I see alot of Pastors, deacons who are Christians and are remarried when there original spouce has not died. From what I see in 1Timothy 3:2 a Christian who divorces then remarries does not have the right to be a Pastor anymore. In other words if you remarry you forfeit your right to hold that position. As you can see God keeps count how many spouces we have had when he spoke to the woman at the well.
1Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach. . . . Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well
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Not to mention, that it causes the original spouse/wife, to become an adulteress, if she marries another man while her husband is still living.
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In His Love,
Suzanne
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Suzanne
Remember if they repent then it is washed away.....
Jesus gave his famous "except fot the cause of adultery" speech to Jews under law...and even under law they were allowed to divorce "because of the hardness of your hearts."
I am a divorced and remarried man and I am not under condemnation. It is not the unforgiveable sin. If we were to realize our entire sinful flesh we would cringe in fear for the knowledge of it. You speak of a particular sin as if it has preminence...when scripture says all sin is worthy of death...and there are sins we commit and never have a clue...so do you take the blood of Christ as absolution for all sin or do you say thus and so is not under the blood? Fools and blind that struggle over a gnat and swallow a camel. There is no list of sins that one must check off to see which brings a greater condemnation. One sin not covered by Him is going to buy you the ticket to the hot house. But He died for all sin so let us not make an appeal against His own will and to our predjudice. You can be the husband of one wife and be divorced...the scripture refers to a time when men had several living wives.
I am a divorced and remarried man and I am not under condemnation. It is not the unforgiveable sin. If we were to realize our entire sinful flesh we would cringe in fear for the knowledge of it. You speak of a particular sin as if it has preminence...when scripture says all sin is worthy of death...and there are sins we commit and never have a clue...so do you take the blood of Christ as absolution for all sin or do you say thus and so is not under the blood? Fools and blind that struggle over a gnat and swallow a camel. There is no list of sins that one must check off to see which brings a greater condemnation. One sin not covered by Him is going to buy you the ticket to the hot house. But He died for all sin so let us not make an appeal against His own will and to our predjudice. You can be the husband of one wife and be divorced...the scripture refers to a time when men had several living wives.
I disagree, if you are a Pastor you are suppose to set the standard to live by. If the Pastor can't get it right how is he suppose to teach others?
Yes there is forgivness for are sins, but losing a position ordained by God has nothing to do with forgivness. Paul was a murdered but he was not a christian when he persactued the church. Once Christ opened his eyes to was given a clean slate with God so he could minister for God. However Paul did not go back to his old ways so he never lost his position with God once he was saved.
Yes there is forgivness for are sins, but losing a position ordained by God has nothing to do with forgivness. Paul was a murdered but he was not a christian when he persactued the church. Once Christ opened his eyes to was given a clean slate with God so he could minister for God. However Paul did not go back to his old ways so he never lost his position with God once he was saved.
get real pastors are human and to read the last responce i disagree with unstable christians who tend to just place topics like this in forums to wear they just cause greive
its like the law abyding christians who tend to stick to the law and then expect everyone else to agree with them
hay i am a divorced man should i stay single till my x wife passes away ?
i know of pastors who have had wifes also cheat on them and i have a close friend who went threw this
so before tsth and jeff joseph start saying its wrong think before you say something
if they repent its not your buisness who these pastors marry
hay my fiancee is a single pastor she is marrying some one who has been divorced and she does not judge me for what happend in my marraige
i will also say this if you cal your self a true christian set the standards instead of comming on to forums like this and saying what you feel pastors should be doing
he who has no sin let him throw the first stone well
i married a non believer i did not marry a christian and my friend his wife started an afair with another member behind his back this afair went on for 3yrs before he found out
so before you go placing topics like this think hard other wise expect to be questioned really al i see hear is judging and pointing instead of looking at your sin and dealing with what should be dealt with
no one is perfect and inspired said some things that you should go over i suggest you go over and not just look at what paul had to say but get some understanding of the people paul was adressing and why he said what he said
what a pastor deakon or elder does is no ones concern his private life is also non of your concern you only have him for half an hour do you tell the pastors you know you pray over them do you tell them its ok to be human instead of looking at what they should be and how they should be setting examples
as i said if you cal your self a true christian do you set the standards in your home and were you work ? its so easy to say this in forums like this but when it comes to the real world do we set standards and then stick to gods word or do we tend to brake his commandments and only set the standards when we see fit
God bless from damo
its like the law abyding christians who tend to stick to the law and then expect everyone else to agree with them
hay i am a divorced man should i stay single till my x wife passes away ?
i know of pastors who have had wifes also cheat on them and i have a close friend who went threw this
so before tsth and jeff joseph start saying its wrong think before you say something
if they repent its not your buisness who these pastors marry
hay my fiancee is a single pastor she is marrying some one who has been divorced and she does not judge me for what happend in my marraige
i will also say this if you cal your self a true christian set the standards instead of comming on to forums like this and saying what you feel pastors should be doing
he who has no sin let him throw the first stone well
i married a non believer i did not marry a christian and my friend his wife started an afair with another member behind his back this afair went on for 3yrs before he found out
so before you go placing topics like this think hard other wise expect to be questioned really al i see hear is judging and pointing instead of looking at your sin and dealing with what should be dealt with
no one is perfect and inspired said some things that you should go over i suggest you go over and not just look at what paul had to say but get some understanding of the people paul was adressing and why he said what he said
what a pastor deakon or elder does is no ones concern his private life is also non of your concern you only have him for half an hour do you tell the pastors you know you pray over them do you tell them its ok to be human instead of looking at what they should be and how they should be setting examples
as i said if you cal your self a true christian do you set the standards in your home and were you work ? its so easy to say this in forums like this but when it comes to the real world do we set standards and then stick to gods word or do we tend to brake his commandments and only set the standards when we see fit
God bless from damo
QUOTE (Jeff Joseph @ Aug 20 2008, 02:58 PM) 
I disagree, if you are a Pastor you are suppose to set the standard to live by. If the Pastor can't get it right how is he suppose to teach others?
Yes there is forgivness for are sins, but losing a position ordained by God has nothing to do with forgivness. Paul was a murdered but he was not a christian when he persactued the church. Once Christ opened his eyes to was given a clean slate with God so he could minister for God. However Paul did not go back to his old ways so he never lost his position with God once he was saved.
Yes there is forgivness for are sins, but losing a position ordained by God has nothing to do with forgivness. Paul was a murdered but he was not a christian when he persactued the church. Once Christ opened his eyes to was given a clean slate with God so he could minister for God. However Paul did not go back to his old ways so he never lost his position with God once he was saved.
I have met pastors who were in the world and divorced and then became Christian and were called to be a pastor...go figure...
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Paul did not go back to his old ways so he never lost his position with God once he was saved.
Paul was a batchelor...what does that have to do with this? There are any number of things that can occur to a man in ministry that causes calamity. If he was not in open sin as a cause to a divorce then he is OK in my books. Some pastors wives leave them because they turn against God (the wives) I have seen this also...you cannot pigeonhole anyone in this area...there are too many variables and who are you or I to judge another man's forunes or misfortunes?J am 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of [his] brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
thats right it puzzles me to why people like putting up what paul said with out seeing why he said what he said and yes paul was a batchler he lived out his life a single man
what gets up my nose its so easy to find faults in our pastors and put up topics such as this with out really looking at what we harbour and hold on to
god knows were we are at and he knows each one off us he also sees the hidden sins we try to cover and i bet jeff if the holy spirit were to lay all your sins in front of you and say jeff joseph its time to deal with this what wil you say will you repent or wil you keep placing stupid topics like this in this forum were you try to find faults in men who are also human and from time to time they wil make a mistake
do we cover our leaders or do we place expectations on them and if we are to place these expectations on them wil you your self jeff abide by what paul says in the new testament remember paul preached from the old testment jesus did not judge those who heard him preach in the villages he found him self in
jesus had a good go at the pharisees and sadducees for a reason
hear is my challange to you jeff joseph take a look at why paul said what he said in the epistles he wrote
paul was also an educated man compared to the disciples he also sat under a rabbi and for 3yrs he did not preach
there was one group who studied what paul preached if we tend to be zealous for the law and look to what paul said are you willing to let go and forgive thos that hurt you
i see more to what you might be leaving us jeff joseph your past is a rocky one and their is pain that you are holding onto
so please dont go pointing the finger at our pastors and say its wrong for pastors to re marry
as i said what they do is none of your concern its time you focus on what god is asking you to deal with jeff joseph
are you saying cause you are single and have no one that pastors should follow gods commands ? i know certain christians that love to give lip service and avoid following his commandments
going threw a divorce jeff joseph is not as easy as many seem to think especialy when there are kids involved parents these days use kids as pawns to get what they want from their spouce i went threw this when i was going for acsess i have an 11yr old boy i did not have no contact what so ever with my son my son was 3yrs old when my wife decided it was time to leave me
only know do i have this contact my son is 11yrs old we are strangers i have to earn his trust and i can tell you he asks the hard questions i dont even expect my son to call me dad
i stayed single for 6yrs while i was told that my x wife had seen sevral diffrent guys
we have forgiven each other and moved on
i know two pastors who are still having to go threw the family law court thes guys have not had no contact with their kids
one friend left his church he was pastoring not one person supported him he got a letter saying your services are no longer needed you have 5 months to find your self a new home his wife had an afair behind his back with a deakon the poor guy did not even know she was doing this when he said he was divorcing his wife not one person said can we help
so you figure it out jeff should this guy have a right to move on if his wife did this too him or should he listen to paul ?
damo
what gets up my nose its so easy to find faults in our pastors and put up topics such as this with out really looking at what we harbour and hold on to
god knows were we are at and he knows each one off us he also sees the hidden sins we try to cover and i bet jeff if the holy spirit were to lay all your sins in front of you and say jeff joseph its time to deal with this what wil you say will you repent or wil you keep placing stupid topics like this in this forum were you try to find faults in men who are also human and from time to time they wil make a mistake
do we cover our leaders or do we place expectations on them and if we are to place these expectations on them wil you your self jeff abide by what paul says in the new testament remember paul preached from the old testment jesus did not judge those who heard him preach in the villages he found him self in
jesus had a good go at the pharisees and sadducees for a reason
hear is my challange to you jeff joseph take a look at why paul said what he said in the epistles he wrote
paul was also an educated man compared to the disciples he also sat under a rabbi and for 3yrs he did not preach
there was one group who studied what paul preached if we tend to be zealous for the law and look to what paul said are you willing to let go and forgive thos that hurt you
i see more to what you might be leaving us jeff joseph your past is a rocky one and their is pain that you are holding onto
so please dont go pointing the finger at our pastors and say its wrong for pastors to re marry
as i said what they do is none of your concern its time you focus on what god is asking you to deal with jeff joseph
are you saying cause you are single and have no one that pastors should follow gods commands ? i know certain christians that love to give lip service and avoid following his commandments
going threw a divorce jeff joseph is not as easy as many seem to think especialy when there are kids involved parents these days use kids as pawns to get what they want from their spouce i went threw this when i was going for acsess i have an 11yr old boy i did not have no contact what so ever with my son my son was 3yrs old when my wife decided it was time to leave me
only know do i have this contact my son is 11yrs old we are strangers i have to earn his trust and i can tell you he asks the hard questions i dont even expect my son to call me dad
i stayed single for 6yrs while i was told that my x wife had seen sevral diffrent guys
we have forgiven each other and moved on
i know two pastors who are still having to go threw the family law court thes guys have not had no contact with their kids
one friend left his church he was pastoring not one person supported him he got a letter saying your services are no longer needed you have 5 months to find your self a new home his wife had an afair behind his back with a deakon the poor guy did not even know she was doing this when he said he was divorcing his wife not one person said can we help
so you figure it out jeff should this guy have a right to move on if his wife did this too him or should he listen to paul ?
damo
This discussion weighs heavy on my heart because of my family history and I wanted to add my two cents, but I wanted to have a sound argument, not just a sentimental one. So, I appealed to God. I asked him, show me what this verse actually means, because I do not believe that it means what this guy thinks it means. What did God show me?
He said go back and look at the whole reference.
According to the Apostle Paul, in the 1st book of Timothy, a person desiring to be a pastor should....
1. Be one whose life cannot be spoken against
2. husband of one wife
3. self-controled
4. ENJOY having guests in HIS home
5. Be able ( capable) to teach
6. Be gentle
7. Be one who does not LOVE MONEY
8. and finaly have obedient and well mannered children, because if a man cannot even manage his own household,
then how can he manage God's
what does the church need less of? OCD christians using bits and pieces of scripture to 'Monk out' about the splinters in other christian's eyes while being blind to the verses that could illuminate the beams in their own eyes.
Why this issue gets to me.....
When my Uncle JH shipped out to serve in the Korean conflict, he was in love with the girl next door. When he got back home, 3 facts greeted him.
1. His beloved had married someone else.
2. This someone else had subsequently murdered Uncle JH's beloved.
3. His beloved's 14 year old sister , through her sisiter's death, had gotten the courage to take her own infant daughter and divorce her PHYSICALLY abusive hysband.
What did JH do? He married his Beloved's sister and adopted her baby daughter.
The people later in his life would never know this child was not his own. She was treated exactly like the girls that God blessed him with over the years.
Uncle JH was and is a mighty man of God. Even though he made his career in the military he used his private time to become an amazing self-taught Bible scholar.
JH felt the powerful draw on him to preach the Gospel. But unfortunately he was a memeber of a group that not only forbade him to preach from a pulpit, but also to teach even so much as a children's Sunday School class.
JH didn't languish, he didn't pout, or cause a scene, He used his time to grow closer to the Lord. To this day, I have never met a man so close to God in relationship nor in appearance.
So, who lost out here? The church he attended for all those years, is a do nothing as good as dead church. There is no light there showing the way to the savior. There is no one there to pick up JH's mantle because he was not allowed to be the Elijah that God intended for him to be for that congregation. Talk about Spiritual Abortion!
So.....Back to the top of the page. Can you name even one pastor who can live up to these qualifications? ONE! NO, but thanks be to the Grace of God available to us through the completed works of Jesus. You can rest, You can minister. and You can be free to see God work in your life without being perfect in yourself. Why? Because he is perfect and he is able to deliver us to the father through his own merits, NOT ours!
The rest of the story....
JH finaly left that church and found a place where he could minister. Many lives were enriched and strengthened because of the word that he was able to deliver to them from God.
My sweet, gentle, Godly Aunt went on to her reward 12 years ago. Uncle JH remarried a widow, and is still a blessing to his family and church.
My own side of this is.... The guy that I dated who was most like my own sanctimonius Father broke my heart. The guy that I dated who was most like my Uncle JH...well we've been happily married for 22 years and have 4 children. I know that I picked the right role model. Who are you going to pick?
Paula
He said go back and look at the whole reference.
According to the Apostle Paul, in the 1st book of Timothy, a person desiring to be a pastor should....
1. Be one whose life cannot be spoken against
2. husband of one wife
3. self-controled
4. ENJOY having guests in HIS home
5. Be able ( capable) to teach
6. Be gentle
7. Be one who does not LOVE MONEY
8. and finaly have obedient and well mannered children, because if a man cannot even manage his own household,
then how can he manage God's
what does the church need less of? OCD christians using bits and pieces of scripture to 'Monk out' about the splinters in other christian's eyes while being blind to the verses that could illuminate the beams in their own eyes.
Why this issue gets to me.....
When my Uncle JH shipped out to serve in the Korean conflict, he was in love with the girl next door. When he got back home, 3 facts greeted him.
1. His beloved had married someone else.
2. This someone else had subsequently murdered Uncle JH's beloved.
3. His beloved's 14 year old sister , through her sisiter's death, had gotten the courage to take her own infant daughter and divorce her PHYSICALLY abusive hysband.
What did JH do? He married his Beloved's sister and adopted her baby daughter.
The people later in his life would never know this child was not his own. She was treated exactly like the girls that God blessed him with over the years.
Uncle JH was and is a mighty man of God. Even though he made his career in the military he used his private time to become an amazing self-taught Bible scholar.
JH felt the powerful draw on him to preach the Gospel. But unfortunately he was a memeber of a group that not only forbade him to preach from a pulpit, but also to teach even so much as a children's Sunday School class.
JH didn't languish, he didn't pout, or cause a scene, He used his time to grow closer to the Lord. To this day, I have never met a man so close to God in relationship nor in appearance.
So, who lost out here? The church he attended for all those years, is a do nothing as good as dead church. There is no light there showing the way to the savior. There is no one there to pick up JH's mantle because he was not allowed to be the Elijah that God intended for him to be for that congregation. Talk about Spiritual Abortion!
So.....Back to the top of the page. Can you name even one pastor who can live up to these qualifications? ONE! NO, but thanks be to the Grace of God available to us through the completed works of Jesus. You can rest, You can minister. and You can be free to see God work in your life without being perfect in yourself. Why? Because he is perfect and he is able to deliver us to the father through his own merits, NOT ours!
The rest of the story....
JH finaly left that church and found a place where he could minister. Many lives were enriched and strengthened because of the word that he was able to deliver to them from God.
My sweet, gentle, Godly Aunt went on to her reward 12 years ago. Uncle JH remarried a widow, and is still a blessing to his family and church.
My own side of this is.... The guy that I dated who was most like my own sanctimonius Father broke my heart. The guy that I dated who was most like my Uncle JH...well we've been happily married for 22 years and have 4 children. I know that I picked the right role model. Who are you going to pick?
Paula
QUOTE (Jeff Joseph @ Aug 19 2008, 05:01 PM)
I see alot of Pastors, deacons who are Christians and are remarried when there original spouce has not died. From what I see in 1Timothy 3:2 a Christian who divorces then remarries does not have the right to be a Pastor anymore. In other words if you remarry you forfeit your right to hold that position. As you can see God keeps count how many spouces we have had when he spoke to the woman at the well.
1Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach. . . . Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well
1Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach. . . . Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well
That true, and can you imagine every time man puts a way his wife except it be for fornication, and someone
else married her that person commit adultery.Its a lot of remarrying going around.
Matthew ch19: 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Aug 21 2008, 02:38 AM)
QUOTE (Jeff Joseph @ Aug 19 2008, 05:01 PM)
I see alot of Pastors, deacons who are Christians and are remarried when there original spouce has not died. From what I see in 1Timothy 3:2 a Christian who divorces then remarries does not have the right to be a Pastor anymore. In other words if you remarry you forfeit your right to hold that position. As you can see God keeps count how many spouces we have had when he spoke to the woman at the well.
1Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach. . . . Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well
1Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach. . . . Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well
That true, and can you imagine every time man puts a way his wife except it be for fornication, and someone
else married her that person commit adultery.Its a lot of remarrying going around.
Matthew ch19: 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Bro tan
instead of looking at what paul said and what jeff joseph put up and agreeing take a deep look at the scripture jeff joseph put up to see why paul said what he said
i have seen topics like this come up to were some one has a gripe
pastors are human bro tan pastors wil make mistakes bro tan just like you and just like i will and just like my fiancee who is a female pastor
its not true if we are going to be zealous and just go by what paul said and what the law says if you are going to go by this be ready to be also judged
if you were to find your self in such a situation what wil you do ?
women have a free will guys have a free will
women fal to the same temptations as us guys do
i am doing a course called valiant man we are discussing sexuality and what the bible has to say
jesus is our role model but today its a taboo and not many men tend to talk openly to their pastors about what they are strugling with
put your self in a pastors shoes would you be able to live to these standards ?
i too use to judge pastors harshly i no longer do this why god heard my prayer and placed a single pastor in my path
my x wife married a youth pastor he is 41 she is 39
when i married my wife she was a non beliver i found out she was a jehova wittness my wife began to question what they were preaching and found it hard to accept what they had to say when she questioned her own mother and the elders she came home one day from school to find her bags packed and was told never to come home she was x communicated bro tan
i asked my x wife to forgive me for what i did to her and she asked me to forgive her for the way she behaved towards me we have a good friend ship but thats it we are better of as friends their is no love between us what so ever even what i felt when i first met my wife
she is happy with her new husband i am hapy with the women God has given me
its so easy to lay these burdens on our pastors what i also have observed not many christians wil come up to there pastors and say hay its ok to be human we are standing in the gap for you
i know why jeff joseph put what he put in his post that is why i am getting involved in this topic
why say we should up hold this law if you tend to agree by what jeff joseph has layed out can you then abide by this if you ever find your self in a situation were your partner wants out and wants divorce ?
no use looking at one verse with out seeing why paul said what he said he also was a single man never had the desire to settle down with a women so why look to what this man had to say with out doing some re search ?
God bless from damo
dear friends if a pastors wife passes away, then he want to re marry.....it is good idea, bible agree this to re marry a pastor or a believer.
GOD BLESS YOU
Bro.chinnam naidu
GOD BLESS YOU
Bro.chinnam naidu
Well just why did I post this topic damo if you know so much about me? I posted this topic for this reason.
There is a Pastor in my town name John Gilbertson, Now this man has not done his job and he was not there for me when I needed a Holy man to talk to. Then I find out both this man and his wife were both born again christians when they married there first spouces. They both divorced and remarried eachother which the bible makes clear is sin. Now God would rather have people remarry then to burn with desire but when remarried they forfitted there rights to be leaders in the Church. Now if he wants to go preach with his wife he has every right to but he does not have the right anymore the be called a "Pastor".
I didn't make the rules, God did. I just point them out and people don't like it.
A message from my mother to you Damo.
God be praised that your friend was able to endure without complaint . . . but you are not your friend. Have you ever endured what your friend did? Have you ever endured what my son is enduring? If you are laying there in agony without moan, groan, or complaint, than I admire you, for even the Psalmist whined to God over his pain and enemies, but if you are not or have not suffered, then perhaps you need to reread Job and see how his "friends" judged him that he was some how responsible for his own suffering, had no right to complain, and needed to fess up over whatever sin he had committed. Job cursed the day he was born. Job complained about his misery, and God did deal with him, but God also pointed out that Job's friends were wrong! No one knows until they are suffering themselves how "tough" they will be. When women have babies, some scream, kick, and curse their husbands, while there are others who barely utter a peep excepts words of affection, and you wouldn't know they were in pain. Use the scriptures. If you believe something, prove it with scripture, and be careful of what translation you use, because I found a verse that the Living Bible completely changed the meaning from what was in the King James.
There is a Pastor in my town name John Gilbertson, Now this man has not done his job and he was not there for me when I needed a Holy man to talk to. Then I find out both this man and his wife were both born again christians when they married there first spouces. They both divorced and remarried eachother which the bible makes clear is sin. Now God would rather have people remarry then to burn with desire but when remarried they forfitted there rights to be leaders in the Church. Now if he wants to go preach with his wife he has every right to but he does not have the right anymore the be called a "Pastor".
I didn't make the rules, God did. I just point them out and people don't like it.
A message from my mother to you Damo.
God be praised that your friend was able to endure without complaint . . . but you are not your friend. Have you ever endured what your friend did? Have you ever endured what my son is enduring? If you are laying there in agony without moan, groan, or complaint, than I admire you, for even the Psalmist whined to God over his pain and enemies, but if you are not or have not suffered, then perhaps you need to reread Job and see how his "friends" judged him that he was some how responsible for his own suffering, had no right to complain, and needed to fess up over whatever sin he had committed. Job cursed the day he was born. Job complained about his misery, and God did deal with him, but God also pointed out that Job's friends were wrong! No one knows until they are suffering themselves how "tough" they will be. When women have babies, some scream, kick, and curse their husbands, while there are others who barely utter a peep excepts words of affection, and you wouldn't know they were in pain. Use the scriptures. If you believe something, prove it with scripture, and be careful of what translation you use, because I found a verse that the Living Bible completely changed the meaning from what was in the King James.
QUOTE (Jeff Joseph @ Aug 22 2008, 09:01 PM)
Well just why did I post this topic damo if you know so much about me? I posted this topic for this reason.
There is a Pastor in my town name John Gilbertson, Now this man has not done his job and he was not there for me when I needed a Holy man to talk to. Then I find out both this man and his wife were both born again christians when they married there first spouces. They both divorced and remarried eachother which the bible makes clear is sin. Now God would rather have people remarry then to burn with desire but when remarried they forfitted there rights to be leaders in the Church. Now if he wants to go preach with his wife he has every right to but he does not have the right anymore the be called a "Pastor".
I didn't make the rules, God did. I just point them out and people don't like it.
Hey and one more thing Damo when your in endless pysical pain like I am you can complain to God all you want about being in misery. And just because your friend died of cancer or whatever you said in that private message does not make you better then everyone else.
There is a Pastor in my town name John Gilbertson, Now this man has not done his job and he was not there for me when I needed a Holy man to talk to. Then I find out both this man and his wife were both born again christians when they married there first spouces. They both divorced and remarried eachother which the bible makes clear is sin. Now God would rather have people remarry then to burn with desire but when remarried they forfitted there rights to be leaders in the Church. Now if he wants to go preach with his wife he has every right to but he does not have the right anymore the be called a "Pastor".
I didn't make the rules, God did. I just point them out and people don't like it.
Hey and one more thing Damo when your in endless pysical pain like I am you can complain to God all you want about being in misery. And just because your friend died of cancer or whatever you said in that private message does not make you better then everyone else.
jeff joseph
i heard a women preach who has been in a wheel chair all her life and her hands she could not even move them but when she preached and shared what god did in her life it blew me away by what i saw in this women encouraged me
this women could have complained and made everyone feel sorry for her and she could have played the victem instead she decided to be an open vessel were the lord can speak threw her to reach out to some one who is suffering
she talked on suffering jeff joseph
you have sevral things you need to deal with jeff oh dont send me a personal message lets discuss this hear and openly
try not to run down pastors jeff or you wil find god rebuking you when he decides to judge us
poor jeff i am in pain whoo hoo
i know sevral who are in worse situations than you jeff and dont play the victem or come to christian forums and whine
i knew you had a gripe
know i know what to pray for jeff and i pray god wil deal with that pain you are holding onto jeff
God bless from damo
First Damo you have you read what my mother in my previos edited post said to you then you can rwead my last replie to you.
You are whicked hearted Damo, you now better in your heart to say the things that you do and may God put all the curses Satan alifficted me with onto you for you know better in your heart.
Jeff
You are whicked hearted Damo, you now better in your heart to say the things that you do and may God put all the curses Satan alifficted me with onto you for you know better in your heart.
Jeff
QUOTE (Jeff Joseph @ Aug 22 2008, 08:33 PM)
First Damo you have you read what my mother in my previos edited post said to you then you can rwead my last replie to you.
You are whicked hearted Damo, you now better in your heart to say the things that you do and may God put all the curses Satan alifficted me with onto you for you know better in your heart.
Jeff
You are whicked hearted Damo, you now better in your heart to say the things that you do and may God put all the curses Satan alifficted me with onto you for you know better in your heart.
Jeff
how am i wicked and by the remark you left me jeff it shows me that you just want to whine when ever you set up a post in this forum
that is why i said lets keep this to this topic you were the one who sent me a pm message
so know you are going to pray for a hex to be put on me good luck jeff
you have some issues you need to deal with jeff i dont care what your mother had to say to me
i want to know why do you feel its ok to set up this topic to were you feel that pastors should obey what paul had to say
if this is the case as i said would anyone obey what paul had to say
so know are we going to play the victem jeff joseph to were we feel sorry for you and alow you to whine ?
the women i heard preach has more guts then you jeff she has been in her wheel chair since she was young
should she have played the victem to were she made everyone feel sorry for her ?
when she talked on suffering she shared from her personal experiances not once did she run god down
she owes were she is know to god and this women usses what god has done in her life to reach out to those that are suffering
stop playing the victem jeff i dont care what you think by what i am leaving in the post you have set up
so should that pastor then live the single life should all divorced people live the single life should i be praying that god restores my realtionship and the love i had towards my x wife
when i said the love we had is no longer there
why put one verse up and say its not me but its the law and its gods law
what a pastor does in his personal life is none of your concern jeff
God bless from damo
Jeff, Sir....and brother in the Lord. I will ask you to take back what you have said to demo, not the part about him being wrong about this, for the word is clear. But that part of you putting on him what you have gone through. That wasnt out of love for your brother.
Damo is speeking out of heart and his pain from his own marriage, and there was many things in it that he didnt even bring up here. There souldnt be any need to. I myself knows that those parts of the word you have talked about it true, I am sorry about this causing heart in those that feel they can than remarry. That is a cup i wouldnt want to carry either. But as for telling someone that you are asking G-d to put the curses of satan alifficted on you than unto Demo....that was done wrong brother. It would have been better for you to take a step back and pray for our brother.
Jeff, when i was about 20 something came on me and it to me years to find out that this was sent on to me by another. I have struggled with my thyroid and being over weight, having this going after my husband and keeping him those privet moments that is so rightfully mine. I know because G-d showed that this was sent to me because of another cursing me. I got made about it, but having this for almost 14 years, I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy. I broke and bound that persons curses over me, and asked that G-d help that person to repentance, so they dont repeat this with others. I than broke off what the curse was, and have been speeking over myself. one of the things that happens with those that struggles with thyroids is the lose of hair, my hair is growing thicker, and longer now, and I feel much better than I have befor. I know G-d is walking me through healing.
I would say that if there was a curse put on you as you have said, than you should have learn to love others through it, to not return that evil that was abone you to another. This would be wisdom, great and true!
Brother love your brother into that truth, not speeking death but life to him, remembering our struggle isnt against flash and blood but spiritual.
I wish you great peace....
Hugs!
Damo is speeking out of heart and his pain from his own marriage, and there was many things in it that he didnt even bring up here. There souldnt be any need to. I myself knows that those parts of the word you have talked about it true, I am sorry about this causing heart in those that feel they can than remarry. That is a cup i wouldnt want to carry either. But as for telling someone that you are asking G-d to put the curses of satan alifficted on you than unto Demo....that was done wrong brother. It would have been better for you to take a step back and pray for our brother.
Jeff, when i was about 20 something came on me and it to me years to find out that this was sent on to me by another. I have struggled with my thyroid and being over weight, having this going after my husband and keeping him those privet moments that is so rightfully mine. I know because G-d showed that this was sent to me because of another cursing me. I got made about it, but having this for almost 14 years, I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy. I broke and bound that persons curses over me, and asked that G-d help that person to repentance, so they dont repeat this with others. I than broke off what the curse was, and have been speeking over myself. one of the things that happens with those that struggles with thyroids is the lose of hair, my hair is growing thicker, and longer now, and I feel much better than I have befor. I know G-d is walking me through healing.
I would say that if there was a curse put on you as you have said, than you should have learn to love others through it, to not return that evil that was abone you to another. This would be wisdom, great and true!
Brother love your brother into that truth, not speeking death but life to him, remembering our struggle isnt against flash and blood but spiritual.
I wish you great peace....
Hugs!
One more thing, even if there are part of the word that isnt easy to take we shouldnt feel the need to prove it, G-ds word is strong enough to stand on its own. Not need to to force it on others. State what it says and leave it at that. I love both brothers and know that they mean their bests. but at times we have a greater need to be right that your drop that most greatest call, to love one another as we love ourselves.
Demo, the word does say this, jeff was right about point, but as you speek out of pain, he said he was. I know you are fully able to step back and see that. He is to put out the word, and than you take up what is put out there between you and G-d. If you are to comply to this part of the word G-d will show it to you and help you have that strangth to take it up, if not than you will not be lead to do so. The holy spirit is so able to show you just the way you are to walk, and being lead by him is just the way G-d would want you to be.
With great love and peace to you!
Hugs!
Demo, the word does say this, jeff was right about point, but as you speek out of pain, he said he was. I know you are fully able to step back and see that. He is to put out the word, and than you take up what is put out there between you and G-d. If you are to comply to this part of the word G-d will show it to you and help you have that strangth to take it up, if not than you will not be lead to do so. The holy spirit is so able to show you just the way you are to walk, and being lead by him is just the way G-d would want you to be.
With great love and peace to you!
Hugs!
peace maker i understand what you said and what you are going threw both me and my x wife are close friends we have forgiven each other and moved on there is no pain in me i dont need to share why we broke up or what i did to her and my son its no ones concern
i am questioning jeff joseph for my reasons peace maker he should not be giving out that pastors name on a forum like this and saying how bad he is for not making the time to listen to him i wonder what the true verssion is weather jeff was abusive to the pastor and weather he played the victem to the reason the pastor decided not to talk to jeff pastors are not stupid peace maker they can sence when some one is going to waste their time i also see this
we also have a member who has been crippled since birth and in a wheel chair i carry this brother and another member sets his wheel chair up and when this brother opens up and sings he just blesses me to the point were i have been protective over him
he does not gripe or point the finger or say poor is me look at me every one he challanges us to come before the lord and let go of our pain we hold on to and he says to the members dont feel sorry for me but praise the lord for what he has done in my life
all jeff is doing hear is whinning
but i have seen these topics come up in forums like this to were no one walks away refreshed or learns something
know to jeff joseph if you are reading this i want you to explaine to me what right do you have to give that pastors name on a forum like this and then expect people who respond to agree with you ?
if you cal your self a true christian should you not do the decent thing and make an appointment to talk to this pastor that has hurt you instead of comming to a forum like this and saying thus says the apostle paul and god
and expect any one who gets involved to agree with you jeff joseph
please dont give out personal names when it comes to the posts you leav on forums like this
as i said jeff i dont care what you leave but i wil be praying that god deals with what you harbour and hold on to
god can use you and he can work threw you to reach out to those around you
i dont see this in you jeff joseph that is why i am getting involved in this topic off yours
paul says this god says t time to look into what paul said and study this for your self why on earth run a pastor down on a forum like this and say he and his new wife divorced their spouces really its none of your concern jeff its between that pastor and God not you and then telling every one what he has done
know i wil weight for your responce oh i dont feel no side effects to your hex you want to place on me are you praying hard jeff ?
God bless from damo
i am questioning jeff joseph for my reasons peace maker he should not be giving out that pastors name on a forum like this and saying how bad he is for not making the time to listen to him i wonder what the true verssion is weather jeff was abusive to the pastor and weather he played the victem to the reason the pastor decided not to talk to jeff pastors are not stupid peace maker they can sence when some one is going to waste their time i also see this
we also have a member who has been crippled since birth and in a wheel chair i carry this brother and another member sets his wheel chair up and when this brother opens up and sings he just blesses me to the point were i have been protective over him
he does not gripe or point the finger or say poor is me look at me every one he challanges us to come before the lord and let go of our pain we hold on to and he says to the members dont feel sorry for me but praise the lord for what he has done in my life
all jeff is doing hear is whinning
but i have seen these topics come up in forums like this to were no one walks away refreshed or learns something
know to jeff joseph if you are reading this i want you to explaine to me what right do you have to give that pastors name on a forum like this and then expect people who respond to agree with you ?
if you cal your self a true christian should you not do the decent thing and make an appointment to talk to this pastor that has hurt you instead of comming to a forum like this and saying thus says the apostle paul and god
and expect any one who gets involved to agree with you jeff joseph
please dont give out personal names when it comes to the posts you leav on forums like this
as i said jeff i dont care what you leave but i wil be praying that god deals with what you harbour and hold on to
god can use you and he can work threw you to reach out to those around you
i dont see this in you jeff joseph that is why i am getting involved in this topic off yours
paul says this god says t time to look into what paul said and study this for your self why on earth run a pastor down on a forum like this and say he and his new wife divorced their spouces really its none of your concern jeff its between that pastor and God not you and then telling every one what he has done
know i wil weight for your responce oh i dont feel no side effects to your hex you want to place on me are you praying hard jeff ?
God bless from damo
I will never take it back as you have crossed a line which you should now better then I would never go and smart mouth a person in endless misery as I have been by you. You speak with two tongues one pretending to be someone of love and rightoesnous and then of one of whicked hatred.
"boo hoo Jeff has to suffer"
You know saying whicked things like this to people make God sick.
That was strait out of hell and it came from your mouth damo.
"boo hoo Jeff has to suffer"
You know saying whicked things like this to people make God sick.
That was strait out of hell and it came from your mouth damo.
QUOTE (Jeff Joseph @ Aug 22 2008, 10:39 PM)
I will never take it back as you have crossed a line which you should now better then I would never go and smart mouth a person in endless misery as I have been by you. You speak with two tongues one pretending to be someone of love and rightoesnous and then of one of whicked hatred.
"boo hoo Jeff has to suffer"
You know saying whicked things like this to people make God sick.
That was strait out of hell and it came from your mouth damo.
"boo hoo Jeff has to suffer"
You know saying whicked things like this to people make God sick.
That was strait out of hell and it came from your mouth damo.
well then you are no teacher jeff joseph and in the near futer dont leave a scripture passage and say thus says the lord and thus says the apostle paul
you have shown your true colors this is why i sort of wanted to be involved in this topic
what you are doing god is going to deal with you when he decides its time to judge us jeff joseph how brave of you to run this pastor down on an forum like this you leave one passage and say thus says paul and then have the nerve to tell me its gods law and leave his name in cyber space
if i had this mans adress and email adress jeff joseph i would be contacting him telling him there is some one running him down
oh i am a bad boy for saying poor me try not to play the victem jeff i see no evidence of the spirit by what you leave in the posts you leave in this forum
should you not be doing something jeff joseph ? like telling some one who really cares
one thing i dont do is beat around the bush and hide behind certain scripture passages and say thus says the apostle paul
god holds you accountable while you are alive jeff and what ever you do and say while you are alive when he decides its time to judge he will hold you accountable for the things you have said
you are no judge jeff joseph and you have no right to be running this man down or telling anyone what they should or should not be doing
when you read the bible you dont read it like i do you hold on and say lord why me why me look at what i am having to deal with its so easy to figure where you are comming from
pray hard jeff no hex has been put on me i am feeling fine
God bless from damo
QUOTE (Jeff Joseph @ Aug 22 2008, 09:01 PM)
Well just why did I post this topic damo if you know so much about me? I posted this topic for this reason.
There is a Pastor in my town name John Gilbertson, Now this man has not done his job and he was not there for me when I needed a Holy man to talk to. Then I find out both this man and his wife were both born again christians when they married there first spouces. They both divorced and remarried eachother which the bible makes clear is sin. Now God would rather have people remarry then to burn with desire but when remarried they forfitted there rights to be leaders in the Church. Now if he wants to go preach with his wife he has every right to but he does not have the right anymore the be called a "Pastor".
I didn't make the rules, God did. I just point them out and people don't like it.
A message from my mother to you Damo.
God be praised that your friend was able to endure without complaint . . . but you are not your friend. Have you ever endured what your friend did? Have you ever endured what my son is enduring? If you are laying there in agony without moan, groan, or complaint, than I admire you, for even the Psalmist whined to God over his pain and enemies, but if you are not or have not suffered, then perhaps you need to reread Job and see how his "friends" judged him that he was some how responsible for his own suffering, had no right to complain, and needed to fess up over whatever sin he had committed. Job cursed the day he was born. Job complained about his misery, and God did deal with him, but God also pointed out that Job's friends were wrong! No one knows until they are suffering themselves how "tough" they will be. When women have babies, some scream, kick, and curse their husbands, while there are others who barely utter a peep excepts words of affection, and you wouldn't know they were in pain. Use the scriptures. If you believe something, prove it with scripture, and be careful of what translation you use, because I found a verse that the Living Bible completely changed the meaning from what was in the King James.
There is a Pastor in my town name John Gilbertson, Now this man has not done his job and he was not there for me when I needed a Holy man to talk to. Then I find out both this man and his wife were both born again christians when they married there first spouces. They both divorced and remarried eachother which the bible makes clear is sin. Now God would rather have people remarry then to burn with desire but when remarried they forfitted there rights to be leaders in the Church. Now if he wants to go preach with his wife he has every right to but he does not have the right anymore the be called a "Pastor".
I didn't make the rules, God did. I just point them out and people don't like it.
A message from my mother to you Damo.
God be praised that your friend was able to endure without complaint . . . but you are not your friend. Have you ever endured what your friend did? Have you ever endured what my son is enduring? If you are laying there in agony without moan, groan, or complaint, than I admire you, for even the Psalmist whined to God over his pain and enemies, but if you are not or have not suffered, then perhaps you need to reread Job and see how his "friends" judged him that he was some how responsible for his own suffering, had no right to complain, and needed to fess up over whatever sin he had committed. Job cursed the day he was born. Job complained about his misery, and God did deal with him, but God also pointed out that Job's friends were wrong! No one knows until they are suffering themselves how "tough" they will be. When women have babies, some scream, kick, and curse their husbands, while there are others who barely utter a peep excepts words of affection, and you wouldn't know they were in pain. Use the scriptures. If you believe something, prove it with scripture, and be careful of what translation you use, because I found a verse that the Living Bible completely changed the meaning from what was in the King James.
hm i dont know why you are having to get your mother involved in the post you set up jeff and i would like to say this you know nothing of what i went threw or what its like for those who live in war torn countrys jeff you only have your tv in front off you and you only hear what the reporter wants you to hear and its the same with the news paper you read
this shows me what sort of spirit is in you jeff joseph but hay i am willing to play if you want to tel me what its like to be in a wheel chair since you feel i know not what its like to suffer
why on earth would some one like my self now what its like to suffer since we have some one hear who has a gripe towards pastors who have let him down
and when you leave something be ready to be challanged i dont use my friends or do i hide behind the scripture passages i am so comfterbal with and i wil not tone down or will i pitty you jeff joseph
its between you and god not between me and the members of this forum you have no back bone you wil not forgive those who have let you down and hurt you instead you come to forums like this and whine
hay i did this when i was mocking god i dont do this know
lets see what paul had to say since you feel you understand what paul said in the very verse you have posted which did not give us much info
that is why i like pushing when i see only one verse with out the full reason behind the verse you have put up
1 corinthians
20 where is the one who is wise where is the scribe where is the debater of this age ? has not god made foolish the wisdom of the world
1 corinthians 2
2 for i decided to know nothing among you except Jesus christ and him crucified
3 and i was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling
why was paul scared when he said what he said in his epistles and when he confronted the cornith church why did he have to fear the men he was about to pull up
have you done a study on the people paul was talking to jeff joseph ? instead of telling me how wrong it is for pastors to divorce and then say they should not have the right to preach if they divorce their spouce
what if the spouce divorces her husband who is a pastor what if the pastor finds out his wife who he loved since he was young is having an afair with another man ? should the pastor who finds out that his wife is having an afair step down jeff joseph since jeff joseph has this hine sight to really under stand why paul said what he said with out having the back bone to do some re search on the people paul was speaking to ?
i want you jeff joseph to take a look at what i am going to leav you and have some back bone i dont want to hear what your mother has to say i want to hear what this is saying to you since you feel it is wrong for pastors to Remarry its so easy to sit in judgment on our pastors but when the holy spirit wants you to deal with the sins you are holding on to you wil not do this you seem to look at what pastors are doing and then sit in judgment on them and you wonder why god wil not respond to you i know you can read and i hate leaving long posts
1 corinthians 7
1 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote it is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a women
can you show me were paul is saying this to only pastors
2 But because of the temptation to sexual imorality each man should have his own wife and each women her own husband
6 Now as a conssesion not a command i say this
7 i wish that all were as i myself am but each has his own gift from God one of a one kind and one of another
8 to the unmarried and the widows i say that it is good for them to remain single as i am
9 But if they cannot exercise self control they should marry for it is better to marry than burn with passion
10 to the married i give this charge not i but the lord the wife should not seperate from her husband
11 but if she does she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband and the husband should not divorce the wife
now with out telling me what this pastor has done as its gossip and i do not want to hear what this pastor did to some one like you who has suffered i dont want you turning to your mother and asking her to help you because what i say comes from the pits off hell
since you decided to place what you placed and have the back bone to run this pastor down and state pastors who remarry should not have the right to preach
can you live by what i have placed hear for you to ponder on i dont want to hear what its been like for you this is not a self pitty party were i say oh poor baby i feel sorry for you and just agree with you
have some back bone jeff joseph
i wil not change to the way i approach you i am making this clear to you
what right do you have to say this pastor wronged you and what right does this give to place his name on this forum and run him down ?
what a man does is no ones concern and if a man catches his wife cheating behind his back or decides he wants to divorce her its none off your concern it between him his wife and god you have no right to judge that pastor god wil deal with him when the time is right if he has wronged his first wife god wil bring this before him
but if his wife decided its over and their is no love for that person why should both partys stay married if their is no love what so ever
just because we have the bible saying one thing it does not mean that those who dont belong to god should obey what paul had to say
know do some re search and see for your self why paul said this
and i dont want to hear what its been like for you poor baby you want some soft music playing in the back ground do you want some tissues or better use my shirt to wipe the tears that are falling down your face
i am not going to walk the road you want me to walk to were we discuss what we have been threw i shared something to you thinking it would sink in may be i should have kept what i said to my self
time for you to stop playing the victem jeff joseph
from damo
You talk way to much man, yes I do know what its like to be in a wheel chair. When I was in the Mayo Clinic Last year there hard floors hurt my back and a spinal nerve became compressed when my vertabrae shifted. The whole building heard me scream bloody murder. So my family had to wheel chair me around the rest of my time at Mayo. I had to lay on the dirty filthy floor because my back couldn't take sitting in chairs any longer as well. When we stayed at a hotel in rochester last year as my back was shifting my mother had to sit and watch me put a pillow over my mouth to scream into and muffle the sound.
My only way to travel long distance is in my mothers van laying down. My grandfather gave to use in exchance for my mother car that kept braking down. Other then that I am screwed!
I will give you that Pastors number but I will give it to you in a private message. Go ahead and call him I already told him years ago he should not be a pastor since he got remarried and his replie was that scripture is only refferring to paligame.
I told my mother about what you said about me and she knows me better then you and has watched me suffer very long time. Unlike you I was able to tell her all the things that are hurting me and she would not judge me for it like you have. If you were my parent I would have given up on life along time ago because you would have made life worthless just like "pysco dad" did.
No I will not take what I said about you away until you apoligize for your cruelty. The Universaty of Iowa Flooded recently and they wronged me and I didn't try to sue them either. Funny how God takes vengence for us, somtimes it takes a long time with others almost immdietly.
No I have Never been "STUPID ENOUGH" to marry a woman who God didn't intend me to be with. God showed me "mole lady" in my dreams and when Pastor John Koppel prayed over me.
My only way to travel long distance is in my mothers van laying down. My grandfather gave to use in exchance for my mother car that kept braking down. Other then that I am screwed!
I will give you that Pastors number but I will give it to you in a private message. Go ahead and call him I already told him years ago he should not be a pastor since he got remarried and his replie was that scripture is only refferring to paligame.
I told my mother about what you said about me and she knows me better then you and has watched me suffer very long time. Unlike you I was able to tell her all the things that are hurting me and she would not judge me for it like you have. If you were my parent I would have given up on life along time ago because you would have made life worthless just like "pysco dad" did.
No I will not take what I said about you away until you apoligize for your cruelty. The Universaty of Iowa Flooded recently and they wronged me and I didn't try to sue them either. Funny how God takes vengence for us, somtimes it takes a long time with others almost immdietly.
No I have Never been "STUPID ENOUGH" to marry a woman who God didn't intend me to be with. God showed me "mole lady" in my dreams and when Pastor John Koppel prayed over me.
QUOTE (Jeff Joseph @ Aug 23 2008, 03:10 AM)
You talk way to much man, yes I do know what its like to be in a wheel chair. When I was in the Mayo Clinic Last year there hard floors hurt my back and a spinal nerve became compressed. The whole building heard me scream bloody murder. So my family had to wheel chair me around the rest of my time at Mayo. I had to lay on the dirty filthy floor because my back couldn't take sitting in chairs any longer as well.
My only way to travel long distance is in my mothers van laying down. My grandfather gave to use in exchance for my mother car that kept braking down. Other then that I am screwed!
I will give you that Pastors number but I will give it to you in a private message. Go ahead and call him I already told him years ago he should not be a pastor since he got remarried and his replie was that scripture is only refferring to paligame.
I told my mother about what you said about me and she knows me better then you and has watched me suffer very long time. Unlike you I was able to tell her all the things that are hurting me and she would not judge me for it like you have. If you were my parent I would have given up on life along time ago because you would have made worthless just like pysco dad did.
No I will not take what I said about you away until you apoligize for your cruelty. The Universaty of Iowa Flooded recently and they wronged me. Funny how God takes vengence for us, somtimes it takes a long time with others almost immdietly.
My only way to travel long distance is in my mothers van laying down. My grandfather gave to use in exchance for my mother car that kept braking down. Other then that I am screwed!
I will give you that Pastors number but I will give it to you in a private message. Go ahead and call him I already told him years ago he should not be a pastor since he got remarried and his replie was that scripture is only refferring to paligame.
I told my mother about what you said about me and she knows me better then you and has watched me suffer very long time. Unlike you I was able to tell her all the things that are hurting me and she would not judge me for it like you have. If you were my parent I would have given up on life along time ago because you would have made worthless just like pysco dad did.
No I will not take what I said about you away until you apoligize for your cruelty. The Universaty of Iowa Flooded recently and they wronged me. Funny how God takes vengence for us, somtimes it takes a long time with others almost immdietly.
man lol you are cracking me up bro i have heard of the floods but as i said dont expect me to change my tone or pitty you or get into a self pitty party
when there are people suffering and going threw a lot worse than what you might be having to deal with you have your mother you have a roof over your head you have food you can get to dr apointments and so on
in the farming community were our new church is the people who live near us do not have what you have the philippines bro is a poor country yet what i have noticed the people give with out whinning and coming to the inter net
i tend to feel more for our members then i do for some one who has hardend his heart
at least you have a normal home to live in and when it rains you dont share you home with the animals and rats and the odd bird that flys in
am asking you to take back what i said jeff joseph ? so dont expect me to change my tone when i am responding to you
fuuny how god just seems to punish and punish and not give you a brake as i said your gripe is with god
ask him why you have had to suffer and tel me what he says to you
bro i have to end this i cant stop cracking up i wil come back as i have pizza in the oven with fried rat and a nice rat burger
God bless from damo
Well I will just have to wait your day will come.
QUOTE (Jeff Joseph @ Aug 23 2008, 03:31 AM)
Well I will just have to wait your day will come.
weighting weighting weighting oh lord its hard to be a pin head why me why me why do you punish me and not the guy down the road
dear lord help this brother help his prayers come to reality he wants you to strike me were i stand so please show this brother that you of all people understand what its like to suffer
as tweety said to silvester granny granny i taught i saw a putty cat bad putty cat bad putty cat
God bles from damo
RE:God bless from damo
I don't want your blessing from your God. We don't serve the same one. You serve Satan and I serve Christ.
I don't want your blessing from your God. We don't serve the same one. You serve Satan and I serve Christ.
ENOUGH!!! You are like two boys picking on each other. I was wondering when this will end. It started off with the word. Judging each other the way you do, you dont have a right to it. Both need to take back words said. Shame on you both!!!
QUOTE (peacemaker @ Aug 23 2008, 11:55 AM)
ENOUGH!!! You are like two boys picking on each other. I was wondering when this will end. It started off with the word. Judging each other the way you do, you dont have a right to it. Both need to take back words said. Same on you both!!!
peace maker please leave this to me
i dont tend to let this person run down every pastor he has a gripe he should have made this clear instead of just saying what paul had to say
i wil not let this man think he has the right to do this
my fiancee is a pastor and i know what pastors have to deal with and put up with
all i see by what jeff joseph is leaving is bitterness
why should pastors be judged so harshly what a pastor does away from the church is no ones concern
its so easy to point the finger at our leaders who god has ordained but when it comes to the sins we hold on to do we come before the lord and ask the lord to deal with what we hold on to ?
i wil not pitty this man or have any one pitty him
but if you want to pitty him i wil not come down on you or dis respect you
i am very prottective over my fiancee and when i am working abroad she has two deakons watching over her
its not easy being a pastor
what i notice is this christians today dont support their pastors like they should be
in Australia its difrent we surround our pastors and we tell them its ok to be human
jeff has no desire to let go of what he has been threw jeff has no desire to forgive thos that have hurt him and if jeff was a true christian he would have made time to talk to that pastor that refused to listen to him
its so easy for jeff to find faults in others but when the finger is pointing at jeff jeff says i am just a poor man who has suffered and why should you point at me and tel me to deal with the bitterness i hold on to i am in a wheel chair you are mean
i have given sevral verses for jeff to go over he has not responded and wil not respond to what i left for him he is only sticking to what paul said with out doing some re search and last night he sent me the pastors ph num saying he does not realy care what i say to the pastor that refused to listen to him
pastors are not silly they can tell when some one is going to waste their time
what jeff says know while he is alive god wil deal with jeff joseph when he decides to judge us
God bless from damo
QUOTE (Jeff Joseph @ Aug 23 2008, 04:21 AM)
RE:God bless from damo
I don't want your blessing from your God. We don't serve the same one. You serve Satan and I serve Christ.
I don't want your blessing from your God. We don't serve the same one. You serve Satan and I serve Christ.
stil standing jeff god has not inflected me with what you have been threw are you praying or are you just typing away
may be he wil strike me while i am in church today as its sunday in Australia
i serve satan thats good to know may be i should play on it since my name is damien you serve christ then have some back bone and forgive that pastor for not spending the time to listen to you
but if you tend to find fault in the men that god ordains be ready to have 3 fingers pointing back at you and because you think you deserve to be let off because you have suffered all your life and your mother knows what you have had to deal with think hard your mother is not going to get you to heaven or give you that free pass
from damo
Yes, he was wrong for using that mans name openly, but we all talk about those that hart us here, seeking help so as to be able to heal. I have stepped back many times and let others fight things out, only to see a mass made!
It reminds me of a movie I seen, where a guy keeps slapping a small monky, and the monky doing the same, until a lesser carictor came up in that movie to put an end to is and asks for the keys, that was used for the hole reason the slapping begain in the first place. I as a lesser...now as you to hand those keys over...and stop the slapping. When does all pasters need defending, this guy is just dumping out his pain, and being you fully know what pasters all go through you just to stop him from showing his pain.
I must add I had a foster parant that was a paster, he going through that same kind of thing, I was told once by him that when King David was spoken agains, her fellower wanted to kill that man that spoke against him, than King David said no, do not stop him....those words of seemingly attacks made him stronger. This man isnt here, and yea, it is wrong for him to uses his name, but this should be a very safe place to share hart. Sometimes in not being the prettiest thing to see when it comes out, like vomit....once it is out, that person gets better.
I would aim for him to get better, and for his heart to heal. This will be my last on this topic so, go not it you wish with this demo....but make share you are doing and saying what you are in love!
It reminds me of a movie I seen, where a guy keeps slapping a small monky, and the monky doing the same, until a lesser carictor came up in that movie to put an end to is and asks for the keys, that was used for the hole reason the slapping begain in the first place. I as a lesser...now as you to hand those keys over...and stop the slapping. When does all pasters need defending, this guy is just dumping out his pain, and being you fully know what pasters all go through you just to stop him from showing his pain.
I must add I had a foster parant that was a paster, he going through that same kind of thing, I was told once by him that when King David was spoken agains, her fellower wanted to kill that man that spoke against him, than King David said no, do not stop him....those words of seemingly attacks made him stronger. This man isnt here, and yea, it is wrong for him to uses his name, but this should be a very safe place to share hart. Sometimes in not being the prettiest thing to see when it comes out, like vomit....once it is out, that person gets better.
I would aim for him to get better, and for his heart to heal. This will be my last on this topic so, go not it you wish with this demo....but make share you are doing and saying what you are in love!
I had every right to use that Pastors name. I spoke with this man plenty of times and yes since you don't like to listen I will remind you I told both him and his wife they should not be Pastors. Pastor is suppose to be a leader and if he doesn't want to be there people he should find a new job. If he is also naive and refuses to watch out for whats going on in the world he should not be a Pastor.
I don't bother with him anymore, in fact I don't call any Pastors anymore exact to tell a few people I have hope this year. I have every right to state the facts of what people are doing and have done.
What is this "mental retarding" inside peple like you damo that if I bring up one thing about the past you go nuts and say "see You haven't forgiven this person, your angry , your bitter , shame on you".
So any time a person brings up Hitler, Hussan or any other Dictator do you have to tell them they have to forgive hitler over and over and over again?
So why is speaking the truth about people suppose to make me a horrible man in Gods eyes?? What sin is there in telling the truth or is it you "JUST DON"T LIKE IT".
If you can't carry somones burden with them then you are not fullfillying the law of Christ.
Maybe I can get cold blooded like you damo and tell all those suffering people around the world to stop whining but I am not like you.
I speak the truth and people hate me for it.
I don't bother with him anymore, in fact I don't call any Pastors anymore exact to tell a few people I have hope this year. I have every right to state the facts of what people are doing and have done.
What is this "mental retarding" inside peple like you damo that if I bring up one thing about the past you go nuts and say "see You haven't forgiven this person, your angry , your bitter , shame on you".
So any time a person brings up Hitler, Hussan or any other Dictator do you have to tell them they have to forgive hitler over and over and over again?
So why is speaking the truth about people suppose to make me a horrible man in Gods eyes?? What sin is there in telling the truth or is it you "JUST DON"T LIKE IT".
If you can't carry somones burden with them then you are not fullfillying the law of Christ.
Maybe I can get cold blooded like you damo and tell all those suffering people around the world to stop whining but I am not like you.
I speak the truth and people hate me for it.
[quote name='Jeff Joseph' date='Aug 24 2008, 01:38 AM' post='226766']
I had every right to use that Pastors name. I spoke with this man plenty of times and yes since you don't like to listen I will remind you I told both him and his wife they should not be Pastors. Pastor is suppose to be a leader and if he doesn't want to be there people he should find a new job. If he is also naive and refuses to watch out for whats going on in the world he should not be a Pastor.
I don't bother with him anymore, in fact I don't call any Pastors anymore exact to tell a few people I have hope this year. I have every right to state the facts of what people are doing and have done.
What is this "mental retarding" inside peple like you damo that if I bring up one thing about the past you go nuts and say "see You haven't forgiven this person, your angry , your bitter , shame on you".
So any time a person brings up Hitler, Hussan or any other Dictator do you have to tell them they have to forgive hitler over and over and over again?
So why is speaking the truth about people suppose to make me a horrible man in Gods eyes?? What sin is there in telling the truth or is it you "JUST DON"T LIKE IT".
If you can't carry somones burden with them then you are not fullfillying the law of Christ.
Maybe I can get cold blooded like you damo and tell all those suffering people around the world to stop whining but I am not like you.
To Jeff Joseph
you are nothing like me and you had no right to bring this persons name on this forum and then run him down
as i said i wil not pitty you or will i jump in the gutter and agree with you that is gutter talk and what you are doing any fool can see that you are not true to your self and please dont call your self a true christian and say you are nothing like me
you love to find flaws in pastors and when you do this it shows me what sort of person you are jeff
boy you must be some special person to think that you are the only one that is suffering on this earth
but hay i am not going to tel you what i have been threw as i dont believe in looking to the past whats done in the past thats past history
if you preached nothing but the truth people wil respond what they dont respond to is some one pointing the figer and say thus says jeff joseph
also jesus warns us and tels us its not easy living this life
as i said to you dont hide behind one scripture passage with out doing some re search and trying to under stand why paul said what he said
and that pastor does not need to explaine to you jeff joseph why he divorced his wife he is human god forgives its us humans who love to remind others of their flaws and who they use to be the church is very good at doing this jeff
hay i came back from church and i am stil standing nothing has happend to me are you sure you are praying and asking god to inflict me with what you have had to endure since i know nothing on what its like to suffer jeff ?
as i said i wil not pitty you or slap you on the back and say there there jeff you had every right to do what you did
God bless from damo
I had every right to use that Pastors name. I spoke with this man plenty of times and yes since you don't like to listen I will remind you I told both him and his wife they should not be Pastors. Pastor is suppose to be a leader and if he doesn't want to be there people he should find a new job. If he is also naive and refuses to watch out for whats going on in the world he should not be a Pastor.
I don't bother with him anymore, in fact I don't call any Pastors anymore exact to tell a few people I have hope this year. I have every right to state the facts of what people are doing and have done.
What is this "mental retarding" inside peple like you damo that if I bring up one thing about the past you go nuts and say "see You haven't forgiven this person, your angry , your bitter , shame on you".
So any time a person brings up Hitler, Hussan or any other Dictator do you have to tell them they have to forgive hitler over and over and over again?
So why is speaking the truth about people suppose to make me a horrible man in Gods eyes?? What sin is there in telling the truth or is it you "JUST DON"T LIKE IT".
If you can't carry somones burden with them then you are not fullfillying the law of Christ.
Maybe I can get cold blooded like you damo and tell all those suffering people around the world to stop whining but I am not like you.
To Jeff Joseph
you are nothing like me and you had no right to bring this persons name on this forum and then run him down
as i said i wil not pitty you or will i jump in the gutter and agree with you that is gutter talk and what you are doing any fool can see that you are not true to your self and please dont call your self a true christian and say you are nothing like me
you love to find flaws in pastors and when you do this it shows me what sort of person you are jeff
boy you must be some special person to think that you are the only one that is suffering on this earth
but hay i am not going to tel you what i have been threw as i dont believe in looking to the past whats done in the past thats past history
if you preached nothing but the truth people wil respond what they dont respond to is some one pointing the figer and say thus says jeff joseph
also jesus warns us and tels us its not easy living this life
as i said to you dont hide behind one scripture passage with out doing some re search and trying to under stand why paul said what he said
and that pastor does not need to explaine to you jeff joseph why he divorced his wife he is human god forgives its us humans who love to remind others of their flaws and who they use to be the church is very good at doing this jeff
hay i came back from church and i am stil standing nothing has happend to me are you sure you are praying and asking god to inflict me with what you have had to endure since i know nothing on what its like to suffer jeff ?
as i said i wil not pitty you or slap you on the back and say there there jeff you had every right to do what you did
God bless from damo
Well I have nothing else to say to you, so I will wipe the dust from my keyboard as you did not want to listen.
QUOTE (Jeff Joseph @ Aug 24 2008, 05:28 AM)
Well I have nothing else to say to you, so I will wipe the dust from my keyboard as you did not want to listen.
thats fine you wipe the dust of your key board but i am going to leave you something to ponder on jeff joseph
when ever you try to find a flaw in a pastor or point the finger at a man ordained by god come judgment day when you stand facing god alone he will bring up your hidden sins and the things you have said and done while you were alive on this earth before him he is not going to look at the situation you found your self in our say there there
you wil not have your mother to turn to or back you up its going to be you and god thats it
pastors are humen Jeff Joseph the reason i decided not to listen is simple but i wil let you work it out jeff joseph i do not work on soft love my aproach to guys like you is tuff love
as i stated my fiancee is a pastor and i am protective over her i use to judge pastors harshly when i was a young christian though god dealt with that when i was in the philippines
one day jeff joseph god will show your sin for what it is just like he did with me jeff joseph
from damo
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