There are several things we must find out about the Lake of Fire. The first thing we must find out is why you will be placed in the Lake of Fire? Where it will be located? When will it be in existence? How can you burn forever and not be consumed? The scripture will answer all these question, as long as you don't lean on you own understanding and let the Bible speak for itself.

Pay close attention to what the God of Israel is saying here in Matthew. You will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven if you teach men that the law is no more. If you are the least in the kingdom you will be in the Lake of Fire. It's very clear that law is still in effect, last time I checked the heavens and the earth still exist.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
In Ezekiel Jesus informs you how a man will die. If he breaks the law and does not repent (baptized in the name of Jesus and be circumcised) he will die.Ezekiel 18:10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things, 11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbor's wife, 12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination, 13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. We have to keep in mind what sin is 1John ch3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Isaiah ch66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. 24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. Now we go into the future.

In Jerusalem. Here is something else. Who are these men that are in the Lake Of Fire? Notice all flesh shall come to worship before the Lord. Who are these men that are burning and worms eating on them. Let's go to Revelation and find out.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Palms 1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

I don't believe in a literal Lake of Fire (no offense, we all agree to disagree).. and that we presently are undergoing fiery trials every day to mould us into the character of the Lord. This present life is our LAKE OF FIRE to purify us and make us more like Jesus. There is no other place than Earth. Jesus uses the word FIRE (and God does too) to PURIFY. That is what we are currently undergoing here in this lifetime.

Respectfully, Rose

And remember, the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is within you! Jesus loves you!

Hi Rose,
I'm not here to cast stones at you, lol....but I'm concerned about this belief you are sharing. Universalism is a false doctrine. I can go so far as to say that God is merciful and can have mercy upon a soul even after death (only according to His will alone)...as well as belief that the Lake of Fire is the place of complete destruction, rather than eternal torment. But to spiritualize the meaning of the Lake of Fire dismisses the understanding of many scriptures which state otherwise. Yes, God does use refining fires (trials and harsh circumstances) to purify a person....but He also has the Lake of Fire at His disposal as well. It is referred to as the "Second Death" for a reason; Jesus made it clear that we are to fear the one who not only has power over the body, but also the soul to destroy it in hell. (not purify)

Please consider this...you will never get gold out of tin...no matter how long you heat the tin, you will always have tin. Purification is for those who already have precious qualities...and it is used to sluff off the impurities. You cannot purify junk...it is destined for the garbage heap...never to be seen again.

God bless you,
Kim

You absolutly right God is a merciful God, but thats when mercy is due. Lets look at a time coming when mercy is not due.
Lets go to Zechariah ch14:[1] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
[2] For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.[12] And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
[3] Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Lets look again at Isaiah ch66:23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
[24] And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Now the Lord is talking about carcases, bodies. People going up to look at them from one moon to another.
Let me give another example. Now satan is a falling angle ok and he also is call an unholy spirit.
In order to burn for ever you have to have an incorruptible body. Lets look at 1corinthians ch15: 38] But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Now lets take a look at a spirit bean in the lake of fire. Lets go to Revelation ch20:10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Remind you this is a thousand years after armageddon, but the beast and the false prophet are already there.

Those are excellent posts Kim and Bro. Tan.

I received this reply when I posted a topic about Universalism/Universal Salvation/Ultimate Reconciliation (UR) :





One can see the virulent reaction produced by the Word of God.
The Carm website, incidentally, is not a 'nasty' website ... its Administrator received so many virulent responses like the above concerning the topic of universalism, that they had to shut down that part of the forum's discussion board.

In fact the Carm website is a tremendous repository of scriptural truth and its forum is strictly and fairly moderated.

God bless you for your scriptural stand and for your courage to proclaim it in these Endtimes, where 'every wind of doctrine' is gusting strongly.

That we henceforth we may be no longer naive, tossed and carried about by every wind of false doctrine, in their unprincipled craft with a view to systematized error.
Ephesians 4:14

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...t=0#entry224276

Responses from Universalism/Universal Salvation/Ultimate Reconciliation (UR) proponents on the carm.org website:

• Miscellaneous
• Why I closed the universalism discussion board on CARM

• (in many cases of very virulent posts, there is no doubt that there are
• demonic powers actually posting to the forum - the Word of God either
• softens the receptive heart, or hardens the unreceptive heart just as
• Pharaoh's heart was 'hardened') - the posts you will see bear an eerie resemblance to the accusations also received on this forum
  
• 
  
• Samples of universalist callous posts

• More quotes from universalists
• Even more quotes from universalists

http://www.carm.org/universalism.htm

What I put out is strickly 100%Bible from Gensis to Revelation. These are fact in the scriptures.

Wow...I didn't realize what a heated topic this was already...Voice, where is this discussion taking place(in this forum)? Has Rose left us for good? I noticed that her name is deactivated???

I promise to come back with more comments later when I have more time.

God bless you all...Kim

Elijah cast the captain and fifty into the lake of fire twice.

Now after the lake of fire has done it's duty they are all in outer darkness.








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Hi Bro Tan,
I've addressed these issues you bring up here in a thread I started entitled "Eternal Torment or Eternal Destruction, You Decide!" within this section of the forum.

Here is the direct link to it:

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=21435

I would like to also address an issue you bring up...concerning mercy. I do not dismiss the fact that there will be many people who cross the line by taking the mark of the beast, and these will have no chance of redemption. My main reference to this fact of God's mercy can be found in (1st or 2nd Peter....where Peter mentions that our Lord preached the gospel to those souls already departed during the judgment of the flood...with that in mind; I say it is *possible* for the Lord to have mercy on a soul that has already departed; YET keeping in mind that there will be many souls who cross the line before they leave this life. Hope that helps!

God bless!
Kim

Voice,
I was not aware of these conversations between you and Rose, and still have not looked upon them yet...although it appears they can be found in Bible Prophecy section? I don't get around to all the postings each day, but I will check that out after this. I'm very concerned for Rose. I did not realize that she held to this belief until I read it a couple days back in the "How you became Christian" section...(I *think* in a topic related to hell...could be wrong on that one though!). I did not have enough time that day to address it; then found her reply in this section of the forum which stated similarly her beliefs, so I addressed it here.

Anyway...I think the crux of this matter really boils down to this; *IF* Universalism were true...then what *NEED* would our Lord have to come and be crucified in our stead? There would be absolutely no need for the atonement of Christ if Universalism were true...and this is more than false doctrine; it is false gospel. When I called this a false doctrine, in sincerity; I don't feel that expressed the truth strongly enough. Rose has been my friend here in this forum; and I sincerely do not wish to hurt her feelings....but I must speak the truth regardless of feelings because this is an exceptionally serious issue. A very large portion of gospel doctrine is robbed by Universalism. It gives *every* single person a sense of false security...and a free pass regardless of sin. This doctrine is very dangerous. I cannot express that enough...it is very dangerous.

Rose, if you are reading this by chance...I sincerely pray that you will seriously consider and study the word of God without the bias of Universalism...please. I'm not saying this to harm you...but rather am appealing to you as a beloved soul whom I have grown fond of over my time here in the forum. Rose, this is grievious...please; reconsider what you are believing and clinging to...salvation is a serious matter...we need to make sure we are right.

God bless you all,
Kim

All men and women die physically (except those that will be alive at Christ's advent). It is the spiritual death that is in question.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

As I understand it, Christ came and sacrificed Himself so that we do not have to be spirutally executed (perish).

Rev 20: 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Conclusion: the Lake of Fire is a spirit execution device.

BTW, this device was orinally created to execute Satan and his angels.

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith

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Completely agreed!



Rose,
Please, let's discuss this.......

Of course you'll all be against me because this has been posted by Voice, his pet link that he copies and pastes from nearly every day to suit his doctrines of men:

http://www.carm.org/universalism.htm

See you in heaven!

Even the Lake of Fire is God's Mercy!

When the Bible speaks of "everlasting life" and "everlasting punishment" we are taught from these texts that the punishment of the wicked is to last as long as does the reward of the righteous. But it does not intimate in these verses what the punishment shall be.

Now what does the Bible say punishment is? "The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life to Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom. 6:23). "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven ... in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, ... who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord" (2 Thess. 1:7-9).

What will be the result of this fire? “For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.” “And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts (Mal. 4:1, 3). So we see that this “eternal fire,” into which the wicked are to go, such as fell upon the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, will turn into ashes.

What then do we do with this? "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched". Mark 9:43, 44; also verses 45-48. If we believe that the Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit then the Bible is harmonious and does not contradict itself. I still hold that the wicked are to become ashes, and cease to be according to scripture previously quoted. In the book of Jeremiah the Lord, through His prophets warned of breaking the Sabbath. " But,” said he, “if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the Sabbath day, ... then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched" (Jer. 17:27).

The palaces were burned, and the vessels were destroyed (2 Chron. 36:15-21). Is the fire burning yet?

What did we read in Mal. what the fate of the wicked shall be? “They shall be ashes under the soles of your feet.” This cannot be accomplished if the fire is quenched, so they will be totally consumed. But this result cannot be accomplished if the fire they are to be cast into is quenched. The fact that the fire won't be quenched is the fullest proof that they will be totally consumed. John the Baptist said, "Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire" (Matt. 3:12).

Hence, the lake of fire is "everlasting punishement." The punishment is forever, the sinner, who could not bear the glory of God and heaven itself, will cease to exist. Now that is God's mercy!


Jake W.

With all due respect, Jake,

I believe some of what you say is correct.

Yet, all Scripture is to be examined and interpreted in many ways... one, in the context it is written (whether poetry, parables, literal, symbolic) and also to WHOM the message is addressed in the historical time it was written.

There is quite a bit of symbolsm in the Bible and one must examine one Scripture against another if we are to find the true meaning. I personally believe the symbolism is in many of the verses you mentioned above. Our GOD is a consuming FIRE... do you think that God is FIRE? No, it's symbolic.. He puts us in the fire (judgment) to cleanse us from our impurities... we must really know eschatology and not read the Bible LITERALLY or we will all believe that every snake is Satan. Obviously we must be able to use logic as well, but Scripture interprets Scripture. You need to look at WHOM Jesus was talking to and wonder if it was for the time HE was on Earth or for the future. This is where many disagree, but you are allowed, like all, to have your own belief system and to pray to God for the Truth.

Blessings, Rose

Agreed! The lake of fire is the SECOND death....death eternal!

Hi Rose,
I believe that the bible does contain symbolism, but we also need to be careful not to view every scripture as symbolic because of course this rules out absolutes. Sometimes God gives parables to convey a literal truth as well. There are too many scriptures which are not symbolic in their meaning which do point to a literal truth of hell/lake of fire being eternal destruction leading to death.

God bless you,
Kim

Hi Rose,

Thanks for your kind response....

However, I will say that evidently you are claiming that you are well ahead of me when it comes to eschatology and the scripture itself. I commend you for your advanced knowledge.

.... Of course, as you know, I sound a bit highminded in attitude, a bit of irony is at hand. God is a consuming fire, how do you know He is not? Human reasoning or from scripture itself?

Part 2 (Do those who perish have immortality?)

I believe we all would agree when sharing the doctrine of the fate of unrepentant sinners, this is not for the purpose of frightening us into being good, nor should we revel over their doom. God's love is not "fright." Some may come to the Lord for the purpose of escaping hell, but none will maintain such a fleshly view if they allow the Spirit to work (love, joy, peace...). "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment" (1 John 4:18a). "The fear of the Lord is the is the beginning of wisdom" not the end; because "he who fears has not been made perfect in love" (1 Jn 4:18b; Prov. 9:10).

The destiny of the wicked is actually for our comfort! What comfort can that possibly be? It shows how completely God is going to destroy sin. Do we not "groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body[?]" Rom. 8:23. Sinners will be destroyed only because they love sin and death (Prov. 8:36). They will be destroyed by the glory of the Lord's presence, that same glory will also destroy all sin for all eternity. Now that is a blessed revelation.

It is true that Revelation 14:11 can be a difficult verse to understand. Certainly there are nuances in the passage that none of us completely comprehend. That would be foolishness! "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts" (Isa. 55:9).

Perhaps the difficulty with Rev. 14:11 can be a misconception of the nature of man. The Bible declares, "the soul who sins shall die" (Eze. 18:29). Nowhere in the Bible is the statement made that man is immortal (undying), except in Gen. 3:4, and that statement was made by Satan, the father of lies. The Bible plainly states that God "alone has immortality" (2 Tim. 6:16). The only way that man can obtain it is by receiving the "gift of God" "through Jesus Christ our Lord," and that will be given to the righteous "at the last trumpet ... and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. ... and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass ... Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your sting?" 1 Cor. 15:53-58.

The Bible make no declaration that the wicked will obtain "immortality."

Why? Because "the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs; they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.” Ps. 37:20. The prophet Nahum also says of the wicked: “For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry” (Nahum 1:10) And ... “They shall be as though they had not been" (Obadiah 16).

Some great men of God have taught unceasing torment; but the light on the subject had not, or has not come to them. We are responsible only for the light which has been shown to us. "I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely." Revelation 21:6. As we gain new treasures of (true) knowledge, there are clearer and clearer conceptions of the unfailing love of God.

Blessings in Christ,

Jake W.

Jake,

Again, I am not a teacher nor do I think myself any higher than everyone else. And yes, God has been described as MANY things in the Bible. So yes, Scripture... but in the context it is written. Again, I have to disagree (which we can agree to disagree I hope!) that the verses you mentioned are totally symbolic as is the entire book of Revelation, which I believe a lot of it to have already occurred due to a majority vote that the book was written just before Jerusalem fell. There are really great books about the subject and shed a lot of light on the history of Israel and the rule of the Roman Empire. It really interests me and this is how I got into eschatology.

I do not claim to know everything, I am learning like everyone else.

Oh, and the fear of the Lord is meant to read "the reverence of the Lord"... fear means reverence, not shaking in your boots terror. Look it up in Greek... the majority of the verses show that this is the correct meaning. It is phobo in Greek.

In His Name and Many Blessings to you too!
Rose

Hi Rose,

Thanks for your response again,

Yes, I understand fear means reverence. Although not in italics, the word dreadful is also in the Hebrew meaning of the word. Sad to say, not all understand the "reverence" meaning.

Rose, I'm assuming that you believe the wicked will obtain immortality and will not really perish. If I am wrong, please correct me.

Part 3

"I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. . . . I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more ."Eze. 28: 16-19.

Says the prophet Obadiah, in speaking of those rejecting Christ, "They shall be as though they had not been" (Obadiah 16). And the psalmist adds, "Yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be." Ps. 37:10.

The agent for the second death (Rev. 20:6,14) is fire--"everlasting fire." It was “eternal fire” that destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah (Jude 7), by means of “unquenchable fire” the walls and palaces of Jerusalem were devoured. Jer. 17:27; 2 Chron. 36:18-21. When fire is unquenchable that “eternal fire” that fell upon the cities of the plain turned them to ashes (2 Peter 2:6).

The wicked will be like chaff and stubble. When cast into unquenchable fire, they will be burned up and be ashes (Matt. 3:13; Mal. 4:1,3).

Rev. 14:11 ... “the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever,” ... The following verses will give us some insight.

Mark 3:8--"Jerusalem and Idumea ... a great multitude from Galilee followed Him, ..."

In Isa. 34:9, 10; referring to Idumea, “And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever; from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.”

The prophet continues to the close of the chapter and then in Isa. 35:1,2--“The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the excellency of our God.”

These words are the land of the preceding chapter which say, "the smoke thereof shall go up for ever;" ... There does come a time when the smoke does cease.

The texts in Isa. have a direct bearing on the meaning of Rev. 14:11. The time when the smoke will ascend for ever, is “the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the controversy of Zion” (Isa. 34:8), and also the time when “the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations” (verse 2). there will come a time when the smoke of the torment of the rebellious ones will cease; and the statement that it will ascend for ever and ever, means, as the other verses cited, that it will ascend continuously, as long as there is any wicked in existence.

The statement that “they have no rest day nor night,” implies it won't be a few minutes or hours, but days and nights. They will suffer anguish for a long time, but eventually they will be terminated. ... “for the wages of sin is death;” “sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.” If we insist that the torment of the wicked never stop then the preceeding texts have no meaning. No "rest day nor night[?]" -- "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works" (Matt. 24:27). A punishment that is "everlasting destruction."

In conclusion, regarding Rev. 14:9, 10. "If anyone worships the beast and his image ... he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God... poured out full strength in the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire ... in the presence of the Lamb." [Note: "the wine" is false doctrine or (teaching). Another time for that subject].

What will be the result of drinking this cup? “Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you. And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the Lord of hosts; ye shall certainly drink". ... (Jer. 25: 27-29).

The case settled--“For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen; as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee; thy reward shall return upon thine own head. For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been" (Obadiah 15, 16).

But let it ever be remembered, God is merciful and "desires all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim. 2:4).


Jake W.

Amen, may we all come into the unity of faith.

Jake

Jake,

You do have a lot of things to read here... and of course it would take me a while to dissect what you said or to explain what my beliefs are, but I cannot do this here because of the contentions on the forum and there are those here that have stones in their hands just ready to make sure they get the first shot. So I can't really say what I want to, but I will read what you wrote and if you would like I can expound (maybe later or tomorrow) in a PM to you as I do not care for more fighting on this forum.

Thank you and you have a good heart,
Rose

By the way, there is another thread that discusses this 'eternal' and 'everlasting' that was just finished with this week. I don't remember exactly which one, but you can do a search in the search bar above.

Jake,
I'm very impressed with your understanding concerning the lake of fire. I have a thread I bumped in this section of the forum entitled "Eternal Torment or Eternal Destruction, You Decide!"...our views are very similar concerning this topic.

here is the link..
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=21435

God bless you,
Kim

I'd also like to add concerning the thought of reverence...reverence in my mind connotates a much deeper understanding than mere respect. Reverence is awe mingled with fear and respect...it is a holy, good fear. Not all fear is evil or bad. Our Lord admonished us to fear Him who has the ability to DESTROY both body and soul in hell.

The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord.

And women are admonished to "reverence" their husbands. By doing so, we are doing it unto the Lord.

God bless,
Kim

True. Bravo, Kim!

Rose

That's great Kim, the more it's out there to be read, perhaps the more people will comprehend God's loving character. I like the title!

Jake

TY, Rose...God bless you!
Kim

Thanks Jake! I hope that at the very least, this would cause people to *consider* ALL of the scriptures which pertain to the topic.

God bless you,
Kim

God the Father is a spirit, God the Son is a spirit, all the angels are spirits (good and evil angels). Spirits live forever. If you are cast into the Lake of Fire, you will be in a spirit body and spirits don't die, only flesh and blood. In the Son's kingdom flesh and blood is still walking around on the earth for a thousand years. After the judgment, the Father's kingdom comes down with the city that Jesus went to prepare for the righteous. There will be no more flesh and blood people, they will be all changed into a spiritual body. Either you'll be on the right side of the gulf with Abraham and Lazarus or in the lake of fire with the rich man. Look at the next set of verses carefully and take them for exactly what they say and you will not go wrong.

I Corinthians 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Now you see there are two bodies, one earthy (soul) one heavenly

The Lake of Fire, was created for unholy angles, and man got himself in there.
Very important to keep the commandments.

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. How long is for ever?

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

The 2nd verses in Daniel show both resurrections. Some to shame and everlasting contempt. This is the 2nd resurrection.

Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
What does everlasting mean?

Read the whole chapter in Isaiah 33 and it will date this everlasting burning.
In Mark, here is a unclean spirit (evil angel) asking Jesus not to torment him. Remember angels are spirits and can be also tormented.

Mark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

Hi Bro. Tan,

Thanks for the insightful question! EVERLASTING BURNINGS, the subject at hand (Isaiah 33:14).

Firstly, what does "burning" mean? The word is moqed = fire.

Context of Isaiah 33:14:

What or Who is an everlasting fire (burning)? As we know, God is the SAME, yesterday, today, and FOREVER. "For our God is a consuming fire" (Heb. 12:29). Hence, forever He is a consuming fire (burning).

Again, speaking of Isaiah 33:14. The context first is a "devouring fire", secondly an everlasting burning, or fire, if you will. This is the great thing of the Bible, it actually uses different words to describe the same item. God actually is the Authority and Author of synonyms and proverbial likeness.

"Who among us shall dwell among with everlasting burnings (fire)?" (Verse 14). The next verse (15) tells us who shall dwell amongst God's eternal fire (burnings). "He who walks righteously and speaks uprightly ..."

Who will dwell amongst God's consuming and everlasting burnings? the righteous, the justified in Christ!

Sadly, those who are unrighteous and unjustified ultimately will be "devoured by the "fire", or burnings, if you will.

The saints of God, having been tried in the fire, as gold, and having had all the alloy of sin purged away by it, can dwell amid everlasting burnings which will consume the wicked like chaff. Read Mal. 3: 2, 3; Isa. 33: 14, 15 again. “As thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.” There is no eternity for the wicked. “The transgressors shall be destroyed together; the end [literally, “the future time”] of the wicked shall be cut off.” Ps. 37:38.

Where will the wicked be for all eternity? “For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be; yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.” Ps. 37:10. The sinner will be nowhere. For they shall be devoured.

Yet, God is full of mercy and compassion, He will not cast us off, unless we cast Him off. His cross is the greatest evidence that He loves us. Christ's death is the equivalent of the second death.

blessings in Christ Bro. Tan,
Jake

Great response Jake...I do love those scriptures you brought forward.

I'd like to add that there is also a timing for all these things. Nobody has been cast into the Lake of Fire, YET. The holding area before the Lake of Fire judgment is hell. Hell has torment as well as burning to extinction in the Lake of Fire...who in their right mind wants to "cease to exist"? Death, hell and the grave shall be cast into the Lake of Fire in the future too. Even hell and death shall have it's end too.

God bless you all,
Kim

Gideon said
No,No the eternal punishment of the lake of fire is eternal death, tourment in fire. This is the second death. We see that very clearly after the great white throne Judgment. The account we see in Malachi is merely the result of the revelation of Christ, His return to earth to judge the wicked and reward the saint. So in Malachi the wicked are burned by Christ's epiphany or Glory and their souls are cast into hell, the temporary holding place of tourment for the wicked. This temporary state ends when they are cast into the Lake of fire after their resurrection for the second resurrection of the wicked we see in Revelation 20, after the millenial reign, at the Great White Throne Judgment.. We see later in revelation this spells the end of SATAN and any evil influence on earth, they are all cast into a literal lake of fire, and the smoke of their tourment shall rise forever, and ever.

When they resurrect from the dead with their bodies, their bodies will have eternal properties to them, so that they can endure the eternal punishment of the lak of FIRE. Just as the saint's body shall endure for all eternity, so shall the wicked's. The difference is the wicked shall see tourments of fire, darkness, and worms. The saints shall receive eternal life and blessings for ever and ever. I strongly believe in a literal lake of fire reserved for the wicked. GOd said it was there and I BELIEVE HIM.

This is future in Luke. Why? We have not had the first resurrection yet and Abraham is still in the grave.

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Colossians 1:18-23
18 Christ is the head of the church, which is his body. He is the first of all who will rise from the dead,* so he is first in everything. 19 For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ, 20 and by him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of his blood on the cross. 21 This includes you who were once so far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions, 22 yet now he has brought you back as his friends. He has done this through his death on the cross in his own human body. As a result, he has brought you into the very presence of God, and you are holy and blameless as you stand before him without a single fault. 23 But you must continue to believe this truth and stand in it firmly. Don’t drift away from the assurance you received when you heard the Good News. The Good News has been preached all over the world, and I, Paul, have been appointed by God to proclaim it.

Romans 5:18&19
18 Yes, Adam’s one sin brought condemnation upon everyone, but Christ’s one act of righteousness makes all people right in God’s sight and gives them life. 19 Because one person disobeyed God, many people became sinners. But because one other person obeyed God, many people will be made right in God’s sight.

1Corinthians 15:20-28
20 But the fact is that Christ has been raised from the dead. He has become the first of a great harvest of those who will be raised to life again.
21 So you see, just as death came into the world through a man, Adam, now the resurrection from the dead has begun through another man, Christ. 22 Everyone dies because all of us are related to Adam, the first man. But all who are related to Christ, the other man, will be given new life. 23 But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised first; then when Christ comes back, all his people will be raised.
24 After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having put down all enemies of every kind.* 25 For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet. 26 And the last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For the Scriptures say, “God has given him authority over all things.”* (Of course, when it says “authority over all things,” it does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) 28 Then, when he has conquered all things, the Son will present himself to God, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

Philippians 2:5-11
5 Your attitude should be the same that Christ Jesus had. 6 Though he was God, he did not demand and cling to his rights as God. 7 He made himself nothing;* he took the humble position of a slave and appeared in human form.* 8 And in human form he obediently humbled himself even further by dying a criminal’s death on a cross. 9 Because of this, God raised him up to the heights of heaven and gave him a name that is above every other name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

John 3:17
 God did not send his Son into the world to condemn it, but to save it.

Ephesians 1:9-14
9 God’s secret plan has now been revealed to us; it is a plan centered on Christ, designed long ago according to his good pleasure. 10 And this is his plan: At the right time he will bring everything together under the authority of Christ—everything in heaven and on earth. 11 Furthermore, because of Christ, we have received an inheritance from God,* for he chose us from the beginning, and all things happen just as he decided long ago. 12 God’s purpose was that we who were the first to trust in Christ should praise our glorious God. 13 And now you also have heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago. 14 The Spirit is God’s guarantee that he will give us everything he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people. This is just one more reason for us to praise our glorious God.

Hebrews 2:5-11
5 And furthermore, the future world we are talking about will not be controlled by angels. 6 For somewhere in the Scriptures it says,
“What is man that you should think of him,
and the son of man* that you should care for him?
7  For a little while you made him lower than the angels,
and you crowned him with glory and honor.*
8  You gave him authority over all things.”*
Now when it says “all things,” it means nothing is left out. But we have not yet seen all of this happen. 9 What we do see is Jesus, who “for a little while was made lower than the angels” and now is “crowned with glory and honor” because he suffered death for us. Yes, by God’s grace, Jesus tasted death for everyone in all the world. 10 And it was only right that God—who made everything and for whom everything was made—should bring his many children into glory. Through the suffering of Jesus, God made him a perfect leader, one fit to bring them into their salvation.
11 So now Jesus and the ones he makes holy have the same Father. That is why Jesus is not ashamed to call them his brothers and sisters.*

Hebrews 10;8-18
8 Christ said, “You did not want animal sacrifices or grain offerings or animals burned on the altar or other offerings for sin, nor were you pleased with them” (though they are required by the law of Moses). 9 Then he added, “Look, I have come to do your will.” He cancels the first covenant in order to establish the second. 10 And what God wants is for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time.
11 Under the old covenant, the priest stands before the altar day after day, offering sacrifices that can never take away sins. 12 But our High Priest offered himself to God as one sacrifice for sins, good for all time. Then he sat down at the place of highest honor at God’s right hand. 13 There he waits until his enemies are humbled as a footstool under his feet. 14 For by that one offering he perfected forever all those whom he is making holy.
15 And the Holy Spirit also testifies that this is so. First he says,
16  “This is the new covenant I will make
with my people on that day, says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their hearts
so they will understand them,
and I will write them on their minds
so they will obey them.”
17 Then he adds,
“I will never again remember
their sins and lawless deeds.”*
18 Now when sins have been forgiven, there is no need to offer any more sacrifices.

wow, you just mumbo jumbo a bunch of text together to teach your lies sir..the fire for the wicked shall never be quenched..

mk 9:

45And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

The wicked burn forever in