Common Belief of the Anti-Christ
The word "antichrist" is found in the Bible. But that is where the Bible parts ways with modern speculationists. The rhetoric regarding the "antichrist" is so loud, that the average person has been misled to believe that the book of Revelation talks about nothing else but the "antichrist". In fact, the word "antichrist" is not found even once in the book of Revelation. That in itself should send warning bells off. In fact, the word "antichrist" is only found in 4 passages. All were penned by Apostle John within the books of first and second John.
So exactly what does the Bible have to say about the "antichrist"? Here is an exhaustive study on the word. I, personally, have such a high regard for the Bible, that by reading the scriptures for yourself without my comment is all you need to have a clear understanding of the "antichrist".
THE 4 BIBLE PASSAGES:
1 John 2:18-19 "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, in order that it might be shown that they all are not of us."
1 John 2:22-23 "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also."
1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world."
2 John 1:7 "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist."
From the Bible we can clearly see 3 things. First, the "antichrist" is defined as anyone who doesn't believe Jesus is the divine son of God. Second, "antichrists" appear to actively teach against Christ. Third, there were many "antichrists" in the world when John wrote the book. This directly contradicts the teaching of modern speculationists who say that one antichrist will arise at some still future time.
The Greek word from which our English word "antichrist" is translated is very simple to understand. It is a simple compound word and means "anti" + "Christ" = "antichrist". We use the same compound word every day. We have people who are "anti-smoking" or "anti-gay" or "anti-hunting" or "anti-Semitic" or "anti-abortion". There really is no big mystery as to what the word means. "Anti-Christ" is anyone who opposes Christ.
The Bible term "antichrist" could be simply understood to be equivalent to being a "non-believer."
Full Version: The Anti-christ
FreedomPower,
Hardly. The very first Bible passage you quoted, 1 John 2:18-19, proves you wrong. The relevant portion of that passage is,
Now, I'm sure you are aware that there are various English versions of the Bible. I'm not sure which English version you quoted, but in the NKJV, I John 2:18 reads,
I noticed, in researching this very briefly, that the "NU-text" omits "the" from before "Antichrist" in that passage, just as the version you quoted does. So, I assume the version you are using is based on the NU-text, which differs in various places, mostly lessening the authority of God and Jesus, from the "Majority Text" (the text upon which the King James Version and the New King James Version, as well as some others [I think], are based). The NU-text has been quite popular among, and popularized by, liberal scholars, many of whom go so far as to even "deny the Lord Who bought them".
But even without the absolute proof which "the" confers to the idea of an individual Antichrist, John's contrast itself between "antichrist" and "many antichrists" also essentially proves the same idea. If John did not have the idea of an individual Antichrist in mind in the first portion of his "contrast", he would have said, instead, "...just as you have heard that antichrists are coming, even now many antichrists have arisen...." But he didn't, which shows he was contrasting one with "many".
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The Bible term "antichrist" could be simply understood to be equivalent to being a "non-believer."
Hardly. The very first Bible passage you quoted, 1 John 2:18-19, proves you wrong. The relevant portion of that passage is,
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"...just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen...."
Now, I'm sure you are aware that there are various English versions of the Bible. I'm not sure which English version you quoted, but in the NKJV, I John 2:18 reads,
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"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour."
I noticed, in researching this very briefly, that the "NU-text" omits "the" from before "Antichrist" in that passage, just as the version you quoted does. So, I assume the version you are using is based on the NU-text, which differs in various places, mostly lessening the authority of God and Jesus, from the "Majority Text" (the text upon which the King James Version and the New King James Version, as well as some others [I think], are based). The NU-text has been quite popular among, and popularized by, liberal scholars, many of whom go so far as to even "deny the Lord Who bought them".
But even without the absolute proof which "the" confers to the idea of an individual Antichrist, John's contrast itself between "antichrist" and "many antichrists" also essentially proves the same idea. If John did not have the idea of an individual Antichrist in mind in the first portion of his "contrast", he would have said, instead, "...just as you have heard that antichrists are coming, even now many antichrists have arisen...." But he didn't, which shows he was contrasting one with "many".
FreedomPower, here's a question to think about: should the Bible be trusted as a reliable dictionary?
What happens if the Bible contradicts the dictionary? Whom will you go to?
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What happens if the Bible contradicts the dictionary? Whom will you go to?
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But even without the absolute proof which "the" confers to the idea of an individual Antichrist, John's contrast itself between "antichrist" and "many antichrists" also essentially proves the same idea. If John did not have the idea of an individual Antichrist in mind in the first portion of his "contrast", he would have said, instead, "...just as you have heard that antichrists are coming, even now many antichrists have arisen...." But he didn't, which shows he was contrasting one with "many".[/size][/font]
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Absolutely, we see daniel speak of the same one John spoke of in Revelation 13, etc. This person is an individual who will even have a sort of calculated, specific value to himself. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a, (one) man. His number is six hundred, threescore, and six. To say there is not a beast man that would be an individual antichrist is rediculous and goes contrary to scripture. Such come from Camping, the famous radio personality, that claims the Great Tribulation is already here. The man is bats and has lost his mind.
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Absolutely, we see daniel speak of the same one John spoke of in Revelation 13, etc. This person is an individual who will even have a sort of calculated, specific value to himself. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a, (one) man. His number is six hundred, threescore, and six. To say there is not a beast man that would be an individual antichrist is rediculous and goes contrary to scripture. Such come from Camping, the famous radio personality, that claims the Great Tribulation is already here. The man is bats and has lost his mind.
Before I go any further I just want to clear some things, this is not an attempt to change anyones mindset or an attempt of deceit, this is a study with fellow brothers and I want to see where this will lead in terms of evidence so I can see what others think and show some things I've been thinking about.
Here is a little study on the number 666
The Number of the Beast is described in the Book of Revelation 13:18. The original Greek reads:
ωδέ η σοφία εστίν; ο έχων νουν ψηφισάτω τον αριθμόν του θηρίου; αριθμός γαρ ανθρώπου εστί; και ο αριθμός αυτού χξϛ΄.
The King James translates:[5]
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
In the Greek manuscripts, the Number is rendered in Greek numerical form as χξϛ',[6] or sometimes literally as “six hundred and sixty-six”, “εξακοσιοι εξηκοντα εξ ”.[7][8] [hexakosioi hexékonta hex, lit. six hundred sixty six]
Scholars such as Dr. Ellen Aitken, Dean of the Faculty of Religious Studies at McGill University, have speculated that the reference to this passage was a way of speaking in code about then contemporary figures about whom it would have been politically dangerous to criticize openly.
Many scholars believe that 666 refers to a Roman Emperor such as Nero[9] (whose name, written in Aramaic, was valued at 666, using the Hebrew numerology of gematria, a manner of speaking against the emperor without the Roman authorities knowing).
In 64 A.D. the Roman Emperor Caesar Nero attempted to systematically exterminate all people who professed faith in the newfound Christian religion. Many factors played a major part in promoting this Empire wide genocide. First, a great fire broke out that destroyed the city of Rome. The cause of this fire is unknown, however for the Romans it was easy to blame the Christians, whom the Romans considered to be complete and utter reprobates. The second major factor was Nero himself. Nero was insane. The Emperor of Rome took pleasure in other people's pain; he delighted in the idea of wiping the Christians from the face of the Earth.
Here is a little study on the number 666
The Number of the Beast is described in the Book of Revelation 13:18. The original Greek reads:
ωδέ η σοφία εστίν; ο έχων νουν ψηφισάτω τον αριθμόν του θηρίου; αριθμός γαρ ανθρώπου εστί; και ο αριθμός αυτού χξϛ΄.
The King James translates:[5]
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
In the Greek manuscripts, the Number is rendered in Greek numerical form as χξϛ',[6] or sometimes literally as “six hundred and sixty-six”, “εξακοσιοι εξηκοντα εξ ”.[7][8] [hexakosioi hexékonta hex, lit. six hundred sixty six]
Scholars such as Dr. Ellen Aitken, Dean of the Faculty of Religious Studies at McGill University, have speculated that the reference to this passage was a way of speaking in code about then contemporary figures about whom it would have been politically dangerous to criticize openly.
Many scholars believe that 666 refers to a Roman Emperor such as Nero[9] (whose name, written in Aramaic, was valued at 666, using the Hebrew numerology of gematria, a manner of speaking against the emperor without the Roman authorities knowing).
In 64 A.D. the Roman Emperor Caesar Nero attempted to systematically exterminate all people who professed faith in the newfound Christian religion. Many factors played a major part in promoting this Empire wide genocide. First, a great fire broke out that destroyed the city of Rome. The cause of this fire is unknown, however for the Romans it was easy to blame the Christians, whom the Romans considered to be complete and utter reprobates. The second major factor was Nero himself. Nero was insane. The Emperor of Rome took pleasure in other people's pain; he delighted in the idea of wiping the Christians from the face of the Earth.
It's the number of a man because a man is put in the place of God.
All prophecy about the Antichrist confirms this. This is what all Protestant denominations taught for hundreds of years, but one by one they began to sell out and finally it's no longer taught, but in a few churches. Now Catholic futurism is widely taught in the "Left Behind" scenario, which is an absurd interpretation of prophecy. It's taught only by false prophets who refuse to teach the Ten Commandments, which is the ultimate mark of a false prophet:
2 Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;That's obviously the Pope, who openly worships idols of fertility goddesses and practices witchcraft rituals and encourages people to worship him. The Papacy made true apostolic Christianity illegal for about 1260 years and true Christians where slaughtered on Crusades and in the Inquisition. Bible scholars like John Huss and William Tyndale where burned at the stake.
2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
All prophecy about the Antichrist confirms this. This is what all Protestant denominations taught for hundreds of years, but one by one they began to sell out and finally it's no longer taught, but in a few churches. Now Catholic futurism is widely taught in the "Left Behind" scenario, which is an absurd interpretation of prophecy. It's taught only by false prophets who refuse to teach the Ten Commandments, which is the ultimate mark of a false prophet:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.False prophets are not hideous, disfigured people, but are usually the most popular and well paid:
Matt. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Jer. 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love [to have it] so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
2 Tim. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
QUOTE (FreedomPower @ Aug 21 2008, 04:48 PM) 
Many scholars believe that 666 refers to a Roman Emperor such as Nero[9] (whose name, written in Aramaic, was valued at 666, using the Hebrew numerology of gematria, a manner of speaking against the emperor without the Roman authorities knowing).
Read the chapter that verse was contained in. That is not Nero. The Revelation of Christ was not about Nero. The Bible was not written for or against the Roman authorities.
QUOTE (rush4hire @ Aug 29 2008, 02:41 PM)
It's the number of a man because a man is put in the place of God.
All prophecy about the Antichrist confirms this. This is what all Protestant denominations taught for hundreds of years, but one by one they began to sell out and finally it's no longer taught, but in a few churches. Now Catholic futurism is widely taught in the "Left Behind" scenario, which is an absurd interpretation of prophecy. It's taught only by false prophets who refuse to teach the Ten Commandments, which is the ultimate mark of a false prophet:
2 Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;That's obviously the Pope, who openly worships idols of fertility goddesses and practices witchcraft rituals and encourages people to worship him. The Papacy made true apostolic Christianity illegal for about 1260 years and true Christians where slaughtered on Crusades and in the Inquisition. Bible scholars like John Huss and William Tyndale where burned at the stake.
2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
All prophecy about the Antichrist confirms this. This is what all Protestant denominations taught for hundreds of years, but one by one they began to sell out and finally it's no longer taught, but in a few churches. Now Catholic futurism is widely taught in the "Left Behind" scenario, which is an absurd interpretation of prophecy. It's taught only by false prophets who refuse to teach the Ten Commandments, which is the ultimate mark of a false prophet:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.False prophets are not hideous, disfigured people, but are usually the most popular and well paid:
Matt. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Jer. 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love [to have it] so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
2 Tim. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
No-- a man is not in place of God a fallen is,,,,,Satan himself the antichrist In Biblical mathematics the number six (and its multiples) has been construed to be associated with evil, evil men and the evil one himself, and I can further tell you that it was very important in mathematics and accounting in ancient Mesopotamia and Babylonia.......
FP,
The scriptures do not agree with you on your view .... not even close
How do you reconcile?
The scriptures do not agree with you on your view .... not even close
How do you reconcile?
QUOTE (rush4hire @ Aug 29 2008, 01:41 PM)
It's the number of a man because a man is put in the place of God.
All prophecy about the Antichrist confirms this. This is what all Protestant denominations taught for hundreds of years, but one by one they began to sell out and finally it's no longer taught, but in a few churches. Now Catholic futurism is widely taught in the "Left Behind" scenario, which is an absurd interpretation of prophecy. It's taught only by false prophets who refuse to teach the Ten Commandments, which is the ultimate mark of a false prophet:
2 Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;That's obviously the Pope, who openly worships idols of fertility goddesses and practices witchcraft rituals and encourages people to worship him. The Papacy made true apostolic Christianity illegal for about 1260 years and true Christians where slaughtered on Crusades and in the Inquisition. Bible scholars like John Huss and William Tyndale where burned at the stake.
2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
All prophecy about the Antichrist confirms this. This is what all Protestant denominations taught for hundreds of years, but one by one they began to sell out and finally it's no longer taught, but in a few churches. Now Catholic futurism is widely taught in the "Left Behind" scenario, which is an absurd interpretation of prophecy. It's taught only by false prophets who refuse to teach the Ten Commandments, which is the ultimate mark of a false prophet:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.False prophets are not hideous, disfigured people, but are usually the most popular and well paid:
Matt. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Jer. 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love [to have it] so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
2 Tim. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Yes the Pope is most likely the false prophet. The antichrist is the Beast, another person, a political personality as he is tied to the ten horns and 7 heads or world empires that have affected Israel negatively in the passage of times. Babylonian, Medo persian, Egyptian, Grecian, Roman, Nazi Empire, America. So one may conclude the Beast will arise out of America or Modern day babylon. So america stands on the ancient dreuidic practices of the ancient six and is the seventh empire, and is the seventh head. For such the Mason put seven spikes on the statue of liberty. Thiis ancient Goddess Ishtar represents, the babylonian goddess of freedom, equality, and migration to become one, one out of many, epluribus unum. The seven heads represents empires or mountains. Babylon is describes as a mountain or empire in scripture.
QUOTE (rush4hire @ Aug 29 2008, 01:41 PM)
It's the number of a man because a man is put in the place of God.
All prophecy about the Antichrist confirms this. This is what all Protestant denominations taught for hundreds of years, but one by one they began to sell out and finally it's no longer taught, but in a few churches. Now Catholic futurism is widely taught in the "Left Behind" scenario, which is an absurd interpretation of prophecy. It's taught only by false prophets who refuse to teach the Ten Commandments, which is the ultimate mark of a false prophet:
2 Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;That's obviously the Pope, who openly worships idols of fertility goddesses and practices witchcraft rituals and encourages people to worship him. The Papacy made true apostolic Christianity illegal for about 1260 years and true Christians where slaughtered on Crusades and in the Inquisition. Bible scholars like John Huss and William Tyndale where burned at the stake.
2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
All prophecy about the Antichrist confirms this. This is what all Protestant denominations taught for hundreds of years, but one by one they began to sell out and finally it's no longer taught, but in a few churches. Now Catholic futurism is widely taught in the "Left Behind" scenario, which is an absurd interpretation of prophecy. It's taught only by false prophets who refuse to teach the Ten Commandments, which is the ultimate mark of a false prophet:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.False prophets are not hideous, disfigured people, but are usually the most popular and well paid:
Matt. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Jer. 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love [to have it] so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
2 Tim. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
I do not doubt the Roman Catholic connections to the man of sin. There is no doubt that the Roman Catholic church along with a plethora of other demon-nations will throw their weight behind it as well.
There is only one seat mentioned in the gospels that could possibly match 2Thess2:4. And that is "Chorzin" or Moses seat. It is a place of judgment. Now as pertaining to the "anti-christ" We must remember that it is a spirit and not a man. The man who embodies the fullness of that spirit is the "man of sin" or "son of perdition"
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
(This of course would lead to a question as to why we are not obeying Jesus' words and why are we not doing what the scribes and pharisees teach concerning the sabbath and other commandments?
So it is safe to say that the son of perdition is sitting in the temple of God embodying the fullness of the spirit of Antichrist.
SO where is the temple today? Oh you mean the one that has been going up for the last 30 years?
What does the scripture say of the temple today?
"Know ye not that your bodies are the temple of God which temple ye are?
Where is the highest place in the body?
The mind!
So the 'antichrist' or 'man of sin' is seated in the temple (physical or spiritual)
Who then is the one standing in the Holy place?
Well, who was it "standing" in the Holy place In 2 Chron 35:5
2Ch 35:4 And prepare yourselves by the houses of your fathers, after your courses, according to the writing of David king of Israel, and according to the writing of Solomon his son.
2Ch 35:5 And stand in the holy place according to the divisions of the families of the fathers of your brethren the people, and after the division of the families of the Levites.
So who is it that is standing in the Holy Place in Matthew 24:15?
High Priest?
Or false Prophet?
I guess we'll find out.
Anyway I think this is playing out everyday right now in everybody. It will probably have some sort of physical fufillment down the road, but the spirit of error, which is the spirit of antichrist is sitting firmly in the religious minds of billions. They have their own little chorazin or moses seat and judge from their experience and what they have learned from one fallen head to the next. There are and have always been antichrists in the world. Do not be decieved and Flee from idolatry
QUOTE (Stephen @ Aug 29 2008, 03:26 PM)
FP,
The scriptures do not agree with you on your view .... not even close
How do you reconcile?
The scriptures do not agree with you on your view .... not even close
How do you reconcile?
If you read 1 John very carefully, you will find that John spoke of the spirit of antichrist that was in the world in his day. And he never said anything about a man called antichrist who would come long after the spirit of antichrist was in the world. He said that antichrist was the influence of deception in his day denying the Father and the Son. John spoke of those who were part of the church but later left it and revealed that in reality they were never were part of the church to begin with.
1 John 2:18-19 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists;. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt] have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Notice that John points to these apostates who were once among the church as proof that John was at that time in the last time. He proved to the readers that those early believers were in the last time.
Paul warned the churches about this antichrist spirit coming.
Acts 20:28-31 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
Paul said the very people to whom he preached would experience the coming of false preachers. This period of time called the LAST DAYS was absolutely rife with heresy and false doctrine.
2 Timothy 2:16-18 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
The list goes on and on about the heresies in the days of the early church.
And the term "Antichrist" is never even mentioned in the Book of Revelation! So where did this title "The Antichrist" referring to a man with 666 ever come from?
John said it was the last time in his day and proof of that was the fact that antichrist was in the world in his day.
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. ;
FP,
"Anti-Christ" means "against" Jesus Christ and most of the world's population has been and is in this condition. Satan's human little horn [the first beast of Revelation], king of the northern Middle East is definitely coming and is an individual. This fallen angelic and human combination is defined by a number of names in a number of scriptures, but not "anti-christ". Only John calls him an anti-christ. He will definitely be against Jesus Christ and will speak great words of blasphemy against Him. The idea that "antichrist" is a "corporate" holding residing in humans is misleading in this case. This idea is not supported by the scriptures. All unbelievers are against Jesus Christ and refute Him, so in a sense they are "anti-Christ. The believer is a "temple" of the Lord's Holy Spirit, but only in a spiritual sense. The little horn will sit in a physical temple [building] located on the temple mount and it will be the temple of "his" god .... not a temple of the Lord's.
"Anti-Christ" means "against" Jesus Christ and most of the world's population has been and is in this condition. Satan's human little horn [the first beast of Revelation], king of the northern Middle East is definitely coming and is an individual. This fallen angelic and human combination is defined by a number of names in a number of scriptures, but not "anti-christ". Only John calls him an anti-christ. He will definitely be against Jesus Christ and will speak great words of blasphemy against Him. The idea that "antichrist" is a "corporate" holding residing in humans is misleading in this case. This idea is not supported by the scriptures. All unbelievers are against Jesus Christ and refute Him, so in a sense they are "anti-Christ. The believer is a "temple" of the Lord's Holy Spirit, but only in a spiritual sense. The little horn will sit in a physical temple [building] located on the temple mount and it will be the temple of "his" god .... not a temple of the Lord's.
QUOTE (raysondawn @ Aug 29 2008, 06:29 PM)
I do not doubt the Roman Catholic connections to the man of sin. There is no doubt that the Roman Catholic church along with a plethora of other demon-nations will throw their weight behind it as well.
There is only one seat mentioned in the gospels that could possibly match 2Thess2:4. And that is "Chorzin" or Moses seat. It is a place of judgment. Now as pertaining to the "anti-christ" We must remember that it is a spirit and not a man. The man who embodies the fullness of that spirit is the "man of sin" or "son of perdition"
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
(This of course would lead to a question as to why we are not obeying Jesus' words and why are we not doing what the scribes and pharisees teach concerning the sabbath and other commandments?
So it is safe to say that the son of perdition is sitting in the temple of God embodying the fullness of the spirit of Antichrist.
SO where is the temple today? Oh you mean the one that has been going up for the last 30 years?
What does the scripture say of the temple today?
"Know ye not that your bodies are the temple of God which temple ye are?
Where is the highest place in the body?
The mind!
So the 'antichrist' or 'man of sin' is seated in the temple (physical or spiritual)
Who then is the one standing in the Holy place?
Well, who was it "standing" in the Holy place In 2 Chron 35:5
2Ch 35:4 And prepare yourselves by the houses of your fathers, after your courses, according to the writing of David king of Israel, and according to the writing of Solomon his son.
2Ch 35:5 And stand in the holy place according to the divisions of the families of the fathers of your brethren the people, and after the division of the families of the Levites.
So who is it that is standing in the Holy Place in Matthew 24:15?
High Priest?
Or false Prophet?
I guess we'll find out.
Anyway I think this is playing out everyday right now in everybody. It will probably have some sort of physical fufillment down the road, but the spirit of error, which is the spirit of antichrist is sitting firmly in the religious minds of billions. They have their own little chorazin or moses seat and judge from their experience and what they have learned from one fallen head to the next. There are and have always been antichrists in the world. Do not be decieved and Flee from idolatry
There is only one seat mentioned in the gospels that could possibly match 2Thess2:4. And that is "Chorzin" or Moses seat. It is a place of judgment. Now as pertaining to the "anti-christ" We must remember that it is a spirit and not a man. The man who embodies the fullness of that spirit is the "man of sin" or "son of perdition"
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
(This of course would lead to a question as to why we are not obeying Jesus' words and why are we not doing what the scribes and pharisees teach concerning the sabbath and other commandments?
So it is safe to say that the son of perdition is sitting in the temple of God embodying the fullness of the spirit of Antichrist.
SO where is the temple today? Oh you mean the one that has been going up for the last 30 years?
What does the scripture say of the temple today?
"Know ye not that your bodies are the temple of God which temple ye are?
Where is the highest place in the body?
The mind!
So the 'antichrist' or 'man of sin' is seated in the temple (physical or spiritual)
Who then is the one standing in the Holy place?
Well, who was it "standing" in the Holy place In 2 Chron 35:5
2Ch 35:4 And prepare yourselves by the houses of your fathers, after your courses, according to the writing of David king of Israel, and according to the writing of Solomon his son.
2Ch 35:5 And stand in the holy place according to the divisions of the families of the fathers of your brethren the people, and after the division of the families of the Levites.
So who is it that is standing in the Holy Place in Matthew 24:15?
High Priest?
Or false Prophet?
I guess we'll find out.
Anyway I think this is playing out everyday right now in everybody. It will probably have some sort of physical fufillment down the road, but the spirit of error, which is the spirit of antichrist is sitting firmly in the religious minds of billions. They have their own little chorazin or moses seat and judge from their experience and what they have learned from one fallen head to the next. There are and have always been antichrists in the world. Do not be decieved and Flee from idolatry
Thank you so much for this post. It concerns the following:
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Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
11 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
John 2:21 But He spake of the Temple of His body.
Revelation 14:17 And another angel came out of the Temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
What those scriptures tell me is.....Christ is the Temple. He is the Holy Place. So, to me, what is being said is.....Satan, the abomination of desolation, will "stand in the Holy place," or "sitteth in the Temple" playing like he is God, "shewing himself that He is God."
This is not speaking of a literal temple but rather when he is on earth pretending to be Christ. He will be pretending to be the temple, the Holy One, looking and acting and deceiving the world into believing he is Christ. Those in Jerusalem may be attempting to build another temple but The Temple is now "in heaven."
Of course we must factor into that....
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the Temple of God, and that the Spirit of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the Temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the Temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
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The above was from a post I wrote a few days ago. I still see the "abomination of desolation" as Satan standing in place of Christ....during his hour of temptation when he will deceive the world. Because that scripture refers us to Daniel and Daniel said...."And HE shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week HE shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease," [Daniel 9:27] Because "HE" is singular I see him as Satan when he stands as Christ, pretending to be Christ.
But, what of us? For we also are the Temple of God, we also are the holy place. How do we factor into this? Can you shed any light on what I am not seeing or understanding?
Whirlwind,
I have read this too and also would like to know the answer to your question. It is interesting.
I have read this too and also would like to know the answer to your question. It is interesting.
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Aug 30 2008, 03:25 PM)
QUOTE (raysondawn @ Aug 29 2008, 06:29 PM)
I do not doubt the Roman Catholic connections to the man of sin. There is no doubt that the Roman Catholic church along with a plethora of other demon-nations will throw their weight behind it as well.
There is only one seat mentioned in the gospels that could possibly match 2Thess2:4. And that is "Chorzin" or Moses seat. It is a place of judgment. Now as pertaining to the "anti-christ" We must remember that it is a spirit and not a man. The man who embodies the fullness of that spirit is the "man of sin" or "son of perdition"
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
(This of course would lead to a question as to why we are not obeying Jesus' words and why are we not doing what the scribes and pharisees teach concerning the sabbath and other commandments?
So it is safe to say that the son of perdition is sitting in the temple of God embodying the fullness of the spirit of Antichrist.
SO where is the temple today? Oh you mean the one that has been going up for the last 30 years?
What does the scripture say of the temple today?
"Know ye not that your bodies are the temple of God which temple ye are?
Where is the highest place in the body?
The mind!
So the 'antichrist' or 'man of sin' is seated in the temple (physical or spiritual)
Who then is the one standing in the Holy place?
Well, who was it "standing" in the Holy place In 2 Chron 35:5
2Ch 35:4 And prepare yourselves by the houses of your fathers, after your courses, according to the writing of David king of Israel, and according to the writing of Solomon his son.
2Ch 35:5 And stand in the holy place according to the divisions of the families of the fathers of your brethren the people, and after the division of the families of the Levites.
So who is it that is standing in the Holy Place in Matthew 24:15?
High Priest?
Or false Prophet?
I guess we'll find out.
Anyway I think this is playing out everyday right now in everybody. It will probably have some sort of physical fufillment down the road, but the spirit of error, which is the spirit of antichrist is sitting firmly in the religious minds of billions. They have their own little chorazin or moses seat and judge from their experience and what they have learned from one fallen head to the next. There are and have always been antichrists in the world. Do not be decieved and Flee from idolatry
There is only one seat mentioned in the gospels that could possibly match 2Thess2:4. And that is "Chorzin" or Moses seat. It is a place of judgment. Now as pertaining to the "anti-christ" We must remember that it is a spirit and not a man. The man who embodies the fullness of that spirit is the "man of sin" or "son of perdition"
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
(This of course would lead to a question as to why we are not obeying Jesus' words and why are we not doing what the scribes and pharisees teach concerning the sabbath and other commandments?
So it is safe to say that the son of perdition is sitting in the temple of God embodying the fullness of the spirit of Antichrist.
SO where is the temple today? Oh you mean the one that has been going up for the last 30 years?
What does the scripture say of the temple today?
"Know ye not that your bodies are the temple of God which temple ye are?
Where is the highest place in the body?
The mind!
So the 'antichrist' or 'man of sin' is seated in the temple (physical or spiritual)
Who then is the one standing in the Holy place?
Well, who was it "standing" in the Holy place In 2 Chron 35:5
2Ch 35:4 And prepare yourselves by the houses of your fathers, after your courses, according to the writing of David king of Israel, and according to the writing of Solomon his son.
2Ch 35:5 And stand in the holy place according to the divisions of the families of the fathers of your brethren the people, and after the division of the families of the Levites.
So who is it that is standing in the Holy Place in Matthew 24:15?
High Priest?
Or false Prophet?
I guess we'll find out.
Anyway I think this is playing out everyday right now in everybody. It will probably have some sort of physical fufillment down the road, but the spirit of error, which is the spirit of antichrist is sitting firmly in the religious minds of billions. They have their own little chorazin or moses seat and judge from their experience and what they have learned from one fallen head to the next. There are and have always been antichrists in the world. Do not be decieved and Flee from idolatry
Thank you so much for this post. It concerns the following:
~~~~~~~~~~
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
11 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
John 2:21 But He spake of the Temple of His body.
Revelation 14:17 And another angel came out of the Temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
What those scriptures tell me is.....Christ is the Temple. He is the Holy Place. So, to me, what is being said is.....Satan, the abomination of desolation, will "stand in the Holy place," or "sitteth in the Temple" playing like he is God, "shewing himself that He is God."
This is not speaking of a literal temple but rather when he is on earth pretending to be Christ. He will be pretending to be the temple, the Holy One, looking and acting and deceiving the world into believing he is Christ. Those in Jerusalem may be attempting to build another temple but The Temple is now "in heaven."
Of course we must factor into that....
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the Temple of God, and that the Spirit of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the Temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the Temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
~~~~~~~~~~~
The above was from a post I wrote a few days ago. I still see the "abomination of desolation" as Satan standing in place of Christ....during his hour of temptation when he will deceive the world. Because that scripture refers us to Daniel and Daniel said...."And HE shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week HE shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease," [Daniel 9:27] Because "HE" is singular I see him as Satan when he stands as Christ, pretending to be Christ.
But, what of us? For we also are the Temple of God, we also are the holy place. How do we factor into this? Can you shed any light on what I am not seeing or understanding?
Perhaps what you are not seeing in the "abomination of desolation" refered to in Matthew 24:15 is just as singular than the word "he" in Daniel 9:27
The phrase in Daniel 9:27 is not singular but plural. So the overspreading of "abominations" of Daniel 9 cannot be the same thing as to what Matthew 24:15 is refering to as a singular abomination.
You can go all the way back to the beginning of the chapter in Daniel 9 and see that the context is plainly talking consistantly about the God who keeps covenant and mercy. Only in verse 27 has the modern teachers changed the context to suddenly and abruptly begin to talk about the "antichrist" as it has been popularly taught.
This has been done to cover up the pre-trib rapture rupture. Without Daniel 9 talking about the "antichrist" the whole rapture doctrine will fall like a house of cards.
Daniel 11:31 is the scripture that Matthew 24:15, is refering.
We are not "also" the temple of God, we are the temple of God until the one comes down from heaven which is in New Jerusalem. The lamb is the temple thereof.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Another scripture that harmonizes with our tri-partite being Body, Soul, and Spirit is also refered to in Revelation.
Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
The outer- court would coorespond to our bodies or the flesh. Notice the time frame 42 months or 3.5 years which is also the length of time that the "body of Jesus was on the earth" and though he was arrested by the Jewish Temple Guard, he was given over to the Gentile Romans did a pretty solid job of treading his flesh down, did they not?
So in this respect, the holy city has been transfered to those who have recieved the Holy Spirit law written upon their hearts fufilling Jeremiah 31 and Joel 2. So Jerusalem is whereever God is in any man who worships him in Spirit and in truth.
Daniel 9:24-27 was fufilled to the letter in Jesus Christ.
Whatever we do or believe we are showing which God is sitting in our temple. Today and not 5 or 10 years down the road.
QUOTE (raysondawn @ Aug 30 2008, 05:40 PM)
Perhaps what you are not seeing in the "abomination of desolation" refered to in Matthew 24:15 is just as singular than the word "he" in Daniel 9:27
The phrase in Daniel 9:27 is not singular but plural. So the overspreading of "abominations" of Daniel 9 cannot be the same thing as to what Matthew 24:15 is refering to as a singular abomination.
You can go all the way back to the beginning of the chapter in Daniel 9 and see that the context is plainly talking consistantly about the God who keeps covenant and mercy. Only in verse 27 has the modern teachers changed the context to suddenly and abruptly begin to talk about the "antichrist" as it has been popularly taught.
This has been done to cover up the pre-trib rapture rupture. Without Daniel 9 talking about the "antichrist" the whole rapture doctrine will fall like a house of cards.
Daniel 11:31 is the scripture that Matthew 24:15, is refering.
We are not "also" the temple of God, we are the temple of God until the one comes down from heaven which is in New Jerusalem. The lamb is the temple thereof.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Another scripture that harmonizes with our tri-partite being Body, Soul, and Spirit is also refered to in Revelation.
Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
The outer- court would coorespond to our bodies or the flesh. Notice the time frame 42 months or 3.5 years which is also the length of time that the "body of Jesus was on the earth" and though he was arrested by the Jewish Temple Guard, he was given over to the Gentile Romans did a pretty solid job of treading his flesh down, did they not?
So in this respect, the holy city has been transfered to those who have recieved the Holy Spirit law written upon their hearts fufilling Jeremiah 31 and Joel 2. So Jerusalem is whereever God is in any man who worships him in Spirit and in truth.
Daniel 9:24-27 was fufilled to the letter in Jesus Christ.
Whatever we do or believe we are showing which God is sitting in our temple. Today and not 5 or 10 years down the road.
The phrase in Daniel 9:27 is not singular but plural. So the overspreading of "abominations" of Daniel 9 cannot be the same thing as to what Matthew 24:15 is refering to as a singular abomination.
You can go all the way back to the beginning of the chapter in Daniel 9 and see that the context is plainly talking consistantly about the God who keeps covenant and mercy. Only in verse 27 has the modern teachers changed the context to suddenly and abruptly begin to talk about the "antichrist" as it has been popularly taught.
This has been done to cover up the pre-trib rapture rupture. Without Daniel 9 talking about the "antichrist" the whole rapture doctrine will fall like a house of cards.
Daniel 11:31 is the scripture that Matthew 24:15, is refering.
We are not "also" the temple of God, we are the temple of God until the one comes down from heaven which is in New Jerusalem. The lamb is the temple thereof.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Another scripture that harmonizes with our tri-partite being Body, Soul, and Spirit is also refered to in Revelation.
Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
The outer- court would coorespond to our bodies or the flesh. Notice the time frame 42 months or 3.5 years which is also the length of time that the "body of Jesus was on the earth" and though he was arrested by the Jewish Temple Guard, he was given over to the Gentile Romans did a pretty solid job of treading his flesh down, did they not?
So in this respect, the holy city has been transfered to those who have recieved the Holy Spirit law written upon their hearts fufilling Jeremiah 31 and Joel 2. So Jerusalem is whereever God is in any man who worships him in Spirit and in truth.
Daniel 9:24-27 was fufilled to the letter in Jesus Christ.
Whatever we do or believe we are showing which God is sitting in our temple. Today and not 5 or 10 years down the road.
This is going to take a while to go over but I want to thank you and also tell you how I enjoyed your.....rapture rupture phrase!
QUOTE
The Bible term "antichrist" could be simply understood to be equivalent to being a "non-believer."
Amen
It deals with the Jews who reject their Messiah. Anyone else who rejects the Messiah is an anichrist but to the Jew first.
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Aug 30 2008, 05:58 PM)
QUOTE (raysondawn @ Aug 30 2008, 05:40 PM)
Perhaps what you are not seeing in the "abomination of desolation" refered to in Matthew 24:15 is just as singular than the word "he" in Daniel 9:27
The phrase in Daniel 9:27 is not singular but plural. So the overspreading of "abominations" of Daniel 9 cannot be the same thing as to what Matthew 24:15 is refering to as a singular abomination.
You can go all the way back to the beginning of the chapter in Daniel 9 and see that the context is plainly talking consistantly about the God who keeps covenant and mercy. Only in verse 27 has the modern teachers changed the context to suddenly and abruptly begin to talk about the "antichrist" as it has been popularly taught.
This has been done to cover up the pre-trib rapture rupture. Without Daniel 9 talking about the "antichrist" the whole rapture doctrine will fall like a house of cards.
Daniel 11:31 is the scripture that Matthew 24:15, is refering.
We are not "also" the temple of God, we are the temple of God until the one comes down from heaven which is in New Jerusalem. The lamb is the temple thereof.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Another scripture that harmonizes with our tri-partite being Body, Soul, and Spirit is also refered to in Revelation.
Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
The outer- court would coorespond to our bodies or the flesh. Notice the time frame 42 months or 3.5 years which is also the length of time that the "body of Jesus was on the earth" and though he was arrested by the Jewish Temple Guard, he was given over to the Gentile Romans did a pretty solid job of treading his flesh down, did they not?
So in this respect, the holy city has been transfered to those who have recieved the Holy Spirit law written upon their hearts fufilling Jeremiah 31 and Joel 2. So Jerusalem is whereever God is in any man who worships him in Spirit and in truth.
Daniel 9:24-27 was fufilled to the letter in Jesus Christ.
Whatever we do or believe we are showing which God is sitting in our temple. Today and not 5 or 10 years down the road.
The phrase in Daniel 9:27 is not singular but plural. So the overspreading of "abominations" of Daniel 9 cannot be the same thing as to what Matthew 24:15 is refering to as a singular abomination.
You can go all the way back to the beginning of the chapter in Daniel 9 and see that the context is plainly talking consistantly about the God who keeps covenant and mercy. Only in verse 27 has the modern teachers changed the context to suddenly and abruptly begin to talk about the "antichrist" as it has been popularly taught.
This has been done to cover up the pre-trib rapture rupture. Without Daniel 9 talking about the "antichrist" the whole rapture doctrine will fall like a house of cards.
Daniel 11:31 is the scripture that Matthew 24:15, is refering.
We are not "also" the temple of God, we are the temple of God until the one comes down from heaven which is in New Jerusalem. The lamb is the temple thereof.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Another scripture that harmonizes with our tri-partite being Body, Soul, and Spirit is also refered to in Revelation.
Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
The outer- court would coorespond to our bodies or the flesh. Notice the time frame 42 months or 3.5 years which is also the length of time that the "body of Jesus was on the earth" and though he was arrested by the Jewish Temple Guard, he was given over to the Gentile Romans did a pretty solid job of treading his flesh down, did they not?
So in this respect, the holy city has been transfered to those who have recieved the Holy Spirit law written upon their hearts fufilling Jeremiah 31 and Joel 2. So Jerusalem is whereever God is in any man who worships him in Spirit and in truth.
Daniel 9:24-27 was fufilled to the letter in Jesus Christ.
Whatever we do or believe we are showing which God is sitting in our temple. Today and not 5 or 10 years down the road.
This is going to take a while to go over but I want to thank you and also tell you how I enjoyed your.....rapture rupture phrase!
To correct something I said. I meant to say that Jesus ministered on earth in his own body for 3.5 years. He was of course on the earth for 33.5 years
QUOTE (FreedomPower @ Aug 21 2008, 05:09 AM)
Common Belief of the Anti-Christ
The word "antichrist" is found in the Bible. But that is where the Bible parts ways with modern speculationists. The rhetoric regarding the "antichrist" is so loud, that the average person has been misled to believe that the book of Revelation talks about nothing else but the "antichrist". In fact, the word "antichrist" is not found even once in the book of Revelation. That in itself should send warning bells off. In fact, the word "antichrist" is only found in 4 passages. All were penned by Apostle John within the books of first and second John.
So exactly what does the Bible have to say about the "antichrist"? Here is an exhaustive study on the word. I, personally, have such a high regard for the Bible, that by reading the scriptures for yourself without my comment is all you need to have a clear understanding of the "antichrist".
THE 4 BIBLE PASSAGES:
1 John 2:18-19 "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, in order that it might be shown that they all are not of us."
1 John 2:22-23 "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also."
1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world."
2 John 1:7 "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist."
From the Bible we can clearly see 3 things. First, the "antichrist" is defined as anyone who doesn't believe Jesus is the divine son of God. Second, "antichrists" appear to actively teach against Christ. Third, there were many "antichrists" in the world when John wrote the book. This directly contradicts the teaching of modern speculationists who say that one antichrist will arise at some still future time.
The Greek word from which our English word "antichrist" is translated is very simple to understand. It is a simple compound word and means "anti" + "Christ" = "antichrist". We use the same compound word every day. We have people who are "anti-smoking" or "anti-gay" or "anti-hunting" or "anti-Semitic" or "anti-abortion". There really is no big mystery as to what the word means. "Anti-Christ" is anyone who opposes Christ.
The Bible term "antichrist" could be simply understood to be equivalent to being a "non-believer."
The word "antichrist" is found in the Bible. But that is where the Bible parts ways with modern speculationists. The rhetoric regarding the "antichrist" is so loud, that the average person has been misled to believe that the book of Revelation talks about nothing else but the "antichrist". In fact, the word "antichrist" is not found even once in the book of Revelation. That in itself should send warning bells off. In fact, the word "antichrist" is only found in 4 passages. All were penned by Apostle John within the books of first and second John.
So exactly what does the Bible have to say about the "antichrist"? Here is an exhaustive study on the word. I, personally, have such a high regard for the Bible, that by reading the scriptures for yourself without my comment is all you need to have a clear understanding of the "antichrist".
THE 4 BIBLE PASSAGES:
1 John 2:18-19 "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, in order that it might be shown that they all are not of us."
1 John 2:22-23 "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also."
1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world."
2 John 1:7 "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist."
From the Bible we can clearly see 3 things. First, the "antichrist" is defined as anyone who doesn't believe Jesus is the divine son of God. Second, "antichrists" appear to actively teach against Christ. Third, there were many "antichrists" in the world when John wrote the book. This directly contradicts the teaching of modern speculationists who say that one antichrist will arise at some still future time.
The Greek word from which our English word "antichrist" is translated is very simple to understand. It is a simple compound word and means "anti" + "Christ" = "antichrist". We use the same compound word every day. We have people who are "anti-smoking" or "anti-gay" or "anti-hunting" or "anti-Semitic" or "anti-abortion". There really is no big mystery as to what the word means. "Anti-Christ" is anyone who opposes Christ.
The Bible term "antichrist" could be simply understood to be equivalent to being a "non-believer."
QUOTE (endtime @ Aug 31 2008, 12:34 AM)
Amen
It deals with the Jews who reject their Messiah. Anyone else who rejects the Messiah is an anichrist but to the Jew first.
It deals with the Jews who reject their Messiah. Anyone else who rejects the Messiah is an anichrist but to the Jew first.
It also deals with those who claim to be christian but teach a perverted Christ.
FreedomPower,
Did you not read my post, where I proved your above claim to be wrong?
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If you read 1 John very carefully, you will find that John spoke of the spirit of antichrist that was in the world in his day. And he never said anything about a man called antichrist who would come long after the spirit of antichrist was in the world. He said that antichrist was the influence of deception in his day denying the Father and the Son. John spoke of those who were part of the church but later left it and revealed that in reality they were never were part of the church to begin with.
1 John 2:18-19 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists;. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
1 John 2:18-19 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists;. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Did you not read my post, where I proved your above claim to be wrong?
(Duplicate post.)
QUOTE (Godsword @ Sep 2 2008, 12:50 PM)
FreedomPower,
Did you not read my post, where I proved your above claim to be wrong?
QUOTE
If you read 1 John very carefully, you will find that John spoke of the spirit of antichrist that was in the world in his day. And he never said anything about a man called antichrist who would come long after the spirit of antichrist was in the world. He said that antichrist was the influence of deception in his day denying the Father and the Son. John spoke of those who were part of the church but later left it and revealed that in reality they were never were part of the church to begin with.
1 John 2:18-19 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists;. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
1 John 2:18-19 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists;. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Did you not read my post, where I proved your above claim to be wrong?
Hello Godsword
I do not think you have proven me wrong, it is a matter of interpretation
1 John 2:18-19
8Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
Even though he says THE antichrist is coming it does not mean a singular antichrist, but it could merely mean another antichrist just as many have come in the past.
FreedomPower,
"The" always implies singular. Is English your original language? Do you know Greek, and that the same thing applies (the implication of a definite article) in that language? Did you not notice how John is contrasting a general group ("many antichrists") with a specific individual ("antichrist" or "the antichrist")? Do you not notice how this is consistent with Hebrew practice and poetry, in paralleling or contrasting ideas, particularly in that it would do so in two ways (general versus specific, group versus individual)?
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Even though he says THE antichrist is coming it does not mean a singular antichrist, but it could merely mean another antichrist just as many have come in the past.
"The" always implies singular. Is English your original language? Do you know Greek, and that the same thing applies (the implication of a definite article) in that language? Did you not notice how John is contrasting a general group ("many antichrists") with a specific individual ("antichrist" or "the antichrist")? Do you not notice how this is consistent with Hebrew practice and poetry, in paralleling or contrasting ideas, particularly in that it would do so in two ways (general versus specific, group versus individual)?
"Anti-Christ" means "against" Christ. Most humans have been and are against the Lord .... even within professing christianity. But the Bible clearly speaks of the "prince that shall come", the lawless one, the Assyrian, the little horn king of the northern Middle East, and the 1st beast of Revelation. This entity will be significantly "against " Jesus Christ and will speak great blasphemy against the only Son of God. This entity will be an individual and anyone can understand this if they have extensive knowledge of the prophetic scriptures. Many details are given regarding this entity who will do Satan's bidding on the earth at the time of the end. This will be the combination of a fallen angelic and a human, and will possess great power and destructive ambitions. This will be Satan's "antichrist", the angelic king of the abyss. The Lord will allow for his rage against an unbelieving world of humans for a short period and then He will destroy him and his human followers at Armageddon.
QUOTE (Stephen @ Sep 4 2008, 11:03 AM)
"Anti-Christ" means "against" Christ. Most humans have been and are against the Lord .... even within professing christianity. But the Bible clearly speaks of the "prince that shall come", the lawless one, the Assyrian, the little horn king of the northern Middle East, and the 1st beast of Revelation. This entity will be significantly "against " Jesus Christ and will speak great blasphemy against the only Son of God. This entity will be an individual and anyone can understand this if they have extensive knowledge of the prophetic scriptures. Many details are given regarding this entity who will do Satan's bidding on the earth at the time of the end. This will be the combination of a fallen angelic and a human, and will possess great power and destructive ambitions. This will be Satan's "antichrist", the angelic king of the abyss. The Lord will allow for his rage against an unbelieving world of humans for a short period and then He will destroy him and his human followers at Armageddon.
Amen! To the comment on anti-christ being "against" christ. It can also mean "instead of", "In place of" or even merely to put oneself "before" which is the same as against. And your right that even in professing christianity this spirit is running rampant.
QUOTE (Stephen @ Sep 4 2008, 11:03 AM)
"Anti-Christ" means "against" Christ.
This is a good dictionary definition of it. Which I agree with.
This doesn't at all help with what the Bible may define or use it as.
QUOTE (Stephen)
Most humans have been and are against the Lord .... even within professing christianity. But the Bible clearly speaks of the "prince that shall come", the lawless one,
QUOTE (Stephen)
the Assyrian,
That's not nice. Assyrians are actually Christians. Like 95-99%. And they are proud to speak the language that Jesus spoke (Neo-Aramaic, from Aramaic). That's not nice to poke fun of ethnicities.
QUOTE (Stephen)
the little horn king of the northern Middle East, and the 1st beast of Revelation. This entity will be significantly "against " Jesus Christ and will speak great blasphemy against the only Son of God. This entity will be an individual and anyone can understand this if they have extensive knowledge of the prophetic scriptures. Many details are given regarding this entity who will do Satan's bidding on the earth at the time of the end. This will be the combination of a fallen angelic and a human, and will possess great power and destructive ambitions. This will be Satan's "antichrist", the angelic king of the abyss. The Lord will allow for his rage against an unbelieving world of humans for a short period and then He will destroy him and his human followers at Armageddon.
Anyways, as far as what the dictionary says.
I also wonder if anti-Christ could mean, someone whom rejects the Jesus christ story. That is, believe he was a mortal human and not the Son of God (basically a non-believer).
Totally agreed, I don't believe it is just one person, I believe there are many anti-christs running around these days. 
Good points!
Good points!
QUOTE (WWJDtoday @ Sep 4 2008, 03:55 PM)
Totally agreed, I don't believe it is just one person, I believe there are many anti-christs running around these days. Good points!
Good points!There are many antichrist running around today..... but there is only on ANTICHRIST/SATAN- WHO IS THE ONE WHO BRINGS DESOLATION,,, THE MAN OF SIN.......
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Sep 4 2008, 02:58 PM)
There are many antichrist running around today..... but there is only on ANTICHRIST/SATAN- WHO IS THE ONE WHO BRINGS DESOLATION,,, THE MAN OF SIN.......
Satan is a man?
QUOTE (Neal @ Sep 4 2008, 04:04 PM)
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Sep 4 2008, 02:58 PM)
There are many antichrist running around today..... but there is only on ANTICHRIST/SATAN- WHO IS THE ONE WHO BRINGS DESOLATION,,, THE MAN OF SIN.......
Satan is a man?
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Was not Christ called the son of man????? gotcha
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Sep 4 2008, 03:30 PM)
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
No matter how many Bible verses you can post, Satan was not a human, he was a fallen angel.
QUOTE (Nightmare)
Was not Christ called the son of man????? gotcha
No, Christ was the son of woman, and son of God.
Or put it this way, 50% man and 50% god.
Jesus was called "Son of God" and "Son of Man".... so you both are right!
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/son-of-man.html
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First of all, even if the phrase "Son of Man" is a reference to Jesus' humanity, it is not a denial of His deity. By becoming a man, Jesus did not cease being God. The incarnation of Christ did not involve the subtraction of deity, but the addition of humanity. Jesus clearly claimed to be God on many occasions (Matthew 16:16,17; John 8:58; 10:30). But in addition to being divine, He was also human (see Philippians 2:6-8). He had two natures (divine and human) conjoined in one person.
Further, Scripture indicates that Jesus was not denying His deity by referring to Himself as the Son of Man. In fact, it is highly revealing that the term "Son of Man" is used in Scripture in contexts of Christ's deity. For example, the Bible says that only God can forgive sins (Isaiah 43:25; Mark 2:7). But as the "Son of Man," Jesus had the power to forgive sins (Mark 2:10). Likewise, Christ will return to earth as the "Son of Man" in clouds of glory to reign on earth (Matthew 26:63-64). In this passage, Jesus is citing Daniel 7:13 where the Messiah is described as the "Ancient of Days," a phrase used to indicate His deity (cf. Daniel 7:9)
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/son-of-man.html
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First of all, even if the phrase "Son of Man" is a reference to Jesus' humanity, it is not a denial of His deity. By becoming a man, Jesus did not cease being God. The incarnation of Christ did not involve the subtraction of deity, but the addition of humanity. Jesus clearly claimed to be God on many occasions (Matthew 16:16,17; John 8:58; 10:30). But in addition to being divine, He was also human (see Philippians 2:6-8). He had two natures (divine and human) conjoined in one person.
Further, Scripture indicates that Jesus was not denying His deity by referring to Himself as the Son of Man. In fact, it is highly revealing that the term "Son of Man" is used in Scripture in contexts of Christ's deity. For example, the Bible says that only God can forgive sins (Isaiah 43:25; Mark 2:7). But as the "Son of Man," Jesus had the power to forgive sins (Mark 2:10). Likewise, Christ will return to earth as the "Son of Man" in clouds of glory to reign on earth (Matthew 26:63-64). In this passage, Jesus is citing Daniel 7:13 where the Messiah is described as the "Ancient of Days," a phrase used to indicate His deity (cf. Daniel 7:9)
QUOTE (Neal @ Sep 4 2008, 03:42 PM)
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Sep 4 2008, 03:30 PM)
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
No matter how many Bible verses you can post, Satan was not a human, he was a fallen angel.
QUOTE (Nightmare)
Was not Christ called the son of man????? gotcha
No, Christ was the son of woman, and son of God.
Or put it this way, 50% man and 50% god.
Dude im getting you with word play,,,,chill,,,I know satan is a fallen angel.....You must not know me to well....
The term "anti" in Antichrist in the original, also means one coming in the place of, or a counterfiet. If one did come claiming to be God, As the son of perdition will do, is the same as denying that Jesus is the Christ. He is doing so by Placing himself at the Headship "AS GOD". According to Isaiah 14:10, this is what His ultimate goal is. He wants to "sit upon the mount of the congregation" where Christ currently Sits. He wants to be the head over the body. He will not care what it takes to get to that position, even if it means impersonating the returned messiah. Although he will never call himself "the Messiah" or "Jesus", those that will accept Him as so, will![indent][/indent] There is going to be a False messiah, an "antichrist" if you will, one coming in the place of, because certian events that occur prior to his reign will project Him to this position. What would happen if this "antiChrist" was projected to power, and accepted as the returned Messiah, after a war, one so horrific, most will have accepted it as Armageddon? This is what prophecy reveals will happen. Not only will there be a war, but an entire 7 year period, he will be able to point to, Prior to His reign, and proclaim ALL Prophecy has been fulfilled!
QUOTE (Joshleet @ Sep 4 2008, 08:01 PM)
The term "anti" in Antichrist in the original, also means one coming in the place of, or a counterfiet. If one did come claiming to be God, As the son of perdition will do, is the same as denying that Jesus is the Christ. He is doing so by Placing himself at the Headship "AS GOD". According to Isaiah 14:10, this is what His ultimate goal is. He wants to "sit upon the mount of the congregation" where Christ currently Sits. He wants to be the head over the body. He will not care what it takes to get to that position, even if it means impersonating the returned messiah. Although he will never call himself "the Messiah" or "Jesus", those that will accept Him as so, will![indent][/indent] There is going to be a False messiah, an "antichrist" if you will, one coming in the place of, because certian events that occur prior to his reign will project Him to this position. What would happen if this "antiChrist" was projected to power, and accepted as the returned Messiah, after a war, one so horrific, most will have accepted it as Armageddon? This is what prophecy reveals will happen. Not only will there be a war, but an entire 7 year period, he will be able to point to, Prior to His reign, and proclaim ALL Prophecy has been fulfilled!
What if this has already happened? I have always been inclined to think that Islam will play a great part in the end of times. They essentially reject Christ as the son of God and place Mohamed in higher regard. And with over 1billion followers they are surely being tricked and doing Satan's work.
QUOTE (FreedomPower @ Sep 6 2008, 10:50 AM)
QUOTE (Joshleet @ Sep 4 2008, 08:01 PM)
The term "anti" in Antichrist in the original, also means one coming in the place of, or a counterfiet. If one did come claiming to be God, As the son of perdition will do, is the same as denying that Jesus is the Christ. He is doing so by Placing himself at the Headship "AS GOD". According to Isaiah 14:10, this is what His ultimate goal is. He wants to "sit upon the mount of the congregation" where Christ currently Sits. He wants to be the head over the body. He will not care what it takes to get to that position, even if it means impersonating the returned messiah. Although he will never call himself "the Messiah" or "Jesus", those that will accept Him as so, will!
[/indent] There is going to be a False messiah, an "antichrist" if you will, one coming in the place of, because certian events that occur prior to his reign will project Him to this position. What would happen if this "antiChrist" was projected to power, and accepted as the returned Messiah, after a war, one so horrific, most will have accepted it as Armageddon? This is what prophecy reveals will happen. Not only will there be a war, but an entire 7 year period, he will be able to point to, Prior to His reign, and proclaim ALL Prophecy has been fulfilled!
What if this has already happened? I have always been inclined to think that Islam will play a great part in the end of times. They essentially reject Christ as the son of God and place Mohamed in higher regard. And with over 1billion followers they are surely being tricked and doing Satan's work.
QUOTE (Joshleet @ Sep 6 2008, 04:36 PM)
This brings us an understanding what the "hour of temptation" truly is! As God, He will Promise to establish his 1000 year reign. Just as Jesus said we would be co-rulers with him, The false Messiah will "divide the land for gain" and give it to his "bride" . She will be totally unaware she has Just Married the wrong bridegroom. She will be known as the great whore!! The Lord said He will return in "an hour that you think not". Absolutely, and I mean absolutely no one will be looking for the return of the Lord, if you have thought, HE HAS ALREADY RETURNED!
Exactly. The false christ comes first and the world will follow him and then....The True Saviour arrives.
There is such a thing as a spirit of antichrist, which is a demonic entity. I have personally encountered it many times. And I'm here to tell you, we have authority against this thing, and its brothers and cousins and its little doggie, too, plus the horse it rode in on!
The spirit of antichrist puffs itself up against the knowledge of Christ. It will speak against who Jesus really is, and make light of His sacrifice and blood, or ignore Him altogether.
Any time you deal with a teaching that says Jesus is no more than a prophet or a teacher, there's an antichrist spirit lurking somewhere.
When you knock Jesus down to a mere human level, even an "enlightened" one, it's easy to deify yourself. Because the original sin in the garden of eden was "you will be like God." And when you're like God, who needs a personal God who demands personal holiness and obedience? Nobody. Welcome to the world system, where men are regarded as "gods" and nobody wants to subject themselves to authority and give account of their behavior.
The sinister trip-up to that message is the fact that, born again, and one with God, there is absolutely no higher position in the universe except God Himself. The devil is making people jump through a thousand hoops to gain something God has already designed to be given for free, just by receiving the Gospel message. That is how Adam and Eve were created and designed, to rule with God, and for God to rule through them. This is why the Second Adam came.
It's the tower of Babel all over again. Meditate here, think of that, listen to your god within, we're all one with the god-force, all you have to do is plug yourself in, and other such nonsense. Blah blah blah. There are lots of different manifestations of it, but when you look closely and drill it down, it all boils down to the same thing. It's really just the devil's desire to be worshipped and obeyed (see his temptation of Jesus) and he doesn't care how many people he has to trick to get what he craves.
I'm personally still not quite sure about the whole culmination of this world view/demon/system into a specific world political figure. Supposedly, this demonic force/system is going to gain the allegiance of some man who then publicly ends up becoming a world leader, swaying the nations with promises of peace and prosperity, and ruthlessly rooting out anyone who stands against him, specifically the Jewish people and anyone who believes in the true God. Of course, whether the Church is involved at all at that point, depends on your personal interpretation, which I won't get into here.
We have had something like this happen many times already, perhaps not on a global scale, but on a national scale, through certain political figures going back thousands of years. Some say the majority of things that are mentioned in John's visions in Revelations have already happened, and were speaking of Roman emperors, specifically Diocletian (I think?) who did everything they could to blow the newly founded church to smithereens by horribly persecuting believers. Putting their face on a currency and using only that for buying and selling, completely controlling the economy of their realm of authority. And demanding to be worshipped. If you study the Old Testament and look at such kings as Nebuchadnezzar, you can see that this spirit has been around a long time, because the devil has no new tricks, does he? He just repackages them.
Others believe that most, if not all, of the events mentioned in Revelations are yet to come, especially towards the very end.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but I'm no authority on these things, merely a student.
At either rate, the core of the message is that God is in control, Jesus is who He says He is, and that God will have the last word in the end, and to not be afraid but instead remain faithful in our pursuit of God and our obedience to Him. Which I think is the point. Don't become paranoid about this antichrist demon/system/man, but focus on God instead, and resist that thing, knowing what it is and what it stands for. What can man do to us? Jesus has already conquered death and the grave, and ultimately the victory belongs to the Savior and His Bride. And regardless of what or who we believe this antichrist to be, we can certainly all agree on that. All the enemy can do is counterfeit. He knows his time is short, especially considering the fact that 1000 years are as 1 minute in God's eyes, and that we will be with the Lord forever.
The spirit of antichrist puffs itself up against the knowledge of Christ. It will speak against who Jesus really is, and make light of His sacrifice and blood, or ignore Him altogether.
Any time you deal with a teaching that says Jesus is no more than a prophet or a teacher, there's an antichrist spirit lurking somewhere.
When you knock Jesus down to a mere human level, even an "enlightened" one, it's easy to deify yourself. Because the original sin in the garden of eden was "you will be like God." And when you're like God, who needs a personal God who demands personal holiness and obedience? Nobody. Welcome to the world system, where men are regarded as "gods" and nobody wants to subject themselves to authority and give account of their behavior.
The sinister trip-up to that message is the fact that, born again, and one with God, there is absolutely no higher position in the universe except God Himself. The devil is making people jump through a thousand hoops to gain something God has already designed to be given for free, just by receiving the Gospel message. That is how Adam and Eve were created and designed, to rule with God, and for God to rule through them. This is why the Second Adam came.
It's the tower of Babel all over again. Meditate here, think of that, listen to your god within, we're all one with the god-force, all you have to do is plug yourself in, and other such nonsense. Blah blah blah. There are lots of different manifestations of it, but when you look closely and drill it down, it all boils down to the same thing. It's really just the devil's desire to be worshipped and obeyed (see his temptation of Jesus) and he doesn't care how many people he has to trick to get what he craves.
I'm personally still not quite sure about the whole culmination of this world view/demon/system into a specific world political figure. Supposedly, this demonic force/system is going to gain the allegiance of some man who then publicly ends up becoming a world leader, swaying the nations with promises of peace and prosperity, and ruthlessly rooting out anyone who stands against him, specifically the Jewish people and anyone who believes in the true God. Of course, whether the Church is involved at all at that point, depends on your personal interpretation, which I won't get into here.
We have had something like this happen many times already, perhaps not on a global scale, but on a national scale, through certain political figures going back thousands of years. Some say the majority of things that are mentioned in John's visions in Revelations have already happened, and were speaking of Roman emperors, specifically Diocletian (I think?) who did everything they could to blow the newly founded church to smithereens by horribly persecuting believers. Putting their face on a currency and using only that for buying and selling, completely controlling the economy of their realm of authority. And demanding to be worshipped. If you study the Old Testament and look at such kings as Nebuchadnezzar, you can see that this spirit has been around a long time, because the devil has no new tricks, does he? He just repackages them.
Others believe that most, if not all, of the events mentioned in Revelations are yet to come, especially towards the very end.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but I'm no authority on these things, merely a student.
At either rate, the core of the message is that God is in control, Jesus is who He says He is, and that God will have the last word in the end, and to not be afraid but instead remain faithful in our pursuit of God and our obedience to Him. Which I think is the point. Don't become paranoid about this antichrist demon/system/man, but focus on God instead, and resist that thing, knowing what it is and what it stands for. What can man do to us? Jesus has already conquered death and the grave, and ultimately the victory belongs to the Savior and His Bride. And regardless of what or who we believe this antichrist to be, we can certainly all agree on that. All the enemy can do is counterfeit. He knows his time is short, especially considering the fact that 1000 years are as 1 minute in God's eyes, and that we will be with the Lord forever.
QUOTE (Looking Up @ Sep 7 2008, 09:33 AM)
There is such a thing as a spirit of antichrist, which is a demonic entity. I have personally encountered it many times. And I'm here to tell you, we have authority against this thing, and its brothers and cousins and its little doggie, too, plus the horse it rode in on!
The spirit of antichrist puffs itself up against the knowledge of Christ. It will speak against who Jesus really is, and make light of His sacrifice and blood, or ignore Him altogether.
Any time you deal with a teaching that says Jesus is no more than a prophet or a teacher, there's an antichrist spirit lurking somewhere.
When you knock Jesus down to a mere human level, even an "enlightened" one, it's easy to deify yourself. Because the original sin in the garden of eden was "you will be like God." And when you're like God, who needs a personal God who demands personal holiness and obedience? Nobody. Welcome to the world system, where men are regarded as "gods" and nobody wants to subject themselves to authority and give account of their behavior.
The sinister trip-up to that message is the fact that, born again, and one with God, there is absolutely no higher position in the universe except God Himself. The devil is making people jump through a thousand hoops to gain something God has already designed to be given for free, just by receiving the Gospel message. That is how Adam and Eve were created and designed, to rule with God, and for God to rule through them. This is why the Second Adam came.
It's the tower of Babel all over again. Meditate here, think of that, listen to your god within, we're all one with the god-force, all you have to do is plug yourself in, and other such nonsense. Blah blah blah. There are lots of different manifestations of it, but when you look closely and drill it down, it all boils down to the same thing. It's really just the devil's desire to be worshipped and obeyed (see his temptation of Jesus) and he doesn't care how many people he has to trick to get what he craves.
I'm personally still not quite sure about the whole culmination
of this world view/demon/system into a specific world political figure.
JP-What do you make of the two "beast"s of Jesus's Revelation?
Supposedly, this demonic force/system is going to gain the allegiance of some man who then publicly ends up becoming a world leader, swaying the nations with promises of peace and prosperity, and ruthlessly rooting out anyone who stands against him, specifically the Jewish people and anyone who believes in the true God.
Of course, whether the Church is involved at all at that point,
depends on your personal interpretation, which I won't get into here.
JP-What do you make of the "Great Whore" of Jesus's Revelation ?
We have had something like this happen many times already, perhaps not on a global scale, but on a national scale, through certain political figures going back thousands of years. Some say the majority of things that are mentioned in John's visions in Revelations have already happened, and were speaking of Roman emperors, specifically Diocletian (I think?) who did everything they could to blow the newly founded church to smithereens by horribly persecuting believers. Putting their face on a currency and using only that for buying and selling, completely controlling the economy of their realm of authority. And demanding to be worshipped. If you study the Old Testament and look at such kings as Nebuchadnezzar, you can see that this spirit has been around a long time, because the devil has no new tricks, does he? He just repackages them.
Others believe that most, if not all, of the events mentioned in Revelations are yet to come, especially towards the very end. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but I'm no authority on these things, merely a student.
JP-Revelation specifies that the final "beast" has power for 42 months
and that the reign of the final "beast"s ends with the coming of Jesus in power.
Any chance this has already occured ?
At either rate, the core of the message is that God is in control, Jesus is who He says He is, and that God will have the last word in the end, and to not be afraid but instead remain faithful in our pursuit of God and our obedience to Him. Which I think is the point. Don't become paranoid about this antichrist demon/system/man, but focus on God instead, and resist that thing, knowing what it is and what it stands for. What can man do to us?
JP- "Focus on God"
The Revelation is a letter from God, through Jesus, to the "servants of Jesus".
How a person treats a letter shows what the person thinks of the sender.
Man and Satan will persuade many to worship the "beast" and his "image,
and take the "mark" and end up in a lake of fire forever.
Literate people who claimed to be believers
who for whatever reason
failed to grasp the significance of and heed
Jesus's Revelation.
Jesus has already conquered death and the grave, and ultimately the victory belongs to the Savior and His Bride. And regardless of what or who we believe this antichrist to be, we can certainly all agree on that. All the enemy can do is counterfeit. He knows his time is short, especially considering the fact that 1000 years are as 1 minute in God's eyes, and that we will be with the Lord forever.
The spirit of antichrist puffs itself up against the knowledge of Christ. It will speak against who Jesus really is, and make light of His sacrifice and blood, or ignore Him altogether.
Any time you deal with a teaching that says Jesus is no more than a prophet or a teacher, there's an antichrist spirit lurking somewhere.
When you knock Jesus down to a mere human level, even an "enlightened" one, it's easy to deify yourself. Because the original sin in the garden of eden was "you will be like God." And when you're like God, who needs a personal God who demands personal holiness and obedience? Nobody. Welcome to the world system, where men are regarded as "gods" and nobody wants to subject themselves to authority and give account of their behavior.
The sinister trip-up to that message is the fact that, born again, and one with God, there is absolutely no higher position in the universe except God Himself. The devil is making people jump through a thousand hoops to gain something God has already designed to be given for free, just by receiving the Gospel message. That is how Adam and Eve were created and designed, to rule with God, and for God to rule through them. This is why the Second Adam came.
It's the tower of Babel all over again. Meditate here, think of that, listen to your god within, we're all one with the god-force, all you have to do is plug yourself in, and other such nonsense. Blah blah blah. There are lots of different manifestations of it, but when you look closely and drill it down, it all boils down to the same thing. It's really just the devil's desire to be worshipped and obeyed (see his temptation of Jesus) and he doesn't care how many people he has to trick to get what he craves.
I'm personally still not quite sure about the whole culmination
of this world view/demon/system into a specific world political figure.
JP-What do you make of the two "beast"s of Jesus's Revelation?
Supposedly, this demonic force/system is going to gain the allegiance of some man who then publicly ends up becoming a world leader, swaying the nations with promises of peace and prosperity, and ruthlessly rooting out anyone who stands against him, specifically the Jewish people and anyone who believes in the true God.
Of course, whether the Church is involved at all at that point,
depends on your personal interpretation, which I won't get into here.
JP-What do you make of the "Great Whore" of Jesus's Revelation ?
We have had something like this happen many times already, perhaps not on a global scale, but on a national scale, through certain political figures going back thousands of years. Some say the majority of things that are mentioned in John's visions in Revelations have already happened, and were speaking of Roman emperors, specifically Diocletian (I think?) who did everything they could to blow the newly founded church to smithereens by horribly persecuting believers. Putting their face on a currency and using only that for buying and selling, completely controlling the economy of their realm of authority. And demanding to be worshipped. If you study the Old Testament and look at such kings as Nebuchadnezzar, you can see that this spirit has been around a long time, because the devil has no new tricks, does he? He just repackages them.
Others believe that most, if not all, of the events mentioned in Revelations are yet to come, especially towards the very end. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but I'm no authority on these things, merely a student.
JP-Revelation specifies that the final "beast" has power for 42 months
and that the reign of the final "beast"s ends with the coming of Jesus in power.
Any chance this has already occured ?
At either rate, the core of the message is that God is in control, Jesus is who He says He is, and that God will have the last word in the end, and to not be afraid but instead remain faithful in our pursuit of God and our obedience to Him. Which I think is the point. Don't become paranoid about this antichrist demon/system/man, but focus on God instead, and resist that thing, knowing what it is and what it stands for. What can man do to us?
JP- "Focus on God"
The Revelation is a letter from God, through Jesus, to the "servants of Jesus".
How a person treats a letter shows what the person thinks of the sender.
Man and Satan will persuade many to worship the "beast" and his "image,
and take the "mark" and end up in a lake of fire forever.
Literate people who claimed to be believers
who for whatever reason
failed to grasp the significance of and heed
Jesus's Revelation.
Jesus has already conquered death and the grave, and ultimately the victory belongs to the Savior and His Bride. And regardless of what or who we believe this antichrist to be, we can certainly all agree on that. All the enemy can do is counterfeit. He knows his time is short, especially considering the fact that 1000 years are as 1 minute in God's eyes, and that we will be with the Lord forever.
Others believe that most, if not all, of the events mentioned in Revelations are yet to come,
especially towards the very end.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle,
but I'm no authority on these things, merely a student.
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Jesus is either dead or is the living Lord.
The truth is not somewhere "in the middle."
The Revelation is from God the Father of Jesus or it is not.
The truth is not somewhere "in the middle."
The Vatican is either the "one, true holy church" or it is the "Great Whore."
The truth is not somewhere "in the middle."
Soon a man will rule the world.
Either he will be "God" or he will be the final "beast."
The truth will not be somewhere "in the middle."
especially towards the very end.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle,
but I'm no authority on these things, merely a student.
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Jesus is either dead or is the living Lord.
The truth is not somewhere "in the middle."
The Revelation is from God the Father of Jesus or it is not.
The truth is not somewhere "in the middle."
The Vatican is either the "one, true holy church" or it is the "Great Whore."
The truth is not somewhere "in the middle."
Soon a man will rule the world.
Either he will be "God" or he will be the final "beast."
The truth will not be somewhere "in the middle."
QUOTE (Looking Up @ Sep 7 2008, 09:33 AM)
There is such a thing as a spirit of antichrist, which is a demonic entity. I have personally encountered it many times. And I'm here to tell you, we have authority against this thing, and its brothers and cousins and its little doggie, too, plus the horse it rode in on!
The spirit of antichrist puffs itself up against the knowledge of Christ. It will speak against who Jesus really is, and make light of His sacrifice and blood, or ignore Him altogether.
Any time you deal with a teaching that says Jesus is no more than a prophet or a teacher, there's an antichrist spirit lurking somewhere.
When you knock Jesus down to a mere human level, even an "enlightened" one, it's easy to deify yourself. Because the original sin in the garden of eden was "you will be like God." And when you're like God, who needs a personal God who demands personal holiness and obedience? Nobody. Welcome to the world system, where men are regarded as "gods" and nobody wants to subject themselves to authority and give account of their behavior.
The sinister trip-up to that message is the fact that, born again, and one with God, there is absolutely no higher position in the universe except God Himself. The devil is making people jump through a thousand hoops to gain something God has already designed to be given for free, just by receiving the Gospel message. That is how Adam and Eve were created and designed, to rule with God, and for God to rule through them. This is why the Second Adam came.
It's the tower of Babel all over again. Meditate here, think of that, listen to your god within, we're all one with the god-force, all you have to do is plug yourself in, and other such nonsense. Blah blah blah. There are lots of different manifestations of it, but when you look closely and drill it down, it all boils down to the same thing. It's really just the devil's desire to be worshipped and obeyed (see his temptation of Jesus) and he doesn't care how many people he has to trick to get what he craves.
I'm personally still not quite sure about the whole culmination of this world view/demon/system into a specific world political figure. Supposedly, this demonic force/system is going to gain the allegiance of some man who then publicly ends up becoming a world leader, swaying the nations with promises of peace and prosperity, and ruthlessly rooting out anyone who stands against him, specifically the Jewish people and anyone who believes in the true God. Of course, whether the Church is involved at all at that point, depends on your personal interpretation, which I won't get into here.
We have had something like this happen many times already, perhaps not on a global scale, but on a national scale, through certain political figures going back thousands of years. Some say the majority of things that are mentioned in John's visions in Revelations have already happened, and were speaking of Roman emperors, specifically Diocletian (I think?) who did everything they could to blow the newly founded church to smithereens by horribly persecuting believers. Putting their face on a currency and using only that for buying and selling, completely controlling the economy of their realm of authority. And demanding to be worshipped. If you study the Old Testament and look at such kings as Nebuchadnezzar, you can see that this spirit has been around a long time, because the devil has no new tricks, does he? He just repackages them.
Others believe that most, if not all, of the events mentioned in Revelations are yet to come, especially towards the very end.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but I'm no authority on these things, merely a student.
At either rate, the core of the message is that God is in control, Jesus is who He says He is, and that God will have the last word in the end, and to not be afraid but instead remain faithful in our pursuit of God and our obedience to Him. Which I think is the point. Don't become paranoid about this antichrist demon/system/man, but focus on God instead, and resist that thing, knowing what it is and what it stands for. What can man do to us? Jesus has already conquered death and the grave, and ultimately the victory belongs to the Savior and His Bride. And regardless of what or who we believe this antichrist to be, we can certainly all agree on that. All the enemy can do is counterfeit. He knows his time is short, especially considering the fact that 1000 years are as 1 minute in God's eyes, and that we will be with the Lord forever.
The spirit of antichrist puffs itself up against the knowledge of Christ. It will speak against who Jesus really is, and make light of His sacrifice and blood, or ignore Him altogether.
Any time you deal with a teaching that says Jesus is no more than a prophet or a teacher, there's an antichrist spirit lurking somewhere.
When you knock Jesus down to a mere human level, even an "enlightened" one, it's easy to deify yourself. Because the original sin in the garden of eden was "you will be like God." And when you're like God, who needs a personal God who demands personal holiness and obedience? Nobody. Welcome to the world system, where men are regarded as "gods" and nobody wants to subject themselves to authority and give account of their behavior.
The sinister trip-up to that message is the fact that, born again, and one with God, there is absolutely no higher position in the universe except God Himself. The devil is making people jump through a thousand hoops to gain something God has already designed to be given for free, just by receiving the Gospel message. That is how Adam and Eve were created and designed, to rule with God, and for God to rule through them. This is why the Second Adam came.
It's the tower of Babel all over again. Meditate here, think of that, listen to your god within, we're all one with the god-force, all you have to do is plug yourself in, and other such nonsense. Blah blah blah. There are lots of different manifestations of it, but when you look closely and drill it down, it all boils down to the same thing. It's really just the devil's desire to be worshipped and obeyed (see his temptation of Jesus) and he doesn't care how many people he has to trick to get what he craves.
I'm personally still not quite sure about the whole culmination of this world view/demon/system into a specific world political figure. Supposedly, this demonic force/system is going to gain the allegiance of some man who then publicly ends up becoming a world leader, swaying the nations with promises of peace and prosperity, and ruthlessly rooting out anyone who stands against him, specifically the Jewish people and anyone who believes in the true God. Of course, whether the Church is involved at all at that point, depends on your personal interpretation, which I won't get into here.
We have had something like this happen many times already, perhaps not on a global scale, but on a national scale, through certain political figures going back thousands of years. Some say the majority of things that are mentioned in John's visions in Revelations have already happened, and were speaking of Roman emperors, specifically Diocletian (I think?) who did everything they could to blow the newly founded church to smithereens by horribly persecuting believers. Putting their face on a currency and using only that for buying and selling, completely controlling the economy of their realm of authority. And demanding to be worshipped. If you study the Old Testament and look at such kings as Nebuchadnezzar, you can see that this spirit has been around a long time, because the devil has no new tricks, does he? He just repackages them.
Others believe that most, if not all, of the events mentioned in Revelations are yet to come, especially towards the very end.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but I'm no authority on these things, merely a student.
At either rate, the core of the message is that God is in control, Jesus is who He says He is, and that God will have the last word in the end, and to not be afraid but instead remain faithful in our pursuit of God and our obedience to Him. Which I think is the point. Don't become paranoid about this antichrist demon/system/man, but focus on God instead, and resist that thing, knowing what it is and what it stands for. What can man do to us? Jesus has already conquered death and the grave, and ultimately the victory belongs to the Savior and His Bride. And regardless of what or who we believe this antichrist to be, we can certainly all agree on that. All the enemy can do is counterfeit. He knows his time is short, especially considering the fact that 1000 years are as 1 minute in God's eyes, and that we will be with the Lord forever.
Your another one without the integrity to either refute or concede
"anti-christ" should always be interpreted as "against" Christ
Not "instead of" or "in place of"
It is very clear in scripture that Satan's little horn/beast will acknowledge Jesus Christ, will blasphem Him and will overtly oppose Him ..... and will not pretend that he is Jesus Christ
The adherents of Islam in the Middle East are those in the visions of the Bible prophets for sure
These acknowledge Jesus Christ, but claim that He was not the Son of God, but an imposter
They are "against" Him
In this way will the little horn/beast take the same stand and this is why he will be followed and worshiped as a god by those who are "against" Jesus Christ.
Islam is the most covert "anti-christ" religion on the earth and their words and behavior reveal this truth
These same adherents are also "anti-Israel" in case one has not noticed. They hate the Lord's ethnic nation and want to destroy it
They want Jerusalem and the holy land for themselves and also falsely claim that they are the rightful owners of the promise
This stand places then "against" Jesus Christ and His ultimate purposes
These will be the very ones who kill tribulation believers by beheading who will not submit to their god
Their numbers are growing [1.3 billion on the earth today] and have exceeded the membership of the professing RCC
One is going to rise among them in the near future and lead them to their own destruction .... Satan's little horn/beast, king of the northern Middle East
But first he will martial them and will cause great destruction upon the earth including the burning of the great city of the Gentiles as noted in Revelation 17 and 18, the conquering of all of the Middle East,and the invasion and occupation of Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount.
He will defeat all opposition to his ambitions and will have control over most of the planet for 42 months
He will seek to eliminate all of humanity who will not submit and worship him, and his god [Satan]
The Lord will suddenly turn the tables on his kingdom and followers and destroy them in 30 days at the end of the tribulation period
Satan's beast and false prophet will be destroyed in the lake of fire, the beast's human followers will become bird food at Armageddon, and Satan will be tossed into the abyss for 1,000 years
The Lord will then rule the earth for the same 1,000 years from Jerusalem
Not "instead of" or "in place of"
It is very clear in scripture that Satan's little horn/beast will acknowledge Jesus Christ, will blasphem Him and will overtly oppose Him ..... and will not pretend that he is Jesus Christ
The adherents of Islam in the Middle East are those in the visions of the Bible prophets for sure
These acknowledge Jesus Christ, but claim that He was not the Son of God, but an imposter
They are "against" Him
In this way will the little horn/beast take the same stand and this is why he will be followed and worshiped as a god by those who are "against" Jesus Christ.
Islam is the most covert "anti-christ" religion on the earth and their words and behavior reveal this truth
These same adherents are also "anti-Israel" in case one has not noticed. They hate the Lord's ethnic nation and want to destroy it
They want Jerusalem and the holy land for themselves and also falsely claim that they are the rightful owners of the promise
This stand places then "against" Jesus Christ and His ultimate purposes
These will be the very ones who kill tribulation believers by beheading who will not submit to their god
Their numbers are growing [1.3 billion on the earth today] and have exceeded the membership of the professing RCC
One is going to rise among them in the near future and lead them to their own destruction .... Satan's little horn/beast, king of the northern Middle East
But first he will martial them and will cause great destruction upon the earth including the burning of the great city of the Gentiles as noted in Revelation 17 and 18, the conquering of all of the Middle East,and the invasion and occupation of Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount.
He will defeat all opposition to his ambitions and will have control over most of the planet for 42 months
He will seek to eliminate all of humanity who will not submit and worship him, and his god [Satan]
The Lord will suddenly turn the tables on his kingdom and followers and destroy them in 30 days at the end of the tribulation period
Satan's beast and false prophet will be destroyed in the lake of fire, the beast's human followers will become bird food at Armageddon, and Satan will be tossed into the abyss for 1,000 years
The Lord will then rule the earth for the same 1,000 years from Jerusalem
QUOTE (Stephen @ Sep 19 2008, 08:29 PM)
"anti-christ" should always be interpreted as "against" Christ
Not "instead of" or "in place of"
It is very clear in scripture that Satan's little horn/beast will acknowledge Jesus Christ, will blasphem Him and will overtly oppose Him ..... and will not pretend that he is Jesus Christ
The adherents of Islam in the Middle East are those in the visions of the Bible prophets for sure
These acknowledge Jesus Christ, but claim that He was not the Son of God, but an imposter
They are "against" Him
In this way will the little horn/beast take the same stand and this is why he will be followed and worshiped as a god by those who are "against" Jesus Christ.
Islam is the most covert "antichrist" religion on the earth and their words and behavior reveal this truth
These same adherents are also "anti-Israel" in case one has not noticed. They hate the Lord's ethnic nation and want to destroy it
They want Jerusalem and holy land for themselves and also falsely claim that they are the rightful owners of the promise
This stand places then "against" Jesus Christ and His ultimate purposes
These will be the very ones who kill tribulation believers by beheading who will not submit to their god
Not "instead of" or "in place of"
It is very clear in scripture that Satan's little horn/beast will acknowledge Jesus Christ, will blasphem Him and will overtly oppose Him ..... and will not pretend that he is Jesus Christ
The adherents of Islam in the Middle East are those in the visions of the Bible prophets for sure
These acknowledge Jesus Christ, but claim that He was not the Son of God, but an imposter
They are "against" Him
In this way will the little horn/beast take the same stand and this is why he will be followed and worshiped as a god by those who are "against" Jesus Christ.
Islam is the most covert "antichrist" religion on the earth and their words and behavior reveal this truth
These same adherents are also "anti-Israel" in case one has not noticed. They hate the Lord's ethnic nation and want to destroy it
They want Jerusalem and holy land for themselves and also falsely claim that they are the rightful owners of the promise
This stand places then "against" Jesus Christ and His ultimate purposes
These will be the very ones who kill tribulation believers by beheading who will not submit to their god
Gideon said,
This I disagree with Stephen. The antichrist will deceive if it were possible the very elect. The scriptures say that Satan's ministers transform themselves into ministers of rightiousness. Satan transforms himself to an angel of light. Without a doubt, Satan will attempt to deceive Jews and Christians into believing he is the Messiah, for such he desecrates the temple and claims to be God. We notice he enters the Jewish Temple wich is significant to Jews and Christians alike. Satan does not enter the Dome of the Rock. He does not need to attempt fooling Muslims, they are already dooped. Even in II Thes, we see he claims to be God, Christ by entering the Temple and making this claim.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. His opposition to God is in his claim to be God, this is blasphemy for only one can claim to be god, that is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
QUOTE (Stephen @ Sep 19 2008, 09:29 PM)
These will be the very ones who kill tribulation believers by beheading who will not submit to their god
By not submitting to Allah...you insult Islam.
I pray for the trib saints, that they use a guillotine instead of a knife.
God Bless!!
Rob
QUOTE (EOTWAWKI1961 @ Sep 20 2008, 09:12 AM)
QUOTE (Stephen @ Sep 19 2008, 09:29 PM)
These will be the very ones who kill tribulation believers by beheading who will not submit to their god
By not submitting to Allah...you insult Islam.
I pray for the trib saints, that they use a guillotine instead of a knife.
God