This is not so much a doctrinal question as much as a general point of view question

1) Were you raised christian?
2) Have you had traumatic experiences in your life that made you really consider the concept of God, or is it more of a general dispute as to the matter of truth?
3) are you more comfortable with the specific teachings of christ as opposed to the teaching as translated through other concepts of the bible as a whole (such as the old testament and the letters of Paul)?
4) Have you smoked weed in a meditative manner, not at all, or just as a partier?
5) Is your argument more against christian theology or spirituality or mysticism in general.

Thank you for your input.

dear friend greetings to you,indian atheists challenges christians for prove their GOD because many christians conducted open healing meetings in india then this group challenged them to prove their god ,if we prove can get $10,000 reward. i am servant of the lord but i cant go because i have no idea about to face them,please reply

Many christians are delusional as am I. I sincerely respect your guestion. What are you describing as "Indian Atheists". Indians with no spiritual beliefs, Sikh's, Bhuddhists, Hindus? Proving one God over another is a different matter than proving one exists at all, which to me is self evident after serious consideration of the matter. I sponsor a chld in Bangladesh, and I only hope the missionaries in that villiage know the words of christ and are not influenced by the delusional varieties in america.

If you want to show a miracle, don't do it out of pride, do it out of compassion and a deep prayer of connection to God and the recipient.

Addionaly, depending on your doctrine, I may not be the best person to answer your question. I am a new christian based soley on the teachings of christ and used to be an atheist. I have no idea what missionaries in india are propogating as around here those with the most money get their point across more effectively. I do pray the spark of christ within you overcomes any obstacle you are facing.

Pray about it if God wants you to go He will let you know(stay in the word).....But God does not play circus games for money.....

Dear Chinnam..

Take heed to Nightmare's reply..

I am praying for you..

Remember.. HE is your provider (But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.)

and

HE is your reward (...Fear not, Abram... I AM thy exceeding great reward.)

Your Sister in HIM
Cheryl aka HE IS Faithful

thank you very much sister for your reply,simply i follow jesus and i never argued with any ungogly in india because we are in minority posotion in india and fave challenges with hindus ,sikhs and budhist etc but i never afraid with them because i have jesus the saviour . thank you cheryl aka,nightmare and delusional. please pray for to save indian idolators,athiests and many more sinners.

with love
bro.chinnam naidu
mercy orphanage
india

thanks again for heisfaithful,nightmare and delusional for clear my doughts

with love
bro.chinnam naidu
mercy orphanage
india

Who gives the $10,000 reward, exactly?

And the $10,000 is split to the Christians, so that obviously is not a lot if there's 10,000 Christians (in a population of over a billion)..

10,000, A Great Number, A Myriad Of Ideas . . ., What are the references to 10,000 in the Bible ?
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=21583&hl=

Ok . . .

Chinnam . . . if 10,000 is 10% of India's believer's, as Neal so well pointed (DOT) out, then
if one dollar for each of the 10,000 believer's could be worth the HEALING
of human being's in suffering, then if the HEALING MEETINGS do not bring the proof of
God (IHVH) . . . not a million dollars, shared with 10,000 could make the infidel believe.

Heh... you said infidel.

Even infidels are creations of God.

Yes, Amen . . . mankind not believing in the proof of God (IHVH) are unbeliever's,
which are infidel's.

That does not mean, I do not respect infidel's. I have a very diverse set of contacts.



I will re-phrase the sentence to read, as follows :

. . . " not a million dollars, shared with 10,000 could make the non-believer believe " . . .



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SUMMARY


All these pathways are teaching universal wisdom of a single point, the DOT, the prime number and the `Alpha-Omega`.


The creation story of Genesis, includes scientific equations, not understood without sacred geometry. The Sovereignty of God (IHVH), reigns. Each assigned mission is a calling unto His Glory being established. Salvation does not require a knowledge of science.

However, the knowledge of science, can construct a pathway straight to the throne of `The Almighty God (IHVH)`.

Without the infinity, limitless equations of science, some believer’s in the Sovereignty of God (IHVH) would have remained dogmatic infidel’s, hiding under the umbrella of evolution.

The Agnostic and Atheist with a breathe remaining, can be converted through holistic study of sacred geometry. Salvation through Jesus (888), the Messiah(888), embraces the parallel’s between science and religion.

thank you for all friends, we are living in south india and my state andhrapradesh state, some big missionaries conduct the great healing crusades and they says they have healing gift from GOD,OK i understand the situation, some are coming there for healing,word of god and to see etc but some are healed by them and withnessed ofter meetings, but atheists always challenges to " who prove GOD or DEVIL can get reward of 10,000 dollars. how can we prove them god and our GOD not like hindus god like idol,because we never show them, any religion never show their devils to them.this is the situation.

I believe there is a distinction to be made between dealing with a Hindu and dealing with an atheist. Either way I pray your receive the wisdom and understanding to deal with any situation presented to you. Trust in God, lean on the lord, and walk in his ways. He doesnt demand any more from you. Be free in the grace and loving kindness of our father. Whatever happens happens. He lives through us all. have faith in him and don't worry about what others expect of you. I was an atheist once.

Namaste

it is wonderful delusional, your advise is most valuable. we follow jesus and his teachings because we never afraid for atheists or hindus in india. we simply care for children in my mercy orphanage,please pray for the activities in india,importantly children ans old in orphanage.

namaste
bro.chinnam naidu
mercy orphanage
india

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However, the knowledge of science, can construct a pathway straight to the throne of `The Almighty God (IHVH)`.

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I can't seem to figure out the (IHVH)

yes you are correct and who can show him to all?

Shekel can.

HOW ?

God is real, isn't he?

Nevermind, I googled IHVH and found the answer.

Please define God, is, real, isn't, and he please.

Thanks

Dictionary.com.

I don't see how your and my definition have to be different.

Then the answer is yes

Yes, Chinnam Naidu.

thank you neal

No.



The latter.



Sure. Everyone with half a brain is horrified by the barbarism, racism, sexism and the condoning of slavery, genocide etc. in the OT.

I know many atheists who like Jesus in at least half his moods.
I am not one of them.

It is probably in bad taste for me to say what I really think of Jesus, but if you think you have the theological fortitude to hear it I'll be happy to tell you why I don't like that guy at all.



I smoked weed for pleasure but also in a 'meditative manner' ( bad idea, by the way)



My dislike for everything woo-woo is general.
I loath all the various forms of stultifying nonsense with equal fervor.

V.

Vis- It is probably in bad taste for me to say what I really think of Jesus,
but if you think you have the theological fortitude to hear it
I'll be happy to tell you why I don't like that guy at all.


OK - Why do you dislike Jesus ?

Yes, please expand on this. I am not a theologeon so you are not likely to offend me.

Please also expand on why you think meditative use is not a good idea as compared to pleasurable use if you don't mind. I did both. They were taken from me by force and not by choice. Other than some tangents of thought that would seem blaspemous or heretical to a believer, I'm having a hard time trying to think of why an atheist using it meditatively would think that not a good idea unless it challenged their atheist beliefs. Are you a regular atheist or a buddhist?

Thank You

Didn't Jesus tell us to follow the Tanakh?

He also said those who rely on the law will be judged by the law.

36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart
and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b]
38This is the first and greatest commandment.
39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c]

40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

John 13:34
"A new command I give you: Love one another.
As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

Romans 13:10
Love does no harm to its neighbor.
Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

I see you're not capable of answering my question.

Wonderful logic.

Sorry, but it's a common fallacy to avoid arguments. The good news is only good if you ignore the bad news. If you ignore the bad news that comes with the good news, then of course it's good news.

A Christian is someone whom looks at 1 side of the story than both sides of the story, another fallacy, among other things.

I'll answer the question Neal. Yes! Jesus did tell us to observe the law! But the law is spiritual and we have well proven how carnal we can be.

Jesus said "All that the scribes and Pharisees bid you to observe, that observe and do. But do not after their manner for they say and do not."

Jesus also said "Verily I say unto you not one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fufilled."

"All" meaning "all" that is written in the law, the prophets, the writings, and the psalms."

There is nothing more erroneous than a person of the believing circumcision demanding that a Gentile believer observe part and parcel his customs as a precursor to acceptance in the beloved. Likewise there is nothing more foolish and unlearned than a Gentile to sit in judgment over a people to whom the oracles of God were commited. The word of Yah is very clear. Understanding is the issue and it will never come looking at something with one eye.

You can't become something you are not. Peter tried to play the hippocrite in this fashion and was rebuked by Paul for so doing.

Today we have Gentiles trying to be what they think is "Jewish". How about being what you were called in and grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ?
Understanding is a wellspring of life to them that have it. People need to read The book of 1 Corinthians chapters 5,7,11)
Righteousness is the foundation for observing and doing the commandments of God. You can't get it (righteousness) from the law, but your righteousness isn't worth a thing unless it observes, honors, and fufills the law.

Rom 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves":

Paul taught the Corinthians to keep the feast of Passover in 1 Corinthians 11, so was paul advocating the keeping of the law for the Corinthians.
THe Sabbath, the feasts..etc were never even an issue because this was taught from the beginning.

You were answered. Maybe you are not satisfied [much less in agreement] with the answer, but you were answered.

Jesus didn't just say "follow the Tanakh".

Jesus taught, and embodied and provided ultimate example of fulfillment of the Tanakh [law and prophets].

John 13:34
"A new command I give you: Love one another.
As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

Romans 13:10
Love does no harm to its neighbor.
Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Neal, come out come out wherever you are !

1) Were you raised christian?
Yes, my parents raised me to be a Christian, but I went my own way.

2) Have you had traumatic experiences in your life that made you really consider the concept of God, or is it more of a general dispute as to the matter of truth?
I've had a few times where I've considered the concept of God. But never really believed in the idea.

3) are you more comfortable with the specific teachings of christ as opposed to the teaching as translated through other concepts of the bible as a whole (such as the old testament and the letters of Paul)?
Not sure.

4) Have you smoked weed in a meditative manner, not at all, or just as a partier?
I've smoked it as a partier from age 11 to 14. But, I've quit. :]
What does weed have to do with religion tho?

5) Is your argument more against christian theology or spirituality or mysticism in general.
Hmm, not quite sure.

Because it has spiritual value. It can make you look introspectively at some of the things you do and the reasons behind them. It can also lead to changes of perspective or at least deeper consideration of the perspectives of others.

Thank you for your response

warning to Atheists run for the hills this delusional is very warped in the way he thinks he calls him self a christian but is in support of legalizing marijuna you can work this out your self by what i have left hear


Delusional does not even under stand what forgivness means he seems to think that i should be put to death by what i use to do when i was a sinner

see paul once persecuted the church and when he encountered jesus he bacame a changed man but people feared paul and i think i said this to another member should then paul have been put to death as we have proffesing christians looking to the old laws with out looking at what christ did for us on the cross


i use to be an Atheist my self i use to mock god i am also from a war torn country

dont let Delusional lead you astray by what he is asking you to respond to their are more gifted christians on this forum that can do a more better job


i asked delusional to show me from the old testament as he thinks god introduced marijuana to us

i know the indians in america were smoking marijuna


delusional should be calling him self doubter

hay vissarion were are you bro you would have fun with delusional he needs to be brought back to reality and i feel you are the right one to do this vissarion

i dont like playing with little boys but this little boy vissarion needs some one like you to bring him back to earth

i dont think you would handle our forum Atheist vissarion delusional


since its your election time will you tel mac cain and obama to legalize marijuana obama supports abortion and i can give you a big list of what obama supports may be delusional you should become a muslim as ther ideas are just as warped as your ideas


catch you on the flip side judge delusional or may be in hell when god decides its time to judge us

hay can you tel me oh holy one when god is going to judge the world ?

i am agianst legalizing marijuana and i wil dob a drug dealer into the police i use to deal my self but since i am a christian i dont turn a blind eye as i use to when i was a sinner

so how is marijuana going to bring you closser to god ? hay are you seeing mario or donkey kong in your living room ? or does a pink elephant pop up in your living room whoes voice is talking to you delusional

this is how you de rail a thread with out respecting the op or taking the time to read what the op is asking for members to respond to hay may be i should send the cyber police to this topic off yours


devils child damo signing off

you googled so does that mean you trust the sites on the inter net more than ussing your brain Delusional ?

may be you need some of that wacky green stuff to get you closser to god


i used it to meditate and i used it to contac the spirit world when i was involved in the occult i also used it with my first girl friend great for sex but the munchies not so good every time you smoke marijuana you end up raiding the fridge or calling out take out like pizza and kfc

i then started shooting up herrion and speed and coccaine this helped reduce the golden munchies and kept my weight down

ice sends you crazy you think you are invinsible and no one can touch you my best friend comming down from ice killed a young guy who was only 25yrs old she thought he was holding out and i can tel you his parents and the town dont want her back when she gets out she wil be an old women my friend is 29yrs old she was charged for murder when she was 27yrs old her 12yr old daughter wants nothing to do with her mother


so anything else you want to know Judge Delusional like why we should not legalize marijuana or why we should support those who agree that marijuana should be legalized

when i was smacked of my mind after having 15 cones i would go crazy and i was very violent i would drive unregistard cars into the city i would also steel cars if we missed the last train

so are you Delusional in support of Marijuana if so i want to hear your argument for support of marijuana and why you think it should be legalized since alcahol and tabaco is legal and no one is doing nothing to were alcahol is banned from being sold


go for a walk into your local cemetry and have a look at the tomb stones look close at what is said over the young ones

i burried 7 close friends last mate 41yrs old my best friend who went through william booth with me graduated and was found dead with a needle in his arm his wife was a salvation army officer the church was not far from were i was living before i decided it was time to adress my addictions


mad croation signing off

ah so you had it taken of you by force who took it off you by force Delusional did you get busted delusional ? and god was your last resort not to be sent to jail for the amount that was taken off you yet you are having a hard time why an atheist ussing it meditatively would think that its not a good idea read in between the lines to figure out what vissarion is saying in his responce to this pathetic thread of yours Delusional

and you have the nerve to dish me because i am against dealers and wanting stricter laws in Australia like what china and singapore and Bali and the philippines have

i think god has not shown you how seriouse of a sin it is and i think you need to be shown your sin for what it is to understand were i am comming from and you think i am a hypocrite because i use to deal and smoke it my self

at least i have the balls to admit openly that i had stuffed up Delusional and know i tend to be an advocate were its kept of the streets for good and not end up in our schools and destroy so many young lives






DELUSIONAL WERE ARE YOU




Damo

question brother,

Are they really Christians who are doing the healing in Jesus name ?

Satan did what he is suppose to do and that is to test the faith of those calling on Jesus name?

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Are they really Christians?

The healing starts with the understanding of God's word

Mt 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Acts 28:27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

A spiritual healing must happens first, then the physical healing will come later.

Paul wrote

Rm 10v8-14

8: But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10: For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11: For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12: For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14: How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15: And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16: But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17: So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

How do you face them? do as Jesus did, when he faced Satan

Mt 4v4-10

1: Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2: And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3: And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

4: But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

5: Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

6: And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7: Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

8: Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9: And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

10: Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

11: Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Jesus and Satan went to battle with the Word of God using the OT to be exact, but we have both testaments, and this is how you prove God exist.

open up the bible and read.

we have Paul saying

2Tm 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

open up the bible and tell those false prophets or Idol worshipers bring it on.

1)Yes
2)It was more of me being curious than anything. I was interested in religion ate the time, and while exploring different religions I stumbled upon the Atheism vs. Theism debate.
3)I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. Ill try my best, though. I like the stories of Christ in the bible, I like the ten commandments, I do not like the treatment of women, the support of slavery, the children being eaten by bears, etc.
4)All atheists MUST be weed-smokin', no good drug dealin', people haters!
No.
5)More against religion in general. I don't have a problem with it, but I think the world would be better and more peaceful without it.

Damo, your so cute when your mad

Thank you for your response

2) for me, there were 2 things that really made me reconsider what I was taught growing up: 1) since night and day were created before the sun and stars. 2) The tower of babel considering we have sent spaceships up without incident.

3) Those are the parts Christ affirmed (the parts you like)

4) I know you are being sarcastic, but being hater is a spiritually unhealthy way to be. I am assuming by your response you are a user so that being given, have you felt your spirit? do you believe you have one?

5) I don't disagree with you. Those using violence in the name of religion are disallusioned. Christ is the prince of peace. Jerusalem was occupied by Rome during the time of Christ. There is not one single sermon about violent resistance that he gave as a human.

Delusional your replys to me are a joke it shows me just by what you leave me you would rather have drug dealers hanging around schools dealing and destroying innocent lives

sydney and in many parts of australia has what you call threw your free local paper dob in a drug dealer you dont need to leave your name all you have to do is say who is doing the dealing give details like adres or wher they hang out and the reply is paid for by the police

its working well

so i suggest you stop your whinning by the responces you leav me it shows me you are still in the world



Damo