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emiljoe

Aug 21 2008, 08:30 PM

America the Inert

http://thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=5436.3740.0.0

August 21, 2008 | From theTrumpet.com
Russia invaded. Georgia capitulated. America waffled. Don’t think America’s other allies haven’t taken notice.

Wednesday of last week, with Russian troops firmly entrenched in the Georgian countryside, President Mikheil Saakashvili ignited a flicker of hope in his people. He assured them that Georgia’s staunchest ally was sending military assistance.

“Georgian ports and airports will be brought under control by American troops to carry out humanitarian and other missions to protect our people,” he said reassuringly in a nationally televised press conference. All will be well; the Americans are on their way.

But within minutes of Saakashvili’s reassurances, Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell issued a statement implying the Georgian president had misunderstood U.S. intentions: “We are not looking to, nor do we need to, take control of any air or sea ports to conduct this mission.” Indeed, U.S. military aircraft and naval forces were already en route to Georgia, he confirmed—not to stop the Russian invasion or defend the Georgians—but to drop off food and medical supplies.

Imagine the disappointment. Syringes of medicine may be helpful, but they don’t stop bullets or tanks.

Hope can be such a fleeting emotion. The Georgians had every reason to be hopeful. For years, the United States has embraced Georgia as a friend, and arguably its strongest ally in Central Asia and the Caucasus. Georgia has even provided direct support to the U.S. for the war in Iraq, putting its own troops on the ground there and in harm’s way. Washington has promoted Georgia as an example to other former Soviet republics of the benefits of leaning toward Western-style governance. Additionally, the U.S. has also been the foremost supporter of Georgian efforts to join nato—which was a prime reason for Russia’s invasion.

Friendship with America has come at tremendous risk for Georgia. Historically, Georgia has lived and functioned under the arms of either Middle Eastern Islamic powers or the Russians. Geographically, the tiny state is nestled precariously between Russia and Iran, two anti-American regional powers undoubtedly infuriated by Washington dancing with a Western-style democracy in their backyard.

The fledgling state has risked everything in recent years to distance itself from Russia and align itself with America and other Western nations.

Now Georgia is being flattened under the Russian bus—after being thrown there by the United States!

The Bush administration responded to Russia’s invasion of Georgia with strong rhetoric and a flurry of diplomatic activity. But less than 24 hours after the conflict began, the State Department made it clear that there was no chance of any American military intervention. Other than multiple harsh condemnations—which clearly fell on ears deafened by shelling—and lots of talk about Georgia’s right to sovereignty and nato membership, the American government still has not responded in a manner that has impelled the Russians to relinquish Georgia and quit being belligerent.

“The response of our own government has been pathetic,” opined Ralph Peters last week (emphasis mine throughout). America essentially pushed Tbilisi into war with Russia; now it’s standing by and watching Georgia be devoured. “We’ve called Georgia a ‘friend and ally,’” wrote Peters. “Well, honorable men and states stand by their friends and allies. We haven’t.”

New York Times columnist Helene Cooper observed a common justification for America’s impotent response: “While America considers Georgia its strongest ally in the bloc of former Soviet countries, Washington needs Russia too much on big issues like Iran to risk it all to defend Georgia.” In other words, in America’s “strong” relationship with Georgia, principle can be trumped by geopolitical expediency. That’s an alarming reality!

Can you imagine what America’s allies—particularly those whose foreign policy and national security equations hinge on U.S. support and guarantees—are thinking now? Russia’s unchecked invasion of Georgia exposed the inert, impotent state of American foreign policy and willpower, and its inability and unwillingness to meaningfully defend its friends and allies!

The confidence of America’s allies has been shaken to the core. Notice what Stratfor said on August 12:

Russia has also achieved its … goal of showing the West’s impotence …. Since the Americans—Tbilisi’s largest political supporters—did not show up to help the Georgians during their hour of need, U.S. influence in the region (and other former Soviet regions) will plummet. Washington simply will not be seen as a reliable guarantee against Russia.

Stratfor stated that America’s impotence has shaken states situated on the western and southern rim of Russia. But America’s abandonment of Georgia also resonates among other critical allies, including Pakistan, Taiwan, the Iraqi government and Israel. To one degree or another, each of these governments falls under the protective wing of the United States, with Washington being a key provider of political, economic and military aid to each nation. What happened—or didn’t happen, in the case of America’s response—in Georgia undermines the confidence each of these nations has in Washington!

The Georgia debacle exposed the powerlessness of American foreign policy, and the gaping lack of willpower to defend friends and confront enemies. The American military, overstretched and overtaxed by its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, lacks the tactical and strategic capabilities to intervene in other conflicts. By invading Georgia, wrote Stratfor Chief Executive George Friedman, “Putin revealed an open secret: While the United States is tied down in the Middle East, American guarantees have no value” (August 12).

Consider the Jewish state. The Trumpet has reported in recent months on the transformation unfolding in the long-standing U.S.-Israel alliance, and the fact that Washington is gradually abandoning the Jewish state. Everyone knows Israel is encompassed by an arc of feverish Islamic hatred. Signs indicate that large-scale conflict with Hamas, Hezbollah and even Iran is inevitable—perhaps imminent!

America’s pathetic, weak-willed response to Russia’s invasion of Georgia is a glimpse into what will happen when Islamic hordes invade the Jewish state!

Consider Pakistan. President Pervez Musharraf resigned on Monday. The government of this tumultuous, strategically situated, nuclear-armed nation is up for grabs. The U.S. has injected countless hours of diplomacy, military hardware, tactical know-how and more than $10 billion in aid into Islamabad in recent years in an effort to woo Pakistan as an ally in the war on terror. Despite this massive expense, however, Musharraf proved to be a half-hearted ally, and America decided it was time for him to go. Washington’s efforts to court Pakistan’s new government are made more difficult by the way the U.S. handled the conflict in Georgia.

Whomever Pakistan’s new president is, he or she will have to strike a balance between a nation in governmental crisis where radical Islamists are quickly gaining military (and political) momentum, and an American government desperate to write big checks and make lots of promises in an effort to maintain its critical foothold in a country integral to the war in Afghanistan and key in Iraq as well. But remember, Pakistan, like Georgia, is situated within arm’s reach of a deeply anti-American regional superpower, Iran. You can be sure Washington’s impotent response to the Georgia crisis will resonate with Pakistan’s leadership as it debates how far it should get into bed with America.

Don’t be surprised over the next few months if Pakistan’s government, cognizant of America’s declining geopolitical power, repositions itself in light of the reality that the region is dominated by Iran and Islamic political ideology. To learn more about this deadly serious possibility, read “Pakistan and the Shah of Iran,” by editor in chief Gerald Flurry.

The same goes for Iraq. Even before last week’s conflict in the Caucasus, the tension between the Iraqi government and Washington was apparent. Iraq appears to be growing more stable and independent and is beginning to position itself for the withdrawal of U.S. forces and a reduced American presence. This means cementing some kind of relationship with Tehran, the unchecked king of the region. But Washington is wary that the Iraqi government might draw too close to Tehran and become infected with its anti-American poison. The debacle in Georgia surely gave Iraq’s leaders pause in trusting America to guarantee Iraq’s security and to counter Iran.

The news out of Iraq has been positive in recent months, but the tide is about to turn. Without U.S. guarantees, the Iraqi government—whether it willingly aligns itself with Iran or is actually overrun by it—is about to come under Iranian control. The mullahs in Tehran would have been inspired by what they saw in Georgia!

The same principle applies to Taiwan, the tiny island situated in the shadow of China. The United States has long been the repelling force that has prevented China from snatching Taiwan. You can imagine what many Taiwanese are now thinking: If America isn’t prepared to defend Georgia from Russia, then it doesn’t have the will or ability to defend Taiwan from China. Watch! The United States, as the Trumpet has long forecasted, will abandon Taiwan—just as it did Georgia.

How can the greatest single nation in history with the largest military in the world by far be held over a barrel so easily? That’s a question only God can answer.

And answer it He does. In Leviticus 26:19, He says to America and Britain: “And I will break the pride of your power ….” The United States is a colossal power with incredible wealth. The problem is, God has removed America’s pride in its power!

The willpower of the American people and their leaders has been sapped. This reality is explained fully by Herbert W. Armstrong in our free book The United States and Britain in Prophecy:

Today even little nations dare to insult, trample on, or burn the United States flag, and the United States, still having power, does no more than issue a weak protest! What’s happened to the pride of our power? We have already lost it! God said, “I will break the pride of your power!” And He did! … You need to open your eyes to the fact that Britain’s sun already has set! You need to wake up to the fact that the United States, even still possessing unmatched power, is afraid—fears—to use it, just as God said: “I will break the pride of your power”; that the United States has stopped winning wars—that America was unable, with all its vast power, to conquer little North Vietnam! The United States is fast riding to the greatest fall that ever befell any nation!

Can we see that America’s inert response to Russia’s invasion of Georgia is proof that God has broken America’s pride in its power? To learn why God would do this, read the first 14 verses of Leviticus 26, as well as The United States and Britain in Prophecy.

To America’s allies, the invasion of Georgia by Russia exposes the United States’ geopolitical and military impotence, and will quite likely cause the U.S to become more isolated, as its allies look elsewhere for security and support.

But consider what it means to you individually. America’s broken pride in its power fulfills a prophecy made by God more than 3,000 years ago. It is another astounding proof that the Bible is indeed the Word of God! And just as sure as that prophecy has come to pass, so too will the prophecies of a better world tomorrow! That is a truth you can have real, lasting hope in! •

happy2Bfree

Aug 22 2008, 12:43 AM

I don't know about being "inert".

Russia did back down....didn't they.

If it was not for the United States.....Russia would already have had Georgia A LONG time ago.

But my country is already facing some serious issues and a pending war with Iran.

This needed to be settled without going to war. And that is EXACTLY what was accomplished.

GodLovesYou

Aug 22 2008, 11:16 AM

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.. it's deception you are being fed on the Media. My brother is in Iraq, and I get some of the inside scoop. Forget CNN and Faux News... they are liars and never tell it like it is. The media is a joke.

America is inert. Period.. and in for a major awakening. I pray we are all ready and pray it doesn't happen, but the stakes are against us.

Sorry Chloe, but I disagree. I am allowed to disagree! Sometimes we do.

Here Am I

Aug 22 2008, 11:47 AM

INERT
1. lacking the power to move.
2. very slow to move or act.
3. deficient in active properties; especially: lacking or usual or anticipated chemicl or biological action
__________________________________________________________________________________________

"Modern wars are maneuvered and engineered into existence in order to generate obscene profits for behind-the-scenes corporate manipulators whose sons and daughters never serve or die in those wars."

-Thomas S. Butler (a judge who became a US congressman for 31 years; chairman of the House Naval Affairs Committee during the Harding and Coolidge administrations

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."
- Franklin D. Roosevelt

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise their power from behind the scenes"
-Justice Felix Frankfurter, U.S. Supreme Court

happy2Bfree

Aug 22 2008, 11:47 AM

QUOTE (GodLovesYou @ Aug 22 2008, 11:16 AM)

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.. it's deception you are being fed on the Media. My brother is in Iraq, and I get some of the inside scoop. Forget CNN and Faux News... they are liars and never tell it like it is. The media is a joke.

America is inert. Period.. and in for a major awakening. I pray we are all ready and pray it doesn't happen, but the stakes are against us.

Sorry Chloe, but I disagree. I am allowed to disagree! Sometimes we do.

LOL.....

I get the inside scoop too. And if your brother thinks the United States in inert....then I hope he steps out of uniform soon because he has no place wearing it! I mean that.

If you don't like it here...then you know where you can go!

CNN and Fox News are actually pretty good. I and millions of Americans enjoy listening to them.

Fox News tends to be on the Concervative side. Thats probably why you don't like them.

GodLovesYou

Aug 22 2008, 11:54 AM

You can believe deception, that's your right. And I am not going anywhere.. I have a right to my opinion like you have yours. Maybe your information is flawed.

happy2Bfree

Aug 22 2008, 12:06 PM

As I said....

IF YOUR BROTHER IS SAYING THAT THE UNITED STATES IS INERT.....

THEN HE NEEDS TO STEP OUT OF THAT UNIFORM!

Let me give you some reasons WHY we don't need to go to war with Russia right now...

WE ARE MOST LIKELY FACING WAR WITH IRAN VERY SOON!

Georgia was not left defensless. We sent them aid. And we were the major one sending a message of warning to Russia.

We were very direct with Russia....and they backed down...didn't they.

In the future....that won't be the case.

But the United States is not "inert".

Sometimes....you need to regroup so that you can gather your strength for when the REAL fighting begins.

Our Generals are not idiots....unlike certain people are!

GodLovesYou

Aug 22 2008, 12:14 PM

Calm down already!
And I love my brother, but apparently the love in your heart is GONE. Seek the Lord.

happy2Bfree

Aug 22 2008, 12:29 PM

More little snide remarks? I expected nothing else from you.

GodLovesYou

Aug 22 2008, 12:35 PM

QUOTE (Chloé @ Aug 22 2008, 12:29 PM)

More little snide remarks? I expected nothing else from you.

Nothing snide. I just don't like being called an IDIOT and having my brother attacked, I LOVE MY BROTHER and he would NEVER LAY HIS UNIFORM DOWN... he joined the Navy for a reason and he is someone you don't even know. You are out of control, Chloe and you need to just be at peace. My last post here too, and I know you will say more because you can't put your anger under the blood. Let the Lord's peace flow over you. God bless you. The Truth is that God is Love and He is judging the US... this has come up a number of times. You get your info, I get mine. Doesn't mean one is wrong and the other is right, it's just different. Diff strokes for diff folks.

Oh, and wrong info too about Russia... Georgia attacked Ossetia.. so that was an act that Russia had to counter. Russia did not start it.

And I have inside info.

May the Lord bless you this day and always.

happy2Bfree

Aug 22 2008, 01:02 PM

I have a couple cousins who are Officers in the Navy. And they wouldn't be too happy with your brother if that is his attitude.

When he is serving this country....he is representing the United States.

This country does not need people serving who are not proud and thankful for our country.

WE are "inert?" I don't think so. We just have pressing issues all around us and even internal issues.

So just like in life...in anything....you need to pick and choose your battles and decide which area you need to focus on.

Our fall will come the day we leave Israels side. I honestly believe that.

And we need to quit meddling in the affairs of that nation and just help them in anyway we can.

Now is not the time to go to war with just Russia.

That battle is coming up though. Most likely...when it truely starts with Iran....Russia will be join in to help them.

happy2Bfree

Aug 22 2008, 01:12 PM

QUOTE

Oh, and wrong info too about Russia... Georgia attacked Ossetia.. so that was an act that Russia had to counter. Russia did not start it. And I have inside info.

LOL....

Ossetia is a breakaway providence of Georgia. Still within the boundrys of Georgia. For whatever reasons the Georgian Government was shelling them....Russia had no business going into Ossetia and then Georgia.

From what I understand...the Georgian Government was dealing with some separtist groups.
They had their own internal fighting going on.

Russia had no business doing what they did. They were taking it all wayy too far. That is why everyone was so concerned.

So I could care less about your "inside information".

GodLovesYou

Aug 22 2008, 01:15 PM

Chloe, did I say my brother was not PROUD of his country? I'm sorry but you really have to let the Lord give you peace. Israel is just at fault, TOTALLY!... there is so much history and they are not innocent. I will pray for them, but they are not innocent and not ALL of Israel are true ISRAELITES. They have porn, gay parades, etc. They have judgment coming on them just like the US. The Lord will watch over them though, even though they keep up their 'innocent profile'... there is deception going on there. But then you can believe differently. And hey, the sooner the Lord returns, the better. Let's get it over with. That's my take!

What my brother believes is none of your business. You believe what you want and hear what you want to hear and listen to your Faux News and all the websites that have deceptive news and you will get what your mind absorbs... junk. That's what the Media feeds us, junk.

I think Iran has every right to pursue a nuclear program and I think the US had provoked them one too many times. America is ARROGANT. They get what they have given out... they get too far into other people's business, getting into foreign policy that is not their right. George Washington had it right when he said that we should stay out of the affairs of other countries. My brother wouldn't BE in Iraq if it weren't for the Bush administration, that is EVIL! But I pray for the US and for the President as I am supposed to pray for my leaders. Do I believe he's right?? NO!

Nevertheless, there is nobody worth voting for this Nov. except Ron Paul and I will stick by that.

I know the battle is coming, I am awake and aware too.

Take care.

GodLovesYou

Aug 22 2008, 01:17 PM

Noted regarding your info about Georgia. Thanks for your false report. I will believe what I want.

And my brother has nothing to do with my thoughts on Iran or where I get my info from. It's not a joke, it's real. You really should read the history of Israel and the relationships the US has had with them for years for what.... OIL. We're in bed with Israel and we have to attack everyone that doesn't agree with us. Kind of like what you are doing here.

And noted also the LOL.. so where is the arrogance now? Where is the attacking now? I never said my brother was not proud of his Country. You read into things. Way too much. You have no idea where my info comes from, you are imagining again.

Power is dangerous, no matter how big you are... and yes, there is very little responsibility for actions of the US but lots of excuses.

We are not the policeman of the world, though the big brains in our government (or little brains) may think so. IF we never got into the war with Iraq, my brother would not be there. What a joke. This country is a joke. We get what we deserve for meddling in the affairs of others we have no business being involved in.

Have a great day!

happy2Bfree

Aug 22 2008, 01:29 PM

Just like when you read into my "idiot" comment and assume I was calling you that....that is no different than me assuming that your brother is not proud of our country if the "inside information" your getting about the United States being "inert" is coming from him.

So....you were saying that your "inside information" was coming from your brother. You seem justified in saying that the United States in
"inert" and that you have some secret knowledge that the rest of us are not privy too.

What a joke.

And if you think that my facts are not right on the subject....then please show me where I was off.

GodLovesYou

Aug 22 2008, 01:32 PM

Bye Chloe.. enjoy your conversation with yourself. You are not making sense. I talk with people who have something to say that is comprehensible. I can't find that here. So enjoy the topic!

Power is overrated. We need to keep our noses out of other people's business... and this is our responsibility. To worry about our OWN people. Amen.

Time for you to chill.

happy2Bfree

Aug 22 2008, 01:36 PM

QUOTE (GodLovesYou @ Aug 22 2008, 01:15 PM)

Chloe, did I say my brother was not PROUD of his country? I'm sorry but you really have to let the Lord give you peace. Israel is just at fault, TOTALLY!... there is so much history and they are not innocent. I will pray for them, but they are not innocent and not ALL of Israel are true ISRAELITES. They have porn, gay parades, etc. They have judgment coming on them just like the US. The Lord will watch over them though, even though they keep up their 'innocent profile'... there is deception going on there. But then you can believe differently. And hey, the sooner the Lord returns, the better. Let's get it over with. That's my take!

What my brother believes is none of your business. You believe what you want and hear what you want to hear and listen to your Faux News and all the websites that have deceptive news and you will get what your mind absorbs... junk. That's what the Media feeds us, junk.

I think Iran has every right to pursue a nuclear program and I think the US had provoked them one too many times. America is ARROGANT. They get what they have given out... they get too far into other people's business, getting into foreign policy that is not their right. George Washington had it right when he said that we should stay out of the affairs of other countries. My brother wouldn't BE in Iraq if it weren't for the Bush administration, that is EVIL! But I pray for the US and for the President as I am supposed to pray for my leaders. Do I believe he's right?? NO!

Nevertheless, there is nobody worth voting for this Nov. except Ron Paul and I will stick by that.

I know the battle is coming, I am awake and aware too.

Take care.

Oh my goodness. Let me guess....this is coming from your brother too? Does he also think Iran should have nukes? LOL!

Do you even know what Iran has threatened to do Rose? They have threatened not only the United States...but also to wipe Israel off the map.

And you think a tyranical leader like Ahmadinejad should have those? As well as the very extreme Shiite clerics who are giving him counsel?

These people are looking for their Messiah to come. They want that VERY BADLY. And the only way they think he will come is when the world is in turmoil.

These are not the kind of people you want to have that kind of technology within their grasp.

You have no clue as to what your talking about. And you have NO CLUE as to the dangers involved if Iran goes Nuclear.

That can never be allowed.

And....Sometimes I think about our founding fathers and what they were envisioning for our country. I wonder sometimes if they ever imagined we would get this big...and the power that we ended up achieving.

So with that great power comes responsibility...not only for our people...but for the world. This is why we step in at times. Like we are going to have to do with all the tension in the Middle East.

IF we still have the capability to do something about it when the time comes.

God only knows.

gregg

Aug 22 2008, 04:27 PM

QUOTE (GodLovesYou @ Aug 22 2008, 01:17 PM)

Noted regarding your info about Georgia. Thanks for your false report. I will believe what I want.

And my brother has nothing to do with my thoughts on Iran or where I get my info from. It's not a joke, it's real. You really should read the history of Israel and the relationships the US has had with them for years for what.... OIL. We're in bed with Israel and we have to attack everyone that doesn't agree with us. Kind of like what you are doing here.

And noted also the LOL.. so where is the arrogance now? Where is the attacking now? I never said my brother was not proud of his Country. You read into things. Way too much. You have no idea where my info comes from, you are imagining again.

Have a great day!

You know, I didn't know that we have places powered by nuclear plants. So, I guess I am a little dumingnorant

Or are the reports I get about nuclear power plants just some sort of smoke screen? I'll see if I find a couple.

Here's one: (the state of Washinton)

QUOTE

The Columbia Generating Station nuclear power plant shut itself down automatically Thursday afternoon when monitors on the turbine generator sensed low oil pressure, Energy Northwest said. The team operating the reactor monitored the condition and confirmed the reactor's safe shutdown at about 4 p.m., the operator said in a statement. The power plant had been operating continuously for 383 days. "Our plant produces more than a million dollars worth of power every day," Plant Manager Tom Lynch said. "Obviously we are anxious to get the system repaired and bring the plant back on line as soon as possible." He added it wouldn't restart until crews "have fully identified and corrected the reasons" for the shutdown.)

There was one a couple of hours ago from Florida saying they had to shut one of the major nuclear power plants down because of the flooding; the notice is gone now.

GodLovesYou

Aug 22 2008, 04:29 PM

Gregg, I don't know what you mean. Of course there are places with nuclear plants.. many of them. I lived in NY and we had lots. I don't understand. ???

happy2Bfree

Aug 22 2008, 05:13 PM

QUOTE

And my brother has nothing to do with my thoughts on Iran or where I get my info from. It's not a joke, it's real. You really should read the history of Israel and the relationships the US has had with them for years for what.... OIL. We're in bed with Israel and we have to attack everyone that doesn't agree with us. Kind of like what you are doing here.

And you really should read your BIBLE!

And perhaps go get some kind of deliverance? You need help, that is for sure!

GodLovesYou

Aug 22 2008, 05:15 PM

Again, shaking the dust from this thread. This goes nowhere but to contention. Have a nice evening!

PS I have read the BIBLE and I have been delivered from SATAN's POWERS over me that are permeating your words and other's on this board. And have also been delivered from responding to your posts forever! You should read Annie's thread (Here Am I) http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=22436&hl=

It will give you a new perspective on the REAL TRUTH of the media and America.

Amen.

happy2Bfree

Aug 22 2008, 05:25 PM

You know.....

I bet you stand in front of the mirror every morning and take a frustrated breath in and out and tell yourself as you smile....

"Today is NEW Day! I am forgiven. I repent. Today is a NEW day!"

Then you get on this forum and cover your words with a bunch of sugar while you keep attacking people with little remarks.

You have not even come close to dealing with the hurt you caused me in an appropriate manner.

If you were standing in front of me the other morning and saw how angry I was at what you did .... you surely would have started crying.

GodLovesYou

Aug 22 2008, 05:43 PM

No, I don't think so Cindy, anger doesn't make me cry. I am forgiven. Thanks for even more contention. It never ends, this is why I am through with posting on your topics... you just never EVER let it go. I knew you wouldn't. And you'll most likely edit your post now to add to it like usual. You always have something more to say. It IS a new day and this is the way the Lord set it up! I am forgiven. God looks at the future, not the past. I said I was sorry and if you feel it's sugarcoated, so be it, I can't make you see what's in my brain. You continue to make things worse instead of better and this is not from the Lord. Your anger is not either. You need some calm, maybe a warm bath?
And I'm not ATTACKING ANYONE with little remarks. I make comments to those who ATTACK ME! I answer respectfully unless the person ATTACKING is not respectful to me. There are only two that I can think of and you are nearly related. I apologize, I repent. I do. Now get some rest. It IS a NEW DAY and so will TOMORROW BE! Amen and so long.

And you keep using attack. I haven't said a thing to your friend (now your friend again) as much as i could have. I have posted in MANY topics and am not obsessed and focused on HIS posts... as much as you think I am, but he has a field day with EVERY one I post, as do you. So who needs the deliverance? What Denarion said below is so right.. but I neither wish to talk with you either.

You mean all 5 people know what I posted... for that is probably the number that actually saw it until you pmd everyone about it. Please, you are not trying at all.. you make it sound like you are but you are following me to every topic that I post on that has to do with you. I said I'm through, I'm through. Praying for you.

You are mad with rage like a serpent and I will not risk dying from the poison. I am through posting to you. You are crying poor victim here and it's not appropriate for a Christian forum.

happy2Bfree

Aug 22 2008, 07:14 PM

A serpent? LOL. Honey...what you did and have done was so low. You are deceitful and a hypocrit. And you could only post what I shared with you which was not much. But the point is you LIED to me when you said you would keep it to yourself. You betrayed me in the worst way and you were used by Satan when you did it. And you used what I shared with you to attempt to harm him. That is what makes you just as low as a snake! And I'm not the only one on this forum that thinks that of you.

However...

You know what I think would help me out a lot? For you to stop attacking him...(and you know who I am refering to). Because I feel partly responsible for the contention you have against him.

And I am thankful that with the Lord....EVERYDAY is a NEW day.

However....when it comes to people.....it is harder to heal wounds.

Trust me...I am really trying to not get into it with you. But to be honest with you....I am still hot over what you did. I am so hurt that you would betray me in that way. I never wanted to hurt him. I thought I was safe with you in telling you all that.

As with you and your opinions.... you point out that not everyone will agree with you.

So when someone comes along and posts something that seems like a slam against you....you also need to let it go.

Denarion

Aug 22 2008, 07:28 PM

Not often I post here, but this is going over the line. Shouldn't you two take this in private or something.. I am pretty sure other people agree on that.

happy2Bfree

Aug 22 2008, 07:34 PM

Sorry Denarion.

I will not communicate with her in the PM.

And those that seen what she posted also need to know how I feel about it.

I am really trying to not go farther with this though.

So....if you are a believer....you might say a prayer for me. I could use it right now.

gregg

Aug 23 2008, 07:53 AM

QUOTE (GodLovesYou @ Aug 22 2008, 03:29 PM)

Gregg, I don't know what you mean. Of course there are places with nuclear plants.. many of them. I lived in NY and we had lots. I don't understand. ???

You're talking about oil.

Oil is one of the worries because of the Kuwaiti fields. But, it is much more complicated than that. Iran imports nearly all of its oil, but Iran has been the terror of the world for a long time and for the Iranian regime to be allowed to possess things like nuclear weapons, well, they have brought upon their own heads a restriction. Iran has been at war with its neighbor Iraq and in that war they have built up their weapons of all kinds, have made their connections with other nations and have gotten jets and tanks and other weapons and Saddam Hussein of Iraq, along with his two sons, were overseers of mass gassing of Iranians and Kurds. Groups, like Hezbollah, al-Queda, etc. were formed in Iran for the purpose of battling the Iraqi regime but Hussein had the region immobilized with the threat of gassing and these groups went out to punish those who they thought were aligned with Iraq. Saddam Hussein and his family were, I guess, at least partial allies of the US and that made the US a target. The US was also a target through the commercial dealings with Iraq. I guess you could say that with the dealings that were going on in the world, the US became an indirect supplier of the gas that was used by Iraq. But, of course the world had already gone through the happening of the Holocaust and the US, with its commercial dealings with Germany, became indirectly involved with the gassing of the Jews.
Oil really has nothing to do with it. What has really caused all of the confusion is the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. How was the US supposed to know that the money that was going to the Nazi Regime along with the shower stalls and equipment were going to be used to gas the Jews? And how did the US business firms selling Zyklon-B gas to eastern companies know that the gas would be used to kill Iranians and Kurds? And when the President of the United States proposed that the US supply the world with knowledge, scientists, and reactors to start nuclear programs in places like Iran, how did he know that Ahmadinejad would start complaining about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
I agree that oil has gotten us into the mess we're in, but it is secondary to the problem.

GodLovesYou

Aug 23 2008, 08:47 AM

It's called "inside information" Gregg. Our govt isn't that stupid, and there are smart men behind the scenes.

But thank you for the info!

Be blessed, Rose

gregg

Aug 25 2008, 10:25 AM

The distance between countries allows the distortion of the truth of the intentions of any country. For example, the country of Germany could very well hide the happenings and intentions of and inside their country for some time from the US or any other body within the world back in the 1940s. For example, I don't know that the US knew of Hitler's plans and action before we bombed them into submission and Japan retaliated with the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Hitler had grown in the world into Japan and they could not grow any further outside of attacking Pearl Harbor. I heard a statement on NewsTalkRadio last night that said Hitler did not fire a shot in WWII except the one from him to his own head. But, I think that's wrong. The attack on Pearl Harbor was from the forces that backed Hitler.

GodLovesYou

Aug 25 2008, 10:28 AM

Amen Gregg, good post. It's true, a lot is happening we can't see and a lot is spiritually backed by the forces of evil that control the person's mind. As you mentioned, HITLER. He was a CHRISTIAN but still managed to do all the damage he did. What I always had trouble with was why didn't anyone stop him? Because of EVIL. They were in on it too and when the demonic start, they begin as one or two and then there are LEGION. This was sad, but nobody stopped it. Very unfortunately. The attack on Pearl Harbor too. For sure.

happy2Bfree

Aug 25 2008, 10:34 AM

I hope you mean that Hitler "proclaimed" to be a Christian.

That does not mean he was. Hitler was into the occult and most certainly was not a Christian.

It is very important to make the distinction.

GodLovesYou

Aug 25 2008, 11:02 AM

not worth it

happy2Bfree

Aug 25 2008, 11:29 AM

QUOTE (GodLovesYou @ Aug 25 2008, 10:02 AM)

Goodbye Chloe.

Goodbye Rose.

IAMlives

Aug 25 2008, 04:30 PM

QUOTE (GodLovesYou @ Aug 22 2008, 12:15 PM)

I think Iran has every right to pursue a nuclear program and I think the US had provoked them one too many times. America is ARROGANT. They get what they have given out... they get too far into other people's business, getting into foreign policy that is not their right. George Washington had it right when he said that we should stay out of the affairs of other countries. My brother wouldn't BE in Iraq if it weren't for the Bush administration, that is EVIL! But I pray for the US and for the President as I am supposed to pray for my leaders. Do I believe he's right?? NO!

I am an American and over the years have witnessed my country's deterioration. Rose, I agree with you on these comments. I'm not stating this to stir a pot of contention; but this is an issue dear to my heart. Of course American politicians will paint their activities as "righteous". There is sooo much that can be spoken concerning the hypocrisies of my nation. Nuclear power? The US is the ONLY nation on earth to ever use nuclear weapons against another nation, Japan. How does this give the US the moral right to approve or disapprove of another nations nuclear inventory? It is naive at best to believe that the entire world should go along with US agenda...the world is not innundated by pro-US media as we are here...why should they buy the hook-line and sinker? The US believes that might makes right...but that's not so...sincerely.

Going back to Japan, I remember being taught by my history books that the US had a righteous reason to use those nukes on Japan because in doing so, we were sparing the loss of our troops. You know, I completely disagree with that assessment. What people are unaware of is this...it was NOT necessary to use the nukes to begin with! US air-forces ingited gasoline mid-air above Tokyo and over 100,000 people died due to this (the ENTIRE city burned!)...and it was before nukes were dropped! When would enough be enough? After witnessing the effects of the first bomb blast; where was there room for a second one? Can anyone say "overkill"? US was demanding absolute, unconditional surrender and this is why they used the second nuke...because although Japan was willing to surrender; they wanted some favorable terms for their nation too...but the US wouldn't have any of it.

How many wars since then have been fought *behind* the scenes as well? If truth were told, the US has it's paws in every nation on the earth...whether or not it's admitted that these are war games or not...it's still war. If you listen carefully to politic-speak, you will hear about America's interests many times over...but what they are failing to disclose is that those interests are mainly economic domination of the planet. Whatever suits the fat pocketbook most is an American *interest*. America is involved in the governments of just about every nation on earth. If you think I'm making this up, please...study and research...because you will find that this is the truth.

God bless you all,
Kim

Bought&Paid4

Aug 25 2008, 05:46 PM

Amen and Amen to that Kim!! I couldn't have said it better myself! I believe that GREED, POWER, WEALTH, and the NEED FOR OIL has fueled every war that America has been in. We "supposedly" went to war with Iraq to "free them from the bondage of Hussein," didn't we? or did we? If so, then why didn't we run to the aid of Georgia, our so-called allies, whom gave us access to Iraq? Yes, I know that our leaders didn't want war with Russia at this time, however, if we had oil, wealth, or other benefits to acquire in the process, then you'd best believe we would have retaliated without hesitation...especially if we had been waiting for such an excuse....as with Iraq. And just you wait and see...we WILL be going to war with Iran soon...America wants their oil!! We are simply using the excuse of their nuke-building reactors. Even though I agree that Iran has no business having them, do we?? As Kim already stated...we used them on Japan...FOR NO GOOD REASON!!! I think that our greedy and haughty leaders simply wanted to see the results...as if to amuse themselves..and to "SHOW OFF" before a watchful and trembling world! I'm not saying that we should allow Islamic radicals to 'overtake' us...however, we tend to "overdo" everything. We ARE the police of the world....the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH!! What makes us more "justified" than any other nation to acquire this position??

Irregardless of what people may think, I still believe that our government staged 911. There was simply to much evidence to ignore that fact. Our leaders got tired of "waiting" for an excuse to attack, so they simply created one. Don't think that they won't do it again!! Arrogance and greed has overcome our nation and God describes us (Mystery Babylon) perfectly in Isaiah 14: 4-6, 47: 7-8; Jeremiah 50:2 (idols being wealth & power),23 (Hammer of the whole Earth), Jer. 51; Hab. 2; & Rev. 13, 17, 18:3,7,19, 23. God also promised in Jeremiah 50:12, that our nation would be on the downhill slide right before our demise (1st judgement of fire...nuclear holocaust??). I think that this verse is referring to economic strife, which we are now beginning to experience. So, this makes me wonder how far off our 1st judgement is? Remember, however, Jesus calls his bride home BEFORE the judgement begins! Hallelujah!!!

wernotalone

Aug 26 2008, 08:19 AM

Pray....no one's hands are clean..for all have fallen short of the glory of God.

A while back before this civil war broke out in Georgia...I was given a dream by a poster here on Christian net. Little did I know until this
encounter between the Russia and Georgia took place what significance this dream given had.
There where key words in the dream that stuck out and I did some research before this happened between Georgia and Russia...

now if you are interested in discovery what I found out...do your own research on:

http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/where_we_wo...r_basin/index.c
press on the link furthered.
President Lenid Kuchma

Bystroye Canal
http://www.ramsar.org/wn/w.n.ukraine_danube_wwfdanube.htm

Draining Wetlands

Remember how the enemy hurts the people...he takes away their livelihood. Remember when S.H. in Iraq damned up an area and the tribes then had no fishing ground.?

who is at fault? are they thinking of the people or their own economical gain?

Remember the Bible tells us that the LORD will recompense for those whom harm the Earth.

Today less than 19% of the former floodplains in the Danube basin remain compared to what existed in the 19th century.

EU. considers the Danube one of the continents MOST IMPORTANT FUTURE transportation arteries.

Among the priorities of these projects identified by high-level groups to expedite transportation accross the continent are uplugging a series of blockages on the river including the ENTIRE LOWER STRETCH of the RIVER including the delta.

Dyking and Dredging

More than 83 MILLION people LIVE IN THE BASIN

more than 20 MILLION people DEPEND directly on the Danube for DRINKING WATER..

So you see the significant interest in this area?

May the LORD our God intervene...and he will in his appointed time...Does Ezekiel come to mind?

happy2Bfree

Aug 26 2008, 09:36 AM

QUOTE (IAMlives @ Aug 25 2008, 03:30 PM)

QUOTE (GodLovesYou @ Aug 22 2008, 12:15 PM)

I think Iran has every right to pursue a nuclear program and I think the US had provoked them one too many times. America is ARROGANT. They get what they have given out... they get too far into other people's business, getting into foreign policy that is not their right. George Washington had it right when he said that we should stay out of the affairs of other countries. My brother wouldn't BE in Iraq if it weren't for the Bush administration, that is EVIL! But I pray for the US and for the President as I am supposed to pray for my leaders. Do I believe he's right?? NO!

I am an American and over the years have witnessed my country's deterioration. Rose, I agree with you on these comments. I'm not stating this to stir a pot of contention; but this is an issue dear to my heart. Of course American politicians will paint their activities as "righteous". There is sooo much that can be spoken concerning the hypocrisies of my nation. Nuclear power? The US is the ONLY nation on earth to ever use nuclear weapons against another nation, Japan. How does this give the US the moral right to approve or disapprove of another nations nuclear inventory? It is naive at best to believe that the entire world should go along with US agenda...the world is not innundated by pro-US media as we are here...why should they buy the hook-line and sinker? The US believes that might makes right...but that's not so...sincerely.

Going back to Japan, I remember being taught by my history books that the US had a righteous reason to use those nukes on Japan because in doing so, we were sparing the loss of our troops. You know, I completely disagree with that assessment. What people are unaware of is this...it was NOT necessary to use the nukes to begin with! US air-forces ingited gasoline mid-air above Tokyo and over 100,000 people died due to this (the ENTIRE city burned!)...and it was before nukes were dropped! When would enough be enough? After witnessing the effects of the first bomb blast; where was there room for a second one? Can anyone say "overkill"? US was demanding absolute, unconditional surrender and this is why they used the second nuke...because although Japan was willing to surrender; they wanted some favorable terms for their nation too...but the US wouldn't have any of it.

How many wars since then have been fought *behind* the scenes as well? If truth were told, the US has it's paws in every nation on the earth...whether or not it's admitted that these are war games or not...it's still war. If you listen carefully to politic-speak, you will hear about America's interests many times over...but what they are failing to disclose is that those interests are mainly economic domination of the planet. Whatever suits the fat pocketbook most is an American *interest*. America is involved in the governments of just about every nation on earth. If you think I'm making this up, please...study and research...because you will find that this is the truth.

God bless you all,
Kim

Most certainly our hands are not clean.

But Kim, we have never used Nuclear weapons to try and take over a country. We used that "new" technology against Japan (as it was new back then) as a retalitory measure.

Remember who came over to the United States FIRST. We didn't go to Japan and bomb them first. They flew over here.

Also, I hope I can help you understand WHY Iran does not need them. You have got to understand what we are up against.

What we are facing if they get them. Not only us...but also Israel.

Read the post that great2bsaved started about the Muslim that became a believer in Yeshua.

I posted his story and he is very clear about what those in Islam believe and what their intentions are.

God bless you sister.

I would like to discuss this further with you. I hope we can come to some kind of understanding.

I love to discuss this kind of thing with others because there are so many in our nation and around the world that are closing their eyes to this danger. Either that or they don't understand.

gregg

Aug 26 2008, 11:54 AM

... turned out to be triple-post. . .

gregg

Aug 26 2008, 12:13 PM

God just Loves to instruct. In fact, He is the Master Teacher.

QUOTE

I think Iran has every right to pursue a nuclear program and I think the US had provoked them one too many times. America is ARROGANT. They get what they have given out... they get too far into other people's business, getting into foreign policy that is not their right. George Washington had it right when he said that we should stay out of the affairs of other countries. My brother wouldn't BE in Iraq if it weren't for the Bush administration, that is EVIL! But I pray for the US and for the President as I am supposed to pray for my leaders. Do I believe he's right?? NO!

I admit, it looks as though the words spoken by Rev. Jeremiah Wright have become a battle cry for those who have put together an historical perspective from the angle of the oppressed. Iran gave up the right to possess any kind of weapon because of the previous actions of the councils in Iran to allow the formation of terrorist organizations for the purpose of overthrowing the Iraqi regimes including the intention to use the same or greater amount of force than that which was used by the Iraqi military in this attack:

QUOTE

It was not the first time that Iraq had used its arsenal of chemical weapons. An estimated 20,000 Iranian soldiers were killed in Iraqi chemical attacks between 1983 and 1988, according to a statement by the US State Department on the 10th anniversary of Halabja.
http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/...a.R8cW_DSF.html

In 1988, the incident that stopped the war between Iran and Iraq was the forces that came from Tehran, Iran captured a town of 40,000 people 6 miles from the Iraq-Iran border. Somehow, word got out to the men of the town that the Iraqi forces were going to do something and I don't know what the men were planning, but most, if not all, of the males who were of a certain age fled to the hills. The night after they fled, the Iraqi Air Force bombed the town with a combination of 5 or 6 types of chemicals and gas.

Iran has been the worlds House of Terror:

QUOTE

List of Assassinations
Tuesday, 19 July 2005
Partial List of Victims of the Mullahs' Regime Terrorist Activity Abroad 1979 - 1999

First Name Last Name Date of Attack City Country Description
Fariba Mouzarmi 12.06.99 Baghdad Iraq A huge car bomb explosion on a highway north of Baghdad at 8 a.m. (local time) wrecked two passenger buses, leaving many dead (including 6 members of the Mojahedin) and scores injured.

Massoumeh Goudarzi 12.06.99 Baghdad Iraq As above
Bijan Aghazadeh 12.06.99 Baghdad Iraq As above
Abbass Rafii 12.06.99 Baghdad Iraq As above
Akbar Qanbarnezhad 12.06.99 Baghdad Iraq As above
Javad Fotouhi 12.06.99 Baghdad Iraq As above
Reza Pirzadi 10.02.99 Panjgour Pakistan Ex-political prisoner; kidnapped and injured.
Ayatollah Agha Ali Ghoravi 01.08.98 Karbala-Najaf, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq Iranian cleric. Assassinated by agents of the Iranian regime in Iraq.
Sheikh Morteza Broujerdi 18.06.98 Najaf Iraq Iranian cleric. Assassinated by Iran's MOIS.
5 KDPI members 25.04.98 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq 5 members of the Kurdistan Democratic Party of Iran (KDPI) were assassinated.
Salah Bigzadi 15.12.97 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq Khebat supporter. Assassinated.
Seyed Jamal Nikjouyan 08.12.97 Koysanjaq Iraq A member of the KDPI. Murdered.
Taher Feizi 03.12.97 Sulaymaniya-Kirkuk, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq 4 terrorists of the regime opened fire on a vehicle belonging to the Khebat organization and killed one of its Peshmargas in this attack.

Hassan Zinati 15.11.97 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq Assassinated
Changiz Hadikhanlou 25.10.97 Baqouba Iraq PMOI member, slain in an ambush.
Saeid Moradi 18.10.97 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq 3 members of the KDPI were killed and 9 others wounded after their minibus on roue to Sulaymaniya came under heavy machine-gun fire by the Iranian regime's terrorists.
Ali Zokaleh 18.10.97 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq As above
Ismael Namaki 18.10.97 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq As above
Anjad Mowlaei 19.08.97 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq The regime's terrorists killed him and another KDPI member.
Ghalib Alizadeh 14.08.97 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq The regime's terrorists killed him and another KDPI member.
Ebrahim Gagoli 14.08.97 Panjvein, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq Abducted and assassinated.
2 Peshmargas of the Khebat 14.08.97 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq 2 Peshmargas of the Khebat were injured after a bomb detonated in their vehicle.
Farhad Babaii 26.06.97 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq Attack on car belonging to the KDPI left 1 person dead and 2 injured.
Khaled Abbassi 08.06.97 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq Assassinated
Abdollah Khani 04.06.97 Khalkan Iraq Active member of the KDPI; murdered.
3 KDPI members 03.06.97 Iraq 3 members of the KDPI were killed.
Latif Naghshbandi 05.05.97 Arbil, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq Assassinated
6 members of the Kurdish group 01.05.97 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq 6 members of an Iranian Kurdish group were killed by the regime.
Salim Karimzadeh 11.03.97 Kanigherjaleh, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq Assassinated
Abdollah Pirootzadeh 02.03.97 Rwandooz, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq Assassinated
Abbas Rahmani 09.12.96 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq A Khebat member. Assassinated
5 people belonging to the KDPI families 01.12.96 Koysanjaq Iraq The regime's terrorists attacked a number of members of the KDPI and their families and wounded a number of people. Among the dead was a 4-year-old child.
Abdolaziz Kazemi Vajd 19.11.96 Zahedan Iran Professor at Zahedan University and a Sunni leader. Kidnapped and killed by the regime's agents.
Ali Mowlaei 12.11.96 Islamabad Pakistan Iranian dissident. Assassinated
Hamed Salimi 11.11.96 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq Attack on a KDPI camp left one person dead.
Ali Garmaei 04.11.96 Halabche Iraq An Iranian Kurd and member of the Khebat was killed by the regime's agents.
Mohammad Nanwa 03.11.96 Sulaymaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq An Iranian Kurd and member of the Khebat was killed by the regime's agents.
Reza Mazlouman 28.05.96 Paris France Assasinated. Former Minister under the Shah and Professor.
Osman Rahimi 18.03.96 Iraq Iraqi Kurdestan
Taher Azizi 18.03.96 Iraq Iraqi Kurdestan
Hassan Ebrahimzadeh 18.03.96 Iraq Iraqi Kurdestan
Faramarz Keshavarz 18.03.96 Iraq Iraqi Kurdestan
Taher Rouhani 13.03.96 Soleymaniya Iraq
Hamed Reza Rahmani 07.03.96 Baghdad Iraq
Mowlavi Mollahzadeh 04.03.96 Pakistan
Abdul-Nasser Jamshid-Zehi 04.03.96 Pakistan
Abdul-Ali Muradi 20.02.96 Istanbul Turkey Assasinated. Supporter of the People's Mujahedin Organization of Iran.
Zahra Rajabi 20.02.96 Istanbul Turkey Member of the National Council of Resistance. Assasinated in Turkey while on a mission to aid Iranian Refugees
Three Mojahedin Members 10.07.95 Baghdad Iraq Three members of the Iranian opposition group Mujahideen Khalq were shot dead in Baghdad on Monday and Iraq summoned Iran's Charge D'Affaires to protest over the second incident in two days.... (Reuters, July 10, 1995)
Effat Haddad,Fereshteh Esfandiari 19.05.95 Baghdad Iraq Mrs. Haddad was a mother of four. "An Iranian dissident group, the People's Mojahedin, Friday accused Iran of sponsoring the assassination of two women in its organization in Iraq, sources with the dissidents said.... The slain women - Effat Haddad, 32 an
Majid-Reza Ibrahimi and another Mojahedin member 06.10.93 Baghdad Iraq Ibrahimi was killed and his companion wounded when the Khomeini regime's terrorists opened fire on them while they were shopping at a store in Baghdad's As-Sha'ab district.
Behran Azadfer 28.08.93 Ankara Turkey Fatally shot by two Farsi-speaking gunmen at his house in Ankara. A third person stood guard in the garden.
Mohammad Hassan Arbab 06.06.93 Karachi Pakistan member of the Mojahedin Jun. 6, 1993, Assassinated around noon in front of his residence in Karachi by 4 terrorists dispatched by the Khomeini regime.
Mohammad Hossein Naghdi 16.03.93 Rome Italy Representative of the National Council of Resistance of Iran in Italy. Shot dead by two terrorist astride a motorcycle in broad daylight in Rome as he went by car from his home to his office.
Mohammad Amin Mirlashari 09.03.93 Pakistan A chief of the Mirlashar tribe in Iranian Baluchistan. Shot and wounded in the street.
Delaviz Narou'i and Heybatollah Narou'I 09.03.93 Pakistan Chiefs of the Narou'i tribe in Iranian Baluchistan. Shot to death in the street.
Mojahedin and National Liberation Army of Iran 29.01.93 Baghdad Iraq Terrorists planted a bomb in a city bus in Baghdad which they knew to be used by the Mojahedin and NLA. No one was injured in the blast.
Saeed Shakeri 24.01.93 Sweden Mojahedin supporter. Attacked in the city library, resulting in a broken nose and fractured skull. His serious head injuries and the threat of infection necessitated surgery.
Mehdi Baba'I 22.01.93 Oslo Norway Mojahedin supporter. Two terrorists from the regime's embassy in Oslo brutally assaulted him. They fled when police arrived. Baba'i required hospitalization.
Mehdi Ha'eri 18.01.93 Germany Cleric opposed to the regime. Terrorists posing as acquaintances made an appointment to see him by phone. Aware his life was in danger, police guarding his residence arrest 1 man and discover a knife and a silencer-equipped gun in the car.
Gholam-Hossein Kazemi 12.01.93 Iraq member of the Mojahedin and combatant in the National Liberation Army of Iran. Assassinated while driving between NLA bases. The other occupants of the car were wounded.
Abbas Golizadeh 26.12.92 Istanbul Turkey Former bodyguard to the Shah. Kidnapped from his home in a suburb of Istanbul. Fate unknown.
Mohammad Sadeq Sharafkandi 17.09.92 Germany leader of the Kurdistan Democratic Party of Iran, three other Kurds (Homayoun Ardalan, Fattah Abdolahi, and Nuri Dehkordi) and a fifth unidentified individual. Sharafkandi and the 3 Kurds were shot dead when terrorists sprayed them with machinegun fire in
Mojahedin Office in Baghdad 15.09.92 Baghdad Iraq Around midnight, 4 terrorists dispatched by the regime attempted to enter one of the Mojahedin's offices. Confronted by a security guard, one escaped, two were arrested, and the fourth, who attempted to open fire, was shot and killed.
Feridoun Farokhzad 09.08.92 Germany Entertainer. Stabbed and beheaded with a knife.
Homayoun Maraghe'I 06.08.92 Germany head of the overseas office of the People's Party. Wounded with a knife.
Gholam Ghahremani 03.08.92 Dubai supporter of Mojahedin seeking political asylum. Kidnapped from his residence and transferred to Evin Prison in Tehran.
Members of the Kurdistan Democratic Party 23.06.92 Iraq Terrorist infiltrators poison the food at the KDP's HQ. 7 persons hospitalized in critical condition, 3 of whom subsequently died Hadi Mahmoudi (7/7/92), Ali Nanoureh (7/18/92), and Fakhroddin Moradi (7/12/92).
Mojahedin supporters 05.06.92 Turkey Car bomb planted in a car used by Mojahedin supporters defused before it went off. Mojahedin supporters. Car bomb planted in a car used by Mojahedin supporters in Istanbul destroys the vehicle.
Ali-Akbar Ghorbani 04.06.92 Istanbul Turkey Mojahedin member. Kidnapped by Tehran's terrorists in front of his home in Istanbul. Terrorists arrested admitted having been trained in Iran, and having turned Ghorbani over to Iranian agents, who tortured and then murdered him. They led police to a shal
Kamran Mansour Moqadam 03.06.92 Iraq member of the Communist Union. Murdered by machinegun fire.
Shahpour Firouzi 31.05.92 Iraq member of the Kurdistan Democratic Party - Revolutionary Leadership. Assassinated by machinegun.
Seifollah Seimanpour 01.05.92 Iraq Refugee. Killed by machinegun fire.
Kamal Reza'I 11.04.92 Netherlands Member of Mojahedin. Terrorists set an ambush for him near his residence, but he escaped the trap.
Nareh Rafi'zadeh 26.03.92 New Jersey U.S.A. wife and sister-in-law of former intelligence agents under the Shah. Assassinated as she left her car at her New Jersey residence.
Abolhassan Banisadr 06.12.91 Versailles France Khomeini's first president. The would-be assassins, who had entered his home in Versailles, fled when French security agents opened fire.
Members of the Kurdistan Democratic Party 29.10.91 Iraq A bomb-laden mini-bus was detonated in the path of a bus carrying the KDP members and their families. 3 persons were killed and a number, including small children, wounded.
Saeed Yazdanpanah 19.09.91 Iraq member of the Revolutionary Union of the Kurdish People, and Sirous Katibeh, his secretary. Terrorist infiltrators stabbed both to death at Yazdanpanah's residence.
Shahpour Bakhtiar 06.08.91 Paris France The Shah's last Prime Minister, and Soroush Katebeh, his personal secretary. Bakhtiar's throat was slit and his aide stabbed to death at Bakhtiar's home near Paris.
Abdolrahman Boroumand 18.04.91 Paris France Aide to Bakhtiar. Stabbed to death in the street in Paris.
Ahad Aqa 01.01.91 Iraq Member of Kurdistan Democratic Party. Assassinated in the street.
Khaled Hosseinpour 01.01.91 Iraq Member of Khebat, Assassinated.
Komeleh H.Q 01.01.91 Iraq A Peshmarg was killed when a bomb planted by terrorists went off at the HQ.
Iranian refugees supporting the Mojahedi 31.10.90 Rome Italy A group of refugees was attacked in the street by the regime's agents, three of whom, carrying diplomatic passports, were arrested. Many supporters were hospitalized with serious injuries.
Sirous Elahi 23.10.90 Paris France Member of Derafsh Kaviani. Shot and killed at his residence in Paris.
Gholam Reza Nakha'I 01.10.90 Turkey Iranian political refugee. Killed in his hotel room with a severe blow to the head.
Amir Qazi 06.09.90 Sweden member of Kurdistan Democratic Party of Iran. His wife, Effat Qazi, was killed when she opened a letter bomb addressed to her husband.
Ali Kashefpour 15.07.90 Turkey member of the Kurdistan Democratic Party of Iran -Revolutionary Leadership. Terrorists kidnapped him from his home in a refugee quarter. His tortured body was later found in a roadside ditch.
Kamal Reza'I 28.05.90 Germany Mojahedin spokesman. Two of the regime's agents arrested in an unsuccessful assassination attempt.
Prof. Kazem Rajavi 24.04.90 Geneva Switzerland Representative of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, elder brother of Massoud Rajavi, Leader of the Iranian Resistance. Shot to death in his car in Coppet, near Geneva. Swiss police confirmed at least 13 terrorists with Iranian service passports
Hossein Mir-Abedini 14.03.90 Istanbul Turkey Mojahedin member. Shot and critically wounded en route by car to Istanbul airport.
Hadj Balouch Khan 16.02.90 Taftan Pakistan Royalist.Assassinated by a Guards Corps commando squad in Taftan.
Hossein Keshavarz, Mojahedin sympathizer 14.09.89 Karachi Pakistan A hail of machinegun fire gravely wounded him in Karachi, leaving him paralyzed in both legs.
Sadiq Kamangar 04.09.89 Iraq member of Komeleh. Infiltrators assassinated him at his H.Q.
Bahman Javadi and Youssef Rashidzadeh 26.08.89 Cyprus members of Komeleh, Javadi was shot and killed in the street. Rashidzadeh was wounded.
Abdol Rahman Qassemlou 13.07.89 Vienna Austria Leader of the Kurdistan Democratic Party of Iran, Abdullah Qaderi-Azar, Fadel Mala, and Mahmoud Rassoul, his aides. Shot dead in Vienna while meeting secretly with representatives of Rafsanjani. A senior Guards Corps commander oversaw the murders. Two Ira
Ata'ollah Bayahmadi 04.06.89 Dubai ex-military intelligence colonel under the Shah. Assassinated in his hotel room.
Gathering of Mojahedin sympathizers 11.02.89 Germany A bomb exploded in front of the door to the meeting hall. 3 persons wounded.
Gathering of Mojahedin sympathizers 01.02.89 Rome Italy Terrorists armed with knives and clubs attacked the meeting in Rome. 3 persons were wounded.
Iranian refugees 03.12.88 Karachi Pakistan Iranian refugees waiting outside the UNHCR office in Karachi attacked. One person killed, 5 wounded.
Javad Ha'eri 01.12.87 Istanbul Turkey Dissident . Stabbed to death by two men at this home in Istanbul.
Behrouz Bagheri, son of Bahman Bagheri 28.11.87 Paris France former Air Force commander, bomb planted in his Paris store.
Iranian refugees 31.10.87 Quetta Pakistan Bomb planted in a hotel in Quetta. Police arrested Guards Corps members. One Iranian killed, another wounded.
Abolhassan Mojtahedzadeh and Mostafa Abrari of the 11.10.87 Istanbul Turkey Kidnapped in Istanbul by Iranian embassy personnel. Abrari escaped his captors. The police discovered Mojtahedzadeh in the trunk of an Iranian embassy car with diplomatic plates near the Iran-Turkey border.
Ali and Noureddin Nabavi Tavakoli 03.10.87 London UK father and son, royalists, Shot in the back of the head in the living room of their London home.
Ahmad Talebi 10.09.87 Geneva Switzerland Fighter pilot, refugee. Assassinated on the street in Geneva by two armed men.
Mohammad Hassan Mansouri 25.07.87 Istanbul Turkey Anti-Khomeini dissident, and another person, Assassinated by two men at his home in Istanbul.
Alireza Hassanpour Sharifzadeh, Faramarz Aqa'i and other Mo 08.07.87 Karachi Pakistan 13 homes in Karachi and Quetta attacked with RPG rockets and submachine guns. Sharifzadeh and Aqa'i were killed and 33 persons wounded. 9 men identified by police as Guards Corps members were arrested at the Iran-Pakistan border.
Amir-Hossein Amir-Parviz 08.07.87 UK Affiliate of Shah's last Prime Minister,Bakhtiar, Severely injured in a car bombÆ
Mojahedin supporters 12.06.87 Pakistan 3 persons injured in terrorist attack on their center.
Mojahedin supporters 31.05.87 Pakistan Terrorists threw acid on students manning a literature stand, seriously wounding 2 people.
Hamidreza Chitgar (Hamid Bahmani) 19.05.87 Vienna Austria First Secretary of the Workers Party. Assassinated in a house in Vienna. His body was discovered by police on Jul. 12, 1987.
Ali Akbar Mohammadi 16.01.87 Germany Former pilot for Rafsanjani. Assassinated in the street by two men.
Vali Mohammad and, former Marine officer 12.11.86 Pakistan Shot five times and killed.
Ahmadhamed Monfared (Hamid Farzaneh) 24.10.86 Turkey ex-Army colonel Assassinated by 2 men armed with silencer-equipped pistols.
Reza Fazeli 01.07.86 UK an anti-Khomeini mov
Ali-Akbar Khalvati 24.01.86 Dubai Kidnapped and tortured in a safe house to extract information on other Mojahedin sympathizers.
Abdolreza Salimi 24.01.86 Dubai Kidnapped and tortured in a safe house to extract information on other Mojahedin sympathizers.
Ahmad Madani 01.01.86 Paris France A former Defense Minister and governor under the Shah, Lapsed into a coma for 48 hrs. after eating poisoned candies in Paris brought from Iran. The gift-bearer meanwhile disappeared.
Aziz Moradi 23.12.85 Istanbul Turkey ex-colonel in the Shah's Army Assassinated in Istanbul.
Mir Monavat 28.09.85 Karachi Pakistan Majlis deputy from Baluchistan under the Shah Murdered at his home in Karachi by 3 armed men.
Behrouz Shahvardilou 06.01.85 Istanbul Turkey Police colonel under the Shah Assassinated in the Koucheh Kyabi district of Istanbul.
Gholam-Ali Oveissi 07.02.84 Paris France former commander of the Shah's Army, and his brother,an ex-general, Assassinated in the street in Paris.
Iranian refugee 01.02.84 Paris France Attacked by armed terrorists in the UNESCO Bldg. in Paris.
Anti-Khomeini students 01.09.83 Pakistan One student was murdered in an attack by the regime's agents.
Esfandiar Rahimi Taqanaki 08.02.83 Manilla Philippines Mojahedin supporter Stabbed to death with a knife and machete in Manilla.
Mojahedin supporters 06.12.82 Paris France On successive days, Khomeini's terrorists, armed with knives, chains and guns, attacked students distributing Mojahedin publications. A number were hospitalized for injuries.
Abdol-Amir Rahdar and other Mojahedin supporters 10.09.82 India Terrorists armed with knives and machetes attacked a demonstration protesting human rights abuses in Iran. Amir Rahdar was murdered, and 20 others seriously wounded.
Ahmad Zolanvar and other Mojahedin supporters 29.08.82 Karachi Pakistan Two terrorists astride motorcycles attacked him and his companions in Karachi, causing wounds resulting in brain hemorrhaging. He was subsequently transferred to Denmark for emergency surgery, where he died on Sep. 5, 1982.
Mojahedin supporters 20.06.82 Dallas U.S.A A gathering of Resistance supporters in Dallas, Texas, was attacked by a gang armed with knives, clubs, rocks and bottles.One was hospitalized.
Shahram Mirami, and other anti-Khomeini students 08.06.82 India 100 terrorists armed with clubs, knives and machetes attacked the Aligarh dormitory, where a group of Iranian students were holding a hunger strike to protest executions in Iran. Shahram Mirami was murdered and 9 other students seriously wounded.
Student supporter of the Mojahedin 08.06.82 India Terrorists seriously wounded him in a brutal assault.
Anti-Khomeini demonstration by Mojahedin 06.06.82 Spain Woman Mojahedin supporter stabbed in the back of the neck.
University students supporting the Mojah 24.04.82 Germany 150 terrorists armed with clubs, knives, chains, brass knuckles and tear gas attacked a student dormitory in Mainz. A young German woman was killed and 28 Iranian students severely wounded.
3 Mojahedin supporters 24.04.82 Sweden Seriously wounded in an attack by terrorists in the street.
Anti-Khomeini Iranian student 15.04.82 Sweden Attacked by Khomeini's terrorists at a bus stop. The following day, he was again attacked in retaliation for speaking to the press about the incident.
Student supporters of the Mojahedin 27.03.82 Sweden Terrorists armed with chains severely wounded several students, who required hospitalization.
Meeting sponsored by Mojahedin supporter 13.03.82 Oklahoma U.S.A. Students attacked and severely wounded at Oklahoma University.
Iranians attending funeral service for S 15.01.82 Manilla Philippine Terrorist lobbed a grenade into the gathering; 3 persons hospitalized with critical wounds.
Shahrokh Missaqi 14.01.82 Manilla Philippines Supporter of the People's Feda'ii Stabbed and killed in Manilla.
Iranian woman dissident 22.11.81 Stockholm Sweden Terrorists attacked her in Stockholm, resulting in her hospitalization for injuries.
Ali-Akbar Tabataba'i, 23.07.80 Washington DC U.S.A. Diplomat under the Shah. Shot and killed at his suburban Washington home.
Shahpour Bakhtiar 18.07.80 Paris France Shah's last Prime Minister A five-man hit squad tried to shoot its way into his Paris home. A policeman and a neighbor were killed, three policemen wounded.
Shahriar Shafiq 08.12.79 Paris France Former officer in the Shah's Army Assassinated in front of his Paris home.

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List of Terror Attacks

Tuesday, 19 July 2005

Date Incident

November 04, 1979 American diplomats were taken hostage and held for 444 days in Tehran.
1980 A car bomb detonated in London killing two people. Kourosh Fouladi, a MOIS member was arrested and imprisoned until 1989 for carrying out the attack. In 1996 Fouladi became a member of Iran's Majlis (Parliament).
April 1983 A truck loaded with explosives blew up in front of the American embassy in Beirut. Sixty-one were killed and 120 more were injured.
August 1983 An Air France 747 jumbo jet was hijacked after it took off from Vienna Airport en route to Tehran. The plane was blown up by the hijackers on the tarmac of Tehran's Mehrabad Airport.
October 23, 1983 The headquarters of the U.S. Marines in Beirut was destroyed in a suicide attack by Iran's terrorist surrogates, resulting in 241 dead, 80 seriously wounded.
March 1984 William Buckley, an American citizen living in Lebanon, was abducted by Iranian terrorist surrogates. He was secretly taken to Tehran, where he was killed in 1985 by the Revolutionary Guards.
December 03, 1984 Peter Kilburn, a librarian at the American University of Beirut, was abducted by Iran's terrorist surrogates. He was killed in1986.
May 22, 1985 Michel Seurat, a French writer, was kidnapped by mullahs' agents in Lebanon. He was murdered three years later by the hostage-takers.
June 1985 A TWA Boeing 727 was hijacked en route to Rome and Athens and was diverted to Beirut. One of the passengers on board who was a diver in the U.S. Navy was executed on the plane by the hijackers.
July 1985 Two bombs planted in two restaurants in Kuwait resulted in the death of 10 people and the injury of 80.
November 09, 1985 French police discovered a suitcase containing machine guns, handguns, grenades and bullets in the luggage of the Iran Air crew in Roissy Airport.
February 07, 1986 German police announced that two suspected Iranian terrorists abandoned their car and fled after they were pursued by the police. Their car had been used in previous terrorist attacks in France, and weapons and documents were discovered in the car.
March 18, 1986 Tunisian authorities announced that a terrorist group linked with Iran had been uncovered and 20 of its members had been arrested. The group called itself Hizbollah Al-Mokhtar
August 28, 1986 A large quantity of explosives, plastic bombs, and weapons was discovered in the luggage of Iranian "Pilgrims" arriving in Saudi Arabia for the annual Haj Pilgrimage. Saudi police arrested 100 of the undercover agents sent by the mullahs' regime
September 1986 A wave of bombings in public places shocked Paris. Fouad Ali Saleh was convicted of killing 12 and injuring hundreds. He was arrested in March 1987 while transferring explosives into a car in Paris.
July 1987 A DC-10 plane belonging to Air Afrique was hijacked by terrorists of the mullah regime. During the hijacking of the plane a French passenger was killed in the Vienna Airport. The president of Switzerland said the Iranian government was responsible.
August 01, 1987 Agents of the Iranian regime staged a riot in Mecca during the Muslim annual Hajj pilgrimage as part of a wider plan to destabilize the Saudi regime. The Saudi government said 402 persons were killed and 650 were wounded; 85 Saudi policemen were among the dead.
August 01, 1987 Embassies of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in Tehran were occupied by government-organized mobs, and a diplomat was killed.
April 05, 1988 A Kuwaiti 747 jumbo was hijacked in Bangkok and landed in Mashhad, eastern Iran. One of the mullahs' terrorists of Lebanese origin boarded the plane in Iran and led the terrorist operation. During the 15-day ordeal, two passengers were killed by hijackers.
December 22, 1988 Pan Am flight 103 exploded in midair over Lockerbie Scotland
February 14, 1989 Khomeini issued a fatwa (religious decree) to kill Salman Rushdie, an Indian-born British author, for writing Satanic Verses.
May 27, 1989 The Turkish daily Hurriyet reported that a 14-man group trying to infiltrate Turkey from Iran to carry out terrorist attacks had been arrested. The group's leader, Esmat Kamal, had been involved in the assassination of a Saudi diplomat in Ankara
July 31, 1989 Colonel William Higgins, an American officer working for the United Nations in Lebanon, was abducted and executed by the Iranian regime's agents. A video recording of his hanging was given to international news agencies.
1989 During the Muslim annual Hajj pilgrimage, three bombs were exploded around the holy site of Mecca. Scores of people were injured.
December 23, 1989 Mehrdad Kowkabi, an Iranian, was charged with the attempted arson of a London bookshop and planning a bomb attack in connection with Salman Rushdie.
January 30, 1990 French Television Channel 1 broadcast an interview with Lotti Ben-Khala, a terrorist agent who was trained in Iran. He said the mullahs planned a terrorist attack on a French nuclear facility that would have resulted in 10,000 deaths.
July 03, 1991 The Italian translator of Satanic Verses was stabbed and injured. The assailant said that he was an Iranian who was seeking Rushdie's whereabouts.
July 21, 1991 Professor Hitoshi Igarashi, the Japanese translator of The Satanic Verses, was stabbed to death.
December 29, 1991 Following the arrest of one of the mullahs' terrorists in Bern, the regime barred the employees of the Swiss embassy from leaving Tehran
March 1992 Relations between Bern and Tehran were severed after an Iranian terrorist was arrested in Switzerland. A Swiss businessman disappeared in Tehran. Later it was discovered that he had been taken hostage.
March 17, 1992 An attack against the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires resulted in the death of 20 and the injury of 250 people.
November 21, 1992 French police announced the arrest of two Iranians involved in several assassinations in Europe.
December 29, 1992 Palestinian President Yasser Arafat told Egypt's parliament that the Iranian regime finances Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other radical groups and recently paid them $30 million.
January 27, 1993 The Turkish interior minister said a terrorist network linked with the Iranian regime carried out the assassination of Turkish journalist Ugur Mumcu
January 27, 1993 Turkish police arrested a group of Turkish Hizbollah members, who were trained in Iran, and charged them with the killing of Hikmet Cettin, a Turkish journalist
April 25, 1993 The New York Times reported that at least $100,000 had been deposited in the account of the prime suspects of the February 1993 World Trade Center bombing. The money primarily came from Iran.
July 08, 1993 Egyptian security forces arrested 165 Islamic fundamentalists. Two of them had been trained in a terrorist training center in Mashad, eastern Iran
October 11, 1993 The Norwegian publisher of Salman's book, William Nigaard, was hit with three bullets from the back in an unsuccessful assassination attempt
June 02, 1994 AFP reported that U.S. intelligence officials said Iran has secretly planted 400 members of the Revolutionary Guards in Bosnia in order to set up terrorist cells in the former slavia
July 18, 1994 A bomb at the Amia Jewish Center in Buenos Aires left 85 civilians dead and 230 injured. Argentine intelligence officials later announced that the Qods Force’s former commander, Ahmad Vahidi, helped plan the bombing.
April 10, 1996 Four diplomats of the mullahs' regime in Turkey were expelled because of their role in the assassination of Zahra Rajabi and a Turkish intellectual.
May 13, 1996 The Iranian Resistance exposed a plan by the MOIS to attack the residence of Maryam Rajavi, the President-elect of the NCRI, in a Paris suburb.
May 23, 1996 Palestinian President Yasser Arafat said: "A clandestine group intended to assassinate me. They acted upon a religious decree from Iran."
June 05, 1996 Bahrain's Interior Minister exposed a plan to topple the ruling family by fundamentalist Shiites. The leader of the group, Ali Kazem Almottaqavi, had been living in Iran since 1983. He was led by Brigadier General Ahmad Sharifi of the Revolutionary Guards. (Brigadier General Sharifi, commander of the Qods Force's Sixth Brigade, was one of the eight main operational commanders of the Qods Force).
June 1996 The government of Bahrain announced the discovery of a local Hizbollah terrorist cell, whose members were trained and sponsored by the Iranian regime.
September 24, 1996 An Iranian diplomat was arrested and later expelled by the government of Tajikistan for his role in exporting fundamentalism and terrorism to this country.
February 02, 1997 The Turkish government expelled an Iranian diplomat for active involvement in exporting fundamentalism and terrorism to turkey.
February 02, 1997 Terrorists were trained in Imam Sadeq's training base near Qom. They were flown to a third country from Tehran in spring 1996. They were transferred to Saudi Arabia and implemented their plans.
October 12, 1998 A government-affiliated institution raised its bounty for Salman Rushdie's head to $2.8 million.
August 23, 1999 The written testimony of Argentina's vice-President to the judiciary of this country cited evidence pointing to the Iranian regime's role in the bombing of the Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires in July 1994.
April 26, 2001 The Conference of Palestinian Intifada in Tehran called for the annihilation of Israel.

May 12, 2003 The Washington Post reported on Oct. 14, 2003 that Saad bin Laden was managing the Al-Qaeda organization from Iran under the protection of the Qods Force. "Saad bin Laden and other senior al Qaeda operatives were in contact with an al Qaeda cell in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, in the days immediately prior to the May 12 suicide bombing there that left 35 people dead, including eight Americans, European and U.S. intelligence sources say." It added that the contacts have led to the conclusion that the Riyadh attacks were planned in Iran and ordered from there. "Like other al Qaeda leaders in Iran, the younger bin Laden, who is believed to be 24 years old, is protected by an elite, radical Iranian security force loyal to the nation’s clerics ... Also under the Jerusalem [Qods] Force’s protection is Saif al-Adel, al Qaeda’s chief of military operations; Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah, the organization’s chief financial officer, and perhaps two dozen other top al Qaeda leaders, the officials said."
January 19, 2005 Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei reaffirmed Khomeini's fatwa for the death of Salman Rushdie, labelling him "an apostate whose killing would be authorised by Islam."
January 23, 2005 The Sunday Telegraph reported that Pakistani officials blamed Iran for fuelling a growing insurgency in Baluchistan. "Officials in Islamabad believe Iran is encouraging 'intruders' from its own Bal-och community to cross the 550-mile border with the Pakistani province, and give support to the rebels. All this violence is a part of a greater conspiracy, a senior government official told The Telegraph. 'These militants would not be challenging the government so openly without the back-up of a foreign hand.' ... Pakistan's ISI intelligence service set up a unit in the provincial capital, Quetta, last year to monitor suspected Iranian activity in Baluchistan. Officials say that in addition to directly supporting the insurgency, Teheran's state-controlled radio has launched a propaganda campaign against Islamabad."

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God is the God of Justice. If you want to jump over to their side and claim that they have been oppressed and treated badly for persuing types of actions that they are without the light of the past shining on their intentions, you're late and the door is closed.

gregg

Aug 26 2008, 12:16 PM

double post, sorry.

happy2Bfree

Aug 26 2008, 12:35 PM

That was a great post Greg.

That reminds me....I need to hunt down this thread at another forum where it showed just how many attacks Israel dishes out compared to how many they take in.

I wish every one of my liberal Professors who seem to support the Islamic side...could see that.

I'll post it if I can find it.

gregg

Aug 26 2008, 02:08 PM

Iran has nuclear plants just like the US does and probably more. There is no restrictions on the amount of nuclear plants they can have just as there is no limit on the plants the US can have. Iran has applied to the world comittee that controls the nuclear proliferation and they received permission to process uranium, the US has done the same. Iran, however, withdrew from the agreement to stop nuclear proliferation which is an event that may be leading to something.

happy2Bfree

Aug 26 2008, 08:49 PM

One needs to understand that Israel has no intention of ever using them to harm another country.

Iran does. It is evident in some of the quotes from Ahamdinejad.

THIS is why Iran can NEVER have them.

happy2Bfree

Aug 26 2008, 09:38 PM

I understand. There are many that hold the same view.

However....I have been looking into this. I also did an extensive paper on Ahmadinejad. I have a very thick stack of Academic articles about him. As well as a few books on the subject.

I feel very confident in saying what I do. And our Government leaders seem to understand the same thing. (currently seem to)

I think it boils down to realizing what the intentions are of a particular power. Israel is on the defensive, IMHO. They...like the United States, would never use Nuclear weapons to destroy a country unprovoked.

However, Ahmadinejad has said that Israel will be destroyed in fire. He has said that the Jewish people have no right to exist. That they will be wiped off the face of the Earth.

This is not the kind of man that we want to have Nuclear Weapons. (and I have not even mentioned what he has said about the U.S.)

Israel has been giving us advise and when we take it...we are far better off. But the times we have ignored it....we loose big time....i.e...9/11. And Israels military leaders are giving us warnings. We need to listen.

Israel is a tiny nation that wants to live in peace with its neighbors. But their neighbors have been bombing them and attacking them since they were allowed to have that peice of land back again.

I believe that what happened in 1948 was an answer from God. I believe this was the Prophetic moment that was spoken about in the scriptures.

I believe the land.... ALL OF IT....belongs to Israel (meaning the JEWS

). But they keep making all these peace agreements with their neighbors and give more of their land up. And then all their neighbors keep wanting is more and more.

Reminds me of the saying....give the wrong person an inch....and they will take a mile!

How true that is with Israel and their enemies.

As Christians...we should and must do all we can to help them be safe.

happy2Bfree

Aug 27 2008, 07:40 AM

Well don't worry. I'm not going to allow myself to get into another "forum war".

I'm not sure who exactly you are refering to when you mention the "spirit behind them". Are you talking about Bush and Cheney?

It is okay if you don't want to discuss this further.

However later....I am going to post my comment and also provide some solid scriptures about
WHY we should support Israel as well as the one you were refering to about the Earth being consumed by fire.

happy2Bfree

Aug 27 2008, 07:52 AM

QUOTE (GodLovesYou @ Aug 27 2008, 06:44 AM)

No probl, post what you want. Unless the Lord has told me differently, I interpret the Scriptures through the knowledge of the Holy Spirit within me, not from what your opinion about Israel is. Thank you for being so understanding. Ooh, a threat of more Scriptures... I am not really on the edge of my seat, I feel at peace with what I believe to be true in my heart of hearts and what the Lord has shown me.

And yes, the evil spirit behind the entire world GOVERNMENT, and in our nation, yes, that would be BUSH and Cheney and I'd go as far to say Condie Rice too!

But of course, we pray for them.

Rose....

I never took an attitude with you in my post. I was very calm when I posted that. Why do you say words like "threat" as if that was my intention?

Why do you continue on with giving everyone that does not agree with you an attitude?

You keep telling everyone to put the claws back in...but you don't admit that you are the one that keeps "trying" to take them out.

I think it is best if you don't visit this thread again. I seem to get you all upset when I mention supporting Israel.

I don't expect you to be on the edge of your seat. I just let the Word of God speak for itself.

What is interesting is when people continue to believe what they want when the scriptures speak LOUD AND CLEAR on an issue.

And there are some very powerful scriptures that refute what you are proposing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x8E7wacpCM...feature=related

happy2Bfree

Aug 27 2008, 07:56 AM

Rose posted:

QUOTE

Goodbye Chloe, they don't speak loud and clear to me. God does though. Your winking eye tells more than the words you write... I can read between the lines. Have a nice day!

God speaks to us through His Word.

And I never posted a "winking eye" in my post above. For any of the ones in the last few days....yes...that certainly was ment to be there.

But as I mentioned before.....you do not have to counter post me if you don't agree. But I'm not going to stay quiet just because you happen to want me to...lol.

I think it is best if you don't visit this thread again.

GodLovesYou

Aug 27 2008, 07:57 AM

I think so too... salvation is soon upon us, don't want to waste any more time!

happy2Bfree

Aug 27 2008, 08:05 AM

I will post my scriptures later when I have some time. And Rose....I know your reading this.

Israel means ALL the Jews. All the twelve tribes are Jewish.

And the scriptures are very clear that salvation comes from them.

Read Romans chap. 11. I hope you can grasp what is being said there.

happy2Bfree

Aug 27 2008, 11:23 AM

QUOTE (GodLovesYou @ Aug 27 2008, 07:25 AM)

QUOTE (Chloé @ Aug 26 2008, 09:38 PM)

I understand. There are many that hold the same view.

However....I have been looking into this. I also did an extensive paper on Ahmadinejad. I have a very thick stack of Academic articles about him. As well as a few books on the subject.

I feel very confident in saying what I do. And our Government leaders seem to understand the same thing. (currently seem to)

I think it boils down to realizing what the intentions are of a particular power. Israel is on the defensive, IMHO. They...like the United States, would never use Nuclear weapons to destroy a country unprovoked.

However, Ahmadinejad has said that Israel will be destroyed in fire. He has said that the Jewish people have no right to exist. That they will be wiped off the face of the Earth.

This is not the kind of man that we want to have Nuclear Weapons. (and I have not even mentioned what he has said about the U.S.)

Israel has been giving us advise and when we take it...we are far better off. But the times we have ignored it....we loose big time....i.e...9/11. And Israels military leaders are giving us warnings. We need to listen.

Israel is a tiny nation that wants to live in peace with its neighbors. But their neighbors have been bombing them and attacking them since they were allowed to have that peice of land back again.

I believe that what happened in 1948 was an answer from God. I believe this was the Prophetic moment that was spoken about in the scriptures.

I believe the land.... ALL OF IT....belongs to Israel (meaning the JEWS

). But they keep making all these peace agreements with their neighbors and give more of their land up. And then all their neighbors keep wanting is more and more.

Reminds me of the saying....give the wrong person an inch....and they will take a mile!

How true that is with Israel and their enemies.

As Christians...we should and must do all we can to help them be safe.

And yes, you did post the winking eye.. see above, right before the word JEWS. I can read the Bible too and I know what Romans says.

Hope you can grasp it too, we agree to disagree.. and LOL back to ya!