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Eccl12and13
While looking up stuff on youtube I ran across this clip. But before viewing it let's review something first. Let's review just some of the curses God said would come upon the nation of Israel and her seed forever if they did not obey all of the commandments of God....and as we all know.....they failed.



Deut.28

[15] But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
[16] Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
[17] Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
[18] Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
[38] Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
[39] Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
[40] Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
[41] Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
[42] All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.

So all of the land where Israel dwells and their produce will be cursed and their sons and daughters will go into captivity. After watching the clip you can decide if the land and all that is produced from it is cursed!!!



[43] The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
[44] He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

And strangers within the land where Israel dwells will come up higher and will loan Israel money. So what strangers are in Israel doing better than them and loaning THEM money?



[25] The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
[64] And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
[65] And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:

And Israel will be scattered by God into different nation and not serve their God. Not migrate.....but be removed and scattered into ALL of the kingdoms of the earth. Are the people living in Israel serving their God today? Yes they are...every Sabbath and High day!!!



Isa.42:[22] But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.

And Israel is stolen from, hid in prison, but no one says restore. Just how many 'Jews' occupy the prison systems? How long have the the land been restored to the people that are in Israel today? 60 years!!!



[46] And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

And these curses are to last, not only for Israel of old, but even unto the seed of Israel. So these curses still apply to this day. And these curses are to be used as a SIGN and a wonder. Because...if you find a people that ALL of these curses apply to you have found Israel.


These are just a FEW of the curses God said he would put upon Israel if they did not obey His commandments. Now we know Israel did not obey, so let's watch the video and see Israel's condition today.

While watching the video, along with the script to read, go back and view the images, the people, the country and background. This is Israel showing the world its accomplishments, but according to scripture, this is not to be.

It's funny how the media often depicts Israel as war torn and destroyed...I would have to say this clip shows a much different Israel. One that I'm not used to seeing


So what do you think about God's curses being upon 'These' people, the Jews!!!!


Makes you wonder about what the angel of the Lord had John to write in the book of Rev:


Rev 2:[8] And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

[9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:[9] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Thanks and Peace in Jesus name.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV6K08RFRQs...feature=related

tsth
Dear Eccl,

I believe it is the depiction of every nation that began with God, and then turned away from Him to idols/greed/materialism.

THIS IS THE PROCESS.


And I would just point out that even America, (especially in the South) has many coming in, to rise up and begin to take the places of those who were born here. The strangers replace those of heritage, (think of our illegal immigration problem).



In His Love,
Suzanne



dennis mann
in Judges,,,,,,,,israel was un-faithful, and suffered

in the time of David/Solomon,,,,,,,,israel enjoyed a GOLDEN AGE of success, power, wealth, victory over their enemies, etc............because David believed and loved God
David is a "little Jesus".........as a type


then , israel gradually went bad,,,,,and was exiled to assyria and babylon

god rescued israel from babylon

israel rejected Christ,,,,,,,,,and the Romans destroyed israel in 70 ad

after 1900 years of being scattered, God is restoring israel to the PROMISED LAND...........why?..........is israel a believer now?.........no

most Israelies today, are atheists...........a small minority are OT believers............very, very few are NT believers

the OT REQUIRES israel to believe Jesus,,,,,,,,,so , REALLY, it's impossible (today) to believe the OT , without believing the NT also.

soon, Israel will convert to NT,,,,,,,,,,,,,and at mid-trib, the 144,000 will be sealed (shekel said so)

some israelis will NOT believe Jesus UNTIL the end-of-trib,,,,,,,,,,,when they see Christ return


remember, God sends his sunshine and rain on all people,,,,,,,,good and bad

also,,,,,,,israel has fought 3 major wars since 1948.............1948, 1967, 1973
in each war, it was impossible for israel to win,,,,,,but they won (by miracles)...........God was in it!

the Trib will start soon,,,,,,,,the times of the gentiles will soon end,,,,,,,,,,,then, Daniel's 70th week will begin..........7 years of JACOB'S TROUBLE

the re-gathering of israel into the PROMISED LAND is predicted by scripture more than once,,,,,,,,,,,God is doing it gradually

the endtimes is a long, slow process



Delusional
Spiritual law

You reap what you sow, whether your a soul, spirit, or nation.

Sometimes it takes longer to culminate in the case of nations, but the truth is always the same.
Gideon7620
QUOTE (Delusional @ Aug 19 2008, 09:16 PM) *
Spiritual law

You reap what you sow, whether your a soul, spirit, or nation.

Sometimes it takes longer to culminate in the case of nations, but the truth is always the same.



Very true, and to answer the question, undoubtedly America is gravely cursed, as it is the only nation that fits the description of Mystery Babylon, the Harlot we see in Revelation 18. This nation as described is to give birth to the antichrist. Ironically he will eventually hate the whore, form an allegiance with 10 other nations to destroy her. .
Delusional
QUOTE (Gideon7620 @ Aug 19 2008, 09:23 PM) *
QUOTE (Delusional @ Aug 19 2008, 09:16 PM) *
Spiritual law

You reap what you sow, whether your a soul, spirit, or nation.

Sometimes it takes longer to culminate in the case of nations, but the truth is always the same.



Very true, and to answer the question, undoubtedly America is gravely cursed, as it is the only nation that fits the description of Mystery Babylon, the Harlot we see in Revelation 18. This nation as described is to give birth to the antichrist. Ironically he will eventually hate the whore, form an allegiance with 10 other nations to destroy her. .


Yes my blessed country. Too bad we never learned to reflect on our actions. Pride is the prime source of corruption, I'd say more but I would offend my patriotic family (even though I'd be right). God will humble the proud so I'll leave it up to him. Vengeance is his after all.
dennis mann
QUOTE (Gideon7620 @ Aug 19 2008, 09:23 PM) *
QUOTE (Delusional @ Aug 19 2008, 09:16 PM) *
Spiritual law

You reap what you sow, whether your a soul, spirit, or nation.

Sometimes it takes longer to culminate in the case of nations, but the truth is always the same.



Very true, and to answer the question, undoubtedly America is gravely cursed, as it is the only nation that fits the description of Mystery Babylon, the Harlot we see in Revelation 18. This nation as described is to give birth to the antichrist. Ironically he will eventually hate the whore, form an allegiance with 10 other nations to destroy her. .


the Rev 17 whore is the RCC............

the whole world is against christ...........Babylon is the world-system that opposes god

the last and final and most perfected form of Babylon, in the endtimes, is the RCC

the 4th kingdom of Daniel 2 is Rome (RCC)

Rome destroyed Israel in 70 ad...........daniel 9;26..........a roman (the a/c) will be the "prince " of the "people" (Rome) who destroyed rome in 70 AD
Eccl12and13
[size="4"][/size] I don't think the readers are quite getting the contrast I'm trying to point out.

Israel did not obey God.

God put these curses on the nation of Israel (All 12 tribes) and upon their seed after them as a sign to the world.

The curses are still on the seed of Israel today because they did not obey God.

After watching the video would you say the curses, that are to be on the seed of Israel, are upon the people that occupy the land?

And if not...........could this people be someone else?

And if they are not who they claim to be, then where or who is the real Israel?

Hence:

Rev 2:[8] And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

[9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:[9] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Peace in the name of Jesus.

Delusional
Very few obeyed God. Thank the heavenly father for grace.
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