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I am not talking about sentient aliens (although they apply as well, suppose we could discuss both). If we discovered evidence of or acutal life on a planet other than earth would it impact your faith?

It brings about some points:

1. If we are the focal point, meaning we are all that matters in the universe at least from Gods point of view, what was the point to creating the Billion plus other solar systems that exist? Why not just create earth people animals end of story?
2. If extra terrestrial life is found be it sentient (intelligent) or otherwise why wasnt it mentioned in the bible? (or is there some vague scripture that could refer to alien life).
Or even limiting this to earth, why did Native Americans have no knowledge of Jesus or the christian God if it is in fact the correct belief system?
Earendel
QUOTE (TSD @ Aug 16 2008, 12:22 AM) *
I am not talking about sentient aliens (although they apply as well, suppose we could discuss both). If we discovered evidence of or acutal life on a planet other than earth would it impact your faith?

It brings about some points:

1. If we are the focal point, meaning we are all that matters in the universe at least from Gods point of view, what was the point to creating the Billion plus other solar systems that exist? Why not just create earth people animals end of story?
2. If extra terrestrial life is found be it sentient (intelligent) or otherwise why wasnt it mentioned in the bible? (or is there some vague scripture that could refer to alien life).
Or even limiting this to earth, why did Native Americans have no knowledge of Jesus or the christian God if it is in fact the correct belief system?


They are called ETs or EBEs now, but they have always in the past been called angels, and yes they are biblical...they are the first sentient beings God created...they are not like us, and they are much higher in creation then we are... but we will be changed into a light being like Jesus is, when the rapture/harpazo occurs, which will be soon. I look forward to the day when angels and men stand before the throne of God together, and worship Him in beauty and in holiness and in much love.

They are not like we are, they are interdimensional, and can take human form some of them. Most of them are good, but some rebelled against God who are called fallen angels. They will be judged, like we will be, when God calls the judgement to begin in that great and terrible day, when the books are opened. I believe your present day ETs/Fallen Angels are a deception to draw people away from faith in God, and are demonic in origin...at least some of them. No, disclosure will NOT overthrow my faith, you see I have the Spirit of God who lives within me and teaches me all things. I will fight them in that day (fallen angelics), as well as many of us will, when we appear with the Lord in great glory . I guess you would call that an alien invasion. wink.gif ...we call it Armageddon!
meli
QUOTE (TSD @ Aug 16 2008, 05:22 AM) *
I am not talking about sentient aliens (although they apply as well, suppose we could discuss both). If we discovered evidence of or acutal life on a planet other than earth would it impact your faith?

It brings about some points:

1. If we are the focal point, meaning we are all that matters in the universe at least from Gods point of view, what was the point to creating the Billion plus other solar systems that exist? Why not just create earth people animals end of story?
2. If extra terrestrial life is found be it sentient (intelligent) or otherwise why wasnt it mentioned in the bible? (or is there some vague scripture that could refer to alien life).
Or even limiting this to earth, why did Native Americans have no knowledge of Jesus or the christian God if it is in fact the correct belief system?

To answer your first question, no it would not kill my faith at all. WHY would I limit God into being who and doing what I think He should do. I don't consider myself the center of the universe nor do I consider mankind the center. Nor do I consider Earth the center. I consider the Kingdom the center and i don't mean the literal center. God created creatures other then us, some covered in eyes for example, some with wings and who knows what else we don't know of? But why would we need to know everything especially things that don't pertain to us? And why ever would I lose faith if God created a creature that I am unfamiliar with blink.gif
I don't know why people sell the Native American's short. Have a look at their histories and their stories, not all of them, but some of them.

P.S. I have gone off to finish painting the bedroom walls and this question remains in my mind. To me it is akin to setting my own conditions on my faith. I am yours Lord as long as you have created no other beings on any other planets in any galaxy in the universe. I am yours as long as we from Earth are your favourite. If these things be not true, the deal is off. That wouldn't make sense would it?
raysondawn
QUOTE (TSD @ Aug 15 2008, 11:22 PM) *
I am not talking about sentient aliens (although they apply as well, suppose we could discuss both). If we discovered evidence of or acutal life on a planet other than earth would it impact your faith?

It brings about some points:

1. If we are the focal point, meaning we are all that matters in the universe at least from Gods point of view, what was the point to creating the Billion plus other solar systems that exist? Why not just create earth people animals end of story?
2. If extra terrestrial life is found be it sentient (intelligent) or otherwise why wasnt it mentioned in the bible? (or is there some vague scripture that could refer to alien life).
Or even limiting this to earth, why did Native Americans have no knowledge of Jesus or the christian God if it is in fact the correct belief system?


No it would not move it an inch.
How do we know that "aliens" or "extra-terrestial" life are not just demons? We don't know, just like we don't know whether big foot exists or not because the DNA from the last one they say was an opossum. Of course, they have the body at "an undisclosed location". Just like the flying saucers only land in Iowa or Kansas and never in downtown Detroit or at MIT. I have myself seen a cigar shaped aircraft of some sort moving away at about 4000- 5ooo ft.high and a quarter mile from my car at a speed that would place it at more than 1000 mph. It was there and it was gone when I glanced back. If it wanted me to know what it was it would have slowed down so I could get a better look.

1. God likes variety and alot of it!
2. Why is it mandatory for every one to have knowledge of Jesus? His own people did not know who he was. This is kind of like the doctrine that "everybody has to have heard the gospel before Jesus can return." Well, all we have to do is just keep having babies and we can put it off forever!
meli
QUOTE (raysondawn @ Aug 16 2008, 11:06 AM) *
Well, all we have to do is just keep having babies and we can put it off forever!

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dennis mann
"I am not talking about sentient aliens (although they apply as well, suppose we could discuss both). If we discovered evidence of or acutal life on a planet other than earth would it impact your faith?"


DENNIS'S RESPONSE:
no
we can prove the bible is true.
the Bible predicts the future .........no other god, scripture, person, etc can do that, like the bible can
the bible predicted that the elect nation Israel would die TWICE and be resurrected from the dead TWICE.........and it's already happened, exactly as foretold by the bible.
the bible indicates that there are no ETs martians, etc anywhere ........never has been
God's focus is on earth
the earth is the center of the universe............wiki HUBBLE'S LAW..........all stars are accelerating away from earth (wiki RED SHIFT)



It brings about some points:

1. If we are the focal point, meaning we are all that matters in the universe at least from Gods point of view, what was the point to creating the Billion plus other solar systems that exist? Why not just create earth people animals end of story?





today, we are in the ENDTIMES............we recently learned about THE HUBBLE RED SHIFT, DNA, the electron microscope
we have astounding pictures and info about the mind-boggling universe
both telescopic and microscopic
if Darwin had had an electron microscope, and knew what we know now,,,,he would NEVER have proposed evolution

the simplest living cell is far too complicated to fall together by accident

we learn something about our astounding Creator, by looking at His astounding Creation

and He gave man DOMINION over the universe (read Genesis 1-5)





2. If extra terrestrial life is found be it sentient (intelligent) or otherwise why wasnt it mentioned in the bible? (or is there some vague scripture that could refer to alien life).

there is no ET or Martian,,,,,,,,,,,the bible tells me so,,,,,,,,,,,,,in the bible, pharoah's magicians (occultists) turned dead sticks into living snakes............satan has super-natural powers.............
if you see an ET, UFO, "missing link", BIGFOOT, etc........it is REALLY a creation/deception from satan...........satan would love to convince you that the bible is not true.



"Or even limiting this to earth, why did Native Americans have no knowledge of Jesus or the christian God if it is in fact the correct belief system? "



many years ago, the NATIVE AMERICANS forefathers stopped passing on the True Religion to their children.

the same could be said for the Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, mormons, RCC, Calvinists, Voodoo, OSAS, muslims, etc.........

this is NOT God's fault.............this is OUR fault..............we stopped teaching our children about the God of Adam, Noah, Abraham, etc

Shame on us..............let us believe the Gospel, repent, and be saved from our sins!
Lil_Lamb
QUOTE (TSD @ Aug 15 2008, 11:22 PM) *
I am not talking about sentient aliens (although they apply as well, suppose we could discuss both). If we discovered evidence of or acutal life on a planet other than earth would it impact your faith?

It brings about some points:

1. If we are the focal point, meaning we are all that matters in the universe at least from Gods point of view, what was the point to creating the Billion plus other solar systems that exist? Why not just create earth people animals end of story?
2. If extra terrestrial life is found be it sentient (intelligent) or otherwise why wasnt it mentioned in the bible? (or is there some vague scripture that could refer to alien life).
Or even limiting this to earth, why did Native Americans have no knowledge of Jesus or the christian God if it is in fact the correct belief system?



In Response smile.gif

My dear friends and brothers and sisters in Christ,

God is the creator of all things, both in heaven above, and the earth beneath, and ALL that in them is. He is the creator of ALL things, both present and past. And he loves to create, both the small and the great.
I believe that God has created other's. I believe it was God's will not to blatantly tell the world, lest the world should worship other beings anymore then they already do.
Christ points to his other creation in Matthew 18:12-14 "What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the moutains to seek the one that is straying?" 13) "And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray." 14) "Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish."
Christ came to save that which was lost. There was and is no reason for Him to include them which, whom he created, has not sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. (God is not like man. He does not throw his other perfect children in our faces. Christ didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it. John 3:17)

Though do not let me a stumbling block. Let me make something VERY CLEAR...
Other creations of God's on other planets, those perfect creations would by NO means manifest themselves here, show themselves here, fly down to us in a flying saucer, or any other such thing. Ours is a sinful world, and a cut off galaxy. God has not allowed us to travel outside of it. Thats because our entire galaxy is condemned. Satan has corrupted it, and made it a maelstrom of chaos and uncertainty.
Any beings that are "sighted", "seen", and/or had "contact" with us are not beings of other worlds, but evil angels in disguise. There is a spiritual war going on, and Christ himself said in Matthew 24:22 "And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened." Thats because if God did not come soon, we would be so deceived and turned so far from God, that there wouldn't be anyone left to save! Do NOT be deceived by these false sightings. These are signs and wonders to deceive but you must NOT believe in them. They are the work of devils!


And again, we are the focal point because we are the ones who have gone astray. "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23. We are the lost sheep who have sinned. And Christ/God went looking for us, His lost sheep, to bring us back home. You should read Isaiah 53, all of it. We were the priority at the cross. Hard to imagine I know, but we were. The universe looked on in shock and awe as the God of the universe laid down his son to die for man's sin. We are the focus of the universe because we are where the spiritual battle was fought and won! We are at the heart of it all. And we will be the focus again, when God comes and delivers His children from this maelstrom of chaos and sin. Praise God!

oh friend,
Do you not remember how Christ came to give the gospel to the Jews to BRING it to the WHOLE world? The world had not received the gospel truth YET. The jews had the teachings and writings of the prophets, and the prophecy of Jesus birth, life, death, and resurrection. But when He came, they rejected Him! So authority was given to the apostles to preach it to ALL the world. Mark 16:15 " And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature." Matthew 24:14 " And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." Authority was given to preach it to the world. And it is, to THIS VERY DAY, still being preached to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people. The Native Americans have received the gospel, as well as you and me. And it is still being given the Native Americans, as well as others. And the effort is still being made to reach to those who have no access to the gospel, and the truth. So that they may judge for themselves who or what, in their hearts, they will follow.
THE SEVEN THUNDERS
QUOTE (TSD @ Aug 16 2008, 12:22 AM) *
I am not talking about sentient aliens (although they apply as well, suppose we could discuss both). If we discovered evidence of or acutal life on a planet other than earth would it impact your faith?

It brings about some points:

1. If we are the focal point, meaning we are all that matters in the universe at least from Gods point of view, what was the point to creating the Billion plus other solar systems that exist? Why not just create earth people animals end of story?
2. If extra terrestrial life is found be it sentient (intelligent) or otherwise why wasnt it mentioned in the bible? (or is there some vague scripture that could refer to alien life).
Or even limiting this to earth, why did Native Americans have no knowledge of Jesus or the christian God if it is in fact the correct belief system?



QUOTE (meli @ Aug 16 2008, 04:10 AM) *
QUOTE (TSD @ Aug 16 2008, 05:22 AM) *
I am not talking about sentient aliens (although they apply as well, suppose we could discuss both). If we discovered evidence of or acutal life on a planet other than earth would it impact your faith?

It brings about some points:

1. If we are the focal point, meaning we are all that matters in the universe at least from Gods point of view, what was the point to creating the Billion plus other solar systems that exist? Why not just create earth people animals end of story?
2. If extra terrestrial life is found be it sentient (intelligent) or otherwise why wasnt it mentioned in the bible? (or is there some vague scripture that could refer to alien life).
Or even limiting this to earth, why did Native Americans have no knowledge of Jesus or the christian God if it is in fact the correct belief system?

To answer your first question, no it would not kill my faith at all. WHY would I limit God into being who and doing what I think He should do. I don't consider myself the center of the universe nor do I consider mankind the center. Nor do I consider Earth the center. I consider the Kingdom the center and i don't mean the literal center. God created creatures other then us, some covered in eyes for example, some with wings and who knows what else we don't know of? But why would we need to know everything especially things that don't pertain to us? And why ever would I lose faith if God created a creature that I am unfamiliar with blink.gif
I don't know why people sell the Native American's short. Have a look at their histories and their stories, not all of them, but some of them.

P.S. I have gone off to finish painting the bedroom walls and this question remains in my mind. To me it is akin to setting my own conditions on my faith. I am yours Lord as long as you have created no other beings on any other planets in any galaxy in the universe. I am yours as long as we from Earth are your favourite. If these things be not true, the deal is off. That wouldn't make sense would it?


You don't have to ask me this question, but the answer is no... it will not affect my faith, but STRENGTHEN it, for the Bible, YES INDEED, speaks of OTHER INHABITED WORLDS (much to the chagrin of those small-minded "Christians" who have been buried under their Bibles for decades): http://www.bibleuniverse.com/star_tour/race_to_the_stars.asp

And, Meli, you're absolutely correct, Jesus is Lord over the WHOLE Universe, not merely the speck that we call Earth as some crazy so-called "Christians" wacko.gif telling the LIES of Satan blink.gif would have us believe, due to their extremely limited and shallow thinking where they confine God within a tiny box the size of a postage stamp. dry.gif

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hope
rolleyes.gif Heavens No! It would just fill me with even more wonderment than I have now. I do think some people would have a hard time with it but who am I to have limits on God's desires? I think we have to be careful...if these "beings" ever show up. It is my belief that UFO's as we understand them now are the fallen angels of the ancient of days. We must take every step in the area very slowly and look to Jesus for answers. Aside from some crazy "slide-show" in the sky (man made) I will look for our Lord coming in the clouds just as the bible says. However, I don't put anything past Lucifer...he is the Prince of the Air!

If we have visitors and they know of our God and praise Him that will be one thing, but if they know of our God and tell us lies and try to confuse us it will be hard on many people. Maybe they will come through the increase in gravity when the planets align on 2012.

I've got to stop...this is making me nuts.

God's Love
Hope
Doma
QUOTE (TSD @ Aug 15 2008, 11:22 PM) *
I am not talking about sentient aliens (although they apply as well, suppose we could discuss both). If we discovered evidence of or acutal life on a planet other than earth would it impact your faith?

It brings about some points:

1. If we are the focal point, meaning we are all that matters in the universe at least from Gods point of view, what was the point to creating the Billion plus other solar systems that exist? Why not just create earth people animals end of story?
2. If extra terrestrial life is found be it sentient (intelligent) or otherwise why wasnt it mentioned in the bible? (or is there some vague scripture that could refer to alien life).
Or even limiting this to earth, why did Native Americans have no knowledge of Jesus or the christian God if it is in fact the correct belief system?


Mico-organisms could get to another planet from earth. This is a known possibility. Also it is possible for demons to move animal or plant life as well. But is it possible that there is unintelligent life on other planets put there from God? Possibly. I see no scriptures against it. However the Bible does not allow intelligent life to exist on other planets. And any such evidence is demonic. Demons can pretend to be aliens. You can even read the book of Adam and Eve, a supposed lost book of the Bible. I do not believe it to be scripture, but the ancient text does show satan going to Adam disguised as an alien. The concept therefore is ancient and plauible that demons can do this.
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