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The Christian's roots in Israel - shared with the Jews






The "Old Testament" of the Christian bible is the Jewish Tanakh, and the "New Testament" is built on these Jewish scriptures.
Why do some Christians dislike and ignore the Old Testament ?

We are familiar with the Christian holidays.
Why don't we understand the Jewish feasts and holy days that Jesus celebrated ?

Jesus was born, lived and died as a Jew.
Why do some Christians say, "I don't like Jews" ?

God promised the patriarchs of Israel, "He who blesses you, I will bless and he who curses you, I will curse."
Why do so few Christians support Israel and the Jews in informed prayer ?

Jesus is coming back to Jerusalem
How can Christians side with those seeking to destroy Israel and seize Jerusalem?





In these pages we look at what went wrong, the good things we are missing, the way things should be, and how Israel and the Jews are key to world events as they unfold, in these end-times .


This website explores the relationship between Christianity and Judaism (the Jewish faith), including Messianic Judaism. It explains the Jewish roots of Christianity, and the continuity of revelation and worship through Jewish and into Christian scriptures. It looks forward, with the Jews, to the coming of their Messiah and ours. It is possible to span the gulf that opened over the centuries by realizing where we stand. The apostle Paul likened non Jewish Christians to wild olive branches grafted into the cultivated olive tree of Israel. Since this is the basis of our acceptance by the God of Israel, wildolive explores the implications of this relationship.

An understanding of Hebrew and Jewish culture, tradition, faith and worship can add so much to even familiar Bible stories and celebrations.

This was nearly all lost due to replacement theology so we look at all the Jewish Feasts and their relevance and importance for the Christian.

We want to see how much can be recovered, and how we Christians can draw nourishment from our Jewish roots.

The unfolding of God's purposes in World History centres around Israel, Jerusalem and the Jews. The Christian can not afford to ignorantly follow the prevailing world-view of events in the "Middle East" and side with those who oppose God's purposes and the people He chose to bring salvation to the world. We need to understand and act upon "the signs of the times" revealed in Israel, so we look at the politics and media coverage of Israel and the forces ranged against her.

We seek to draw practical conclusions for ways the Christian can be in God's will concerning these matters.

We also want to point the way to the many resources which are available for those who seek to draw from their roots in God's olive tree.



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The History of Messianic Judaism
What are Messianic Jews?

Remember the first church was entirely Jewish and did not have a special label. They were just Jews who believed Yeshua from Nazareth was the Messiah and updated their Jewish worship in the light of Messiah having come.

As the church became more gentile, there were difficulties which turned away more Jews ( see The Wild Olive ) The destruction of Jerusalem and the dispersion led to the development of rabbinic Judaism, which moved away from scriptural faith based around Temple worship and atonement, and opened up the division between the believers in Yeshua and non believers. Rabbinic Judaism was developed by the Pharisees, those with whom Yeshua had his strongest confrontations. (see Church History)

Through church history there have been a small number of Jews who have believed in Yeshua, but regrettably, it appears they mostly had to become gentile Christians and sever their connections with their Jewish heritage.

In the mid nineteenth century in Kishineff the capital of Bessarabia, during a time of intense persecution by Russia, Joseph Rabbinovitch, a Jewish lawyer and teacher discovered Yeshua as Messiah. He went to the Holy Land, convinced that salvation for the Jews would only come through a return. On his arrival he began reading a New Testament, which he had been assured would give a reliable description of historic locations. As he read, he became convince that Jesus was/is the Messiah. He went home convinced of the need to share his newly fulfilled faith in its thoroughly Jewish context. All of this was accomplished between Rabinovitch and the Holy Spirit, and not by preaching from a Christian. The truth was available to a man who was open to receive it. This movement was the first to use the term "Messianic Jew"

The Church's Mission to Jews was founded in Britain in 1809, the Hebrew Christian Alliance was formed in 1866 and the International Hebrew Christian Alliance was formed in 1925, but believers still joined Christian churches. In the nineteen sixties the flower-power dropouts in the USA included many Jews and in a move of the Holy Spirit, many found Jesus as Messiah. They were initially nurtured in Christian churches, but within this group Jews for Jesus was formed. ( see Internet for Jews for Jesus and other messianic groups)

This history was obtained from "Messianic Jews" John Fieldsend, in which he explains the scriptural issues concerning Messianic Judaism interspersed with testimonies from various messianic Jews. It is interesting to note some common thread which run through some of these stories. These people came from orthodox, reformed, secular and even assimilated (baptized into the church) backgrounds.

- dissatisfaction with a nominal Jewish background

– a seeking which included eastern religions (and in some cases drugs)

– reading the Christian scriptures about their "Jesus" and realizing that He is the Jewish Messiah.

It is interesting to note that the "Jews for Jesus" group appear in some of these stories. The name suggests a heavy handed attempt by Christians to convert Jews, but it turns out that Jews for Jesus is actually Messianic Jewish. The opposition from orthodox Judaism is on account of their desire to share their discovery with their bretheren – the same reason that believers have always been opposed in any society.

Issues examined in John Fieldsend's book include New Testament "problems" for Jews, the significance of a "remnant", what is Judaism, the rabinnic system, oral tradition and the Talmud and the place of atonement in Judaism. The "remnant" means more than just the few left over after the destruction. A look through the references suggests that the remnant left to the Jews is their connection to God and their reason for hope. He argues that the few believing Jews through history – up to today’s Messianic Jews are God's remnant; God's link for blessing Israel.

The lesson which seems to come out for the Christian is, that we should not ignorantly seek to convert Jews to our faith but that we should show a Christ like love for them and, when the opportunity arises, be ready to share our testimony with them. We are finding Jewish people are much more open now they are experiencing our love and support and they are separating us from the horrors of history. Jewish people love discussing faith, and the experience can be one of mutual blessing.

It certainly appears that the Messianic Jews in Eretz Israel are seriously discouraged by the government (secular – but under pressure from religious parties holding the balance of power) All Jews have the right of return (to Eretz Israel) under the constitution, but openly messianic Jews find it very difficult, if not impossible. The "ISupportIsrael" website will accept contributions for welfare work in Israel, but does not acknowledge support which comes from Christians or Messianic Jews, and it will not help messianic Jews who are in need – indeed some of their funding goes into their opposition of Messianic Jews. In fact it is the Messianic Jews in Israel that are really standing in the gap, pleading God’s protection on the land – along with praying Christians (many of whom get their prayer information from the Messianic believers in Israel). It is also notable that there are Messianic fellowships where it is possible to preview, on earth, the messianic age of reconciliation between Jew and Arab.

Messianic Jews in Israel today

In addition to the rapidly growing Messianic Jewish "church" there are many more Jews who believe in Yeshua. According to various sources there are between 3000 and 5000 Messianic Jews in 85 congregations in Israel alone, but there are many more believers who do not belong to these fellowships, which some see as Hebrew speaking churches. Many of these believers are working out their messianic faith in small housegroups, feeling that the ideal would be synagogues where Yeshua was recognized without sacrificing any Jewishness. Still more orthodox Jews find they are able to remain in their synagogues, whilst secretly believing in Yeshua. Some believe there are as many secret believers as there are open believers in Messianic fellowships. Clearly the Ruach ha Kodesh is doing amazing things and man is having to run to keep up. (See "israel today" magazine December 2003)



If you would like to get a taste of Messianic Jewish worship music, visit www.galileeexperience.com where they sell CDs. Their website has MP3 clips for you to click on.

All of this still leaves interesting questions about the future of Christians and Messianic Jews.

In heaven, these divisions will not exist, but is it right that they do now?

If we tried to merge, would one side have to accommodate to the other and lose its character and vibrancy?

Is it best to run in parallel and make exchange visits to each other?

Surely, our lord has the matter in hand – we should follow his leading.

John Fieldsend pointed out that Messianic Judaism has flourished in different times and different places, but the work of Satan has snuffed it out by means of wars, including the Crimean war and World Wars I and II. The current movements must be the last End Times movement and must prevail over everything Satan throws at it. Our prayer support is an essential part of this battle!

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GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE
Refuting the "New Israel" Heresy

By David Ben Yakov



Recently I received an e-mail from someone who found some of the words that I've written on the Internet a bit distasteful. One of the things that he's contending is that the Jewish people are no longer God's Chosen People. This gentleman contends that since the Jews rejected their Messiah some two thousand years ago, they are now forsaken by God and that the Church has taken their place as God's chosen people. Through several e-mails I pressed him for information on where he got his theory. When his third e-mail came he announced that he was a member of the Greek Orthodox Church, and that his belief is Church doctrine, as handed down by the Apostles Peter and Andrew. Having always known that the Jewish people are still God's chosen people, I decided to do some research to find where the Bible refutes this gentleman's theory. Below is what I've found.

But before we go into if the Jewish people are rejected or have lost their prominence, lets look at the church. What exactly is the Church, and in what ways do it and the Jewish nation differ. When looking at anything, it's always best to ask the six basic questions; who, what, when, where, why and how? If these things can be answered, you have a true explanation of whatever you are researching. So, without any delay, let's look at those basic questions where the Church is concerned:

Who and What is the Church:

Many will argue that the Church is some ecclesial body. They will say that it is some sort of church government, modeled after some earthly sort of system. The Bible states that it is very different, sort of a theocracy. I think that the best way to describe it is a group of people (two or more) who are gathered together in Jesus' name. That doesn't mean just anyone who gather together in His Name, but those who are truly His, born of His Spirit and by His grace. There are many around the world who claim to be Christian in their belief system, but a mere shallow belief alone is not what makes a Christian. For instance, I know that every time I turn on the know of the lamp, electricity makes the lamp glow, but that doesn't make me an electrician. I know how to do some simple work on my automobile, but that doesn't make me a mechanic. I can know the Bible and even memorize every verse and even claim that Jesus is God's Son and even God, but that doesn't make me a true believer. Even Satan believes that Jesus is the Son of God and that He's God, and that certainly doesn't make him a Christian.

No, a true Christian is one who believes that he or she is a sinner and has no hope without the intervention of God Himself. They know that Jesus was the Sacrifice Lamb that God offered to save mankind, and they accept that Sacrifice wholeheartedly. They've recognized that they can only have a chance if they welcome Jesus to come and live in their heart, and allow Him to change them into His likeness, to do His will and purpose. And to the true Christian, God is the purpose for living every day, and for doing every action. And no, we're not perfect, but are willing to allow God to work in us toward perfection, knowing that when we are in His presence, we will be perfect, like He is.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus said unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:3-6

The true Church is made up of such persons. The word Church doesn't denote any one denomination, sect or group, but the corporate body of those as mentioned above. They aren't Catholics or any mainline Protestants. They aren't Pentecostals or Charismatics or any other man made name. They're just Christians.

The Church doesn't denote a building or meeting place either, although they are called churches. The last building that God's presence resided in was the Temple in Jerusalem, and that hasn't existed for many centuries. Frankly, I find it an insult to think that people would assign God to vessels made of wood, hay or stubble. No, He's more at home in the human heart, in the very essence of our being, and He can't live there unless we've been sanctified by becoming a new creature through a rebirth in the Spirit of Jesus.

When and How was the Church founded:

The Church's founding in many ways resembles a person's life. As mentioned above, there has to be two births for a human to be complete. The first birth is the physical birth where we issue forth from our mothers. The second birth is a Spiritual birth, issued forth from the Holy Spirit of God. Where the first birth is concerned, we have no say in the matter, but we have to seek and ask for the second birth. The Bible also mentions that there are two deaths. The first is the natural death that everyone experiences. The second death is a spiritual death, doled out to those who didn't accept the rebirth while alive here on Earth. Some choose to believe that the "born again," speaks of reincarnation, but that is refuted in the following scripture:

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. Hebrews 9:27

In two births Church came into being. All agree that the physical birth was after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. At that time, it was an entity, made up of those who chose to believe in Jesus as their Messiah. They believed in His miracles, His ministry, His life, His death (for atonement) and His resurrection. But it was not until the day of Pentecost, when the Church received the Holy Spirit as both a comforter and an empowerer did it really move forth as a completed entity. The Church is not an organization, it's an organism, living, breathing, growing and overcoming.

In the first birth of the Church, they were all together, but without knowing a real purpose. They knew that they believed in Jesus, and because of that belief, they were united, but united for what purpose? Then, when they were together and all in one accord, the Holy Spirit came and dwelt on them and in them. They then knew that they had a purpose and they knew how to accomplish that purpose. The Spirit gave them wisdom, power and direction. So, in answer to the question; the Church was founded after the resurrection of Jesus Christ (Yeshua Ha Mashiach) and it was born again on the day of Pentecost.

Where was the Church established?

The Church's official birthplace is Jerusalem of course. That's where Jesus' crucifixion was; it's where His resurrection was and it is where the recorded imparting of the Holy Spirit was recorded as having happened. From there it spread throughout southwest Asia, North Africa and Europe, and from those places it spread to the rest of the world.

Why was the Church formed?

The Church was formed by Jesus Christ to be a people sanctified for His holy purpose. His purpose was that the whole world might be saved; saved, meaning freed from sin and it's bondage, and free, meaning brought into his Holy Kingdom to be His holy people.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:16-17

You see, the saved part is already done. Every person who has ever lived since the inception of the Church has had the chance to be saved. The gift has been there, but every gift has two parties, the giver and the receiver. The purpose of the Church is to spread the Good News of God's salvation through Jesus, and to exemplify what living a holy and sanctified life really is.

The Church's History:

If a serious study is done it is easy to see how the Church parallels the ministry and failures of the Jewish nation prior to and after the Ministry of Jesus. Israel was delivered from the bondage of slavery in Egypt. Those in the Church have been delivered from the bondage of the law of sin and death. Israel prospered in the land when they first arrived and were governed by a group of men called judges, who were in turn governed by God. The early Church had the Apostles, then the early Church fathers who were governed by God, and the Church too prospered and grew in it's first two hundred years.

Israel then demanded that they have a king set over them, and they got Saul, who did evil in the eyes of the Lord. The Church set up an ecclesiastic order to rule over things, often referred to by Jesus as the Nicolatians, whose practices He says He hates. Israel came together under David, and while there is no comparison, the ecclesia brought the Churches together under the Catholic Church. David's son Solomon corrupted Israel and the Catholic Church corrupted Christianity. Israel split into two factions; Israel and Judah, one being less of an evil than the other. The Church split into two factions, Rome and Constantinople. Israel and Judah were constantly under attack and oppression by the Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians and others. The Roman church was always oppressed by the barbarians to the north and the Muslims to the south. The Eastern Church was oppressed and attacked by the Moslems to the east and south. The list could go on and on.

There are similarities in other ways too. Both had remnants of people who were not corrupted by the system. Israel and Judah had God's prophets who God used to attempt reform and bring about righteousness and many were killed. The same with the Christian world. Both had reformers that succeeded, if only for a while. Israel had people like Nehemiah and King Hezekiah. The Christians had people like John Wesley and Martin Luther. Look at the similarities and try to tell me that there's been no battle between good and evil all throughout history.

The Bible always speaks of a remnant of believers who do not corrupt themselves with the ways of the world, or the system that they live in. The trouble is that most people who start out believing cling to the organization that is called the Church instead of becoming the body organism that the true Church is intended to be. It's much easier to sit in a pew and agree with everything that comes out of a leader's mouth then it is to investigate those words and compare them with what God says in His word. That has basically been the history of the majority of the Church. Many were silent during the Inquisition, when Jews and other non-Christians were persecuted and then expunged from Spain and other European nations. Very few spoke out in Russia during their many pogroms to punish God's chosen people, the Jews. But we have to give credit to the remnant of believers who spoke up. We have to give credit to those who hid and cared for Jews during those Inquisitions, those pogroms and in Hitler's Europe before and during World War Two.

We too have to look at the accomplishments of true believers. There were the martyrs of old and those today who give their bodies up the flame and all sorts of trials and forms of death that a cruel and evil world can produce. There are those who have forsaken their comfort to bring the Gospel to every nation around the world. Because of them, millions have come to faith in Jesus and have inherited the Kingdom of Heaven. There are the unsung heroes too, who clothe the naked, feed the hungry and care for the fatherless and widows. The kind and holy gestures of Christians far outweigh the evil that has been done in Jesus' name and without His consent. Too bad that the world chooses to remember the few bad things rather than the many good deeds and works.

So, has the Church replace Israel as the Chosen?

The answer to that is a simple, 'NO!" It's really quite simple if one just sits down, reads their Bible and uses the brains that God has endowed most of us with. It's really a no brainer. Chosen people are people that are picked by a chooser. Let's look at the scripture above again and pull it apart:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:16-17

We saw earlier how Jesus died for the whole world, and that people have to choose whether to believe and accept Jesus' sacrifice and His living in their beings. The whole theme here is choice. We have to choose Him. There is a covenant here, and every covenant has to have two willing partners. God is the giver, and we choose to receive or not to receive. Therefore, we are the choosers, not the Chosen.

Where the Jewish people are concerned, the covenant is different. God spoke to Abraham and told Him to leave His land and to go wherever God sent Him. When Abraham obeyed that command, and others that were placed upon him, God chose him because God saw him to be a righteous man. There are many times in the Tenach (Old Covenant) where God would announce that He would hold back judgment and restore blessings because of His covenant with Abraham. The covenant with Abraham was a covenant with the physical seed of Abraham. God also swore covenants with Isaac and Jacob, further strengthening His resolve to keep His part of the Holy agreement with Abraham's seed.

The Jewish nation went through many times of rebellion and restoration, and each time, God refreshed the covenant that He had with His people Israel. The books of the prophets are overflowing with prophecies of God's restoration of the Jewish people. Take for example the following scripture, which foretells of the rebirth of the Nation of Israel, which happened in 1948:

Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. Isaiah 66:8

And if just one isn't enough to convince you, here's a couple others:

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. Isaiah 11:11

For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it. Jeremiah 30:3

These prophecies have been fulfilled in our own life times. They should be proof enough that God has not forsaken His people.

God, when He made His covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob gave His word that He would keep His promise to keep Israel as His Chosen People. He drew up the contract, swore to it before the three patriarchs, and gave the land as collateral to assure His People and the rest of the world that He was a God of kept promises. True, He has had to take away some of the privileges of His contract because of bad conduct of the other signatory, but the contract has never been voided and all privileges will someday be restored. But God said one more thing to insure that His people Israel would always be His. He swore that He would destroy all of creation before He would forget and forsake Israel:

Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD. Jeremiah 31:35-37

Gleanings from the Brit Hadasha (New Covenant):

To many it may appear that this "Church is Israel" heresy is a modern day belief. It's been brought to modern light by the likes of Herbert W. Armstrong and other racial heretics who would deny the true Israel his prominence in God's eyes. But, a search of the scriptures shows that Satan had been playing his nasty little games even during the forming of the Church. If you read the book that Paul wrote to the Romans you will see that Paul had to correct some of the early believers who tried to promote this heresy. Below you will find Romans Chapter 11. Read it through several times because it holds a lot of truth. I've used the New International Version, because it makes it a little easier to understand.

Romans 11
The Remnant of Israel

1I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah--how he appealed to God against Israel: 3"Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me"? 4And what was God's answer to him? "I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal." 5So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
7What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, 8as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day." 9And David says: "May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them. 10May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever."

Ingrafted Branches

11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring! 13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. 22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated
olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

All Israel Will Be Saved

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I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins." 28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. 32For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Doxology

33Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! 34"Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?" 35"Who has ever given to God, that God should repay him?"
36For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.

Further complications of the Church = Israel Theory:

When Israel came out of bondage and spent time in the wilderness, they were given a list of laws that they had to obey. We know the beginning of that list as the 10 Commandments. But little does anyone know, that there are roughly 613 laws in the Law of Moses. Some of these laws, such as keeping the festivals, and feasts were given to Israel and they were commanded to keep these feasts forever as a remembrance of God's mighty salvation and victory over the Gods of Egypt. The Jewish people to this day keep those feasts and festivals. If the Church is the new Israel, then it is in violation of God's edict. But, Jesus came and freed us from the law, right? So, the Church can't be the new Israel.

There are many scriptures both in the old and new Covenants of how God will physically come to Earth and deliver Israel from it's physical enemies. That hasn't happened yet, and if the Church is the new Israel, it should have happened.

The Prophets say in many places that Israel will be redeemed physically, as a nation. The New Testament says that Christians are already redeemed, individually, joined together to be a living Holy organism. So, if the Church is the New Israel, does that mean that Jesus has to redeem us twice? Seems to me that that's calling the first redemption impotent.

It makes God out to be a liar, and a person who doesn't make good on His promises.

It insults the character of Jesus, "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever," because it implies that God is changeable, depending on His moods.

It is the root of Anti-Semitism, because it devalues the Jewish person. It breeds the "Christ Killer," mood that prevails in every Inquisition, pogrom and holocaust against the Jewish People. Since the death of Jesus, it's been Satan's favorite tool to start persecution of the Jews in the Christian world.

Persecution and the Jewish People:

One of the favorite excuses that gentiles use when persecuting the Jewish people is that they are "Christ Killers." These same people say that the reason why the Jewish people through history have gone through persecution is because of this contention. This contention is as stupid as the people who perpetrate it.

First, the Jewish people have gone through several persecutions, and many of those were before the time of Christ. There was the slavery of Egypt; the wicked plan of extermination by Haman, the constant harassments of foreign nations like Assyria, and the Philistines. The exile of Israel to Assyria and the later later exile of Israel and Judah to Babylon. Then there was the subjugation under the Greeks and later the Romans. All of these things occurred before the birth of Christ Jesus.

One thing that always seems to escape the eyes of bigots and potential persecutors is that after the death and resurrection of Jesus, many true believers in Christ have been persecuted along with the Jews. The Romans loved to kill Christians in the arena. When the ecclesiastic church was formed it persecuted the true believers who wouldn't conform to its worldly and sometimes pagan form of religion. No one mentions all of the millions of the Protestants who were killed by the Roman Catholic church down through the ages.

So we have to agree that although there have been many persecutions of the Jewish people, many true believers in Christ have suffered too. Now let me say something that might at first make me sound like a hypocrite, but after I explain everything you will see something interesting. The main focus of all of these persecutions, has been Christ Jesus. Not that He personally has orchestrated it, but they've been done because of Him.

Without going into a whole other paper about this, let's look at some things. If you're a Spirit filled Christian you'll see it, but if you're not, I ask you to consider these things because it takes Spiritual eyes to see it. The purpose of all of the persecutions of the Jewish people before the birth of Christ, was to try to eliminate the royal and priestly line that would lead up to Jesus' birth. When Satan had failed to accomplish this, He tried to kill Jesus himself, and probably thought he succeeded when Jesus was crucified. But then the resurrection happened and Satan failed again.

So now we live in an age of grace, where Jesus is a victor and all have a chance to flee from Satan's evil camp to the righteous and holy camp of God. Now Satan is really mad. Not only did he goof in not eliminating the royal line, but he himself had something to do with establishing his adversary's kingdom. So, who's he mad at? He hates the Jews and he hates the Christians. And who is he going to persecute? He's going to go after the ones who produced the Messiah, and also the ones who've been born again through Messiah's Spirit.

But Satan especially likes persecuting the Jews; and why is that? Well, we have the reason above and that's understandable. But, Satan can see some parts of the future, especially the parts that God has laid out in the Bible. Yes, Satan does read the Bible. How else is he so able to enable his human disciples to twist God's word so, unless he knows it. Anyway, back to our saga. As we come to the close of human government here on earth, there will be one major focus, as illustrated in the prophetic books. That focus is the restoration and revival of the Jewish nation. Satan knows that Jesus will be coming soon, and he's (Satan is) going out of his way to try to destroy God's plan for Israel's coming salvation. That is the reason why Israel has been persecuted so.

God hasn't been sending judgment on the Jews for Jesus' death? He would be a hypocrite for doing that. Jesus plainly said that:

Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. John 10:17-18

And In Isaiah it was foretold:

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Isaiah 53: 10-12

Jesus clearly explains in the scripture from John, written above, that He claims responsibility for His own death. God had given Him the power to lay down His life and also to raise it again. And notice that it says that God commanded Him to go to the cross. This was foretold in Isaiah (notice the scripture above) in such a beautiful fashion. It pleased God when Jesus was bruised, whipped, tortured and crucified, because those things gave God a provision to save anyone who would believe in what He did. It goes on to say that Jesus saw His seed, (meaning those who would become His, through His sacrifice) and I believe that is what made it easier for Him to endure all he endured. Then it says that God was satisfied by what happened. This means that it satisfied the need for cleansing us from sin. Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, the Lamb of God. He fulfilled God's requirement. The blood of bulls and the other sacrifices that man offered during the time of the Tabernacle and later the Temple weren't enough. Only God could supply the sacrifice that would satisfy God.

So the next time that you think of the Jews being "Christ Killers," or if you hear someone else say it, just remember, Jesus is a part of the Godhead, and allowed the destruction of His human incarnation so that you won't have to be destroyed. And be thankful that a few Jewish leaders a couple of thousand years ago, who, through their ignorance, led the ultimate sacrifice to His slaughter, because if they hadn't done it, no gentile would have had the chance to be born again, and there would be no resurrection.

So what about Jews who currently believe in Jesus:

Yes, you heard right; there are Jews who have accepted Jesus (Yeshua) as their Messiah. But that's not really an alien idea, because the first believers were Jewish. The misnomer is that Jews who have accepted Jesus have converted. The true sense of their action should be labeled more as a "completion." They are completed Jews, just as the apostles were. Only Gentiles can be converted because "converted," means to make something from something else. Jewish Christians are completed because they were already on the road and have now completed the journey. They prefer mostly to be called Messianic Jews. Where the term Christian means "Christ-like," the term Messianic means 'Messiah-like." Messiah and Christ are interchangeable terms that mean the same thing, both meaning, "anointed," or having a special purpose for God; anointed (covered) by God's Spirit. If you read the "olive tree," analogy in the Romans chapter above you will understand all about the grafting and regrafting and such.

In Conclusion:

So, if you've read this article with in search of truth I hope you have found it. The Church is a separate entity, independent of Israel. The Church has not replaced Israel, nor will it ever do that. The Jewish people are still God's chosen people, as backed up by scripture and the fulfillment of prophecy. If you have read this article and are still not satisfied just remember one thing. Someday all will have to give account to Jesus for the things they've done, and yes, that includes you. When you stand before Him, He will be announced as the Lion of The Tribe of Judah, and He's as Jewish as they come. The ball's now in your court.

In His Service

David Ben Yakov



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dennis mann
Deu 24:20 When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

Jdg 9:8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us.

1Ki 6:23 And within the oracle he made two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high.

Psa 52:8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.


Hos 14:6 His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon.

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EXACTLY WHO OR WHAT is the "olive tree"?

Why did God call HIM, HER, THEY, IT .......the "olive tree"?

What does the "olive tree" do?

Tell me all about the "olive tree"..........all aspects.............i want to be the "olive tree" know-it-all.

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Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
voice
QUOTE (dennis mann @ Sep 12 2008, 12:52 AM) *
Deu 24:20 When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

Jdg 9:8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us.

1Ki 6:23 And within the oracle he made two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high.

Psa 52:8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.


Hos 14:6 His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon.

************




EXACTLY WHO OR WHAT is the "olive tree"?

Why did God call HIM, HER, THEY, IT .......the "olive tree"?

What does the "olive tree" do?

Tell me all about the "olive tree"..........all aspects.............i want to be the "olive tree" know-it-all.

smile.gif





Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?


The Lord is preserving his ancient Chosen people, in preparation to meet their true Messiah Jesus Christ.



A Righteous Tree





A lush green garden at the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem commemorates the "Righteous Among the Nations," non-Jews who risked their own lives during the Holocaust to save Jews. The foliage rustles in the soft, shady breeze, and the still movements of the trees' leafy branches echo the quiet acts of kindness and humanity that this garden celebrates.

On a modest incline here stands a large, brown, hollow birch tree-trunk. Holocaust survivor Jakob Silberstein, 83, leans against it, solemn and pensive. A small printed sign beside the tree-trunk explains the tree-trunk's presence in this Garden:

"This tree trunk stood in the backyard of Jana Sudova, a Czech Righteous Among the Nations, who in early 1945 hid four Jewish escapees of the death marches. Jakob Silberstein hid in the hollow trunk while the Germans searched the premises."

In these short words is contained Silberstein's lifetime of anguish, faith, search, and discovery.

"I see my life today as a gift from G‑d," Silberstein says quietly. "Heaven protected me many times from death at the hands of the vicious and murderous SS, may their name be blotted out. I believe in divine shelter. Someone was watching over me and protecting me from above."

Born in Rypin, Poland in 1924, he learned in a traditional cheder (school room)and then apprenticed as a watchmaker in his father's shop. Then the Germans invaded Poland. Together with his parents and four younger siblings, Silberstein was forced to enter the ghetto, where one of his brothers became ill and died. In 1942, when he was 18, he and his family were deported to Auschwitz, where his parents and the remaining three siblings, two brothers and a sister, were murdered in the gas chambers.

Silberstein still has the concentration camp number branded on his left arm, #76715. In Auschwitz, he was put in the so called Maurerschule (bricklayers' school). Later, he worked as a chimney sweeper.

In January 1945, the Germans forced the remaining Jews out of Auschwitz on a death march towards Czechoslovakia and Moravia. Silberstein, then 21, the only surviving member of his family, was one of thousands of prisoners evacuated on foot, and then into freight cars. Together with three friends, he managed to escape from the trains. "The German soldiers were so drunk at that point, that we were able to jump off the moving trains when the guards weren't watching," Silberstein recalls. "But we had no idea how we would survive."

Arriving near Bohumin (now in the Czech Republic), the four desperate young Jews found refuge in the attic of Jana Sudova, in the village of Sunychl. Sudova, 38, lived on a small farm with her three-year-old daughter Anna. Sudova's husband was a prisoner-of-war at the time. Sudova, a devout Catholic, helped the four Jewish refugees with food, drink, and shelter. The attic floor, covered with soft hay, was their bed. "She simply said, 'In the Bible it is written that when someone needs help, you must help them,'" Silberstein recalls softly.

Silberstein communicated with her in Czech, which he had picked up from Czech prisoners in Auschwitz; he explains that the language is similar to his native Polish. He helped Jana out with farm work, and in the course of doing these chores, found the hollow tree which was to become his haven.

"One morning, while feeding the rabbits, I noticed a birch tree with a hollow trunk, when I saw a rabbit running down a hole in the tree trunk," Silberstein recalls. "With an axe, I widened the hole in the hope that I could one day use it as an emergency hiding place. Then I stuffed the opening shut with leaves so the secret hiding place would remain concealed." Whenever Germans came on their frequent visits to search the farm, Silberstein hurried to hide inside the tree, which the Germans never discovered.

After the four friends had spent six weeks at Sudova's farm, word reached the village of Sunychl that the Russian Army was liberating the area. Fearing discovery on the farm by the remaining Nazis still in the Czech countryside, Silberstein's three friends decided to leave the farm. Early one morning, they went stealthily towards the direction of the Russian liberating army, while Silberstein chose to remain in hiding on the farm.

"Unfortunately, despite many efforts all these years to trace my three lost friends, I have never been able to find any information about them whatsoever. To my sorrow, it seems most likely that they were found and killed by Nazis," says Silberstein with a tremor.

Retreating German soldiers took over the Czech village and forced their way into people's homes. Nazis entered Sudova's home as well and made her host them there. Fearing for his life, Silberstein went into hiding within the hollow tree trunk, remaining there for an ordeal which lasted ten hours long. In the hiding place, there was no food or drink and hardly enough air to breathe. Silberstein remembers gaining hope from the sliver of blue sky that he could see from the top opening, through the leaves covering up his hiding place in the hollow tree.

"I was terrified, scrunched up in the tree, fearing discovery, and dreading that the Nazis would execute me in some cruel way once they would find me in the tree—either burning it down or cutting it in half while I would still be inside. When I could glimpse the sky at the top, I felt reassured that Someone was protecting me from above and that I would survive."

The Nazis never found the tree, and he was able to crawl out alive.

Hours later, Silberstein was caught up in the Russian liberation and was able to emerge from hiding, seeking freedom and refuge on his own. The Russian army brought him to Prague, and from there he traveled to a refugee camp in Stuttgart. In those tumultuous days, running towards freedom, he lost touch with the good-hearted Czech woman who had saved his life. Later, he realized that it was impossible for him to contact her in order to express his gratitude, since for her protection, he had never been told her name, nor the name of her town or even its exact geographical location.

After the war, Silberstein slowly regained his health and strength and began to rebuild his life. In Stuttgart, Germany, he became a successful jeweler, at one point employing ten people in a three-story jewelry concern. He married and had two children, who presently live in Israel with their families. Eventually, he moved to Berlin, where he presently resides, and he frequently visits Israel, where he also has a home in Natanya.

But Silberstein still felt a deep need to acknowledge his gratitude to the kindly Czech woman who had risked her life and that of her little daughter to shelter the four refugees from Auschwitz. Through the 1960's, 1970's and 1980's, he made numerous trips into Czechoslovakia, attempting to locate his benefactor, but to no avail.

In 2005, he made contact with a Czech historian, Vasili, as well as with Frantizak Kreicek, editor of the Czech newspaper OKO ("Eye"). With their help, Silberstein was interviewed at length, and OKO published an extensive news story detailing Silberstein's harrowing Holocaust survival. The article was illustrated by a large photograph of Silberstein, together with his sketched memories of the farmhouse, hollow tree, and adjacent barn. The article ended with a plea to the Czech readership that if anyone recognized this story and had any information regarding Silberstein's benefactor, they should immediately contact the OKO editorial staff.

"I returned to Berlin and began to write my memoirs. One day, about two weeks later, the telephone rang. 'This is Kreicek from Bohomon. Mr. Jakob, I have a surprise for you. The daughter of your benefactor is alive. Her name is Anna Gerlova, and she is 63 and lives just 100 kilometers from Bohomon. The mother, Jana Sudova, died in 2003. I checked everything that Anna Gerlova said, and it is exactly fitting your story and your sketches. She even has photographs of the house and the nearby countryside, just the way that you described it. Call her right away. She is waiting for your call!'"

Silberstein and Gerlova spoke a number of times over the telephone, and shortly afterwards, Kreicek arranged a press conference to record their first meeting, which was organized to take place at the Bohomon municipality building. In front of flashing cameras and lights, television and newspaper reporters, Silberstein was re-united with his benefactor's daughter. Then he accompanied her to the cemetery where Jana Sudova is buried and placed a wreath on the stone. "There I read her name for the first time, and whispered in a voice filled with tears, 'I will tell everything to your daughter Anna.'"

Joined by a Czech television team, Vasili, Kreicek, Silberstein, and Gerlova traveled together to where the Sudova farmhouse used to stand. But nothing was left there anymore in the way Silberstein remembered it from 1945. Anna explained that her father had returned home after the war, but that she had remained an only child. She eventually married and had three children. Later, when her mother passed away in 2003, Gerlova sold the house, and the new owner tore everything down in order to put up a new building.

But no—he had not torn down everything. The hollow tree trunk had remained intact. The television cameramen recorded Silberstein's amazing return to the spot of his rescue, some sixty years before. "Anna told me that she knew the story behind that tree, and she never played inside it as a child," Silberstein notes.

In 2006, in recognition of her courage and the fact that she had risked her life to save Jews during the Holocaust, Jana Sudova was posthumously named as one of the Righteous Among the Nations at Yad Vashem, the Holocaust memorial center in Jerusalem. An award ceremony was held in her honor, with her name unveiled on the list of Czech Righteous Gentiles.

Silberstein recently returned to the Czech countryside to recover the tree and had it shipped to Yad Vashem, where it is now part of the permanent display in the garden overlooking the Jerusalem Forest. "I wanted the world to see this tree-trunk, to see with their own eyes the power with which a Jew struggled to survive the Holocaust."

"This is a sacred place for me, a Western Wall," he says, his hand lightly touching the top of the tree trunk. "When I stand here before this hollow tree, and I remember the terrifying hours that I spent inside it, fearing Nazi discovery at any moment, I thank G‑d for having saved my life."





By Esther Bard

Esther Bard, born and educated in New York City, lives with her family in Jerusalem. She has been in Israel for over twenty years, and works as a writer and translator.

Romans 11.1.2 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.




Rabbi Yohanan ben Zakkai and Rabbi Nathan remind us: If you are planting a tree and they come to you saying: "Come and greet the Messiah," first plant the tree and then go meet him. Redemption is in the act of planting. (Avot de-Rabbi Natan)




So, let us go out to Him outside the camp, bearing His reproach.
Hebrews 3:13

For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake.
Philippians 1:29

For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Romans 8:18

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death.
Philippians 3:10


Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Hebrews 12:4


Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1 Peter 2:24
Miki
Voice thanks for this...I don't have time to read now but will in the days ahead. I was thinking about the olive tree the other day and was googling pictures. It's fascinating.

This is one l saved, taken by a tourist in Cyprus.

wernotalone
Voice, I pray for discernment in this and maybe you can hopefully lead me to some Bible verses about the Remnant.

I can't recall right now, but I was reading the Bible some time ago about the Remnant and it reminded me of the suffering that took place of the Jews in the concentration camp during WW2...and I can't remember where I saw it?

It lead me in the Spirit to believe that NOW is the Gathering of the Jews and has been since WW2...and that the remnant is already the remnant NOW...not something that will happen after the wrath of God...Could you help me with this...The LORD keeps telling me that the remnant is NOW.(and the dry bones comes to mind)of them coming to life in CHRIST)..all of us that follow Christ Jesus...and I'm thinking that we are a part of witnessing of Christ....JEWS and Gentiles of the two witnesses, but I know I see in part and that there is perhaps two men that shall also come as the two witnesses....but WE, both Jew and Gentle (Gentiles grafted in) shall be like the two candlesticks for the witness of Christ, just like the virgins with their lamps lit.

thank you in advance, maybe you could start a new topic on this.
voice
QUOTE (wernotalone @ Sep 14 2008, 01:49 AM) *
Voice, I pray for discernment in this and maybe you can hopefully lead me to some Bible verses about the Remnant.

I can't recall right now, but I was reading the Bible some time ago about the Remnant and it reminded me of the suffering that took place of the Jews in the concentration camp during WW2...and I can't remember where I saw it?

It lead me in the Spirit to believe that NOW is the Gathering of the Jews and has been since WW2...and that the remnant is already the remnant NOW...not something that will happen after the wrath of God...Could you help me with this...The LORD keeps telling me that the remnant is NOW.(and the dry bones comes to mind)of them coming to life in CHRIST)..all of us that follow Christ Jesus...and I'm thinking that we are a part of witnessing of Christ....JEWS and Gentiles of the two witnesses, but I know I see in part and that there is perhaps two men that shall also come as the two witnesses....but WE, both Jew and Gentle (Gentiles grafted in) shall be like the two candlesticks for the witness of Christ, just like the virgins with their lamps lit.

thank you in advance, maybe you could start a new topic on this.


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Maranatha
voice
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