to the lack of it. Why can these other countries take care of their citizens, yet the most powerful planet on earth can't take care of their own???

I've also noticed this over the years, why oh why do we have such largely differing figures concerning the amounts of death in foreign waged wars? The other country's tallies are much larger than what the US admits to, and I've heard it said by the US that these countries are lying in order to gain sympathy towards their cause. Well, I watched with my own two eyes...this is absolutely NO exaggeration; Madeline Albright was being interviewed concerning Iraq (yes, the Clinton admin was also responsible for repeatedly bombing Iraq, as well as continuing it's campaign of sanctions against Iraq)...she was asked the question concerning the KNOWN amount of children who had suffered and died during the 1st Gulf War, subsequent continued bombings and imposed sanctions which had caused 500,000(+) children's deaths in Iraq..."WAS IT WORTH IT?"...Madeline's answer: "YES....(_insert excuse here_)".

I don't care how many excuses you give for that amount of children to die needlessly...it is absolutely WRONG, absolutely EVIL and should never be excused!

Democrat or Republican, you are entrusted...yes ENTRUSTED with the mandate of REPRESENTING and SERVING the people....your very own people. It is so obvious that corporate interests have taken over this country...it is the CORPORATE INTERESTS which are being REPRESENTED and SERVED...PERIOD.

Madhatter... as I said before and reiterate, I suggest that you start your own topical thread to discuss your serious support of Obama. You're not obliged to participate in my thread at all. Good luck. (Surely, you get the message that I have already subtly stated that I have absolutely no desire to dialog with a delusional Obama support, or are you extremely dense?)

Are you suggesting or implying that madhatter cannot respond to your post? I thought this was a public forum and responses are welcomed?

To imply that somebody is delusional simply due to the politician they decide to support is inflammatory rhetoric, IMHO.

In sincerity; I hold no political affiliation...but do desire investigating the truth with integrity...and would hope that everyone sees the value in that.

God bless you,
Kim

Congratulations, you're very perceptive.

It should come as no shock to you, for I made this extremely clear earlier. Madhatter is as his name implies, "MAD" over his continuing Obama Mantra and support despite his translucent denial that is extremely obvious and apparent to all and even the blind; and he has aggressively attempted to radically divert my thread with his ridiculous diversions. If this rudeness and subversion is allowed, then my thread becomes "OFF TOPIC". Consequently, his diversions will catapult my thread into chaos, so I need to circumvent his cunning agenda. But he's more than welcome to start his own special thread to support his case for Obama's cause. It's all really very simple.

Thank you for your concern.

http://www.obamacrimes.com/http://www.obamacrimes.com/

I invite you all to check out this link, it should clarify the legal questions associated with Obama's pursuit of the White House. He SHOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT plain and simple; if this information is proved to be fact. Active/involved members of the democratic party are the ones who have called into question his birth rights. They feel they have been lied to and therefore voided their vote for a candidate.

This Truth, will set us free, from a pro-abortion, gay marriage advocating, christian hating, christian bashing, muslim loving, liberal conquest.

I'm glad you brought this up. Although I agree that abortion is utterly reprehensible, isn't it even remotely possible that certain candidates would use the abortion issue to further their own agendas? What has honestly been done concerning abortion as well? In my opinion, put your money where your mouth is....the issue of abortion has not been resolved as promised.

My country spends more tax dollars paid by it's hard working citizens on military expenditures than the ENTIRE PLANET put together spends on theirs. Rather than devoting the majority of tax dollars on a killing machine, WHY can't that money be spent upon improving the lives of our citizens? Health Care is of such an enormous issue...there are people literally dying due to the lack of it. Why can these other countries take care of their citizens, yet the most powerful planet on earth can't take care of their own???

I've also noticed this over the years, why oh why do we have such largely differing figures concerning the amounts of death in foreign waged wars? The other country's tallies are much larger than what the US admits to, and I've heard it said by the US that these countries are lying in order to gain sympathy towards their cause. Well, I watched with my own two eyes...this is absolutely NO exaggeration; Madeline Albright was being interviewed concerning Iraq (yes, the Clinton admin was also responsible for repeatedly bombing Iraq, as well as continuing it's campaign of sanctions against Iraq)...she was asked the question concerning the KNOWN amount of children who had suffered and died during the 1st Gulf War, subsequent continued bombings and imposed sanctions which had caused 500,000(+) children's deaths in Iraq..."WAS IT WORTH IT?"...Madeline's answer: "YES....(_insert excuse here_)".

I don't care how many excuses you give for that amount of children to die needlessly...it is absolutely WRONG, absolutely EVIL and should never be excused!

Democrat or Republican, you are entrusted...yes ENTRUSTED with the mandate of REPRESENTING and SERVING the people....your very own people. It is so obvious that corporate interests have taken over this country...it is the CORPORATE INTERESTS which are being REPRESENTED and SERVED...PERIOD.
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Exactly. I, for one, feel there are many, many issues that need to be looked at before one votes. And sadly, for all the talk about abortion... little to nothing gets done regarding it. As I pointed out in a previous post, since 1980, the "anti-abortion" candidate has won 5 of the last 7 elections, making up 20 of the last 29 years of executive direction. Yet abortion is alive and well and legal in all 50 states. If a candidate claims he or she is "anti-abortion"... but then does absolutely nothing to actually combat abortion... are they really "anti-abortion"? Remeber actions speak louder than words.

Well, thank you for taking the time to respond with an actual post and for not calling me names. I was really about to give up hope.

So what you want is to be able to spew your rhetoric with no one challenging you?

Sorry, but it isn't that easy. I'm not sure about you, but I learned a long time ago to not claim things I cannot back up. Go ahead and call me names, but I'm not going away.

Congratulations, you're very perceptive.

It should come as no shock to you, for I made this extremely clear earlier.


Made what clear? That you do not like me calling you out on your rediculous posts and asking that you actually back up what you state from legitmate sources... which you have been repeatedly unable to do?

Madhatter is as his name implies

Actually, Mad Hatter implies nothing. I got the name from Alice in Wonderland. I think it sounds neat. That is all. I may as well have chosen Bugs Bunny as my forum name. But if you want to attach some sort of greater meaning to my choice of names, that's fine with me.

"MAD" over his continuing Obama Mantra and support despite his translucent denial that is extremely obvious and apparent to all and even the blind;

Again, I don't know who I'm voting for. If you must know, I am old enough to have voted in 4 elections, and have voted Democrat twince, and republican twice. I certainly have issues with Obama as a candidate, but these issues have nothing to do with his support for "Radical Islam" or lack of birth certificate. If the forums ever go in the direction, I would be happy to contribute to this debate... alas more debate here seems to center on strange but fanciful ideas.


and he has aggressively attempted to radically divert my thread with his ridiculous diversions.

Like asking where you get your ideas and explaining to you that blogs are not reputable sources? No. Actually, I've tried to divert nothing. All I've done is asked you to show some sort of legitmate source backing your information. And what I've bee getting is more videos and links to "Jews Against Obama" sites.

If this rudeness and subversion is allowed, then my thread becomes "OFF TOPIC".

This is a debate forum. If you don't want to be challenged on your ideas, go into a closet when no one's home and repeat things over and over. Maybe this would be a better place to voice your opinions; the public forum thing certainly isnt working out for you. Honestly, I have been polite and asked very little of you. In response, I have been called names numerous times.

And don't worry about getting things off topic- I will not allow that to happen, and am still waiting on a legitmate source from you.


Consequently, his diversions will catapult my thread into chaos, so I need to circumvent his cunning agenda.

I can honestly say that in my entire life, I have never been called cuning before. I consider it an honor. Thank you.

but he's more than welcome to start his own special thread to support his case for Obama's cause. It's all really very simple.

Why would I do that when I have a thread right here? LOL

Thank you for your concern.

Thank you for yours.

You are most welcome MH. I think it's quite rude to lambast a person (not their opinion either) in a public forum. This discussion you and I are having, IS within topic...Obama is the topic...politics etc.

Yes, I agree with you on the abortion issue. I'd go even further to state that I'd be more willing to tolerate a candidate whose moral views differ from mine on abortion AND pro-gay etc, than to support a candidate who *claims* they are supportive of christian views; yet does nothing to implement change in our society AND has an absolute cold heart towards the poor. When will christians wake up and smell the coffee? How many administrations will rise and fall with no promises being kept before they realize they're being used? At least on the other side of the aisle, there is some honest going on...at least they admit what they stand for...and they are fighting for what they say they will fight for.

I know...all politics are greasy and grimey...lol. I know they all are rich...but at least I see one side offering the dog a bone...sheesh.

ok...myvent!

God bless you madhatter,
Kim

Do you think it would be possible for you to put away your hatchet and address the issues brought up by Madhatter; rather than attacking him/her as a person?

And puhleeeeze......<---you dished it out; now be a man (or woman?) and take it! unless of course, this was all you were after to begin with---->

dunno from the looks of it? hehehe

God bless you,
Kim

NOT VERY FLATTERING, BUT THE EXECUTION IS NICE.

LIAR, LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!

THE TRUTH VS. BARACK OBAMA

* * *
CHARGE 1 – “The March on Selma got me born.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama was born August 4th, 1961. The march on Selma began March 7th, 1965. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM – Senator Obama was talking about the general movement, not specifically about Selma.

REBUTTTAL – Senator Obama was in Selma, Alabama, before a mostly AA crowd at the Brown Chapel AME Church on March 4th, 2007. He clearly stated “because some folks were willing to march across a bridge . . . they (his parents) got together, and Barack Obama, Jr. was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama!” Barack Hussein Obama was born on August 4, 1961. The first march on Selma, Alabama occurred on March 7, 1965.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
* * *

* * *
CHARGE 5 - “President Kennedy rescued my father from Kenyan obscurity and airlifted him to the American Dream.”

EVIDENCE – Senator Obama’s father came in September 1960, while EISENHOWER was President. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM – But his father did come to the U.S. so what is the big deal?

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama misrepresents historical events. No speech by President John F. Kennedy brought Senator Obama’s father to the U.S. in 1960. John F. Kennedy was not President in 1960, Dwight D. Eisenhower was President. The Senator is attempting to subtly equate himself with J.F.K., subconsciously implying he would be a similar President. Senator Obama, you are no Jack Kennedy.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
* * *

* * *
CHARGE 19 - “I do not vote ‘Present’ any more than any other IL Representative.”

EVIDENCE – While ‘Present’ votes may not be unusual in Illinois, the number of ‘Present’ votes that Senator Obama placed ARE disproportionate. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, NY Times 12/20/07 by Raymond Hernandez and Christopher Drew

COUNTER CLAIM – ‘Present’ votes are used to block portions of undesirable legislation and is a common tactic in Illinois.

REBUTTAL – The issue at hand is not the purpose of the ‘Present’ votes but rather their frequency. 129 ‘Present’ votes is not a common number for any Representative in the Illinois State House, other than Senator Obama.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
* * *

* * *
CHARGE 21 - “I barely know William Ayers” – A.K.A. – Abu Zayd

EVIDENCE – Senator Obama announced the start of his Senate campaign from the front steps of William Ayers’ home, in the neighborhood that they share. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM – Just because Senator Obama lives in the same neighborhood with Ayers doesn’t prove they knew each other well.

REBUTTAL – William Ayers (or Abu-Zayd), Louis Farrakhan, and Senator Obama all live in the same neighborhood. Ayers is the founder of the Woods Fund, of which Senator Obama was it’s director from 1999 to 2002. Perhaps one might ask oneself; who chooses the director of the Wood Fund? Perhaps its founder? Secondly, if Senator Obama announced his campaign run in Illinois from Ayers’s home, did he not ask Ayers’ permission first? If the Senator did not know Abu-Zayd Ayers well, then how did he come to choose Ayers’ front steps to announce his campaign? Random chance?

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
* * *

* * *
CHARGE 22 - “I support a 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.”

EVIDENCE - We enter into evidence a few of Senator Obama’s quotes and votes on gun control: “Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions.” (Jul 1998), “Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.” (Jul 2005). SOURCE 1, Source 2: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007, Source 3: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998, Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005

COUNTER CLAIM – Senator Obama just wants to prevent criminals for finding and using guns.

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama’s policy on guns seems to change specifically in regards to the audience he is addressing. There are many quotes from the Senator in which he suggests an all out ban on handguns. Bare in mind that these bans PRIMARILY affect LEGAL gun ownership.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
* * *

* * *
CHARGE 28 - “I have the solutions to repair our economy.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama voted against his own economic proposal package. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM - Washington is in a stalemate. Senator Obama has fresh ideas.

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama’s 111 economic proposals were just combined into an amendment to a bill, and the amendment was defeated 97-0. Senator Obama rejected his own proposals; apparently, they were not the solutions or ‘fresh ideas’ he was speaking about.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 30 - “I barely know Tony Rezko. I did about 5 hours of billed work for him.”

EVIDENCE – Senator Obama has known Antoin Rezko for 17 years. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama meets many people. He is a Senator.

REBUTTAL – Antoin Rezko first spoke with Senator Obama in 1990. By 1995, Mr. Rezko was a campaign donor. He would go on to raise nearly $250,000 for Senator Obama while in Illinois.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 32 - “I don’t have ‘bundlers’ and I don’t take PAC money.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama has 79 bundlers and has collected over $13,000,000 in lobbyist PAC money. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama has been careful not to compromise himself, “rejecting campaign support from Political Action Committees and lobbyists.”

REBUTTAL – Here is a starter list of Senator Obama’s registered lobbyists:

Timothy Broas $100,000, Frank Clark $200,000, Howard Gutman $200,000, Scott Harris (DC) $200,000, Allan Katz $200,000, William Lake (DC) $50,000, Robert S. Litt $not given, Kenneth Lore (DC) $50,000, Thomas Perrelli $200,000, Thomas Reed $200,000, Paul Roth $50,000, Alan Solomont $100,000, Robert M. Sussman (DC) $50,000, Tom Wheeler (DC) $100,000. $1,700,000 dollars from these registered lobbyists, or four times more than Obama’s officially declared lobbyist sum. To date there are at least 38 such individual lobbyists donating to Senator Obama’s campaign. PS – Having the wives of these individuals write the checks does not alter where the money came from.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 33 - “I don’t take money from lobbyists.”

EVIDENCE - At least 38 Individuals on Senator Obama’s campaign are or work for lobbyists. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM – Most of the individuals you site are lawyers, not lobbyists.

REBUTTAL – Most of the lawyers that make up this list work for firms that lobby the Government. 31 of them manage registered lobbyists. You may parse the definitions – these lawyers and/or their firms lobby the government and donate to Senator Obama’s campaign. Either way, he takes money from lobbyists.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 35 - “I have clean connections, unlike my opponents and most of Washington.”

EVIDENCE - Rezko, William Ayers (Abu-Zayd), Nadmi Auchi, Rashid Khalidi, Jeremiah Wright, James Meeks, Louis Farrakhan. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5, SOURCE 6, SOURCE 7

COUNTER CLAIM - Guilt by association is not fair.

REBUTTAL – Associations one chooses to initiate and/or maintain speaks to one’s character and judgment. For instance, Antoin Rezko – who is currently on trial for Corruption. Senator Obama has received a quarter of a million dollars from this individual, and has had to return it in ever increasing amounts, as the Senator was caught not truthfully disclosing the amount donated. Senator Obama also decided to participate in a real estate deal with Mr. Rezko during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, The Senator made a deal to purchase a home, by dividing the property with the Rezko family. The property in question was divided, lot VS. House, because it was out of The Senator’s price range. And so was the down payment. Perhaps this is where Auchi comes in? Only the trial of Rezko can tell us. Continuing, once it was determined that the Senator could not afford the property, $300K was promptly removed from the asking price (in 2005, before mortgage problems drove down home prices). Rezko’s wife stepped in to buy the lot the Senator couldn’t afford, saving him $625,000. Another associate of Senator Obama’s is the founder of the Woods Fund, for which the Senator was its Director for 4 years, William (Abu-Zayd) Ayers. Abu-Zayd, or William Ayers as he was known then, was an American Terrorist who attempted to bomb the Pentagon. Next on our list would be Nadmi Auchi – Iraqi Billionaire swindler who helped himself to money from the Food Or Oil program and may have assisted the Senator is securing the money to put down on his Chicago mansion. Next we have Rashid Khalidi – former PLO spokesman and supporter of terrorism against Israel. Next we have the infamous Jeremiah Wright and James Meeks – rabid racists, anti-American preachers/community leaders, both have an affinity or a direct connection to the Nation of Islam. Speaking of the Nation of Islam, we next have Louis Farrakhan – renowned racist, anti-American, voracious Anti-Semite and homophobe – leader of the Nation of Islam. One would like to ask Senator Obama which of these individuals are the ‘clean’ ones?

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 38 - “I sponsored dozens of my own bills in one year and passed them in the Illinois State Senate.”

EVIDENCE - State Senator Ricky Hendon ‘appointed’ Obama as sponsor of Hendon’s high-profile legislation. Not one of those Bills was truly sponsored by Senator Obama. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - But Senator Obama did sponsor and pass the bills.

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama was ‘appointed’ the sponsor of bills originated and crafted by Senator Hendon. Senator Obama attached his signature to the bill, thus conspicuously taking credit for it’s sponsorship and passage. Additionally Emil Jones had to direct Senator Obama to craft certain legislation. It was not spontaneously created by Senator Obama.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 39 - “I believe in fairness, not tactics, to win elections.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama hired a team of investigators to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against him. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Some of the signatures for Alice Palmer were forged.

REBUTTAL – 4 of the signatures were found to be forgeries. Senator Obama used investigators and little known political tactics to eliminate his opposition. He then went on to run uncontested.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 49 - “I have sponsored and passed plenty of Bills in the U.S. Senate. I have experience.”

EVIDENCE - You have passed 2 BILLs in the U.S. Senate – one for Africa and one that makes lobbyists stand while they eat. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama has sponsored 123 Bills in the US Senate.

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama has one of the worst records for getting bills passed that he has sponsored in the US Senate. That sounds like experience most of us wouldn’t want. The Senator has sponsored and passed 2 Bills in the US Senate - one for the Congo (shock and awe?) and one that makes lobbyists stand when they eat. Impressive work for 4 years on the job.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 60 - “I never heard sermons at Trinity like those being played on Youtube and by the mainstream media.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama said: “Did I ever hear him (Rev. Wright) make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.” SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama said he disagreed with what Reverend Wright said, what more do you want him to say?

REBUTTAL – Not only did Senator Obama agree with Rev. Wright, 14 months earlier about having to distance himself from the church, (and Rev. Wright himself), Senator Obama said he had never heard sermons that contained anything like what the mainstream media and Youtube were playing ‘on every station’. 3 days later, in his own speech, he stated ““Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.” ‘What more do we want him to say?’ We think ‘I Lied.’ would be sufficient.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 66 - “My campaign donations are from millions of average people {bitter, typical white people too?}. We are winning in a new way, without corporate influence, or special interests.”

EVIDENCE - The implication is that special interests, corporations, banks, and industry donations are not accepted. Nothing could be further from the truth. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama has millions of donors who have given less than $100.

REBUTTAL – True, Senator Obama does have many donors that have given less then $100. Senator Obama also allows the false impression that he does not take PAC or lobbyist money, money from Big Oil, Big Banking, Big Industry, or Corporate America. Here is a very small rundown of just how much money these special interest, corporate giants have been donating to Senator Obama’s ‘Grass Roots’ campaign: Top Contributors: 1 Kirkland & Ellis $143,138, 2 University of Chicago $139,554, 3 Sidley Austin LLP $100,932,4 Henry Crown & Co $79,500, 5 Sonnenschein, Nath & Rosenthal $74,950, 6 Exelon Corp $71,850, 7 Northwestern University $70,430, 8 Mayer, Brown et al $69,960, 9 Jenner & Block $62,710, 10 Soros Fund Management $61,605, 11 Goldman Sachs $61,500, 12 Clifford Law Offices $59,550, 13 Simmons Cooper LLC $58,500, 14 Tejas Securities $57,250, 15 JP Morgan Chase & Co $56,600, 16 Ariel Capital Management $55,650, 17 Skadden, Arps et al $54,071, 18 Winston & Strawn $52,450, 19 Piper Rudnick LLP $45,600, 20 Holland Capital Management $43,350. The top industries supporting Barack Obama are: 1 Lawyers/Law Firms $2,464,360, 2 Securities & Investment $1,117,132, 3 Retired $857,601, 4 Real Estate $620,760, 5 Education $542,966, 6 Business Services $509,266, 7 Misc Finance $415,498, 8 Health Professionals $363,713, 9 TV/Movies/Music $299,233, 10 Commercial Banks $282,553, 11 Printing & Publishing $186,293, 12 Insurance $183,132, 13 Non-Profit Institutions $175,720, 14 Misc Business $150,991, 15 Hospitals/Nursing Homes $146,175, 16 Civil Servants/Public Officials $144,069, 17 Lobbyists $127,800, 18 Computers/Internet $125,333, 19 Construction Services $119,910, 20 Electric Utilities $102,700

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

Wow, how enlightening...on a Christian forum a quote from Rush Limbaugh. Stop spewing Hate!!!!

Stop spewing hatred on this messageboard please!!!

Ah, a radical and militant Liberal Leftist in our midst has unwittingly exposed himself.

It takes one to no one...a saying l use to hear as a child.

Obama isn't what he claims and niether are you seven.

You go on and on confirming it for us...trapping yourself with your own words.

Talk about exposing oneself...

Really, it's called “discernment”, Sweetie. It's a no-brainer... anyone who hates Conservative Right-Wing Rush Limbaugh and calls him a hate monger is clearly and obviously a Leftist Radical. Use your head (common sense), instead of flying off the handle as usual and making wild nonsensical accusations to puff up your own ego. AND, if anyone has exposed oneself it is you, exposing your HEART OF COLD STONE. I'd be very careful of your constant "in your face" belligerence and back-biting and back-stabbing attacks if I were you (not a great and admirable Christian attribute). Your reputation is starting to precede you, for many have personally PM'ed me enquiring and objecting to how you specifically and constantly target me, relentlessly; and they note how all your comments to me are ALWAYS negative, insulting and condescending. And I have to completely agree with them. Beware of the Wisdom of Proverbs, "Your tongue shall dig your grave."

Whoa!!!! I was completely unaware of there being 57 islamic states!!

This is a bit reminiscent of when Barry "mistakenly" referred to himself as being muslim. I know I always accidentally referring to myself as an adherent of religions I do not practice.

Why of course... don't you know that even Christians refer to themselves as Atheists by accident. Why I do it all the time.


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