The scriptures promise that there will be a pocket of Christians that physically survive to the second coming of Christ.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Just as God provide instructions to Noah, He has provided instructions to us.
Matthew 24 : 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
THE INSTRUCTIONS
The place where God states there will be survivors: Mount Zion in Jerusalem.
Joel 2: 32 And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the survivors whom the LORD calls.
And who are those survivors that will be “standing” with the Son of Man? The 144,000.
Revelation 14: 1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
When is the time to be there? In the middle of the Tribulation week.
Matthew 24: 15-20
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
QUOTE (guysmith @ Aug 16 2008, 06:10 AM) 
The scriptures promise that there will be a pocket of Christians that physically survive to the second coming of Christ.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Just as God provide instructions to Noah, He has provided instructions to us.
Matthew 24 : 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
THE INSTRUCTIONS
The place where God states there will be survivors: Mount Zion in Jerusalem.
Joel 2: 32 And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the survivors whom the LORD calls.
And who are those survivors that will be “standing” with the Son of Man? The 144,000.
Revelation 14: 1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
When is the time to be there? In the middle of the Tribulation week.
Matthew 24: 15-20
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Just as God provide instructions to Noah, He has provided instructions to us.
Matthew 24 : 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
THE INSTRUCTIONS
The place where God states there will be survivors: Mount Zion in Jerusalem.
Joel 2: 32 And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the survivors whom the LORD calls.
And who are those survivors that will be “standing” with the Son of Man? The 144,000.
Revelation 14: 1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
When is the time to be there? In the middle of the Tribulation week.
Matthew 24: 15-20
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
how can this be?
the Lord comes after the tribulation
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Jesus can't come until after the 7th trump
1Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
so the 144,000 cannot be raised until then.
because Paul said
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
they the 144,000 cannot be made perfect without US!!!
since we have not been madeperfect where are the 144,000 now and in the middle of the GT.
dead.
The opposing views of post-tribulationalism presented above reveal the difficulties with this approach to the interpretation of the prophetic visions. The views presented are not only contradictory in part, but are both incorrec because of the faulty pre-conceptions of post tribulational theory.
Ozell,
You stated: how can this be?
the Lord comes after the tribulation
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Jesus can't come until after the 7th trump
The scriptures clarify that there will be Christians alive at Christ's advent. I am just stating that the 144,000 are those Christians.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
You stated: how can this be?
the Lord comes after the tribulation
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Jesus can't come until after the 7th trump
The scriptures clarify that there will be Christians alive at Christ's advent. I am just stating that the 144,000 are those Christians.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
Stephen,
You stated: The opposing views of post-tribulationalism presented above reveal the difficulties with this approach to the interpretation of the prophetic visions. The views presented are not only contradictory in part, but are both incorrec because of the faulty pre-conceptions of post tribulational theory.
My response: Are you stating that there is no first resurrection at the end of the Tribulation period?
You stated: The opposing views of post-tribulationalism presented above reveal the difficulties with this approach to the interpretation of the prophetic visions. The views presented are not only contradictory in part, but are both incorrec because of the faulty pre-conceptions of post tribulational theory.
My response: Are you stating that there is no first resurrection at the end of the Tribulation period?
QUOTE (guysmith @ Aug 16 2008, 06:45 PM)
Ozell,
You stated: how can this be?
the Lord comes after the tribulation
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Jesus can't come until after the 7th trump
The scriptures clarify that there will be Christians alive at Christ's advent. I am just stating that the 144,000 are those Christians.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
You stated: how can this be?
the Lord comes after the tribulation
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Jesus can't come until after the 7th trump
The scriptures clarify that there will be Christians alive at Christ's advent. I am just stating that the 144,000 are those Christians.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
do you also include that there is a number
Rv 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Do you all not realize that the book of Revelation of St. John is a book of SYMBOLS and this is not a book to be read LITERALLY? I am amazed sometimes at the number of Christians who believe every single word of the Bible as LITERAL when JESUS even said in the Gospels that HE spoke in PARABLES, RIDDLES so that only the ones that had eyes to see and ears to hear would understand. Revelation is a book to be read with REVELATION! 
Ask the Holy Spirit to help you.. He will reveal it to you like he did to St. John. (And believe me, I don't know everything! I am not filled with pride here, just ask the Lord to guide you to the real meanings behind the words, or get a good commentary on the book of Revelation.
Ask the Holy Spirit to help you.. He will reveal it to you like he did to St. John. (And believe me, I don't know everything! I am not filled with pride here, just ask the Lord to guide you to the real meanings behind the words, or get a good commentary on the book of Revelation.
QUOTE (guysmith @ Aug 16 2008, 07:10 AM)
The scriptures promise that there will be a pocket of Christians that physically survive to the second coming of Christ.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Just as God provide instructions to Noah, He has provided instructions to us.
Matthew 24 : 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
THE INSTRUCTIONS
The place where God states there will be survivors: Mount Zion in Jerusalem.
Joel 2: 32 And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the survivors whom the LORD calls.
And who are those survivors that will be “standing” with the Son of Man? The 144,000.
Revelation 14: 1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
When is the time to be there? In the middle of the Tribulation week.
Matthew 24: 15-20
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Just as God provide instructions to Noah, He has provided instructions to us.
Matthew 24 : 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
THE INSTRUCTIONS
The place where God states there will be survivors: Mount Zion in Jerusalem.
Joel 2: 32 And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the survivors whom the LORD calls.
And who are those survivors that will be “standing” with the Son of Man? The 144,000.
Revelation 14: 1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
When is the time to be there? In the middle of the Tribulation week.
Matthew 24: 15-20
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
You are close Guy Smith.
there is only half a week of tribulation. The first half of the week was Christs Ministry and the second half is Christ's two witnesses ministry.
Revelation 11
3 - I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
10 -----because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Daniel 12
1---- and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
If you look at the book of Revelation as a whole, what do you see? I see the future tribulation as a time of wrath and judgement. A day of Gods vengeance (Isaiah 35:4, 61:2, 2 Thes 1:8); a day of God's judgement (romans 2:5, Jude 15, Rev 14:7); and a day of Gods wrath (rev 6:16-17, 11:18, 14:19, 16:19).
But we are told we can escape the wrath to come!!!!!
"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Luke 21:36
The bible is full of scripture of the righteous escaping danger, judgement, and wrath! (Isaiah 13:9, Nahum 1:2, Romans 1:18, Math 3:7, John 3:36, Eph 5:6, Heb 11:7, Gen 18:25... I mean the list goes on.
A remnant escapes the destruction of jerusalem in Luke 21:21...those in Jordan will escape during the tribulation (Daniel 11:41) and of course the Jewish remnant during tribulation(Rev 7:3)
One of my favorite Scriptures is Ezekiel 14:13-14 13-"Son of man, if a country sins against Me by committing unfaithfulness, and I stretch out My hand against it, destroy it's supply of bread, send famine against it, and cut off from it both man and beast, 14-even though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job were in its midst, by their own righteousness they could only deliver themselves," declares the Lord God. (In Hebrew the word deliver is Natsal; to snatch away (for good or bad), to be snatched out of; to be drawn out, to be delivered, to be saved; to free, to free oneself; to rob, to plunder; to deliver, to save; to tear apart, to pull away; to withdraw, to escape)
Wow that sounds familiar. But I know, I know. Some of you are just so bent out of shape because some of us believe in the Rapture of the Church (Jesus' Bride) Do us all a favor and invest in a concordance a do a little word studying now and then. You are supposed to be hungry and thirsty for the Word of God! The bible even speaks of it's mysteries. There are things in there that I'm sure the Lord does want to reveal to you.
Anyway, as I've stated in prevous posts, there is a principle of the righteous escaping judgement and wrath. The wrath is for the sinners, the ungodly and unrighteous. (Rom 2:5-9, Nahum 1:2, Rom 1:18, John 3:36 and so on)
The NT promises deliverance from wrath (Luke 21:36, 1 Thes 1:10, 5:9-10, Rom 5:9)
***The book of Revelation covers 7 yrs of the wrath of the Lamb and of God. The first is the wrath of the Lamb {against those who have killed the righteous} -42 mos. (Rev 6:16); then the wrath of God-42 mos (Rev 14:10)
-The first part of Rev deals with what was, is, and is to come (Rev 1:4)
What was (Christ's resurrection)
what is (the church)
to come (judgements)
-Ch 2 and 3 adresses the seven churches in Asia (in Turkey) which also reveals the seven blessings to the overcomers.
-Then all of a sudden it shifts from the church to things in heaven between Ch 3 and 4 (Rev 4:1)
Elders, Mystery of the 7 sealed book (through Ch 5)
*****The church isn't mentioned again. We are the body of Christ on earth (1 Cor 12:27) and we will be the bride of Christ in heaven (Rev 21:2)!!!!! Which is another reason why I believe in a pre-triblation rapture. Not to mention, God seals what is His. The church is sealed w/ the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13-14) And a Jewish remnant is sealed w/ the seal of God (Rev 7:1-4)
I'm not sure, but because of the significance of the number 7 and rest, I believe the church will be resting for the 7 years of tribulation, as promised in Heb 4:9-10. But who knows. I guess I'll find out when I get there. Although I might need a little training for the battle! Rev 17:14 "These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful." (called-Kletos; to call. Called, invited, welcomed, appointed. See eklektos, elect, chose, elected)
May the Spirit of God open our eyes to revelation and wisdom more and more everyday as we seek Him and his soon coming arrival!!! Keep your garments white and oil in your lamps and look up because our redemption is near!
But we are told we can escape the wrath to come!!!!!"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Luke 21:36
The bible is full of scripture of the righteous escaping danger, judgement, and wrath! (Isaiah 13:9, Nahum 1:2, Romans 1:18, Math 3:7, John 3:36, Eph 5:6, Heb 11:7, Gen 18:25... I mean the list goes on.
A remnant escapes the destruction of jerusalem in Luke 21:21...those in Jordan will escape during the tribulation (Daniel 11:41) and of course the Jewish remnant during tribulation(Rev 7:3)
One of my favorite Scriptures is Ezekiel 14:13-14 13-"Son of man, if a country sins against Me by committing unfaithfulness, and I stretch out My hand against it, destroy it's supply of bread, send famine against it, and cut off from it both man and beast, 14-even though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job were in its midst, by their own righteousness they could only deliver themselves," declares the Lord God. (In Hebrew the word deliver is Natsal; to snatch away (for good or bad), to be snatched out of; to be drawn out, to be delivered, to be saved; to free, to free oneself; to rob, to plunder; to deliver, to save; to tear apart, to pull away; to withdraw, to escape) Wow that sounds familiar. But I know, I know. Some of you are just so bent out of shape because some of us believe in the Rapture of the Church (Jesus' Bride) Do us all a favor and invest in a concordance a do a little word studying now and then. You are supposed to be hungry and thirsty for the Word of God! The bible even speaks of it's mysteries. There are things in there that I'm sure the Lord does want to reveal to you. Anyway, as I've stated in prevous posts, there is a principle of the righteous escaping judgement and wrath. The wrath is for the sinners, the ungodly and unrighteous. (Rom 2:5-9, Nahum 1:2, Rom 1:18, John 3:36 and so on)
The NT promises deliverance from wrath (Luke 21:36, 1 Thes 1:10, 5:9-10, Rom 5:9)
***The book of Revelation covers 7 yrs of the wrath of the Lamb and of God. The first is the wrath of the Lamb {against those who have killed the righteous} -42 mos. (Rev 6:16); then the wrath of God-42 mos (Rev 14:10)
-The first part of Rev deals with what was, is, and is to come (Rev 1:4)
What was (Christ's resurrection)
what is (the church)
to come (judgements)
-Ch 2 and 3 adresses the seven churches in Asia (in Turkey) which also reveals the seven blessings to the overcomers.
-Then all of a sudden it shifts from the church to things in heaven between Ch 3 and 4 (Rev 4:1)
Elders, Mystery of the 7 sealed book (through Ch 5)
*****The church isn't mentioned again. We are the body of Christ on earth (1 Cor 12:27) and we will be the bride of Christ in heaven (Rev 21:2)!!!!! Which is another reason why I believe in a pre-triblation rapture. Not to mention, God seals what is His. The church is sealed w/ the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13-14) And a Jewish remnant is sealed w/ the seal of God (Rev 7:1-4)
I'm not sure, but because of the significance of the number 7 and rest, I believe the church will be resting for the 7 years of tribulation, as promised in Heb 4:9-10. But who knows. I guess I'll find out when I get there. Although I might need a little training for the battle!
Rev 17:14 "These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful." (called-Kletos; to call. Called, invited, welcomed, appointed. See eklektos, elect, chose, elected)May the Spirit of God open our eyes to revelation and wisdom more and more everyday as we seek Him and his soon coming arrival!!! Keep your garments white and oil in your lamps and look up because our redemption is near!
IrishRose
You stated: ....JESUS even said in the Gospels that HE spoke in PARABLES, RIDDLES so that only the ones that had eyes to see and ears to hear would understand.
My response: You are correct in making that statement. In one statement, what do you think is the purpose of Bible Prophecy.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
You stated: ....JESUS even said in the Gospels that HE spoke in PARABLES, RIDDLES so that only the ones that had eyes to see and ears to hear would understand.
My response: You are correct in making that statement. In one statement, what do you think is the purpose of Bible Prophecy.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
Dude,
You stated: The first half of the week was Christs Ministry and the second half is Christ's two witnesses ministry.
My response: The A/C entering the temple is the event that marks the beginning of the midpoint of the tribulation (I assume you agree). If this is the case, then how do you explain the following verses....
Matthew 24: 3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
....which are to be fulfilled before the middle of the tribulation weeK?
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
You stated: The first half of the week was Christs Ministry and the second half is Christ's two witnesses ministry.
My response: The A/C entering the temple is the event that marks the beginning of the midpoint of the tribulation (I assume you agree). If this is the case, then how do you explain the following verses....
Matthew 24: 3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
....which are to be fulfilled before the middle of the tribulation weeK?
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
girl4God2005,
I am one that does not see the pre-trib rapture. I have found the debate to be futile, so I do not engage in it. I do however, like to discuss other prophecy issues such as this thread. Whether there is a pre-trib rapture or not, the events I described are slated to happen, are they not?
BTW, welcome to the board.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Snith
I am one that does not see the pre-trib rapture. I have found the debate to be futile, so I do not engage in it. I do however, like to discuss other prophecy issues such as this thread. Whether there is a pre-trib rapture or not, the events I described are slated to happen, are they not?
BTW, welcome to the board.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Snith
Luke
12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
Matthew
24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
Matthew
24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
QUOTE (ozell @ Aug 16 2008, 06:49 PM)
QUOTE (guysmith @ Aug 16 2008, 06:45 PM)
Ozell,
You stated: how can this be?
the Lord comes after the tribulation
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Jesus can't come until after the 7th trump
The scriptures clarify that there will be Christians alive at Christ's advent. I am just stating that the 144,000 are those Christians.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
You stated: how can this be?
the Lord comes after the tribulation
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Jesus can't come until after the 7th trump
The scriptures clarify that there will be Christians alive at Christ's advent. I am just stating that the 144,000 are those Christians.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
do you also include that there is a number
Rv 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Thats absolutly correct, and that brings in mind the feast of pentecost, which is the year the lord return and the First resurrection. Acts ch2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
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