The Dietary law is very important. Leviticus ch11:1


God commanded us:...........don't eat unclean foods.

in OT times, this meant:.........don't eat pork, etc



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but, in NT times,
we are allowed to eat anything except blood and strangled meat.
and
we must not eat (Spiritually) un-clean foods (false religion, heresy, Judaizer beliefs, RCC, occult, cults, hindu, mormon, etc)

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this is a foreshadow:
the physical un-clean foods in OT times .........symbolizes....... Spiritually un-clean foods in NT times

That's just excellent! I never would have thought that, but I wonder if cloven hoofs means something else also. But, Jesus casting the demons into the herd of swine sort of reinforces the cloven hoof thing though.

My thought is as our bodies are as they were when God gave humans the health laws....they should still apply.

Yes, but apply to what? Now what health laws apply to eating pork? Why would you have health laws?
Really, I can answer that, I can.
Ever heard of Trichinosis? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichinosis
It was not until 1835 that somebody figured that out.
Somewhere in the bible it says that knowledge will be increased.

Let me ask you a simple question, 'if you were one of the last two alive on earth and the only thing to keep you alive was a pig, would you say 'no, it's against the law of God.'

No...I would eat it. It isn't a sin but is there for our health...for our benefit.

I used to see the health laws as a matter of not having refrigeration but now I see it as the "unclean" animals being scavengers. For instance...a pig has no sweat glands so all the poison he takes in doesn't leave. It just hangs around in his fat.

Now understand...this is after years of eating all kinds of shell fish, catfish and ham and flavoring vegetables with bacon fat (I'm from the south). And....I loved it. It's just that now I stay away from it if at all possible...and at times it isn't.


By the way....that "knowledge shall be increased" thing actually means....calamities and wickedness shall be increased! And the "running to and fro" means running in apostasy.

You know, breathing the air is the same thing that you are referring to. Driving a car in traffic means that you are breathing dirty poisonous air; and where does it go? To the fat! We're all pigs. Slop eating swine! But, our slop is junk food and cokes and liquor. So yes, I agree that 'knowledge shall be increased ' means 'calamities and wickedness shall be increased.'

beware

1Pt 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

you can't read that non-sense dennis is talking about in the NT

But you can read what Paul said about Jesus

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

the same God in the OT is the same God in the NT.

In the OT it is written

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

In the NT it is written

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Jesus said

Jn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Dennis do admit that you could not eat unclean animals in the OT.

What Dennis fail to understand is that Jesus is the one who gave the dietary laws.

what dennis fail to understand is Jesus can't change and He is te same yesterday,Leviticus) today(2008) and forever

so how in th world can we eat unclean animals today if the people of yesterday could not.

Dennis do you understand that your calling Jesus unfair.

beware of False Prophets

Mt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Yes, I would add "our slop" of fast food, cokes, liquor, cigarettes, etc. to the list. but, unlike the "unclean" animals we can cleanse our bodies by purification. And, where certain animals were created to partake of certain things....we can select what goes into our bodies...except, as you have pointed out, for pollution.

and where is this written?

where do it say this is the air thou shall breathe

or this is the air thou shalt breathe

Jesus gave a direct command on what can be eaten and what can't be eaten.

and Jesus don't change his mind.

fleshly men like dennis changes the Word of God.

Jesus and John the Baptist lived and died in OT times,,,,,,,,UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES

they could not eat pork

THEY must be physically circumcized

they must present themselves before God IN JERUSALEM, 3 TIMES A YEAR,,,,,,,,PASSOVER, PENTECOST, TABERNACLES,,,,,,

they must not cut the hair on the corners of their head

they are not allowed to plant 2 different seeds in the same field

they are no allowed to wed anyone except an ISRAELITE

they must stone to death every known, convicted who is a murderer, adulterer, false teacher, a child that strikes a parent, etc............IN ISRAEL,,,,,,,,BUT NOT IN SURROUNDING NATIONS

they are required to have a lifestyle, look, etc,,,,,,,which is very different from other nations.....

....Why?

separation unto the Lord.............God knew that if the ISRAELITES were very different and separated from other peoples,,,,,,,they would be less likely to mix and inter-marry with other nations,,,,,,,,,,,,,this helps protect ISRAEL from being corrupted by other religions.

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this is a symbol of NT SEPARATION...........NT SAINTS are separated from non-saints,,,,,,,,so that we will not mix with pagans,,,,,,,,,and be corrupted by their sins, cults, perversions, heresies,


the OT separation is physical.........don't eat pork, .......be physically circumcized
the NT separation is spiritual..........don't feed your heart, spirit, mind with sin, heresy, cult,



OZELL is the synagogue of satan..........he is a JUDAIZER...........read GALATIANS............he requires that NT Saints live under the LAW OF MOSES



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2Co 11:22 Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.

paul was an israelite who converted to christianity

Rom 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Rom 4:9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

Rom 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

1Co 7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Gal 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Php 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Col 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.

titus--- 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:



OZELL is a judaizer...........he persecutes the christians who have circumcision of the heart,,,,,,but don't have the circumcision iof the flesh.

Ozell preaches "another Gospel" which will not save anyone from his sins...........Let him be accursed. (paul said that)






Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.



the JUDAIZER , OZELL, is born after the flesh.............he is circumcized in the flesh.........and he persecutes the "children of promise", who are born after the Spirit, who are circumcized in the heart.

the JUDAIZER is CAST OUT, .........OZELL shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

as the NT says...........phys circumcision is not required,,,,,,,,,but spiritual circumcision is required

the JUDAIZERS are not saved............they preach "another Gospel" which will not save anyone...........read galations.






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Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Ephesians 5;11 Amplified Bible
11Take no part in and have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds and enterprises of darkness, but instead [let your lives be so in contrast as to] [d]expose and reprove and convict them.

THE WHOLE WORLD, AND TIME ITSELF, REVOLVES AROUND JESUS CHRIST.
either,...... you're busy promoting Him, ........or you're busy fighting Him,....... (whether you realize it or not).

Lev 11
1: And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
2: Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
3: Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

where is Moses Law? we read that God spoke to Moses.

what is OT times brother? what is NT times brother?

you make these foolish statements without knowledge



and you can't eat pork today as they could not eat it yesterday



abrahams seed must be circumsized if ye are of abraham seed then do the works of abraham

Jn 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.






Ex 12:48: And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Num 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.



Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.



Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.



why is this dennis?

why don't you tell the reason why the LORD said so.

I guarantee you God's reason is different from man's. Mans reason is racist.



this is where you trully error in the lcak of knowledge concerning the bible.

Mt 13v
24: Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26: But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27: So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28: He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29: But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30: Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

God removed the stoning.



of course they are.

Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Deut 14:2 for thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

Deut 4:1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you.
2: Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
3: Your eyes have seen what the LORD did because of Baal-peor: for all the men that followed Baal-peor, the LORD thy God hath destroyed them from among you.
4: But ye that did cleave unto the LORD your God are alive every one of you this day.
5: Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6: Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
7: For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?



no brother again your lack of knowledge shows

6: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel

what do priest do?

what will a kindgom of priest do? teach nations!!!!!

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what is NT separation where is this found in the bible




non sense





Paul who wrote Galatians also said in Acts

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

yet you and your Pastor continue to ignore what Paul wrote here in acts

again the word of God has shown your lack of knowledge in His word.

Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

ozell has rejected the NT

How conveint

you left off the some verses.

: And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
8: But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
9: But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
10: And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.

What God hath cleansed that call not thou common.

Dennis my man

where in the OT and NT did the Lord cleansed the common or unclean foods?

Ozell, you're not saved..........read Galatians

God has allowed all foods to be clean. It is the condition of the heart that God looks at, the spiritual!

Romans 14:20
Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

Mark 7:15
Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.'

And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, “These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth. Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.” (Leviticus 11:1-3)
Note what the Lord says to Moses, "Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat." Here the Lord gives us a description of the beast that we can eat. We may not know what a particular animal is, but by using this description we know if the beast is clean or unclean. Let's take a look at the beast that we shall not eat.

Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the hare (rabbit), because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the swine (pig, pork), though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you. (Leviticus 11:4-8)

These are the beasts that shall not be eaten. Why? Because the Lord said so! Take a look at this verse in the book of St. John. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you (John 15:14). So, if an individual call themselves a Christian or a friend of Christ, the swine (pig) should never be on your dinner plate or anything else that the Lord deems unclean. Remember that Christ is the ONE that gave the dietary law. Remember Christ was the Rock that followed our fathers in the cloud in the wilderness. Remember, He is the Lord and He change not. Remember Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever! It has nothing to do with an animal being a scavenger or anything else. It has to do with thus say the Lord. He is the one that created us, HE knows what's good or not for His creation. Let's continue;
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These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. (Leviticus 11:9)

If the fish has fins and scales it can be eaten. And if it doesn't we can’t.
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you. (Leviticus 11:10-12)
So, no shellfish. You know the lobster, the crab, crayfish, oysters, snails, etc. Those of you that like to eat catfish, it must not be eaten. The catfish has fins but it doesn't have scales. The Lord Jesus says these creatures are an abomination onto you and they shall not be eaten. Let's take a look at the fowl.
And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the osprey, And the vulture, and the kite after his kind; Every raven after his kind; And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckoo, and the hawk after his kind, And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat. All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you. (Leviticus 11:13-20)

Those of us that like to eat duck; it is an abomination. The duck is in the swan family. Let's continue;
Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth; Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind. (Leviticus 11:21-22)
Those are the insects that can be eaten.
But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you. And for these ye shall be unclean: whosoever toucheth the carcase of them shall be unclean until the even. And whosoever beareth ought of the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even. The carcases of every beast which divideth the hoof, and is not clovenfooted, nor cheweth the cud, are unclean unto you: every one that toucheth them shall be unclean. (Leviticus 11:23-26)

Tan is a Judaizer..........he's not saved

i'm a NT believer........i often eat pork.........i'm saved from my sins

Tan, read Galatians

yes you are right the Lord looks upon the condition of the heart.

Hopefully that heart is being OBEDIENT to the Word of God.




1: Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
19: Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20: For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21: It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22: Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23: And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

why did you leave off vs 21

maybe its good not to eat flesh ormaybe its not good to drink wine because he eat not of faith
the chapter speaks of Faith and those who are weak in it.

where do it say that you can eat anything in romans 14 again?.


Mark 7:15
Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.'

again sister Rose

where do it say you can eat anything in Mark 7
1: Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
2: And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
3: For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
4: And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
5: Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6: He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7: Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8: For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9: And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10: For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12: And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13: Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
14: And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15: There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16: If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17: And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18: And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19: Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20: And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21: For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22: Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

the Lord is very clear concerning the mind in this chapter why do you insist on making this fit what you eat with your mouth.

The Lord is very clear concerning what goes into your mind and come out of your mouth

Your mind controls the actions of your hands and your feet..

This response goes along with something I said earlier.

Who declares what is an abomination? Can a man say or determine what an abomination is? Or is that right reserved for the all mighty God? After all....God and God alone says what is 'Holy and what is not. Along those same lines...who are we to listen to....God or man? The answer to both is God of course.

Now since we know 'We' can't declare something an abomination.......can we REMOVE that status from something? Of course we can't. Let's look at a few things God said was an abomination:

Lev.18
[22] Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

So an 'Action' can be an abomination. Not "ALL" actions. Just the ones God said.


Deut.7
[25] The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.

An 'object' can be an abomination. Not "ALL" objects.


Deut.17
[1] Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God any bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, or any evilfavouredness: for that is an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

So even thou Israel are to sacrifice sheep and bullock to the Lord, God said there are some that are an abomination to Him. Not "ALL", just the ones He says are.


Deut.25
[16] For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

So we see that even people, not "ALL", but some people can be an abomination to God.


In the scriptures above it should be noted, as I pointed out after each verse, not "ALL" of those things are an abomination.


But could there be things that are an abomination "ALL" of the time? Let's read the word of God to find out!


Lev.11
[2] Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
[3] Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.


Lev.11
[10] And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
[11] They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

Notice it said, "ALL"!!



Lev.11
[20] All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
[23] But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.
[41] And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.

Again, notice the words, "ALL" and "EVERY"!!



Lev.11
[29] These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,
[30] And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.


Let's just take a look at (2) of the animals God calls an abomination and see what lies in store for those that choose to continue to disobey God's laws. Let's look at the fate of those that consume the "MOUSE" and the "SWINE!!!


Isa.66
[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

The above verse is talking about a future event. Daniel calls it, 'the time of Jacobs troubles', Jesus called it, "a time of great tribulations". It is also called "the day of the Lord" or, "The Lords day"!! But most of us know it as the second coming of Christ!

Now let's read some of the things Christ will be doing upon His return:

Isa.13
[6] Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
[9] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it

Jer.46
[10] For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood:

Zeph.1
[8] And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

These are just some of the things that will happen when the Lord returns.


But the next three verses deal with things the Lord called an "ABOMINATION"!!!!

Isa. 66
[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD

Now why on earth would God consume those that eat swine's flesh and the mouse?

Can anyone give me a BIBLICAL answer for that?

Why would God destroy a person for eating pork?

Could it be because it is an abomination?

I think I'll take my chances and just stay clear of all of those things God said were an abomination.

The risk is WAY TOO HIGH!!!!

ISAIAH 66;10-24

these verses describe the MILLENNIAL REIGN and ETERNITY FUTURE,,,,,,,,,,,,during which,,,,,,,,,some people will be immortals (Saints, the Church, the Bride of Christ)...........and some people during this time will be mortals, having babies, generations, living and die-ing,,,,,,some of these mortals will rebel against the Lord at the END-OF-MILL-REIGN

in this present dispensation, it is obvious that we GENTILE BELIEVERS are allowed to eat pork

Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Act 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

and also, Jewish Christians are allowed to eat pork in this dispensation........the dietary rules are null and void TODAY (Collossians 2;16)


when the MILL REIGN starts, the desert will bloom as the rose garden..............the world will be a very different place!

the JUDAIZERS are not saved from their sins..........read galatians

strangled meat contains the blood in it..........and God forbids us from eating blood

the JUDAIZERS require us to go back to the dead religion JUDAISM.........which God destroyed both spiritually and physically 1900 years ago.

the types and shadows of JUDAISM point to Christ,,,,,,,,,but the types are NOT christ

the JUDAIZERS are dead spiritually
the Christians are alive spiritually

Jesus destroyed the JUDAISM STONE TEMPLE...........Jesus builded the Temple again in 3 days.........the Temple which is His living Body, the Body of Christ

Mat 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

in the OT, the dietary laws said.........don't eat (physically) un-clean foods

in the NT, the old OT dietary rules are a SYMBOL..........it means "don't eat (spiritually) un-clean foods, such as sin, heresy, false religion, lusts, carnal things, foolishness, etc"

every NT spiritual doctrine has a physical picture-story in the OT.........such as .........the passover lamb is a SYMBOL of Jesus, the LAMB OF GOD, WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD

JUDAISM and RCC (and many false religions) love the physical.
True Christianity loves the Spiritual.

Is it possible for you to really answer a question?

Again.....Can you please give me a BIBLICAL reason why would God punish those that eat swine/pork upon His second coming?

Can you tell me who has the authority to make something NOT ABOMINABLE?

Did God EVER say that what was sinful is no longer sinful?

If you can just get back with me on those that would be great.

I hope those reading these post see how you do not answer the questions I present and the total lack of scripture you provide when replying to my questions.

Oh I'm sure they see!!!


OK....Mr. I'll avoid the Questions....let's look at the (1) verse you provided:

Acts 21
[25] As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

First I must ask you this....Out of all the things said to the Gentiles the "ONLY things Gentiles are to avoid are the following; "save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication."

These are the only things they are to avoid? Well let's look at the verse right above the one you provided and see what it says:

Acts 21
[24] Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

What Paul did here was to prove to them that the things they heard about him were wrong and that he yet KEPT THE LAW!!!

So let me get this correct,

You are saying that: God said we can not eat pork in the OT. It is O.K. to eat pork now. But in the "MILLENNIAL REIGN and ETERNITY FUTURE", God will once again bring back and enforce His Dietary Laws!

That does not sound like a fair God. What do you think the Israel of the OT will say on judgment day looking over at the "saint" that was able to eat the "Abomination"? And what about those entering the "MILLENNIAL REIGN" that once eat all flesh and now must abide by all of these Laws?

Does that sound like a fair God to you?
Acts.10
[34] Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:


Is that what you are selling?


How about this for a different angle:

Has it ever occured to you that the church did not alway get the correct information? Let's read a little bible history.

Mark.10
[2] And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.
[3] And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
[4] And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
[5] And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
[6] But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
[7] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
[8] And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
[9] What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

So God never intended for a man to be separated from his wife.

It was because of the hardness of their hearts that he allowed it.

With that said....again I must ask....Who has the authority to change what God has put in place? The apostles? A bishop? What about a pastor? Can Paul? Can ANYMAN change an abomination to something that is clean and acceptable to God?

And is it possible to like answer the questions this time with verses from the bible?

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

before the fall,,,,,,,,all men and animals were vegetarians

after the flood, men ate animals.........no restrictions of any kind.......

except you can't eat animal flesh with blood in it

Gen 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Gen 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
Gen 9:7 And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.

so, noah and his descendants.....ate any animal.....until Mt. Sinai .........the LAW OF MOSES forbad eating pork

so, one day,,,,,,,,it's not abomination..........the next day, it is abomination...........

God has blessed us with different dispensations..............

in THIS dispensation, TODAY, we are allowed to eat pork

the LAW OF MOSES has vanished 1900 years ago

Gen 18:8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

abe ate calf..........after noah,,,,,,,

You might find this scripture kind of interesting. It open
my eyes to understand that the clean and unclean animals been going on since the beginning of God creating man. Lets go to Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. See, this been establish from the beginning.

Lets take a look at another scripture that talks about the
eating of swine (pork) now remind you that this is talking place in the future.

Lets go to Isaiah 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. That tree represent satin
the devil. Lets go to Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

What you think about that?

ISAIAH 66;10-24

these verses describe the MILLENNIAL REIGN and ETERNITY FUTURE,,,,,,,,,,,,during which,,,,,,,,,some people will be immortals (Saints, the Church, the Bride of Christ)...........and some people during this time will be mortals, having babies, generations, living and die-ing,,,,,,some of these mortals will rebel against the Lord at the END-OF-MILL-REIGN

in this present dispensation, it is obvious that we GENTILE BELIEVERS are allowed to eat pork

Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Act 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

and also, Jewish Christians are allowed to eat pork in this dispensation........the dietary rules are null and void TODAY (Collossians 2;16)


when the MILL REIGN starts, the desert will bloom as the rose garden..............the world will be a very different place!

the JUDAIZERS are not saved from their sins..........read galatians

strangled meat contains the blood in it..........and God forbids us from eating blood

as i was writing this post,,,,,,,it dawned on me..........

from Abraham till Mt. Sinai,,,,,,,,all people were allowed to eat pork

so, Abe, Issac, Israel, the 12 sons of Israel, the children of israel in Egypt,,,,,,,,up until Mt. Sinai........were allowed to eat pork

then, 1500 years of NOT EATING PORK

then the NT christian Church started,,,,,,,,,and all people could eat pork again............unless the pork had blood in it, or was offered to idols.

my understanding is:

in the MILL REIGN AND/OR BEYOND, INTO ETERNITY FUTURE,,,,,,,,,,
no animal or men will hurt other animals or men.............all animals and men and Saints will be vegetarians

the lion will lie down with the lamb.........nothing and no-one will hurt or destroy

EVERYTHING in the garden of eden was good..........god said it was VERY GOOD..........so, there was no hurt or discomfort or death for any animal or man.........before the fall

in ETERNITY FUTURE,,,,,,,,,that VERY GOOD will be restored

HALLELJAH!

OK... Mr. "no restrictions of any kind".

First you must know that when God finished the creation.....that was it. He was done. Whatever was on the earth, even in the universe, by the time He rested was it. Nothing else to be made.

Gen.2
[1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Did you get that in verse 3? "...he had rested from ALL his work which God created and made.

Again we have the word ALL!!!

So that was it. Nothing else to be made....at least not by God (Another lesson)!!!

So if everything was finished that would explain the following verses.

Gen 7
2] Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

Now I wonder what is meant here by "Clean Beast" and "Not Clean Beast"? Looks like Noah also new about clean and unclean animals. And it looks like a restriction to me!!!!

Now if the dietary laws did not come into place until Moses, what is being spoken of above? Can I get an answer please.

Now when God said He was finished He meant it. Proven by the following verse;

[3] Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.




So now let's make it all comes together.


When God said He was done with creation....He was truly done. Gen 2:3

Noah was told by God to bring in unclean beast by (2) and clean beast by (7). Gen 7:2

God used Noah to keep the seed, which he created, alive. Gen 7:3

Gods dietary laws were in effect before Moses. Gen 7:2


Here is a question...Why do you think God told Noah to gather the clean beast by (7)?

That's right.....because Noah and his family had to eat. And they could only eat "clean beast".

If they had eaten either the male or the female of the unclean beast the animal would have been extinct.

And God was complete with creation so a male and a female was needed to propogate the species.

So the dietary laws exsisted before Noah. As a matter of fact, ALL of the laws that Moses gave to the nation of Israel exsisted long before Moses came on the scene.

NEXT!!!!!!!!!!

Are you guys reading these post? You may not say it but I know someone is!!!!!!!!

In this present dispensation are allowed to eat pork? The Jews are allowed to eat pork too?

God must be some wafflehead- jelly back- crawfish- flippy- floppy wimp who we can't even trust to save us since he might change his mind and word about that too! That would also make him a liar! Lying when he said:

Heb 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
Psa 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

To the Lord Jesus Christ King of Heaven and Earth:

If you ever change or alter what has already proceeded out of your mouth then I will not trust you, nor will I make mention of your Great Name ever again!

You dont have to strike me with a bolt of lightning I'm sure they will do a good job here.

Noah came out of the ark,,,,,,,,,,then, God told him that he could eat animals as well as plants...........Noah was no longer a vegetarian only


why did Noah take clean and un-clean animals into the ark?............for sacrifice..........Noah was a vegetarian until AFTER THE FLOOD subsided

during the flood, while noah was in the ark,,,,,,,,,noah made animal sacrifices unto the Lord,,,,,,,,,for noah's sin,,,,,,and for his family's sins............those sacrificed animals needed to be clean animals (not un-clean)

Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
after the Fall,,,,,,God killed animals, and made clothes for adam and eve from their skins...........animal sacrifice is started

there is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood...........the life is in the blood........the wages of sin is death

As I have always asked for...can you please provide Book, chapter and verse where God told Noah he could eat plants and veggies too. I do know what Noah did AFTER leaving the ark:

Gen.8
[20] And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
[21] And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Sorry but no mention of any sacrifices made Before leaving.

Now let me understand you:

Before you said you could not eat pork in the OT. Pork can be eaten now. But God will enforce His Dietary laws in the future!

But now you are saying, pork could be eaten until the time of Moses. Then could not be eaten during the rest of the OT. Can be eaten now. But will not be able to be eaten in the future!

1Cor.14
[33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

The argument that God *mentioned* "clean" and "unclean" beasts does not dismiss what God spoke to Noah concerning what he could eat for food.

Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Gen 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.


Also, Jesus explained that it is not what enters into a man which defiles him, but rather what proceeds out of the heart which defiles a man. For out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. Hearts full of adultery, greed and murder are abominable in His sight.

Those of you who want to live under this burden of dietary law...you use the argument that clean and unclean were mentioned before Noah, so this must mean that it was a law meant to be kept forever...if that were the case, then go and sacrifice animals to God too...because we read of the first sacrifice when God used animal skins to cover Adam and Even...and then afterwards we read of Abel offering his sacrifice as well. Your argument is flawed.

And YES, the word EVERY means exactly that.....EVERY.

I will present to you the same question I presented to D.Mann and I'm still waiting for a BIBLICAL answer. So if you can please explain this to me that would be great!!


Let's just take a look at (2) of the animals God called "un-clean" and see what lies in store for those that choose to eat them. Let's look at the fate of those that consume the "MOUSE" and the "SWINE!!!


Isa.66
[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

The above verse is talking about a future event. Daniel calls it, 'the time of Jacobs troubles', Jesus called it, "a time of great tribulations". It is also called "the day of the Lord" or, "The Lords day"!! But most of us know it as the second coming of Christ! This is not during the 1000 year period, this is when God comes to render His wrath.

Now let's read some of the things Christ will be doing upon His return:

Isa.13
[6] Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
[9] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Notice the verse said he shall destroy the sinners. Now just in case there are some that's unaware of what a sinner does let's read it now:

1 John 3:[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

So now we know who it is the Lord will be destroying when He returns....those that transgress the Law...sinners. Also note it speaks nothing of seperating the people that lived in certain "Dispensations"...it just said SINNERS!!!!! Let's read more!

Jer.46
[10] For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood:

Zeph.1
[8] And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.


These are just some of the things that will happen when the Lord returns.


But the next three verses deal with things the Lord called an "ABOMINATION"!!!! He also said these things were "UN-CLEAN"

Isa. 66
[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

So again, this is the same time, for there can only be one time such as this. And again we find the Lord returning and killing. Let's again read who it is the Lord's wrath is against!


[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD

Now the first part of this is interesting. "Those that sanctify themselves and purify themselves" Or those that make themselves "Holy". Now who is the only one that can declare something 'Holy' or 'Un-Holy'? GOD!!! He hold that right and no other.

So we can see why His wrath is upon those that declare themselves or something else Holy. But what about the next part? Who is the next group He will consume?


Those, "...eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord."


Now why on earth would God consume those that eat swine's flesh, the abomination, and the mouse?

It doesn't say He will only consume those of the OT "Dispensation". It does not state it is limited to the nation of Israel. All that is said is that the Lord will consume those that eat "Pork", the :Abomination", and the "Mouse"!!!

Can anyone give me a BIBLICAL answer for that?

Why would God destroy a person for eating pork?

Could it be because it is an "UN-CLEAN" animal? Could it be because God said not to eat them and by eating them you are transgressing His Laws? After all, those are the ones He is coming back to consume!


And as far as Noah being able to eat any animal as you say, let me ask you this.

It is obvious God told Noah what animals were "clean" and "Un-clean", Noah would not have known that on his own.

Do you think, knowing that there was a difference, Noah would choose to eat an "Un-Clean" animal verses a "Clean" animal?

Again.....I'm still waiting on an answer from Mr. D. Mann. Maybe you can give it to me sooner!



And as far as sacrifice to God, As you know Jesus took care of that for us.

That's why the vail rent in twain. (Matt.27:51) That's what it was that was the school master, until Jesus came to stop it. (Gal.3:24) That was a shadow of things to come. (Heb.10:1) That was the law that was ADDED because of transgressions. (Gal.3:19)

THAT WAS THE LAW THAT WAS NAILED TO THE CROSS....ANIMAL SACRIFICE!!!!! (Col.2:14)


There is a lesson for you right there.....if you would just take the time and pray for understanding.

I pray you will.

collossians 2;16
you've not dealt with that yet.

I see we are using the KJV this time! Bravo!!!

I have dealt with it and I will do so again. But this time, could you please just answer the question I've presented to you?

For the umpteenth time..here it is again!!!!


Col.2:[16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

First of all, explain to me how this is saying you can eat anything, or for that matter, serve God on any day you like.

This verse is talking to those keeping the law. Paul is telling them not to let what others say, non-law keepers, those outside of the body of Christ, bother you! I know you can see that.

If not, let's break it down:

First let's see who the "You" is in the verse;

Col.1
[1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
[2] To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

So we know that Paul is talking to the saints at Colosse.

Now let's find out who the "Man" is Paul is referring to;

Col.1
[4] And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
[18] Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

So now we see that the "Man" being spoken of is ouside the body of Christ, not the saints at Colosse.

Now what is Paul saying to the body of Christ, or the saints?

Let no "Man", beguile you; let no "Man" spoil you; and let no "Man" JUDGE YOU as far as what "YOU" the body of Christ eat, drink or observe.

There is no way this is saying the saints at Colosse can eat anything they want or observe any day they choose. Because if they did that they would be sanctifying themselves!!!



OK....Mr. "Can't remember going over this once before" I've dealt with Col.2:16. And for those watching this post, I've dealt with everything else Mr. D.Mann has presented.


So if you don't mind...let's deal with this:


Let's just take a look at (2) of the animals God called "un-clean" and see what lies in store for those that choose to eat them. Let's look at the fate of those that consume the "MOUSE" and the "SWINE!!!


Isa.66
[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

The above verse is talking about a future event. Daniel calls it, 'the time of Jacobs troubles', Jesus called it, "a time of great tribulations". It is also called "the day of the Lord" or, "The Lords day"!! But most of us know it as the second coming of Christ! This is not during the 1000 year period, this is when God comes to render His wrath.

Now let's read some of the things Christ will be doing upon His return:

Isa.13
[6] Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
[9] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Notice the verse said he shall destroy the sinners. Now just in case there are some that's unaware of what a sinner does let's read it now:

1 John 3:[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

So now we know who it is the Lord will be destroying when He returns....those that transgress the Law...sinners. Also note it speaks nothing of seperating the people that lived in certain "Dispensations"...it just said SINNERS!!!!! Let's read more!

Jer.46
[10] For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood:

Zeph.1
[8] And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.


These are just some of the things that will happen when the Lord returns.


But the next three verses deal with things the Lord called an "ABOMINATION"!!!! He also said these things were "UN-CLEAN"

Isa. 66
[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

So again, this is the same time, for there can only be one time such as this. And again we find the Lord returning and killing. Let's again read who it is the Lord's wrath is against!


[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD

Now the first part of this is interesting. "Those that sanctify themselves and purify themselves" Or those that make themselves "Holy". Now who is the only one that can declare something 'Holy' or 'Un-Holy'? GOD!!! He holds that right and no other.

So we can see why His wrath is upon those that declare themselves or something else Holy. But what about the next part? Who is the next group He will consume?


Those, "...eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord."


Now why on earth would God consume those that eat swine's flesh, the abomination, and the mouse? Mind you this is upon His return. Not during His 1000 yr. rule. These actions are going to be performed the moment His feet touch the Mount of Olives!!!

It doesn't say He will only consume those of the OT "Dispensation". It does not state it is limited to the nation of Israel. All that is said is that the Lord will consume those that eat "Pork", the :Abomination", and the "Mouse"!!!

Can anyone give me a BIBLICAL answer for that?

Why would God destroy a person for eating pork?

Could it be because it is an "UN-CLEAN" animal? Could it be because God said not to eat them and by eating them you are transgressing His Laws? After all, those are the ones He is coming back to consume...the sinners!


OK Mr. D.Mann....it's your turn now!!!!

you've not believed the verses that i already gave you, JUDAIZER.

you twisted the scripture,,,,,,,,,you did not believe the scripture.

reading the first few posts, I was just thenking about there being very good reasons for why were not to eat foods that G-d told us not to eat in the oldtes....

one i found out was meat and using the mothers mike in it. we arent to mix the two! There is a cemical reaction to that harms our inside when this is done, causeing proublems. But we just love you graves over our meat, to cheeses on them as well.
I like cheese on my humburgers but, after my tommy would hert ofter this, I stopped that, and as best as I can keep dary off my meat.

there is a good reason why every time, and and there is many times shown in his word, a spiritual side to every thing stated, at less as far as I know!

Hugs!