Paul made a huge statement about Israel, and see, we read the bible and some of us don"t
understand the story of Israel as it, still a present situation today.
Lets take a look at what paul wrote, Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people?
God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 11:2
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Theres also another point made about the true Jews. Lets go to Revelation 3:9 9 Behold, I will
make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold,
I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the
blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
We arrived at this conclusion by reasons such as the color of the Israelities (jews) of the
Bible,and most noteworthy, the Bad Treatment and Continuous Bad Conditions that were
prophesied to befall the real Israelites if they failed to keep the laws and commandments of
God. God promised the Israelites that if they failed to obey him,he would curse them and
eventually have them removed from their land and carried as slaves into every nation upon the
earth. Israel failed,and God kept his promise.
After the Israelites were remove from the land of Israel,it was left as an empty vacant lot,
with know inhabitants. Now,if one can understand that any land which has been emptied of its
rightful owners can be claimed by any nationality of people that have power or permission to
settle in and possess it, then it should also be easy to understand that nationality of people
which move in it and take over the land can assume (adopt) the culture,history,and even call
themself by the name of the people that the they have replaced. After a long period of years,
that nationality would be accepted by the rest of the world as being the original and rightful
inhabitants of that land. This would especially be true if the original people of the land had
been move by force,and carried off as slaves. Such is the case of the real Israelites (jews)!
When someone else is called by your named it is very easy to become lost and living in your
land,while you have been carted off into slavery and are called by whatever nation you are found.
After being in slavery for a long period of years,and throughout generations,it would be impossible
for your children to remember their history. How can they remember what they were never taught?
Black History (The Holy Bible) tells us that there were two sons born to Isaac and to Rebekah,
his wife. These two boys were struggling in their mother"s womb even before they were born,and
Rebekah asked the Lord why were they struggling. The Lord answered her,telling her that there
were two different nations and two different manner of people in her womb and that he would
seperate them at birth. (Gensis ch25:21-25).
When the oldest son was born, the Bible says he was red Hairy, and was given the name
Esau, but was later also called bye the name Edom. Thier youngest son was named Jacob,
with no reference made to his color. His name was later changed to Israel. The fact being
that emphasis was put on Esau"s appearance makes it very clear that God had made more
that just personality different between the two boy.
As these boys matured, there grew dislike between them because Esau claimed that Jacob
stole his birthright. Therefore, Esau vowed to kill Jacob. As they developed into nations down
through the generations, settling in different locations, (Jacob in the land of Israel, which was
named after him, and Esau in the land Edom, also called and known as Mt.Seir), the children
(descendants) of Esau were responsible for the death of many Israelities. Some time later, down
through generation, the children of Esau were able to take over the land of the children of Jacob,
and to claim that were the "Lost Tribes of Israel". After taking the name and the land of the true
Israelities, it was only a matter of time before the whole world accepted the childen of Esau as
being the lost tribes of israel,(which is presently the case). Mean while, the true Israelities are
still in captivity just as the Lord said they would be.
When Esau (the father of the Edomites) and Jacob ( the father of the jews) were born, the Bible
describes Esau as being "red and hairy". Later, in other scriptures, Jacob whose name was changed
to Israel, was compare to the Ethiopians-"Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children
of Israel, said the Lord?"(Amos 9:7). Ethiopia comes from the greek word Aithiop, which means
burn face/orskin. The different between "dark skin"and"red and hair" is quite distinct, and has not
changed down trought the generations.
Now lets us reason together, Understanding that Ethiopia comes from the Greek word Aithiop,
which means Burnt Face or Skin, lets look at a description of Jesus in revelation 1:14. "His head
and his hairs were like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as flame of fire", "and his feet like
fine brass, as if they were burned in a furnace." Any rational mined person would understand that
Jesus was not two colors, having a white head and a black or burnt (Aithiop) body. Reasoning will
also cause you to understand that his hair is white and woolly, and his body and skin is like the
Ethiopians (Burnt Skin).
Song of Solomon 1:5,6 in the Bible states; and I quote, "I am Black, but comely, O ye daughters
of Jerusalem, as the tents of kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Look not upon me because I am Black,
because the sun hath looked upon me." Most people think this is a love story , but in reality this is
describing the relationship between God and his people.
Lets look at Acts 13:1 where the prophet was called Niger, which means black. Niger is the word
that nigger comes from. Also in Exodus 4:6 where Moses Hand turned leprous (as white as snow)
and Numbers 12:13 where Miriam, Moses sister, was turned white. Leviticus tells us that there are
two kinds of Leprosy, one is unclean leprosy, when there is raw or swallon skin in the flesh; the other
is clean leprosy when a person simply turns white all over. Now honestly ask yourself, why would a
white person get exited about turning white? But if a black person turns white, that"s something else!
Leviticus 13:12-13. Jeremiah 8:21 For the hurt of the daughter of my people am I hurt; I am Black;
astonishment hath taken hold on me. There are more scripture on color, and there are other thinngs
written concerning the true Israelities (Jews).
Full Version: Are The True Israelities Black People?
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Aug 21 2008, 11:54 AM) 
Paul made a huge statement about Israel, and see, we read the bible and some of us don"t
understand the story of Israel as it, still a present situation today.
Lets take a look at what paul wrote, Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people?
God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 11:2
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Theres also another point made about the true Jews. Lets go to Revelation 3:9 9 Behold, I will
make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold,
I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the
blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
We arrived at this conclusion by reasons such as the color of the Israelities (jews) of the
Bible,and most noteworthy, the Bad Treatment and Continuous Bad Conditions that were
prophesied to befall the real Israelites if they failed to keep the laws and commandments of
God. God promised the Israelites that if they failed to obey him,he would curse them and
eventually have them removed from their land and carried as slaves into every nation upon the
earth. Israel failed,and God kept his promise.
After the Israelites were remove from the land of Israel,it was left as an empty vacant lot,
with know inhabitants. Now,if one can understand that any land which has been emptied of its
rightful owners can be claimed by any nationality of people that have power or permission to
settle in and possess it, then it should also be easy to understand that nationality of people
which move in it and take over the land can assume (adopt) the culture,history,and even call
themself by the name of the people that the they have replaced. After a long period of years,
that nationality would be accepted by the rest of the world as being the original and rightful
inhabitants of that land. This would especially be true if the original people of the land had
been move by force,and carried off as slaves. Such is the case of the real Israelites (jews)!
When someone else is called by your named it is very easy to become lost and living in your
land,while you have been carted off into slavery and are called by whatever nation you are found.
After being in slavery for a long period of years,and throughout generations,it would be impossible
for your children to remember their history. How can they remember what they were never taught?
Black History (The Holy Bible) tells us that there were two sons born to Isaac and to Rebekah,
his wife. These two boys were struggling in their mother"s womb even before they were born,and
Rebekah asked the Lord why were they struggling. The Lord answered her,telling her that there
were two different nations and two different manner of people in her womb and that he would
seperate them at birth. (Gensis ch25:21-25).
When the oldest son was born, the Bible says he was red Hairy, and was given the name
Esau, but was later also called bye the name Edom. Thier youngest son was named Jacob,
with no reference made to his color. His name was later changed to Israel. The fact being
that emphasis was put on Esau"s appearance makes it very clear that God had made more
that just personality different between the two boy.
As these boys matured, there grew dislike between them because Esau claimed that Jacob
stole his birthright. Therefore, Esau vowed to kill Jacob. As they developed into nations down
through the generations, settling in different locations, (Jacob in the land of Israel, which was
named after him, and Esau in the land Edom, also called and known as Mt.Seir), the children
(descendants) of Esau were responsible for the death of many Israelities. Some time later, down
through generation, the children of Esau were able to take over the land of the children of Jacob,
and to claim that were the "Lost Tribes of Israel". After taking the name and the land of the true
Israelities, it was only a matter of time before the whole world accepted the childen of Esau as
being the lost tribes of israel,(which is presently the case). Mean while, the true Israelities are
still in captivity just as the Lord said they would be.
When Esau (the father of the Edomites) and Jacob ( the father of the jews) were born, the Bible
describes Esau as being "red and hairy". Later, in other scriptures, Jacob whose name was changed
to Israel, was compare to the Ethiopians-"Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children
of Israel, said the Lord?"(Amos 9:7). Ethiopia comes from the greek word Aithiop, which means
burn face/orskin. The different between "dark skin"and"red and hair" is quite distinct, and has not
changed down trought the generations.
Now lets us reason together, Understanding that Ethiopia comes from the Greek word Aithiop,
which means Burnt Face or Skin, lets look at a description of Jesus in revelation 1:14. "His head
and his hairs were like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as flame of fire", "and his feet like
fine brass, as if they were burned in a furnace." Any rational mined person would understand that
Jesus was not two colors, having a white head and a black or burnt (Aithiop) body. Reasoning will
also cause you to understand that his hair is white and woolly, and his body and skin is like the
Ethiopians (Burnt Skin).
Song of Solomon 1:5,6 in the Bible states; and I quote, "I am Black, but comely, O ye daughters
of Jerusalem, as the tents of kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Look not upon me because I am Black,
because the sun hath looked upon me." Most people think this is a love story , but in reality this is
describing the relationship between God and his people.
Lets look at Acts 13:1 where the prophet was called Niger, which means black. Niger is the word
that nigger comes from. Also in Exodus 4:6 where Moses Hand turned leprous (as white as snow)
and Numbers 12:13 where Miriam, Moses sister, was turned white. Leviticus tells us that there are
two kinds of Leprosy, one is unclean leprosy, when there is raw or swallon skin in the flesh; the other
is clean leprosy when a person simply turns white all over. Now honestly ask yourself, why would a
white person get exited about turning white? But if a black person turns white, that"s something else!
Leviticus 13:12-13. Jeremiah 8:21 For the hurt of the daughter of my people am I hurt; I am Black;
astonishment hath taken hold on me. There are more scripture on color, and there are other thinngs
written concerning the true Israelities (Jews).
understand the story of Israel as it, still a present situation today.
Lets take a look at what paul wrote, Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people?
God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 11:2
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Theres also another point made about the true Jews. Lets go to Revelation 3:9 9 Behold, I will
make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold,
I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the
blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
We arrived at this conclusion by reasons such as the color of the Israelities (jews) of the
Bible,and most noteworthy, the Bad Treatment and Continuous Bad Conditions that were
prophesied to befall the real Israelites if they failed to keep the laws and commandments of
God. God promised the Israelites that if they failed to obey him,he would curse them and
eventually have them removed from their land and carried as slaves into every nation upon the
earth. Israel failed,and God kept his promise.
After the Israelites were remove from the land of Israel,it was left as an empty vacant lot,
with know inhabitants. Now,if one can understand that any land which has been emptied of its
rightful owners can be claimed by any nationality of people that have power or permission to
settle in and possess it, then it should also be easy to understand that nationality of people
which move in it and take over the land can assume (adopt) the culture,history,and even call
themself by the name of the people that the they have replaced. After a long period of years,
that nationality would be accepted by the rest of the world as being the original and rightful
inhabitants of that land. This would especially be true if the original people of the land had
been move by force,and carried off as slaves. Such is the case of the real Israelites (jews)!
When someone else is called by your named it is very easy to become lost and living in your
land,while you have been carted off into slavery and are called by whatever nation you are found.
After being in slavery for a long period of years,and throughout generations,it would be impossible
for your children to remember their history. How can they remember what they were never taught?
Black History (The Holy Bible) tells us that there were two sons born to Isaac and to Rebekah,
his wife. These two boys were struggling in their mother"s womb even before they were born,and
Rebekah asked the Lord why were they struggling. The Lord answered her,telling her that there
were two different nations and two different manner of people in her womb and that he would
seperate them at birth. (Gensis ch25:21-25).
When the oldest son was born, the Bible says he was red Hairy, and was given the name
Esau, but was later also called bye the name Edom. Thier youngest son was named Jacob,
with no reference made to his color. His name was later changed to Israel. The fact being
that emphasis was put on Esau"s appearance makes it very clear that God had made more
that just personality different between the two boy.
As these boys matured, there grew dislike between them because Esau claimed that Jacob
stole his birthright. Therefore, Esau vowed to kill Jacob. As they developed into nations down
through the generations, settling in different locations, (Jacob in the land of Israel, which was
named after him, and Esau in the land Edom, also called and known as Mt.Seir), the children
(descendants) of Esau were responsible for the death of many Israelities. Some time later, down
through generation, the children of Esau were able to take over the land of the children of Jacob,
and to claim that were the "Lost Tribes of Israel". After taking the name and the land of the true
Israelities, it was only a matter of time before the whole world accepted the childen of Esau as
being the lost tribes of israel,(which is presently the case). Mean while, the true Israelities are
still in captivity just as the Lord said they would be.
When Esau (the father of the Edomites) and Jacob ( the father of the jews) were born, the Bible
describes Esau as being "red and hairy". Later, in other scriptures, Jacob whose name was changed
to Israel, was compare to the Ethiopians-"Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children
of Israel, said the Lord?"(Amos 9:7). Ethiopia comes from the greek word Aithiop, which means
burn face/orskin. The different between "dark skin"and"red and hair" is quite distinct, and has not
changed down trought the generations.
Now lets us reason together, Understanding that Ethiopia comes from the Greek word Aithiop,
which means Burnt Face or Skin, lets look at a description of Jesus in revelation 1:14. "His head
and his hairs were like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as flame of fire", "and his feet like
fine brass, as if they were burned in a furnace." Any rational mined person would understand that
Jesus was not two colors, having a white head and a black or burnt (Aithiop) body. Reasoning will
also cause you to understand that his hair is white and woolly, and his body and skin is like the
Ethiopians (Burnt Skin).
Song of Solomon 1:5,6 in the Bible states; and I quote, "I am Black, but comely, O ye daughters
of Jerusalem, as the tents of kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Look not upon me because I am Black,
because the sun hath looked upon me." Most people think this is a love story , but in reality this is
describing the relationship between God and his people.
Lets look at Acts 13:1 where the prophet was called Niger, which means black. Niger is the word
that nigger comes from. Also in Exodus 4:6 where Moses Hand turned leprous (as white as snow)
and Numbers 12:13 where Miriam, Moses sister, was turned white. Leviticus tells us that there are
two kinds of Leprosy, one is unclean leprosy, when there is raw or swallon skin in the flesh; the other
is clean leprosy when a person simply turns white all over. Now honestly ask yourself, why would a
white person get exited about turning white? But if a black person turns white, that"s something else!
Leviticus 13:12-13. Jeremiah 8:21 For the hurt of the daughter of my people am I hurt; I am Black;
astonishment hath taken hold on me. There are more scripture on color, and there are other thinngs
written concerning the true Israelities (Jews).
THE REAL ISRAEL
The bible and world history not only prove that the Israelites are a black people, but a black people cursed by God. (Many will automatically claim that this is not important and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus and salvation. Well, the bible begs to differ. The Lord has set everything, including salvation, around his chosen people, Israel. This is why the bible speaks of Israel from Genesis to Revelation and though God is angry with them he still has not cast them away. Paul made this clear in Romans 11: 1,2 "...Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew..." So, Israel still plays an important part in God's will. This is why Jesus said, "...Salvation is of the Jews." "John 4:22".) God prophesied, that Israel would be cursed and forced to live in the worst of conditions because of their sins against him. These conditions include terrible slavery, lost of identity and constant oppression. There's only one group of people, a black people, that fit these conditions.
Part 2
The God of Israel (The God of the Bible) pronounced a sentence upon Israel. He told them that if they would not keep his laws and abide by his rules, he would curse them, telling them exactly what would befall them. Israel broke his laws and did not keep his rules, so the Lord cursed them as he said he would. (See Deuteronomy 28th chapter).
In the 28th chapter, it should be understood that a lot of these things happened over the course of many years, continuing down to our time. Because this curse was pronounces upon us when Israel first became a nation, many of these curses occurred before our time and we don't recognize some of them, but some we do. Those we recognize are the ones that we will point out.
The Lord said these curses will be upon us for a sign and wonder; (sign means to identify and wonder is to ask why). See Deuteronomy 28, verses 28-30: "the Lord shall smite thee with madness", meaning you will be constantly angry because of the conditions; "blindness", having no knowledge of your history and self; "astonishment of heart", meaning always greatly surprised and amazed at your condition; "thou shalt grope at noonday as the blind gropeth in darkness", meaning to feel about or search or seek with blindness, and not certain or don't know what you are looking for (as if you were looking for something in a dark place and had no light); "thou shall not prosper in thy ways; and thou shall be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee; thou shall betroth a wife and another man shall lie with her; thou shall build a house and thou shall not dwell therein; thou shalt plant vineyards and shalt not gather the grapes thereof", meaning you work, but someone else will reap the proceeds; "thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people and thine eyes shall look and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand", meaning your children will be sold and you will see them being sold by someone else and will not be able to do anything about it (remember Roots and "Slave Trading"); "the fruit of thy land and all thy labors shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up: and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway.....thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see."
Now just look around you, and look back at what happened to black people and what is happening to black people. Now, are blacks getting a fair chance, or equal opportunity to excel as the whites or the so-called Jews? Why is it that the so-called Jews are granted immediate citizenship when they migrate from other parts of the world? Why is it that any other nationality or race of people is accepted into this country, granted citizenship, and is exempted from paying taxes for a set period of years?
The latest, among the foreigners that were granted this luxury are the Cubans, which are mostly Castilian, but the Haitians from the island of Haiti, which are blacks (part of the lost tribes of Israel) were caged up like animals and sent back to their oppression. Also, consider the poor blacks here, (being that the majority of blacks are worse off than a lot of immigrants), who were brought here against their will. Why aren't blacks exempted from paying taxes for the same period of years? Why aren't blacks compensated for how their ancestors were treated in the past?
Have you ever wondered about these things? Surely you can't say it's because blacks are equally treated as the white American born citizens. Have you ever wondered why there are places like Haiti, Jamaica, South America and the Bahamas? Did you know that all of those places were slave camps, and that blacks were carried there to work and to produce while the whites reaped the proceeds! The Bible prophesied this concerning Israel/Jews Black Americans and blacks from the above mentioned slave camps must be Israelites then!
The latest, among the foreigners that were granted this luxury are the Cubans, which are mostly Castilian, but the Haitians from the island of Haiti, which are blacks (part of the lost tribes of Israel) were caged up like animals and sent back to their oppression. Also, consider the poor blacks here, (being that the majority of blacks are worse off than a lot of immigrants), who were brought here against their will. Why aren't blacks exempted from paying taxes for the same period of years? Why aren't blacks compensated for how their ancestors were treated in the past?
Have you ever wondered about these things? Surely you can't say it's because blacks are equally treated as the white American born citizens. Have you ever wondered why there are places like Haiti, Jamaica, South America and the Bahamas? Did you know that all of those places were slave camps, and that blacks were carried there to work and to produce while the whites reaped the proceeds! The Bible prophesied this concerning Israel/Jews Black Americans and blacks from the above mentioned slave camps must be Israelites then!
Hi Bro-Tan
I have never heard your line of reasoning before. I wonder if there is any evidence in history that the "true" Jewish people were black? I would have thought that there would be historical accounts if this were the case but maybe they have been over looked?
What I do know is that racism and the bad treatment of coloured people is something very very wrong. I am glad that Christians in the 19 Century worked tirelessly to stop the slave trade, this was a terrible injustice. It saddens me to think that there is still inequality and prejudice. I believe that in heaven there will be no difference as it says this in Galatians 3
26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
As Christians I think we should also stand up against injustice, but in an unjust world this can be hard and sometimes I feel discouraged. I have seen my MP here in Aus to ask that the Australian government give more money to people living in poverty and at times I try and buy free trade coffee so that the poor aren't getting ripped off so that I can indulge mself.
But I really don't know if what you're saying is right. I mean, I don't think those pictures we see of Jesus as a fair skinned, blond, blue eyed guys are correct... I think Jesus was probably very middle Eastern looking. Then again, we are all made in the image of God, which is an awesome thing don't you think?
God bless you and take care x
I have never heard your line of reasoning before. I wonder if there is any evidence in history that the "true" Jewish people were black? I would have thought that there would be historical accounts if this were the case but maybe they have been over looked?
What I do know is that racism and the bad treatment of coloured people is something very very wrong. I am glad that Christians in the 19 Century worked tirelessly to stop the slave trade, this was a terrible injustice. It saddens me to think that there is still inequality and prejudice. I believe that in heaven there will be no difference as it says this in Galatians 3
26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
As Christians I think we should also stand up against injustice, but in an unjust world this can be hard and sometimes I feel discouraged. I have seen my MP here in Aus to ask that the Australian government give more money to people living in poverty and at times I try and buy free trade coffee so that the poor aren't getting ripped off so that I can indulge mself.
But I really don't know if what you're saying is right. I mean, I don't think those pictures we see of Jesus as a fair skinned, blond, blue eyed guys are correct... I think Jesus was probably very middle Eastern looking. Then again, we are all made in the image of God, which is an awesome thing don't you think?
God bless you and take care x
QUOTE
Are The True Israelities Black People?
Well, let's look at what Jesus did.
Jesus..
Called everyone "brother"
Loved "Gospel"
And, couldn't get a fair trial
Heck, I guess he could have been black LOL!
I think a few others here would disagree with you though, LOL.
Lol.
QUOTE (researcher @ Aug 27 2008, 06:20 PM)
QUOTE
Are The True Israelities Black People?
Well, let's look at what Jesus did.
Jesus..
Called everyone "brother"
Loved "Gospel"
And, couldn't get a fair trial
Heck, I guess he could have been black LOL!
I think a few others here would disagree with you though, LOL.
Lol.Research, I have to say you guess right.
QUOTE (+Shine4Him+ @ Aug 27 2008, 12:42 AM)
Hi Bro-Tan
I have never heard your line of reasoning before. I wonder if there is any evidence in history that the "true" Jewish people were black? I would have thought that there would be historical accounts if this were the case but maybe they have been over looked?
What I do know is that racism and the bad treatment of coloured people is something very very wrong. I am glad that Christians in the 19 Century worked tirelessly to stop the slave trade, this was a terrible injustice. It saddens me to think that there is still inequality and prejudice. I believe that in heaven there will be no difference as it says this in Galatians 3
26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
As Christians I think we should also stand up against injustice, but in an unjust world this can be hard and sometimes I feel discouraged. I have seen my MP here in Aus to ask that the Australian government give more money to people living in poverty and at times I try and buy free trade coffee so that the poor aren't getting ripped off so that I can indulge mself.
But I really don't know if what you're saying is right. I mean, I don't think those pictures we see of Jesus as a fair skinned, blond, blue eyed guys are correct... I think Jesus was probably very middle Eastern looking. Then again, we are all made in the image of God, which is an awesome thing don't you think?
God bless you and take care x
I have never heard your line of reasoning before. I wonder if there is any evidence in history that the "true" Jewish people were black? I would have thought that there would be historical accounts if this were the case but maybe they have been over looked?
What I do know is that racism and the bad treatment of coloured people is something very very wrong. I am glad that Christians in the 19 Century worked tirelessly to stop the slave trade, this was a terrible injustice. It saddens me to think that there is still inequality and prejudice. I believe that in heaven there will be no difference as it says this in Galatians 3
26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
As Christians I think we should also stand up against injustice, but in an unjust world this can be hard and sometimes I feel discouraged. I have seen my MP here in Aus to ask that the Australian government give more money to people living in poverty and at times I try and buy free trade coffee so that the poor aren't getting ripped off so that I can indulge mself.
But I really don't know if what you're saying is right. I mean, I don't think those pictures we see of Jesus as a fair skinned, blond, blue eyed guys are correct... I think Jesus was probably very middle Eastern looking. Then again, we are all made in the image of God, which is an awesome thing don't you think?
God bless you and take care x
Lets go into a little Biblical History, shine4him.
When slavery was abolished (chattel slavery), black people assumed self rule after their masters were forced to release them Either blacks did not know their real home, or did not have the means to return. If they did know, they did not have any army or the power to kick out the foreigners that possessed their land. See Deuteronomy 28: 36-37. "The Lord shall bring thee and thy king unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known and there shall thou serve other gods, wood and stone", (gods which are not backed up with the Bible, and holy days, such as Easter and Christmas, of which the Bible makes no mention as holy to God); And thou shalt become an astonishment" (a great surprise and amazement to other races of people around you); " a proverb" (a short wise saying used for a long time by many people, a well known case); In our case, blacks have been called for a long time, names such as nigger, coon, shine, john, boy, lazy, smelly, nasty, etc.; "and a byword " (an object of contempt, a thing scorned, and a common saying). Now ask, are blacks scorned? Are we a common conversation, such as... Those niggers this, and those niggers that? Are blacks people (objects) of contempt? Who cares for black rights? Who tries to help blacks without wanting to use them for their own personal gain/goal?
What harm have blackss done to organizations such as the Ku-Klux-Klan, to any of the majority of whites, or to other nationalities for them to hate blacks so? Why are blacks disliked and scorned and in some cases assaulted for asking for the smallest civil rights that whites are born with, and foreigners are given, with help, when they migrate to this or any other country? It's a case of: if blacks do wrong they are damned, and if blacks do right they are damned. I thank God that I know the whole truth of the matter, and that there is an appointed end. Because if salvation was the way it's being taught in most churches, if their was no knowledge of God's true plan, and of this temporary curse that is upon the blacks (the real Israelites/Jew), then I could understand why some people stay drunk, take drugs, or use other means of trying to blind themselves to the reality of their true and unchangeable condition. In some cases, death would be more merciful.
Deuteronomy 28:41, Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shall not enjoy them, for they shall go into captivity" (slavery). Vs.43, "The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high, and thou shalt come down very low"; (which is to say that all of the people that were among the Israelites, but not Israelites themselves, are going to excel while the Israelites fall to the bottom). "He shall lend to thee, (Vs.44), and thou shalt not lend to him; he shall be the head and thou shall be the tail". Now consider what this is saying. Can blacks as a people lend money to anyone? Where are our big corporations? Where are our big chain businesses? Where are our banks? Now consider the people called Jews, who the world has accepted as being Jews. Do they have big corporations, chain businesses, and banks?
For a people that are supposed to be poor and not able to loan money, those people that the world knows as Jews are doing pretty well. In fact, there used to be a household saying among black families on payday - "I got to go pay those Jews". Either these people are not the real Jew of the Bible, or the Bible is grossly misprinted. Consider the scriptures and judge for yourself.
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Aug 27 2008, 07:02 PM)
QUOTE (+Shine4Him+ @ Aug 27 2008, 12:42 AM)
Hi Bro-Tan
I have never heard your line of reasoning before. I wonder if there is any evidence in history that the "true" Jewish people were black? I would have thought that there would be historical accounts if this were the case but maybe they have been over looked?
What I do know is that racism and the bad treatment of coloured people is something very very wrong. I am glad that Christians in the 19 Century worked tirelessly to stop the slave trade, this was a terrible injustice. It saddens me to think that there is still inequality and prejudice. I believe that in heaven there will be no difference as it says this in Galatians 3
26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
As Christians I think we should also stand up against injustice, but in an unjust world this can be hard and sometimes I feel discouraged. I have seen my MP here in Aus to ask that the Australian government give more money to people living in poverty and at times I try and buy free trade coffee so that the poor aren't getting ripped off so that I can indulge mself.
But I really don't know if what you're saying is right. I mean, I don't think those pictures we see of Jesus as a fair skinned, blond, blue eyed guys are correct... I think Jesus was probably very middle Eastern looking. Then again, we are all made in the image of God, which is an awesome thing don't you think?
God bless you and take care x
I have never heard your line of reasoning before. I wonder if there is any evidence in history that the "true" Jewish people were black? I would have thought that there would be historical accounts if this were the case but maybe they have been over looked?
What I do know is that racism and the bad treatment of coloured people is something very very wrong. I am glad that Christians in the 19 Century worked tirelessly to stop the slave trade, this was a terrible injustice. It saddens me to think that there is still inequality and prejudice. I believe that in heaven there will be no difference as it says this in Galatians 3
26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
As Christians I think we should also stand up against injustice, but in an unjust world this can be hard and sometimes I feel discouraged. I have seen my MP here in Aus to ask that the Australian government give more money to people living in poverty and at times I try and buy free trade coffee so that the poor aren't getting ripped off so that I can indulge mself.
But I really don't know if what you're saying is right. I mean, I don't think those pictures we see of Jesus as a fair skinned, blond, blue eyed guys are correct... I think Jesus was probably very middle Eastern looking. Then again, we are all made in the image of God, which is an awesome thing don't you think?
God bless you and take care x
Lets go into a little Biblical History, shine4him.
When slavery was abolished (chattel slavery), black people assumed self rule after their masters were forced to release them Either blacks did not know their real home, or did not have the means to return. If they did know, they did not have any army or the power to kick out the foreigners that possessed their land. See Deuteronomy 28: 36-37. "The Lord shall bring thee and thy king unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known and there shall thou serve other gods, wood and stone", (gods which are not backed up with the Bible, and holy days, such as Easter and Christmas, of which the Bible makes no mention as holy to God); And thou shalt become an astonishment" (a great surprise and amazement to other races of people around you); " a proverb" (a short wise saying used for a long time by many people, a well known case); In our case, blacks have been called for a long time, names such as nigger, coon, shine, john, boy, lazy, smelly, nasty, etc.; "and a byword " (an object of contempt, a thing scorned, and a common saying). Now ask, are blacks scorned? Are we a common conversation, such as... Those niggers this, and those niggers that? Are blacks people (objects) of contempt? Who cares for black rights? Who tries to help blacks without wanting to use them for their own personal gain/goal?
What harm have blackss done to organizations such as the Ku-Klux-Klan, to any of the majority of whites, or to other nationalities for them to hate blacks so? Why are blacks disliked and scorned and in some cases assaulted for asking for the smallest civil rights that whites are born with, and foreigners are given, with help, when they migrate to this or any other country? It's a case of: if blacks do wrong they are damned, and if blacks do right they are damned. I thank God that I know the whole truth of the matter, and that there is an appointed end. Because if salvation was the way it's being taught in most churches, if their was no knowledge of God's true plan, and of this temporary curse that is upon the blacks (the real Israelites/Jew), then I could understand why some people stay drunk, take drugs, or use other means of trying to blind themselves to the reality of their true and unchangeable condition. In some cases, death would be more merciful.
Deuteronomy 28:41, Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shall not enjoy them, for they shall go into captivity" (slavery). Vs.43, "The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high, and thou shalt come down very low"; (which is to say that all of the people that were among the Israelites, but not Israelites themselves, are going to excel while the Israelites fall to the bottom). "He shall lend to thee, (Vs.44), and thou shalt not lend to him; he shall be the head and thou shall be the tail". Now consider what this is saying. Can blacks as a people lend money to anyone? Where are our big corporations? Where are our big chain businesses? Where are our banks? Now consider the people called Jews, who the world has accepted as being Jews. Do they have big corporations, chain businesses, and banks?
For a people that are supposed to be poor and not able to loan money, those people that the world knows as Jews are doing pretty well. In fact, there used to be a household saying among black families on payday - "I got to go pay those Jews". Either these people are not the real Jew of the Bible, or the Bible is grossly misprinted. Consider the scriptures and judge for yourself.
As we continue, see Joel 3:1, "For behold, in those days and at that time when I shall bring again the captivity (captives) of Judah and Jerusalem (Israelites/Jews), Vs.2 , I will also gather all nations, and bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my (land of Israel), Vs.3, and they have cast lots for my people and given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink, Vs. 4. What have you to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coast of Palestine (Middle East)? Will you render me a recompense (pay me back/repay me)? And if you recompense (repay) me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompense upon your own head, Vs. 5, Because you have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things, Vs. 6.
The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem Israelites) have ye sold unto the Grecians (Greeks), that you might remove them far from their border".
In Joel 3:1-3, the Lord is speaking of the time when he will return the real Jews to their own Country. Vs. 2 is saying that at the same time the Lord will gather all nations in one place to plead with them (do battle) because of what they have done to the real Jews- because they have captured and sold them (the real Jews), and the whole coast of Palestine/ Middle East have taken their possessions, and divided the Jews' land among themselves. In Vs.3 and 4 the Lord is telling all of these nations that whatever they would repay him, it is not enough for what they have done to his people.
Therefore, if they try to repay him, he will return it upon their own head. Why? Because the nations (all nations) have taken the real Jews and cast lots for them (bided for them/or auctioned them off like animals), and given a boy for an harlot (men traded or gave slave boys instead of money in payment to sleep with a prostitute), and sold a slave girl for wine (traded a young girl for some liquor). Vs. 5 and 6. The nations have taken valuables and riches of the real Jews and carried them into their own temples, and have taken the Jews themselves and sold them to the sons of the Greeks, and to other nations, and removed them far from their own.
In general, absolutely not, Blacks are not Jew. Jews are olive colored usually. Though, during Solomon's reign he may have had half black children with the queen of Ethiiopia; some speculate this. Who knows.
QUOTE (Gideon7620 @ Aug 27 2008, 07:20 PM)
In general, absolutely not, Blacks are not Jew. Jews are olive colored usually. Though, during Solomon's reign he may have had half black children with the queen of Ethiiopia; some speculate this. Who knows.
Gideon, I don't think you read the post, to well. The man lay the seed, not the woman.
Lets continue in Zechariah 11:4, "Thus saith the Lord my God; Feed the flock of the slaughter, Vs. 5, whose possessors slay them and hold themselves not guilty; and they that sell them say, blessed be the Lord, for I am rich; and their own shepherds pity them not."This scripture is very clear, and lets you know that whosoever owned the real Jews would kill them if they felt like it, and wouldn't think that they had done anything wrong (for instance: Kill an old slave that couldn't work anymore, or one that they thought was rebellious, or one whose will they could not break).
Historically, the various hate groups didn't feel that they were wrong when they burned crosses in front of blacks' homes, hung them, or castrated and maimed them for sport. Even in these modern days, who cares if a young or old black is shot by a white person, or another black for that matter? Who cares how many black women get raped or how many blacks are killed by police officers? No real investigations are made to find the true criminal or the reason why.
Just read the statistics and you will find that the highest mortality rate in the nation is among young Black males. Or look at the sympathy that Cubans and other non-black immigrants get when entering this country. Then look at the non-sympathetic help that Haitians (blacks) get when they are fleeing into this country to escape oppression and death. I could write page upon page concerning the guiltless feelings of people who kill blacks (so-called Negroes or African-Americans).
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Aug 28 2008, 07:34 PM)
Lets continue in Zechariah 11:4, "Thus saith the Lord my God; Feed the flock of the slaughter, Vs. 5, whose possessors slay them and hold themselves not guilty; and they that sell them say, blessed be the Lord, for I am rich; and their own shepherds pity them not."This scripture is very clear, and lets you know that whosoever owned the real Jews would kill them if they felt like it, and wouldn't think that they had done anything wrong (for instance: Kill an old slave that couldn't work anymore, or one that they thought was rebellious, or one whose will they could not break).
Historically, the various hate groups didn't feel that they were wrong when they burned crosses in front of blacks' homes, hung them, or castrated and maimed them for sport. Even in these modern days, who cares if a young or old black is shot by a white person, or another black for that matter? Who cares how many black women get raped or how many blacks are killed by police officers? No real investigations are made to find the true criminal or the reason why.
Just read the statistics and you will find that the highest mortality rate in the nation is among young Black males. Or look at the sympathy that Cubans and other non-black immigrants get when entering this country. Then look at the non-sympathetic help that Haitians (blacks) get when they are fleeing into this country to escape oppression and death. I could write page upon page concerning the guiltless feelings of people who kill blacks (so-called Negroes or African-Americans).
Historically, the various hate groups didn't feel that they were wrong when they burned crosses in front of blacks' homes, hung them, or castrated and maimed them for sport. Even in these modern days, who cares if a young or old black is shot by a white person, or another black for that matter? Who cares how many black women get raped or how many blacks are killed by police officers? No real investigations are made to find the true criminal or the reason why.
Just read the statistics and you will find that the highest mortality rate in the nation is among young Black males. Or look at the sympathy that Cubans and other non-black immigrants get when entering this country. Then look at the non-sympathetic help that Haitians (blacks) get when they are fleeing into this country to escape oppression and death. I could write page upon page concerning the guiltless feelings of people who kill blacks (so-called Negroes or African-Americans).
The heart of this thread is not about biblical understanding. In fact it is nothing more than a racial bias.
The word "black" in those scriptures is nothing more than dark, very dark red. In fact, the word "black" means nothing more than "dark". In fact, the word "dark" should have been translated instead of the word "black". The Hebrew word - "shecharchoreth" means - very brown, or brownish. The word "black" in Job 30:30 means "brown" burned by the sun, which makes "brown" look darker. All the colors of mankind are shades of red.
Even in I Kings 18:45 it states that the heavens were black, which means "darkened" - Hebrew word - "qadar"
Do your research before you make such claims !
IN Christ - MM
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Aug 29 2008, 07:51 AM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Aug 28 2008, 07:34 PM)
Lets continue in Zechariah 11:4, "Thus saith the Lord my God; Feed the flock of the slaughter, Vs. 5, whose possessors slay them and hold themselves not guilty; and they that sell them say, blessed be the Lord, for I am rich; and their own shepherds pity them not."This scripture is very clear, and lets you know that whosoever owned the real Jews would kill them if they felt like it, and wouldn't think that they had done anything wrong (for instance: Kill an old slave that couldn't work anymore, or one that they thought was rebellious, or one whose will they could not break).
Historically, the various hate groups didn't feel that they were wrong when they burned crosses in front of blacks' homes, hung them, or castrated and maimed them for sport. Even in these modern days, who cares if a young or old black is shot by a white person, or another black for that matter? Who cares how many black women get raped or how many blacks are killed by police officers? No real investigations are made to find the true criminal or the reason why.
Just read the statistics and you will find that the highest mortality rate in the nation is among young Black males. Or look at the sympathy that Cubans and other non-black immigrants get when entering this country. Then look at the non-sympathetic help that Haitians (blacks) get when they are fleeing into this country to escape oppression and death. I could write page upon page concerning the guiltless feelings of people who kill blacks (so-called Negroes or African-Americans).
Historically, the various hate groups didn't feel that they were wrong when they burned crosses in front of blacks' homes, hung them, or castrated and maimed them for sport. Even in these modern days, who cares if a young or old black is shot by a white person, or another black for that matter? Who cares how many black women get raped or how many blacks are killed by police officers? No real investigations are made to find the true criminal or the reason why.
Just read the statistics and you will find that the highest mortality rate in the nation is among young Black males. Or look at the sympathy that Cubans and other non-black immigrants get when entering this country. Then look at the non-sympathetic help that Haitians (blacks) get when they are fleeing into this country to escape oppression and death. I could write page upon page concerning the guiltless feelings of people who kill blacks (so-called Negroes or African-Americans).
The heart of this thread is not about biblical understanding. In fact it is nothing more than a racial bias.
The word "black" in those scriptures is nothing more than dark, very dark red. In fact, the word "black" means nothing more than "dark". In fact, the word "dark" should have been translated instead of the word "black". The Hebrew word - "shecharchoreth" means - very brown, or brownish. The word "black" in Job 30:30 means "brown" burned by the sun, which makes "brown" look darker. All the colors of mankind are shades of red.
Even in I Kings 18:45 it states that the heavens were black, which means "darkened" - Hebrew word - "qadar"
Do your research before you make such claims !
IN Christ - MM
I wonder if you really read from the beginning, or did you just read a little piece. This have nothing to do with racial bias.
I know if you really took the time and read the whole articles, you have more understanding. Israel did not keep God
commandments, so the Lord put a curse on Israel. The curse the Lord put on Israel, became races, but thats not the piont of this discussion. The point is so you can understand who Israel is in the bible and who Israel is, on the earth.
After the Lord flooded the earth, there only remain Noah, and his son"s Shem, Ham,
Japheth, and there wives. Everybody thats on plantet earth that is a human, came out
of one, of Noah"s son. Now, on your own you have to do a little homework, and break
down these names of people and races. I want people to understand that these are
just Biblical facts. This is just history, this is the beginning of when the Lord brought different race of
people in existence.
Lets go to Genesis 10: Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. 10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. 10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. 10:7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan. 10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
21 Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born. 10:22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram. 10:23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash. 10:24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber. 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan. 10:26 And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazar-maveth, and Jerah, 10:27 And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah, 10:28 And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba, 10:29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan. 10:30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east. 10:31
These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations. 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.
Get an Encylopdia or go to the library, and look them up for your self. Read for yourself people.
The races did not come about because of a curse from God upon Israel !!! <-- This fact ends your theory !!
So , only Israelites are of the races ? ha ha
Or is it, that all races are only Israelites ? ha ha
IN Christ - MM
So , only Israelites are of the races ? ha ha
Or is it, that all races are only Israelites ? ha ha
IN Christ - MM
I have to agree with Mysteryman. No matter what the ancient Hebrew ethnicity may have originally been, when reapplied within a modern context the “Authentic Jewish Movement” runs the risk of entering the realm of “Black Jewish Supremacy” and ethno-centricism, which Christians should not be caught dead supporting, for it is incongruent to the ideals and principles of Redemption in Christ where the “old man” is transformed into a new race-less species, becoming ONE under Christ. The radical “Black Hebrew Israelites” (BHI) is one such example of this extreme viewpoint having emerged. The True Christian is never race or skin-color focused, and is never to receive their “identity” from their ethnos and skin color, being a form of “ethno-narcissism”; and unfortunately most (not all) Blacks suffer from this neurosis in the form of a "collective Afro-centricism", often where their race supersedes Christ. I personally witnessed this in a dramatic demonstration during the 1992 South-Central L.A. Riots when my Black Christian friends threw Jesus out the window in favor for their skin color. Needless to say, I was appalled of their audacity.
SEE: http://www.segag.org/hateinfo/frbhi.html
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SEE: http://www.segag.org/hateinfo/frbhi.html
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QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Aug 30 2008, 04:51 AM)
The races did not come about because of a curse from God upon Israel !!! <-- This fact ends your theory !!
So , only Israelites are of the races ? ha ha
Or is it, that all races are only Israelites ? ha ha
IN Christ - MM
So , only Israelites are of the races ? ha ha
Or is it, that all races are only Israelites ? ha ha
IN Christ - MM
What ground prove do you have, that what I'm saying is not correct.
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Aug 30 2008, 08:14 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Aug 30 2008, 04:51 AM)
The races did not come about because of a curse from God upon Israel !!! <-- This fact ends your theory !!
So , only Israelites are of the races ? ha ha
Or is it, that all races are only Israelites ? ha ha
IN Christ - MM
So , only Israelites are of the races ? ha ha
Or is it, that all races are only Israelites ? ha ha
IN Christ - MM
What ground prove do you have, that what I'm saying is not correct.
Bro
I do not have to defend your theory, you do ! And you can't !
All of mankind came from Adam , the first man, and God made him from the dust of the earth. This was red dust, because the word red means "adam" in Hebrew.
All of mankind are shades of red , from the one man Adam, and were made "adam" (red).
First and foremost, there are no races . Second , God made mankind shades of red for a purpose. One of them is to confound the foolish !! Third, there is no curse upon Israel that caused races ! You would have to stretch your rubber band theory 500 miles without it breaking, and that will never happen !
Don't ask me to prove to your theory. This theory is something I totally disagree with. You prove it !! And I already know -- You can't !!
The only place in the Word of God that the word "race" is used, is to "run" or "compete" -- Absolutely nothing to do with color, or shades of color or black, or dark ! Since there is no such word in the Word to discribe your theory, you fail miserably in any attempt to do so !
IN Christ - Christ IN -- MM
QUOTE (THE SEVEN THUNDERS @ Aug 30 2008, 05:39 AM)
I have to agree with Mysteryman. No matter what the ancient Hebrew ethnicity may have originally been, when reapplied within a modern context the “Authentic Jewish Movement” runs the risk of entering the realm of “Black Jewish Supremacy” and ethno-centricism, which Christians should not be caught dead supporting, for it is incongruent to the ideals and principles of Redemption in Christ where the “old man” is transformed into a new race-less species, becoming ONE under Christ. The radical “Black Hebrew Israelites” (BHI) is one such example of this extreme viewpoint having emerged. The True Christian is never race or skin-color focused, and is never to receive their “identity” from their ethnos and skin color, being a form of “ethno-narcissism”; and unfortunately most (not all) Blacks suffer from this neurosis in the form of a "collective Afro-centricism", often where their race supersedes Christ. I personally witnessed this in a dramatic demonstration during the 1992 South-Central L.A. Riots when my Black Christian friends threw Jesus out the window in favor for their skin color. Needless to say, I was appalled of their audacity.
SEE: http://www.segag.org/hateinfo/frbhi.html
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SEE: http://www.segag.org/hateinfo/frbhi.html
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I read your comment, I think that you should take the time and read the whole topic, cause I think
you may have a little understanding. Remember, this is not about race, this is just facts in the Bible.
The whole Bible is about Israel, it starts with Israel, then the rest of the sons of adam.
Let go to....Roman 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Let go to Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew
Israel is still in captivity, living among us now, and they are black people. They come out of shem, not
Ham. Ham, also is the father of other black nation. Its sad people understanding is limited.
Deuteronomy 28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
28:47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
28:48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
28:49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
What other people did this happen to? You agree with a person with no knowledge and understanding, now
what do that say about you. What nation of people got a yoke of iron upon thy neck? Was it your nation of
people where you come from. It wasn't Ham's seed.
Deuteronomy 28:41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
What about this one....get your history book, who did this happan to.
Look at what the Lord say about this one...Joel 3: 3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
Remember this one, if you don't, then you must be young. Get out the history books. All of this is, for me to, make a point. Israel are black people and they use to deal with these types of treatment. God put this on Israel, cause they kept not his commandment, the scriptures just prove it.
The Bible tells us that the Israelites (real Jews) would be incarcerated (in prison) in great numbers, see Isaiah 42:22-23, "But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, restore." Now ask yourself what people do you know that is a minority in the country but a majority in the penal institution (jail)? Even the Lord wanted to know who in the future would see this kind of condition and recognize that this is talking about the real Israelites (blacks). Vs. 23, "who among you will give ear to this? Who will hearken and hear for the time to come?"
Well, I would agree that the indigenous peoples (Adam and his descendants) were a people of color, Brown, black, whatever. For you cannot get color or pigment from the absence of color. But you can get white or even albino from the darkest African who is so black he is blue.
I do believe that the scripture supports a darker appearing Israelite than what you see in the "Jewish" people for the most part. But the prophecy of Jacob by Baalim in Numbers declared that " he shall pour out of his buckets and his seed shall be in many waters". The word "race" is not a biblical term. It never has been. The Bible always speaks in terms of nations or tribes. I have often said that white skin looks more like the curse of leporsy than black skin. I am white so I am sure I will get a few raised eyebrows. There is no doubt that at one time the "Black" man ruled the world. Now its the white man's time. Finally it will be the Right man's time. Israel, Ishmael, Edom, Midian, Moab, Ammon were all Semitic peoples, descending from the same line of Adam's son Seth. Job or Jobab, was an Edomite, a son of Issac and yet his grave is traditionally given to be in modern day Yemen. Perhaps the Hyskos or Edomite shepard kings ventured that far south in their conquests which included Egypt between the 12th and 17th Dynastys. If this is so then Job could have been a man of exceptionally dark complexion given the modern day people of that area.
One thing that we are all going to have to reckon with is that Israel black or otherwise did turn his back on God and The white peoples or Gentiles are repeating this same folly to the extent of making the idolatry of Israel look like a childish oversight.
Unless we repent we will all end up white. Because white is the final color of a man after he has been incinerated.
I do believe that the scripture supports a darker appearing Israelite than what you see in the "Jewish" people for the most part. But the prophecy of Jacob by Baalim in Numbers declared that " he shall pour out of his buckets and his seed shall be in many waters". The word "race" is not a biblical term. It never has been. The Bible always speaks in terms of nations or tribes. I have often said that white skin looks more like the curse of leporsy than black skin. I am white so I am sure I will get a few raised eyebrows. There is no doubt that at one time the "Black" man ruled the world. Now its the white man's time. Finally it will be the Right man's time. Israel, Ishmael, Edom, Midian, Moab, Ammon were all Semitic peoples, descending from the same line of Adam's son Seth. Job or Jobab, was an Edomite, a son of Issac and yet his grave is traditionally given to be in modern day Yemen. Perhaps the Hyskos or Edomite shepard kings ventured that far south in their conquests which included Egypt between the 12th and 17th Dynastys. If this is so then Job could have been a man of exceptionally dark complexion given the modern day people of that area.
One thing that we are all going to have to reckon with is that Israel black or otherwise did turn his back on God and The white peoples or Gentiles are repeating this same folly to the extent of making the idolatry of Israel look like a childish oversight.
Unless we repent we will all end up white. Because white is the final color of a man after he has been incinerated.
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Aug 30 2008, 10:49 PM)
QUOTE (THE SEVEN THUNDERS @ Aug 30 2008, 05:39 AM)
I have to agree with Mysteryman. No matter what the ancient Hebrew ethnicity may have originally been, when reapplied within a modern context the “Authentic Jewish Movement” runs the risk of entering the realm of “Black Jewish Supremacy” and ethno-centricism, which Christians should not be caught dead supporting, for it is incongruent to the ideals and principles of Redemption in Christ where the “old man” is transformed into a new race-less species, becoming ONE under Christ. The radical “Black Hebrew Israelites” (BHI) is one such example of this extreme viewpoint having emerged. The True Christian is never race or skin-color focused, and is never to receive their “identity” from their ethnos and skin color, being a form of “ethno-narcissism”; and unfortunately most (not all) Blacks suffer from this neurosis in the form of a "collective Afro-centricism", often where their race supersedes Christ. I personally witnessed this in a dramatic demonstration during the 1992 South-Central L.A. Riots when my Black Christian friends threw Jesus out the window in favor for their skin color. Needless to say, I was appalled of their audacity.
SEE: http://www.segag.org/hateinfo/frbhi.html
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SEE: http://www.segag.org/hateinfo/frbhi.html
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I read your comment, I think that you should take the time and read the whole topic, cause I think
you may have a little understanding. Remember, this is not about race, this is just facts in the Bible.
The whole Bible is about Israel, it starts with Israel, then the rest of the sons of adam.
Let go to....Roman 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Let go to Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew
Israel is still in captivity, living among us now, and they are black people. They come out of shem, not
Ham. Ham, also is the father of other black nation. Its sad people understanding is limited.
Deuteronomy 28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
28:47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
28:48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
28:49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
What other people did this happen to? You agree with a person with no knowledge and understanding, now
what do that say about you. What nation of people got a yoke of iron upon thy neck? Was it your nation of
people where you come from. It wasn't Ham's seed.
Deuteronomy 28:41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
What about this one....get your history book, who did this happan to.
Look at what the Lord say about this one...Joel 3: 3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
Remember this one, if you don't, then you must be young. Get out the history books. All of this is, for me to, make a point. Israel are black people and they use to deal with these types of treatment. God put this on Israel, cause they kept not his commandment, the scriptures just prove it.
Well, I happen to be of Jewish descent from the 10th Tribe of the Zebulunites; Zebulun is my hereditary patriarch, the 10th son of Jacob (Israel) and the 6th son of Leah, Rachel's sister. In fact, my last name reflects this, translating into "six and ten" or "sixteen", which in ancient Hebrew is the name "Sheshasar" ("six and ten"), being the name of one of Zebulun’s grandsons, so named to honor Zebulun and his birth order. The Zebulunites were one of the scattered Tribes of Israel during the Diaspora. Our modern names are split into two branches, the Seixas (the eastern Greek spelling) and also the Seicas (the western Latin spelling due to the Spanish Inquisition 500 years ago when many of my relatives were "in the name of God" horrifically tortured, killed and their wealth confiscated by the Roman Catholic Church as heretics for their Jewish faith, being the branch that stayed in Portugal after 1492 and did not take refuge in Amsterdam or London as the Seixas did so). Originally, my ancestors settled on the Iberian Peninsula in Portugal in a seaport village they established in antiquity, named Seixal, meaning “suitable place for the Seixas” on the south side of the Tagus Estuary across from Lisbon after fleeing from the Assyrians. Thus, my immediate family is Sephardic Jews from Portugal, and some are descendents from forced "Conversos" to Catholicism (during the Spanish Inquisition). Technically, I am a Sephardic Messianic Jew, having accepted Christ Jesus as my Savior, yet I am a Christian.
And so, I can completely assure you with absoltutely great certitude that none of us are Black Africans, far from it. So, unfortunately, there goes your peculiar theory out the window.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebulun
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp...S&artid=447
http://www.fau.edu/library/brody2.htm
http://www.tzemachdovid.org/gedolim/jo/tpe...ity/seixas.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gershom_Mendes_Seixas
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QUOTE
When someone else is called by your named it is very easy to become lost and living in your
land,while you have been carted off into slavery and are called by whatever nation you are found.
After being in slavery for a long period of years,and throughout generations,it would be impossible
for your children to remember their history. How can they remember what they were never taught?
Black History (The Holy Bible) tells us that there were two sons born to Isaac and to Rebekah,
his wife.
land,while you have been carted off into slavery and are called by whatever nation you are found.
After being in slavery for a long period of years,and throughout generations,it would be impossible
for your children to remember their history. How can they remember what they were never taught?
Black History (The Holy Bible) tells us that there were two sons born to Isaac and to Rebekah,
his wife.
Anthroplogist see various cultures around the globe that they have been studying. They see certain practice that seem to originate from the Hebrew culture.
Even though Wikipedia is not considered a valid form of information due to the fact it can be altered....
This was interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes
And Seven....dear Seven...
There is no way you can tell what lineage you are from when it pertains to the Jews. ONLY the Priestly tribe of the Cohen are able to check their blood lineage now. Nobody else.
QUOTE (THE SEVEN THUNDERS @ Sep 2 2008, 04:18 AM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Aug 30 2008, 10:49 PM)
QUOTE (THE SEVEN THUNDERS @ Aug 30 2008, 05:39 AM)
I have to agree with Mysteryman. No matter what the ancient Hebrew ethnicity may have originally been, when reapplied within a modern context the “Authentic Jewish Movement” runs the risk of entering the realm of “Black Jewish Supremacy” and ethno-centricism, which Christians should not be caught dead supporting, for it is incongruent to the ideals and principles of Redemption in Christ where the “old man” is transformed into a new race-less species, becoming ONE under Christ. The radical “Black Hebrew Israelites” (BHI) is one such example of this extreme viewpoint having emerged. The True Christian is never race or skin-color focused, and is never to receive their “identity” from their ethnos and skin color, being a form of “ethno-narcissism”; and unfortunately most (not all) Blacks suffer from this neurosis in the form of a "collective Afro-centricism", often where their race supersedes Christ. I personally witnessed this in a dramatic demonstration during the 1992 South-Central L.A. Riots when my Black Christian friends threw Jesus out the window in favor for their skin color. Needless to say, I was appalled of their audacity.
SEE: http://www.segag.org/hateinfo/frbhi.html
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SEE: http://www.segag.org/hateinfo/frbhi.html
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I read your comment, I think that you should take the time and read the whole topic, cause I think
you may have a little understanding. Remember, this is not about race, this is just facts in the Bible.
The whole Bible is about Israel, it starts with Israel, then the rest of the sons of adam.
Let go to....Roman 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Let go to Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew
Israel is still in captivity, living among us now, and they are black people. They come out of shem, not
Ham. Ham, also is the father of other black nation. Its sad people understanding is limited.
Deuteronomy 28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
28:47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
28:48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
28:49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
What other people did this happen to? You agree with a person with no knowledge and understanding, now
what do that say about you. What nation of people got a yoke of iron upon thy neck? Was it your nation of
people where you come from. It wasn't Ham's seed.
Deuteronomy 28:41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
What about this one....get your history book, who did this happan to.
Look at what the Lord say about this one...Joel 3: 3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
Remember this one, if you don't, then you must be young. Get out the history books. All of this is, for me to, make a point. Israel are black people and they use to deal with these types of treatment. God put this on Israel, cause they kept not his commandment, the scriptures just prove it.
Well, I happen to be of Jewish descent from the 10th Tribe of the Zebulunites; Zebulun is my hereditary patriarch, the 10th son of Jacob (Israel) and the 6th son of Leah, Rachel's sister. In fact, my last name reflects this, translating into "six and ten" or "sixteen", which in ancient Hebrew is the name "Sheshesar" ("six and ten"), being the name of one of Zebulun’s grandsons, so named to honor Zebulun and his birth order. The Zebulunites were one of the scattered Tribes of Israel during the Diaspora. Our modern names are split into two branches, the Seixas (the eastern Greek spelling) and also the Seicas (the western Latin spelling due to the Spanish Inquisition 500 years ago when many of my relatives were "in the name of God" horrifically tortured, killed and their wealth confiscated by the Roman Catholic Church as heretics for their Jewish faith, being the branch that stayed in Portugal after 1492 and did not take refuge in Amsterdam or London as the Seixas did so). Originally, my ancestors settled on the Iberian Peninsula in Portugal in a seaport village they established in antiquity, named Seixal, meaning “suitable place for the Seixas” on the south side of the Tagus Estuary across from Lisbon after fleeing from the Assyrians. Thus, my immediate family is Sephardic Jews from Portugal, and some are descendents from forced "Conversos" to Catholicism (during the Spanish Inquisition). Technically, I am a Sephardic Messianic Jew, having accepted Christ Jesus as my Savior, yet I am a Christian.
And so, I can completely assure you with absoltutely great certitude that none of us are Black Africans, far from it. So, unfortunately, there goes your peculiar theory out the window.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebulun
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp...S&artid=447
http://www.fau.edu/library/brody2.htm
http://www.tzemachdovid.org/gedolim/jo/tpe...ity/seixas.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gershom_Mendes_Seixas
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Its amazing the stuff you come up with, lets start with the word jew, the word jew is short for Judah. Jesus came from
of the tribe of Judah, before the new testament, you didn't hear the word jew. Thats just a nickname the romans
gave Jesus, so lets keep that in mind. You either came from Shem, ham, or Japheth, which one?
I see you refuse to go and look these things up, so it point less now. I said that Hebrews are black people that was
taken from there land and gone in captivity, not that Hebrews (Israel) are black africans. I see you avoided, thoses scriptures, concerning slavery. If you was from the tribe of Zebulun, we would be agreeing with each other, now.
If you were a Hebrew (Israel) you would no all about this, because the nations (all nations) have taken the real Jews and cast lots for them (bided for them/or auctioned them off like animals), and given a boy for an harlot (men traded or gave slave boys instead of money in payment to sleep with a prostitute), and sold a slave girl for wine (traded a young girl for some liquor). Vs. 5 and 6. The nations have taken valuables and riches of the real Jews and carried them into their own temples, and have taken the Jews themselves and sold them to the sons of the Greeks, and to other nations, and removed them far from their own borders. (Joel 3:1-3)
Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Do some homework.
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 2 2008, 08:29 AM)
QUOTE
When someone else is called by your named it is very easy to become lost and living in your
land,while you have been carted off into slavery and are called by whatever nation you are found.
After being in slavery for a long period of years,and throughout generations,it would be impossible
for your children to remember their history. How can they remember what they were never taught?
Black History (The Holy Bible) tells us that there were two sons born to Isaac and to Rebekah,
his wife.
land,while you have been carted off into slavery and are called by whatever nation you are found.
After being in slavery for a long period of years,and throughout generations,it would be impossible
for your children to remember their history. How can they remember what they were never taught?
Black History (The Holy Bible) tells us that there were two sons born to Isaac and to Rebekah,
his wife.
Anthroplogist see various cultures around the globe that they have been studying. They see certain practice that seem to originate from the Hebrew culture.
Even though Wikipedia is not considered a valid form of information due to the fact it can be altered....
This was interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes
And Seven....dear Seven...
There is no way you can tell what lineage you are from when it pertains to the Jews. ONLY the Priestly tribe of the Cohen are able to check their blood lineage now. Nobody else.
You are right, about that, they cannot tell what tribe there are from. They are all in capitivity, Judah, Levi, and Benjamin
are in the U.S. and the rest is in other part of the world. The priest would be from the tribe of levi, and they don't know
who they are either.
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 2 2008, 08:29 AM)
There is no way you can tell what lineage you are from when it pertains to the Jews.
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Sep 2 2008, 12:00 PM)
they cannot tell what tribe there are from.
Excuse me, you cannot tell me what I don't know, how utterly condescending is that?! How uncouth of you! If anyone needs to do research it’s you two clowns; if you did then you would actually know that it was established in 1995 that the Zebulunites migrated to the seafaring Netherlands via seafaring Portugal, hence, to Amsterdam. In fact, the research clearly indicates that the majority of the Dutch are direct descendents from the Zebulunites:
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/hollandidentified.html
http://cgca.net/coglinks/origin/oon1.4.htm
My ancestors the Seixas (Seix[asars] Sheshasars) migrated to Colonial America from Amsterdam via London; and furthermore, etymological analysis conducted on my surname establishes the direct connection to Zebulun, himself. Your information is completely lacking and deficient and is not backed by any actual real world historical facts. Good luck peddling your stuff.
QUOTE (THE SEVEN THUNDERS @ Sep 2 2008, 03:04 PM)
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 2 2008, 08:29 AM)
There is no way you can tell what lineage you are from when it pertains to the Jews.
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Sep 2 2008, 12:00 PM)
they cannot tell what tribe there are from.
Excuse me, you cannot tell me what I don't know, how utterly condescending is that?! How uncouth of you! If anyone needs to do research it’s you two clowns; if you did then you would actually know that it was established in 1995 that the Zebulunites migrated to the seafaring Netherlands via seafaring Portugal, hence, to Amsterdam. In fact, the research clearly indicates that the majority of the Dutch are direct descendents from the Zebulunites:
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/hollandidentified.html
http://cgca.net/coglinks/origin/oon1.4.htm
My ancestors the Seixas (Seix[asars] Sheshasars) migrated to Colonial America from Amsterdam via London; and furthermore, etymological analysis conducted on my surname establishes the direct connection to Zebulun, himself. Your information is completely lacking and deficient and is not backed by any actual real world historical facts. Good luck pedaling your stuff.
BrotherTan....
Yes...the Cohen can trace their blood line. They are the only ones though. All others cannot.
Seven....
I'm sorry for being so "uncouth". I didn't mean to offend.
But this information comes Academic sources. That is what my understanding is. Only the Cohan tribe which is the ones that were the Priests, can tell from their bloodline.
Everyone else goes by what has been passed down.
Thats all I ment. Unless your family is Cohan....you cannot tell by your blood if your Jewish.
This is one of the reasons why some argue that your only Jewish if your practicing Judaism. However.....this is NOT what the Orthodox believe.
I don’t care what academia has to say about the Cohens, the tracing of one’s heritage is not exclusively reserved to just bloodline determination, there are others means such as surname to determine one's heritage link. If one has a Zebulunite surname, then obviously, even to the untrained eye and brain, you must then be a Zebulunite with Hebrew blood. It’s really a no-brainer… Helloooooooooo!
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 2 2008, 03:21 PM)
QUOTE (THE SEVEN THUNDERS @ Sep 2 2008, 03:04 PM)
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 2 2008, 08:29 AM)
There is no way you can tell what lineage you are from when it pertains to the Jews.
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Sep 2 2008, 12:00 PM)
they cannot tell what tribe there are from.
Excuse me, you cannot tell me what I don't know, how utterly condescending is that?! How uncouth of you! If anyone needs to do research it’s you two clowns; if you did then you would actually know that it was established in 1995 that the Zebulunites migrated to the seafaring Netherlands via seafaring Portugal, hence, to Amsterdam. In fact, the research clearly indicates that the majority of the Dutch are direct descendents from the Zebulunites:
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/hollandidentified.html
http://cgca.net/coglinks/origin/oon1.4.htm
My ancestors the Seixas (Seix[asars] Sheshasars) migrated to Colonial America from Amsterdam via London; and furthermore, etymological analysis conducted on my surname establishes the direct connection to Zebulun, himself. Your information is completely lacking and deficient and is not backed by any actual real world historical facts. Good luck pedaling your stuff.
BrotherTan....
Yes...the Cohen can trace their blood line. They are the only ones though. All others cannot.
Seven....
I'm sorry for being so "uncouth". I didn't mean to offend.
But this information comes Academic sources. That is what my understanding is. Only the Cohan tribe which is the ones that were the Priests, can tell from their bloodline.
Everyone else goes by what has been passed down.
Thats all I ment. Unless your family is Cohan....you cannot tell by your blood if your Jewish.
This is one of the reasons why some argue that your only Jewish if your practicing Judaism. However.....this is NOT what the Orthodox believe.
Chloe, -7 is correct. Just the fact of them calling all the tribes Jewish should be a strong clue. Do your academic sources (why did you capitalize them?) know that the tribes split into two houses. One of the houses is not Jewish...never was and never will be.
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Sep 2 2008, 04:32 PM)
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 2 2008, 03:21 PM)
QUOTE (THE SEVEN THUNDERS @ Sep 2 2008, 03:04 PM)
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 2 2008, 08:29 AM)
There is no way you can tell what lineage you are from when it pertains to the Jews.
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Sep 2 2008, 12:00 PM)
they cannot tell what tribe there are from.
Excuse me, you cannot tell me what I don't know, how utterly condescending is that?! How uncouth of you! If anyone needs to do research it’s you two clowns; if you did then you would actually know that it was established in 1995 that the Zebulunites migrated to the seafaring Netherlands via seafaring Portugal, hence, to Amsterdam. In fact, the research clearly indicates that the majority of the Dutch are direct descendents from the Zebulunites:
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/hollandidentified.html
http://cgca.net/coglinks/origin/oon1.4.htm
My ancestors the Seixas (Seix[asars] Sheshasars) migrated to Colonial America from Amsterdam via London; and furthermore, etymological analysis conducted on my surname establishes the direct connection to Zebulun, himself. Your information is completely lacking and deficient and is not backed by any actual real world historical facts. Good luck pedaling your stuff.
BrotherTan....
Yes...the Cohen can trace their blood line. They are the only ones though. All others cannot.
Seven....
I'm sorry for being so "uncouth". I didn't mean to offend.
But this information comes Academic sources. That is what my understanding is. Only the Cohan tribe which is the ones that were the Priests, can tell from their bloodline.
Everyone else goes by what has been passed down.
Thats all I ment. Unless your family is Cohan....you cannot tell by your blood if your Jewish.
This is one of the reasons why some argue that your only Jewish if your practicing Judaism. However.....this is NOT what the Orthodox believe.
Chloe, -7 is correct. Just the fact of them calling all the tribes Jewish should be a strong clue. Do your academic sources (why did you capitalize them?) know that the tribes split into two houses. One of the houses is not Jewish...never was and never will be.
I'm going to look into what you are saying, but I know for a fact, that there are 12 tribes of Israel,
Exodus 1:1 Now these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt; every man and his household came with Jacob.
1:2 Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah,
1:3 Issachar, Zebulun, and Benjamin,
1:4 Dan, and Naphtali, Gad, and Asher.
of course, Manasseh
The color of these tribes are black people, and they come out of shem, one of Noahs sons.
I keep telling people, go to Genesis ch10, look up the different nationality which we come out of.
You either come out of Shem, Ham, or Japheth....These are Noah son's....this is how you track
down who you are.
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Sep 2 2008, 04:32 PM)
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 2 2008, 03:21 PM)
QUOTE (THE SEVEN THUNDERS @ Sep 2 2008, 03:04 PM)
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 2 2008, 08:29 AM)
There is no way you can tell what lineage you are from when it pertains to the Jews.
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Sep 2 2008, 12:00 PM)
they cannot tell what tribe there are from.
Excuse me, you cannot tell me what I don't know, how utterly condescending is that?! How uncouth of you! If anyone needs to do research it’s you two clowns; if you did then you would actually know that it was established in 1995 that the Zebulunites migrated to the seafaring Netherlands via seafaring Portugal, hence, to Amsterdam. In fact, the research clearly indicates that the majority of the Dutch are direct descendents from the Zebulunites:
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/hollandidentified.html
http://cgca.net/coglinks/origin/oon1.4.htm
My ancestors the Seixas (Seix[asars] Sheshasars) migrated to Colonial America from Amsterdam via London; and furthermore, etymological analysis conducted on my surname establishes the direct connection to Zebulun, himself. Your information is completely lacking and deficient and is not backed by any actual real world historical facts. Good luck pedaling your stuff.
BrotherTan....
Yes...the Cohen can trace their blood line. They are the only ones though. All others cannot.
Seven....
I'm sorry for being so "uncouth". I didn't mean to offend.
But this information comes Academic sources. That is what my understanding is. Only the Cohan tribe which is the ones that were the Priests, can tell from their bloodline.
Everyone else goes by what has been passed down.
Thats all I ment. Unless your family is Cohan....you cannot tell by your blood if your Jewish.
This is one of the reasons why some argue that your only Jewish if your practicing Judaism. However.....this is NOT what the Orthodox believe.
Chloe, -7 is correct. Just the fact of them calling all the tribes Jewish should be a strong clue. Do your academic sources (why did you capitalize them?) know that the tribes split into two houses. One of the houses is not Jewish...never was and never will be.
Whirlwind....
I love ya....but I am totally against what your saying. Israel refers to the Jewish people. All Israel is always refering to the Jewish people.
As well as the twelve tribes.
I think your thoughts on this are rooted in Replacement Theology which IMHO is from the pit of hell.
I wish you would step back and look into this further.
I think its dangerous to believe in false doctrine.
(And I didn't mean to capitalize "academic"...sorry)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Sep 2 2008, 05:16 PM)
I'm going to look into what you are saying, but I know for a fact, that there are 12 tribes of Israel,
Exodus 1:1 Now these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt; every man and his household came with Jacob.
1:2 Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah,
1:3 Issachar, Zebulun, and Benjamin,
1:4 Dan, and Naphtali, Gad, and Asher.
of course, Manasseh
The color of these tribes are black people, and they come out of shem, one of Noahs sons.
I keep telling people, go to Genesis ch10, look up the different nationality which we come out of.
You either come out of Shem, Ham, or Japheth....These are Noah son's....this is how you track
down who you are.
Exodus 1:1 Now these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt; every man and his household came with Jacob.
1:2 Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah,
1:3 Issachar, Zebulun, and Benjamin,
1:4 Dan, and Naphtali, Gad, and Asher.
of course, Manasseh
The color of these tribes are black people, and they come out of shem, one of Noahs sons.
I keep telling people, go to Genesis ch10, look up the different nationality which we come out of.
You either come out of Shem, Ham, or Japheth....These are Noah son's....this is how you track
down who you are.
Yes, there are twelve tribes. No, none of those tribes are black. And, no, I'm not going to debate the issue. Been there, done that.
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 2 2008, 05:31 PM)
Whirlwind....
I love ya....but I am totally against what your saying. Israel refers to the Jewish people. All Israel is always refering to the Jewish people.
As well as the twelve tribes.
I think your thoughts on this are rooted in Replacement Theology which IMHO is from the pit of hell.
I wish you would step back and look into this further.
I think its dangerous to believe in false doctrine.
(And I didn't mean to capitalize "academic"...sorry)
I love ya....but I am totally against what your saying. Israel refers to the Jewish people. All Israel is always refering to the Jewish people.
As well as the twelve tribes.
I think your thoughts on this are rooted in Replacement Theology which IMHO is from the pit of hell.
I wish you would step back and look into this further.
I think its dangerous to believe in false doctrine.
(And I didn't mean to capitalize "academic"...sorry)
I love ya too Chloe!Today most folks refer to all the tribes as Israel but they aren't correct. You truly have to distinguish between the two houses to understand who the prophecy is to. Look at your Strong's and note the listings for the house of Israel and the house of Judah. Two different entities, one family.
Remember, Christ said....
Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL."
That isn't the nation of Israel, or...all of Israel but the house of Israel. That house is the ten northern tribes. They are not Jews because they are not of Judah. All the Jews are of Israel but not all of Israel are Jews.
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Sep 2 2008, 06:27 PM)
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 2 2008, 05:31 PM)
Whirlwind....
I love ya....but I am totally against what your saying. Israel refers to the Jewish people. All Israel is always refering to the Jewish people.
As well as the twelve tribes.
I think your thoughts on this are rooted in Replacement Theology which IMHO is from the pit of hell.
I wish you would step back and look into this further.
I think its dangerous to believe in false doctrine.
(And I didn't mean to capitalize "academic"...sorry)
I love ya....but I am totally against what your saying. Israel refers to the Jewish people. All Israel is always refering to the Jewish people.
As well as the twelve tribes.
I think your thoughts on this are rooted in Replacement Theology which IMHO is from the pit of hell.
I wish you would step back and look into this further.
I think its dangerous to believe in false doctrine.
(And I didn't mean to capitalize "academic"...sorry)
I love ya too Chloe!Today most folks refer to all the tribes as Israel but they aren't correct. You truly have to distinguish between the two houses to understand who the prophecy is to. Look at your Strong's and note the listings for the house of Israel and the house of Judah. Two different entities, one family.
Remember, Christ said....
Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL."
That isn't the nation of Israel, or...all of Israel but the house of Israel. That house is the ten northern tribes. They are not Jews because they are not of Judah. All the Jews are of Israel but not all of Israel are Jews.
I keep telling people, go to Genesis ch10, look up the different nationality which we come out of.
You either come out of Shem, Ham, or Japheth....These are Noah son's....this is how you track
down who you are and where you come from. Get the World Encylopedia out. Homework...Homework
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Sep 2 2008, 08:06 PM)
I keep telling people, go to Genesis ch10, look up the different nationality which we come out of.
You either come out of Shem, Ham, or Japheth....These are Noah son's....this is how you track
down who you are and where you come from. Get the World Encylopedia out. Homework...Homework
You either come out of Shem, Ham, or Japheth....These are Noah son's....this is how you track
down who you are and where you come from. Get the World Encylopedia out. Homework...Homework
You have just listed the Adamic people on the ark. Two of all races were also aboard. Homework, homework....
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Sep 3 2008, 07:35 AM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Sep 2 2008, 08:06 PM)
I keep telling people, go to Genesis ch10, look up the different nationality which we come out of.
You either come out of Shem, Ham, or Japheth....These are Noah son's....this is how you track
down who you are and where you come from. Get the World Encylopedia out. Homework...Homework
You either come out of Shem, Ham, or Japheth....These are Noah son's....this is how you track
down who you are and where you come from. Get the World Encylopedia out. Homework...Homework
You have just listed the Adamic people on the ark. Two of all races were also aboard. Homework, homework....
I see you still keep avoiding the question or the point, but thats ok. You really don't read the bible, or understand
what you read, cause, it was only Noah and hid sons (Shem, Ham, Japheth) and there wives.
Each of them had a wifes.
Lets go to Genesis 7: 13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; now, show me what you talking about in the bible, two of all race. This I got to see. So far its looking like more Homework buddy.
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Sep 3 2008, 07:08 PM)
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Sep 3 2008, 07:35 AM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Sep 2 2008, 08:06 PM)
I keep telling people, go to Genesis ch10, look up the different nationality which we come out of.
You either come out of Shem, Ham, or Japheth....These are Noah son's....this is how you track
down who you are and where you come from. Get the World Encylopedia out. Homework...Homework
You either come out of Shem, Ham, or Japheth....These are Noah son's....this is how you track
down who you are and where you come from. Get the World Encylopedia out. Homework...Homework
You have just listed the Adamic people on the ark. Two of all races were also aboard. Homework, homework....
I see you still keep avoiding the question or the point, but thats ok. You really don't read the bible, or understand
what you read, cause, it was only Noah and hid sons (Shem, Ham, Japheth) and there wives.
Each of them had a wifes.
Lets go to Genesis 7: 13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; now, show me what you talking about in the bible, two of all race. This I got to see. So far its looking like more Homework buddy.
Good morning BroTan,
There is more being said in those scriptures than what many see.
Genesis 6:19 And of EVERY LIVING THING OF ALL FLESH, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two OF ALL FLESH, wherein is the BREATH OF LIFE.Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE; and man became a living soul.
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Sep 4 2008, 06:34 AM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Sep 3 2008, 07:08 PM)
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Sep 3 2008, 07:35 AM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Sep 2 2008, 08:06 PM)
I keep telling people, go to Genesis ch10, look up the different nationality which we come out of.
You either come out of Shem, Ham, or Japheth....These are Noah son's....this is how you track
down who you are and where you come from. Get the World Encylopedia out. Homework...Homework
You either come out of Shem, Ham, or Japheth....These are Noah son's....this is how you track
down who you are and where you come from. Get the World Encylopedia out. Homework...Homework
You have just listed the Adamic people on the ark. Two of all races were also aboard. Homework, homework....
I see you still keep avoiding the question or the point, but thats ok. You really don't read the bible, or understand
what you read, cause, it was only Noah and hid sons (Shem, Ham, Japheth) and there wives.
Each of them had a wifes.
Lets go to Genesis 7: 13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; now, show me what you talking about in the bible, two of all race. This I got to see. So far its looking like more Homework buddy.
Good morning BroTan,
There is more being said in those scriptures than what many see.
Genesis 6:19 And of EVERY LIVING THING OF ALL FLESH, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two OF ALL FLESH, wherein is the BREATH OF LIFE.Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE; and man became a living soul.
I see you trying and I appreciate that, now lets take a look at that a little closer, ok.
Let go to...Genesis 7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
7:14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
Now, we see the humans, and we see the beast after its kind, and we see the creeping thing after its kind.
Now, you can't force different races in the scriptures, because at this point there were no other races
on the earth.
Lets go to...Genesis 5: This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
5:7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: <