Dedicated to `Bill`: The Russian/Rosh/Resh/Head/Gog-Magog



http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/gogmagog.php

4. Russian Theory: The Hebrew word 'rosh' in verse 3 is identified with Russia, 'Tubal' with Tiblisi or Tobolsk and 'Meshech' with Moscow, therefore Gog and Magog refers to Russia. This is one of the most commonly held views and is based on a different interpretation of the Hebrew word Rosh (used as a noun rather than adjective), similarities in the pronunciation of words, and the Greek translation of Rosh referring to a tribe of people found in what is now Russia.



http://www.answers.com/topic/resh

Origins of Resh

Resh is usually assumed to have come from a pictogram of a head (in modern Hebrew rosh; in Arabic, ra's). The word's East Semitic cognate, riš, was one possible phonetic reading of the Sumerian cuneiform sign for "head" (SAG





http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/gogmagogPF.php

Below is a list of the nations that are listed in Ezekiel as Israel's last-days enemies:

ANCIENT NAME
MODERN NATION
EXPLANATION

Rosh Russia or Chief
Ancient Sarmatians known as Rashu, Rasapu, Ros, and Rus.

OR

Translated as the adjective Chief.





http://www.abarim-publications.com/Hebrew_...et_Meaning.html

The very common word (rosh 2097) basically means head, but is used to indicate whatever leads or comes first: captain, summit, cap stone. Preceded by the particle beth and in the form (reshit 2097e), first, beginning, best, it is the first word of the Bible: , Breshit; In the beginning.
The word is also used to indicate a certain plant (called head) that yields poison: (rosh 2098), gall, venom. TWOTOT and BDB note that this usage is always figurative: Deut 32:32, Ps 69:21.
A third usage of this word is (resh 2138a), poverty, from the root (rush 2138), be poor.

Dedicated To `bill`: Russian Theory/rosh/resh/head, GOG-MAGOG . . . Russia/Tubal;Moscow
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry224311



~who Is Gog And Magog~ ?, "answer's from britam.org"
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=22251&hl=



POST #20
STEPHEN
Will Russia Try To Attack Israel When Finished With Georgia?, Gog, Magog, Israel and Russia
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...22387&st=18
He will also annihilate many in reaction to perceived threats from the north (possibly Russian) and east (possibly China) of Abaddon's base of operations.

Daniel's vision in chapter 8 conveys the dual nature of this final king of the north. He operates as a human king by expanding his earthly empire to the south, the east, and toward the Land of Israel.

crownsevenalphabet: I am here. I'm sure you have read my PM regarding "The Problem" Been a bad day, I will explain later. Man's Law vs God's Law. I have other things to say on Gog & Magog. I will post ASAP. May God Bless you.

Just a'waiting your participation, brother !



http://www.globalthink.net/global/godslaw.html

God's Law or Man's Law?

I'm not certain which of the two Gog threads I should post a reply on so after....eenie, meenie, miney, moe....here I am!


I very much agree that Gog and Magog is speaking about Russia. The Gog and Magog written of in Revelation doesn't appear to be the same thing as the pre-millennial Gog.

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Here, apparently an inclusive term for all the Gentile nations; East (Gog) and West (Magog). The destruction of Gog and Magog, Ezek 39, is pre-millennial. ~ E.W. Bullinger

Strong's gives the definition of Gog in the New Testament as....A symbolic name for some future antichrist while in the Old Testament it is....The name of an Isr. also of some northern nation..

The Gog and Magog that will apply to our near future is found in:

Ezekiel 38:2 "Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

38:3 And say,'Thus saith the Lord God; 'Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

Tubal is Tubal Cain, one of Cain's children....a Kenite.
Chief means ...Rosh, changed to Roush and means - Russia!
Prince of Mescheh - Mescheh is of old and is where Moscow is today so....Moscow, the prince of Russia is...the government! Tubal was a little south of Moscow and they are the children of Esau.

There has always been a conflict between the two superpowers America and Russia and it began in the womb:

Genesis 25:11 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, "If it be so, why am I thus?" And she went to enquire of the Lord.

23. And the Lord said unto her, "Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

24. And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.

25. And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.

26. And after that came his brother out, and his hand toook hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.

From Jacob (changed to Israel) came the twelve tribes. Ten of which are the ten lost tribes or the "house of Israel." They are the Christians of today and America is the nation that strugged with Russia in the womb.

Esau is Russia. Jacob is Israel, (all twelve tribes)....the house of Israel, (ten northern tribes), is North America while the house of Judah, (Judah and Benjamin), is the Nation of Israel.

So....who or what is Gog and Magog? Strong's tells us that Gog is the name of a Northern nation while Haman (Hamangog) means...the multitude of Gog. The multitude of the northern nation - Russia! So, in looking at the scriptures again.....

Ezekiel 38:2 "Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

38:3 And say,'Thus saith the Lord God; 'Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

We see that the Lord is against Russia and it's chief prince Moscow and the multitude of Esau. Why? Because he sold his birthright for a bowl of soup. Russia today sells their birthright by being Communist. They teach against their Father!

Romans 9:13 As it is written, "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

If the following scriptures are to be properly understood, or, as I believe they should be interpreted, you must recognize that the house of Israel is not the Nation of Israel but are the Christians of today. God scattered them and them migrated through Europe, England and on to America. America is the land of Israel in this prophecy.

Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

The latter years - the end times. The house of Israel is gathered in America.

11. And thou shalt say, 'I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

This is America. We rose to power in such a short time and that wasn't by accident.

14. Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, 'Thus saith the Lord God; 'In that day when My People of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

15. And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of the riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

The north parts - From Russia through Alaska.

16. And thou shalt come up against My People of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against My land, that the heathen may know Me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.'

The Battle of Hamangog of Joel 2. God does this....He brings them against the land and will fight the battle so all know He is the Lord. We purchased Alaska from Russia. Seward, the same man that established the Republican Party when they split from the Whig Party over the slavery issue, purchased Alaska for seven million dollars (#7 spiritual perfection). Seward's Peninsula freezes in the winter and joins with Russia. The army will "come from the north."

The Battle of Hamangog (multitude of Gog) will be fought in Alaska while Armageddon will be fought in Jerusalem...both fought by God and at the same time....right before the last trump.


That is what someone taught me and I find it to be very plausible!

crownsevenalphabet;
As promised I am posting, however in not the original way I intended. Let me preface this post by saying that I have made a baited question to a entity on this forum, with no answer which means to me that I am being watched very closely, and maybe you are also. This is Shekel's forum and I will not compromise him in any way. I may be a dangerous person because of hackers and key words being watched by others, in higher places other than in this forum. I will only state facts and experience, and one scripture.

I worked in Saudi Arabia from 1992-1995. I survived 2 out of 20 hired, because of culture shock. 18 returned to the U.S. In my 3 year tenure, I was employed by one of the only Saudi Families who could "Sit" with King Fahid. I reported to to an Egyptian man of prominence in Egypt. I dined with a relation of the head of the United Nations. These men I will not name because of their prominence, and are still living. They could be labeled as "Coptic Christians". I had many Muslim, Hindu, Catholic, and Christian friends. I also had as many people that disliked me because I was TESTED for the stealing of money, from my employer. My statement to the test was "The Sheikh pays me enough money to be here, so I do not need yours" I would push the money back to the tester. Also, I am American. When I first entered Saudi, I landed in Jeddah. My Bible was found in my luggage. I was escorted to the Airport Captains Office. I was told that carrying a Bible in the Kingdom was a Crime. After 1 1/2 hours, I made my decision. "Put my Bible back in my luggage and send me back home". I carry the paper of permission to carry my Bible in the Kingdom as I write this. After 3 years, I increased net profit for the company, 514%. I left Saudi after 3 years, because of 1 1/2 years of 20 hour days took a toll on my health. I was also watched 24 hours a day and harassed by the Mutawwa, Where is the American? Usually at Prayer time. And by the way, I do not know of any Muslum
who has to surrender their Quran when entering the U.S.

While in Saudi Arabia there was a search for the REAL MT. Sinai. Most people do not know where it is, however I know. I have seen the Rock, Smitten by Moses and the Sacrificial Altar. Now the Saudi's know and so do the Americans. This place is now heavily guarded by the Saudi's with NO admittance by any person. This discovery involved real bullets from machine guns, arrests, and harassments. In 1995, my "Eyes" were opened.

As for Gog and Magog: Ezekiel 38:4, I will turn thee back and put hooks in thy jaws........
And yes, I know what the Quran says about Yajuj & Majuj. I purchased the Quran while there. I will say that I disagree with the Quran in this particular portion.

Gog is Russia. "From the North". As I write this, Russia is not pulling out of Ossetia. The reason is the Port of Poti, entrance to the Black Sea, and the Oil pipeline which serves the European Economic Community. The Russian Ruble crashed in 1998 and regained strength until recently. Reason, Communism. Putin can't afford to loose this location. Now an American destroyer is ported at Batumi. 3 more coming. It is now a war of attrition. Who will succeed? I don't know at this point, but keep watching the news, by the minute.

Magog: Who and Where? Magog will be Islam and the war will be in the Middle East. However, the latest map is pointing to the U.S. and Bush. Why? I believe that the Jihadists in the U.S. will return to the Middle East for this war. Israel. This is not the Anti Christ or Armageddon. These events are yet to come. We will see.

War: I worked for a military contractor for the U.S. Air Force as recently as 2002. I cannot say who or where because a vow of secrecy. I can tell you that within 10 seconds, that Military Command in the U.S. will know the location and place of target
of any rocket that leaves the Earth's surface for immediate response. I still have contact with a person who "Watches" these events. This will be Armageddon, when All come against God's favored people.

In concluding, "The Train" of time is running, and it appears to me that it is not slowing down. Time is becoming short.
My "Eyes" can see this. I cannot tell you why I have been given this "Gift". The only reason I can think of is I have been chosen to be a "Soldier". Birth Year: 1949.

By the way, I am listening to the sweet sound of"A" as I write this.

I am ending with The Lord's Prayer. Amen.

Gog is Russia. "From the North". As I write this, Russia is not pulling out of Ossetia. The reason is the Port of Poti, entrance to the Black Sea, and the Oil pipeline which serves the European Economic Community. The Russian Ruble crashed in 1998 and regained strength until recently. Reason, Communism. Putin can't afford to loose this location. Now an American destroyer is ported at Batumi. 3 more coming. It is now a war of attrition. Who will succeed? I don't know at this point, but keep watching the news, by the minute.



Dearest BillD:

Yesterday, August 24th, 2008, I was given the following, to add to your theme: FROM THE NORTH


Rehoboam = Northern Kingdom = known as Israel

Southern Kingdom = known as Judah


Formerly, I was assisted by Stephen @forum, with my thoughts about how everything is the
NORTH.
And how the 33rd North Parallel in geographic understanding is hot spot areas of war :

ALL THING anti-christ are geographic NORTH.


The warriors of Dan Tribe are Northern Tribe.
Which as you know, are left out of Revelations . . . 11 tribes listed, then Dan Tribe
rejoins . . . after ................x,y,z prophetic events


Blessings to you . . .





Symbolic "beast" Kingdoms
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...t=6&start=6

QUOTE (Stephen @ Jun 11 2008, 10:06 AM)
Phoenix,

The specific "transgressors" noted in the end time passages are the people of the prince who will come, the followers of Satan's beast in my opinion. If we are close to the beginning of 70th week, then I would suggest that these will be the adherents of Islam surrounding Israel in the Middle East.

As far as Daniel's image, I see the iron legs as two separated end time divisions immediately following the two bronze thighs, the Greek rule of the north and south before the first century. The northern leg of iron will be the smaller dominion of the little horn at the time of the end. There is a breach in the scope of the visions between the thighs and the legs which as extended to this day. I don't think Rome or any subsequent changes in rule of the Middle East are in the scope. There have been several. I do see the possibility of Islam in the picture of the time of the end. Daniel's little horn will appear in the northern sector of the Middle East and he will begin with a small dominion, the 6th ..... then expand it into the 7th divided kingdom of iron and clay. He will "grow" toward the east, south, and toward Israel. He will do this by alliance and by conquest. He will defeat the king of the south [the other iron leg .... Egypt today], will overthrow three other governments in the Middle East, will fend off all outside opposition from other nations, and will invade and occupy the land of Israel. His base kingdom will cover most of the Middle east and he will rule for 42 months [second 1,260 days] with 10 other kings. He will cause much destruction for the rest of the planet. His war campaign and ultimate defeat is presented primarily in Psalms 83, Ezekiel 38,39; Daniel 11:36-45; 12:7, and Zechariah 14

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iron legs as two separated end time divisions immediately following the two bronze thighs, the Greek rule of the north and south before the first century


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The northern leg of iron will be the smaller dominion of the little horn at the time of the end.


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Daniel's little horn will appear in the northern sector of the Middle East and he will begin with a small dominion, . . .

Thank you Stephen:

I will add : a,b,c . . . to the north geography, of what you formerly helped
me to sort out. I believe the north, is involved in many things.
Did you see how the connector, between Temple Mount and Mount of Olives through the under ground tunnel, is north and the northern system of
the Temple Mount placement ?

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry193627

Ezechias Tunnel+fault Line+connects Point Mount, of Olives+Jesus' arrest+apocalyptic last judgement

Summary:
The world of warriors, are always under the direction : NORTH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/33rd_parallel_north
The parallel 33° north is an imaginary circle of latitude that is 33 degrees north of the Earth's equatorial plane.

Starting at the prime meridian and heading eastwards, the parallel 33° north passes through:

Algeria;
Tunisia;
Libya;
The Mediterranean Sea;
Israel;
The Golan Heights;
Syria;
Jordan;
Iraq;
Iran;
Afghanistan;
Pakistan;
Kashmir (area administered by Pakistan, and area administered by India);
India;
Disputed area between India and the People's Republic of China;
The People's Republic of China (including Tibet);
East China Sea;
Japan (Nakadori, Kyūshū and Shikoku);
The Pacific Ocean;
The United States;
California (San Clemente Island and mainland);
Arizona;
New Mexico;
Texas;
Arkansas / Louisiana (see below);
Mississippi;
Alabama;
Georgia;
South Carolina;
The Atlantic Ocean;
Portugal (Porto Santo Island, Madeira);
Morocco.
The parallel is notable for being the northern boundary of airspace controlled by Operation Southern Watch after the 1991 Gulf War and before the 2003 Invasion of Iraq.

It also forms the common border between Arkansas in the north and Louisiana on the south. The Louisiana Territory was that part of the 1803 Louisiana Purchase which lay north of the 33rd parallel.

The 33rd Parallel is part of the horse latitudes.



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