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ozell
Sabbath: The Lord's Day

"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because, that in it, He had rested from all his work which God created and made." (Gen 2:1-3). The bible reveals that God blessed and set apart (sanctified) the seventh day. This day is holy unto God, and it is the only day of the week that we are commanded to honor. "Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation: ye shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings." (Lev 23:3). A holy convocation is an assembly of the people of God, who come together to worship him.

There are two calendars that exist. God's calendar and man's calendar; both consist of seven day weeks.

The difference in the two calendars is that God has named the days with numbers, and man has given the days names.

God's calendar begins with day 1 and ends with day 7, his weekly Sabbath. Man's calendar names day 1 as, Sunday, and ends with Saturday, day 7, God's weekly Sabbath.

Although man's calendar is universal (the same all over the world) the majority of professed Christians worship the Lord on Sunday which is clearly the 1st day of the week not the 7th day that the Lord has hallowed, sanctified and commanded that we keep.

ozell
Professed Christians believe that Jesus rose from the grave on Sunday, thus, justifying themselves to change the Sabbath (the day of worship) to Sunday. However, the bible does not support their belief: "In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher. And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for low, I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. "He is not here: for he is risen," as he said. "Come; see the place where the lord lay." And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you." (Matthew 28:1, 5-7).

Contrary to popular beliefs, Jesus, who is God the Son, did not come in the flesh and change the day of "The Sabbath". In fact, the bible will show that Jesus is God of the "Holy Bible", who created the heaven and the earth, and blessed and made holy the seventh day.


"In the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made." (John 1:1-3).

Now, Revelation 19 verses 11-16 confirm to us that Jesus Christ is the word. Therefore John chapter 1 verses 1-3 is speaking on this manner; verse1: In the beginning was Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ was with God. And Jesus Christ was God. Verse 2: Jesus Christ was in the beginning with God. Verse 3: All things were made by Jesus Christ and without Jesus Christ was not anything that was made.

ozell
Let us establish this with another witness as God commands. "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:" (Eph 3:9).

Men and Women of Israel and all that fear God, this mystery has been revealed! According to the Bible there are two in the Godhead. Yet the traditions of men teach us about a trinity; one God manifested into three beings (Father, Son and Holy Ghost). The truth of the matter is in the bible, which tells us that there are only two members in the God family.

One member is the God of the old testament, who went by the name of Jehovah, I am, and, God Almighty. He is the same God that took on the seed of Abraham, became known as the son of man, and who was crucified and resurrected (risen) from the grave in the flesh. He became the first and only man (species) to be born again, see 1Cor. 15:20-23. The other member of the Godhead is the God who later became the Father and is the invisible God. "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him." (John 1:18).

So, the bible is the uncompromised word of God and God cannot lie. Therefore, Jesus is the God that created all things, including the Sabbath (day of rest). Hebrews 13 verse 8 informs us that Jesus Christ is “the same yesterday, and today, and forever". This means Jesus is constant and does not change. Therefore, the God of yesterday is the same God of today, who has commanded us to keep the Seventh day holy.
ozell
The seventh day is a sign between Jesus and His people (Israel) forever. "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant, it is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed." (Ex.31:16-17).

If you're a stranger (Non-Israelite), you must also keep the Lord's Sabbath day. "Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love him, to be his servants, every one of them that keepth the Sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; Even them will I bring to my Holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar: for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." (Isaiah 56:6-7).

Listen, people, read your bibles, hear the word of God, take hold of His covenant and follow the example that he has set for us.

"And Jesus returned in the power of the spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read." (Luke 4:14-16).

Notice that Jesus did not go to the house of worship on Sunday. Also, notice that, when he went to worship, he did not listen to a pastor’s interpretation of what he (the pastor) thought God was saying. But, Jesus sanctified the Sabbath day (7th day) and he read the "Holy Scriptures". Apostle Paul is an example of a true Christian giving respect unto the Lord's Day.

Christian means Christ like, and Paul is a great imitator of Christ. "And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures," (Acts 17:2). Brothers and sisters our forefathers customs, manners or tradition was honoring all the laws of God. Our forefathers were believers in the "Holy Scriptures" and those of our forefathers, who dishonored the law by polluting the Sabbath, were stoned to death. Even in this day, any Christian not honoring the customs of the Lord is to be cut off from among "The Church" (Israel). "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us." (2Thes 3:6). People, keeping the Sabbath day is apart of that tradition.

ozell
We all know that the Sabbath day consist of 24 hours, as all days do. However it is important that we understand that the Lord begins the day with the evening, "And God called the light day, and the darkness was called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." (Gen 1:5). Man begins the day at 12:01 am, so, there is about a six hour difference from sundown (beginning of the day) to midnight.

In other words, the seventh day begins Friday at evening, instead of, midnight Friday; thus, the seventh day is sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. As we tend to keeping the whole law of God, we must, also remember to observe the whole day of rest.

Prophecy declared that we would forget to keep the Sabbath holy. "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy", is what the Lord commands us in the "Ten Commandments", see Ex.20:8-11.Yes, the world has forgotten to sanctify the Sabbath and that is the reason why we (the world) are in such a terrible state today. "The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, change the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

Therefore hath the cursed devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left." (Isaiah 24:5-6). Let this scripture encourage us not to be "Covenant breakers" and learn how we are to honor the Sabbath by keeping it holy and a sacred day. Men and women of Israel and all that fear God, if we want eternal life in Jesus' Kingdom, and favor with God and man here on earth, we must be real Christians; not so-called Christians, and rejoice in his Sabbath on the Sabbath (7th day).

"Hear ye this, O' house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the Lord and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness. For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; the Lord of hosts is his name." (Isaiah 48:1-2). "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:" (Rom 9:6). People, just coming to church week after week is not enough. We must not forget to keep the Sabbath day holy.

Remember, if you smoke, don't light up on the Sabbath. "Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the Sabbath day." (Ex 35:3). Don't cook on the Sabbath day, but prepare your meals before sundown Friday. "And he said unto them, this is that which the Lord hath said, tomorrow is the rest of the Holy Sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake today, and seethe (boil) that ye will seethe; and that which remainth over lay up for to be kept until the morning." (Ex 16:23).

Also, it is wise to prepare salads and eat fruit, vegetables and snacks. The Lord commands us not to do any work on the Sabbath. This includes household chores as well as, labor for hire. "Six days shall work be done, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death." (Ex 31:15).

People, if we are caught polluting the Sabbath, when Jesus returns, we will have a greater punishment than in the days of stoning, see Hebrews 10:28-31.

So take heed, to do any type of business transaction, pollutes and profanes God's Sabbath.

There must be no buying and selling on the Sabbath, read Nehemiah 13:15-22. Understand the Sabbath is not a joke. Get smart and honor it! Surely, things will come up, and sometimes we must do things on the Sabbath we ordinarily wouldn't.

Sometimes we must even work (for pay)(on the Sabbath), That's why Jesus told us that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath, Mark 2:27. We are allowed to do well on the Sabbath. It is good to visit one another and speak thus said the Lord. It is also good to save a life of visit the afflicted on the Sabbath.

By all means, do what you must and work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, see Philippians 2:12. However, know that God searches the heart (mind) and he knows whether or not we are sincere. "Be not deceived; God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh, shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the spirit shall of the spirit reap life everlasting." (Gal. 6:7-8). Finally, people remember to keep the Sabbath Day holy and sow the seed of eternal life.

Until the next time…


http://www.theisraelofgod.com/

redemption99
Christ Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Even his Disciples broke the "no work" on the sabbath rule back when Jesus was alive

Matthew 12
1 At that :season :Jesus went on the sabbaths through the grainfields; and his
:disciples hungered, and began to pluck ears and eat. 2 But the Pharisees, seeing it,
said to him, Lo, thy :disciples do what it is not lawful to do on a sabbath. 3 But he said to them, Have ye not read what David did, when he hungered, and they with him;
4 how he entered into the house of :God, and they ate the :show-loaves, which it was
not lawful for him to eat, neither for those with him, but for the priests alone? 5 Or have
ye not read in the law, that on the sabbaths the priests in the temple profane the
sabbath, and are guiltless? 6 But I say unto you, that aught greater than the temple is
here. 7 But had ye known what is, I desire mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have
condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of :man is lord of the sabbath.


The Word of God also says this:

Collosions 2
16 Let no one therefore judge you in meat, and in drink, or in respect of a feast
day or new moon or sabbaths: 17 which are a shadow of the things to come: but the
body is the Christ's
. 18 Let no one rob you of a prize by voluntary humility and worship
of the angels, dwelling in what things he hath seen, vainly puffed up by the mind of his
:flesh 19 and not holding to the Head, from whom all the body, being supplied and knit
together through the joints and bands, increaseth with the increase of :God.

Hebrews Chapter 4 also talks about the sabbath that is left for the people of God which is described as TODAY meaning everyday!

Hebrews Chapter 4
1 Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his :rest, any one
of you should seem to have come short. 2 For indeed we have been evangelized even
as also they: but the word of :hearing did not profit them, because they were not united
by :faith with them that heard. 3 For we who have believed are entering into the rest;
even as he hath said,
As I sware in my :wrath, If they shall enter into my :rest:
although the works were finished from the world’s foundation. 4 For he hath said
somewhere of the seventh thus, And :God rested on the seventh :day from all his
:works; 5 and in this place again,
They shall not enter into my :rest.
6 Since therefore it remaineth that some enter therinto, and the afore evangelized
entered not because of disobedience, 7 he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying
in David so long a time after (even as hath been said before),

To-day if ye shall hear his :voice,
Harden not your :hearts.
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another
day. 9 A sabbath rest remaineth therefore for the people of :God. 10 For who is
entered into :his rest hath himself also rested from his :work, as :God did from his :own.
11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that :rest, that no one fall after the same
example of :disobedience. 12 For living is the word of :God, and active, and sharper
than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both
joints and marrow, and a discerner of thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is
no creature not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and laid open before the
eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Having therefore a great high priest, who hath passed through the
heavens, Jesus the Son of :God, let us hold fast the confession. 15 For we have not a
high priest that cannot sympathize with our :infirmities; but one in all points tempted
according to our likeness, without sin. 16 Let us therefore with boldness approach the
throne of :grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

We are suppose to rest from our works everyday and let the works and promises of God show through our lives. For we no longer live but Christ lives in us so that His glory may be shown to the world! =)
raysondawn
QUOTE (redemption99 @ Aug 2 2008, 06:39 PM) *
Christ Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Even his Disciples broke the "no work" on the sabbath rule back when Jesus was alive

Matthew 12
1 At that :season :Jesus went on the sabbaths through the grainfields; and his
:disciples hungered, and began to pluck ears and eat. 2 But the Pharisees, seeing it,
said to him, Lo, thy :disciples do what it is not lawful to do on a sabbath. 3 But he said to them, Have ye not read what David did, when he hungered, and they with him;
4 how he entered into the house of :God, and they ate the :show-loaves, which it was
not lawful for him to eat, neither for those with him, but for the priests alone? 5 Or have
ye not read in the law, that on the sabbaths the priests in the temple profane the
sabbath, and are guiltless? 6 But I say unto you, that aught greater than the temple is
here. 7 But had ye known what is, I desire mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have
condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of :man is lord of the sabbath.


The Word of God also says this:

Collosions 2
16 Let no one therefore judge you in meat, and in drink, or in respect of a feast
day or new moon or sabbaths: 17 which are a shadow of the things to come: but the
body is the Christ's
. 18 Let no one rob you of a prize by voluntary humility and worship
of the angels, dwelling in what things he hath seen, vainly puffed up by the mind of his
:flesh 19 and not holding to the Head, from whom all the body, being supplied and knit
together through the joints and bands, increaseth with the increase of :God.

Hebrews Chapter 4 also talks about the sabbath that is left for the people of God which is described as TODAY meaning everyday!

Hebrews Chapter 4
1 Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his :rest, any one
of you should seem to have come short. 2 For indeed we have been evangelized even
as also they: but the word of :hearing did not profit them, because they were not united
by :faith with them that heard. 3 For we who have believed are entering into the rest;
even as he hath said,
As I sware in my :wrath, If they shall enter into my :rest:
although the works were finished from the world’s foundation. 4 For he hath said
somewhere of the seventh thus, And :God rested on the seventh :day from all his
:works; 5 and in this place again,
They shall not enter into my :rest.
6 Since therefore it remaineth that some enter therinto, and the afore evangelized
entered not because of disobedience, 7 he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying
in David so long a time after (even as hath been said before),

To-day if ye shall hear his :voice,
Harden not your :hearts.
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another
day. 9 A sabbath rest remaineth therefore for the people of :God. 10 For who is
entered into :his rest hath himself also rested from his :work, as :God did from his :own.
11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that :rest, that no one fall after the same
example of :disobedience. 12 For living is the word of :God, and active, and sharper
than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both
joints and marrow, and a discerner of thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is
no creature not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and laid open before the
eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Having therefore a great high priest, who hath passed through the
heavens, Jesus the Son of :God, let us hold fast the confession. 15 For we have not a
high priest that cannot sympathize with our :infirmities; but one in all points tempted
according to our likeness, without sin. 16 Let us therefore with boldness approach the
throne of :grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

We are suppose to rest from our works everyday and let the works and promises of God show through our lives. For we no longer live but Christ lives in us so that His glory may be shown to the world! =)



Just for the record, the disciples were not performing a "work" on the sabbath day. The view of the Talmudists of Jesus' Day was that this was a violation of the extra-torah traditions added by the Pharisees. This "tradition of the elders" was a streach of the passage in Deuteronomy 23:25

Deu 23:25 When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbour's standing corn.
So where was the disciples violating "the law" here?
The answer is that they were not! At least not the law of God.

They were not "harvesting" which would be a work, but were eating that which was considered not "prepared for the sabbath in advance" according to the tractates on the Sabbath contained in the Jewish Talmud. This of course goes beyond what Torah teaches. Jesus' disciples was not violating the Law of God, but were perceived to be violating the law of God in the form of the laws of man. So the son of man is indeed the Lord of the sabbath and he has not changed since he gave the decalogue to Moses.


Colossians 2:14-17 is speaking about "judging" another in the area of meat and drink offerings, the new moons, feasts, and the Sabbath. It is obvious that the ceremonial portion of the law has been superceeded by another priesthood in the body of Christ. The Melchizedek priesthood is now, as it was in the days of Abraham, the functional priesthood of the Body of Christ. (Hebrews chapters 5-10)
Therefore since there is no longer a probationary priesthood of Aaron, but a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek (psalm 110) to judge another about the Sabbath beyond servile labor or un-necessary labor would be to commit the same transgression as the Pharisees did in Jesus day. To judge someone in regards to meat offerings and drink offerings in a time where that portion of the law has been taken out of the way would be to judge one after the law which is obsolete.
But to say that the entire law of God is somehow mystically "done away with" along with the ceremonial provisons of the priesthood is ludicrous. If so, then I would like to sleep with your wife since were no longer "under the law".
This is the rank heresy of the "christian" church of the last 1000 years.
Men should know what the law says before they judge what exactly has, and what has not been done away with.
Men should also realize that the "law" that Jesus opposed in his day here as the Son of Man was the laws known as the "traditions of the elders" or what is called "the Talmud" and not the Law of God which is known as the Torah.


"To the law and testimony, if any speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in him." Isaiah 8:4

Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
paulphelps
Don't forget that present-day Sabbath keeping is most often based on existing (manmade) calendars.
Click http://www.lunarsabbath.com/ for explanations of the 'lunar Sabbath' concept, which takes moon phases as the time-indicater of week observance. See also my treatise on this: http://www.eifiles.cn/os-en.htm .
redemption99
QUOTE (raysondawn @ Aug 2 2008, 07:46 PM) *
QUOTE (redemption99 @ Aug 2 2008, 06:39 PM) *
Christ Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Even his Disciples broke the "no work" on the sabbath rule back when Jesus was alive

Matthew 12
1 At that :season :Jesus went on the sabbaths through the grainfields; and his
:disciples hungered, and began to pluck ears and eat. 2 But the Pharisees, seeing it,
said to him, Lo, thy :disciples do what it is not lawful to do on a sabbath. 3 But he said to them, Have ye not read what David did, when he hungered, and they with him;
4 how he entered into the house of :God, and they ate the :show-loaves, which it was
not lawful for him to eat, neither for those with him, but for the priests alone? 5 Or have
ye not read in the law, that on the sabbaths the priests in the temple profane the
sabbath, and are guiltless? 6 But I say unto you, that aught greater than the temple is
here. 7 But had ye known what is, I desire mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have
condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of :man is lord of the sabbath.


The Word of God also says this:

Collosions 2
16 Let no one therefore judge you in meat, and in drink, or in respect of a feast
day or new moon or sabbaths: 17 which are a shadow of the things to come: but the
body is the Christ's
. 18 Let no one rob you of a prize by voluntary humility and worship
of the angels, dwelling in what things he hath seen, vainly puffed up by the mind of his
:flesh 19 and not holding to the Head, from whom all the body, being supplied and knit
together through the joints and bands, increaseth with the increase of :God.

Hebrews Chapter 4 also talks about the sabbath that is left for the people of God which is described as TODAY meaning everyday!

Hebrews Chapter 4
1 Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his :rest, any one
of you should seem to have come short. 2 For indeed we have been evangelized even
as also they: but the word of :hearing did not profit them, because they were not united
by :faith with them that heard. 3 For we who have believed are entering into the rest;
even as he hath said,
As I sware in my :wrath, If they shall enter into my :rest:
although the works were finished from the world’s foundation. 4 For he hath said
somewhere of the seventh thus, And :God rested on the seventh :day from all his
:works; 5 and in this place again,
They shall not enter into my :rest.
6 Since therefore it remaineth that some enter therinto, and the afore evangelized
entered not because of disobedience, 7 he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying
in David so long a time after (even as hath been said before),

To-day if ye shall hear his :voice,
Harden not your :hearts.
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another
day. 9 A sabbath rest remaineth therefore for the people of :God. 10 For who is
entered into :his rest hath himself also rested from his :work, as :God did from his :own.
11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that :rest, that no one fall after the same
example of :disobedience. 12 For living is the word of :God, and active, and sharper
than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both
joints and marrow, and a discerner of thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is
no creature not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and laid open before the
eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Having therefore a great high priest, who hath passed through the
heavens, Jesus the Son of :God, let us hold fast the confession. 15 For we have not a
high priest that cannot sympathize with our :infirmities; but one in all points tempted
according to our likeness, without sin. 16 Let us therefore with boldness approach the
throne of :grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

We are suppose to rest from our works everyday and let the works and promises of God show through our lives. For we no longer live but Christ lives in us so that His glory may be shown to the world! =)



Just for the record, the disciples were not performing a "work" on the sabbath day. The view of the Talmudists of Jesus' Day was that this was a violation of the extra-torah traditions added by the Pharisees. This "tradition of the elders" was a streach of the passage in Deuteronomy 23:25

Deu 23:25 When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbour's standing corn.
So where was the disciples violating "the law" here?
The answer is that they were not! At least not the law of God.

They were not "harvesting" which would be a work, but were eating that which was considered not "prepared for the sabbath in advance" according to the tractates on the Sabbath contained in the Jewish Talmud. This of course goes beyond what Torah teaches. Jesus' disciples was not violating the Law of God, but were perceived to be violating the law of God in the form of the laws of man. So the son of man is indeed the Lord of the sabbath and he has not changed since he gave the decalogue to Moses.


Colossians 2:14-17 is speaking about "judging" another in the area of meat and drink offerings, the new moons, feasts, and the Sabbath. It is obvious that the ceremonial portion of the law has been superceeded by another priesthood in the body of Christ. The Melchizedek priesthood is now, as it was in the days of Abraham, the functional priesthood of the Body of Christ. (Hebrews chapters 5-10)
Therefore since there is no longer a probationary priesthood of Aaron, but a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek (psalm 110) to judge another about the Sabbath beyond servile labor or un-necessary labor would be to commit the same transgression as the Pharisees did in Jesus day. To judge someone in regards to meat offerings and drink offerings in a time where that portion of the law has been taken out of the way would be to judge one after the law which is obsolete.
But to say that the entire law of God is somehow mystically "done away with" along with the ceremonial provisons of the priesthood is ludicrous. If so, then I would like to sleep with your wife since were no longer "under the law".
This is the rank heresy of the "christian" church of the last 1000 years.
Men should know what the law says before they judge what exactly has, and what has not been done away with.
Men should also realize that the "law" that Jesus opposed in his day here as the Son of Man was the laws known as the "traditions of the elders" or what is called "the Talmud" and not the Law of God which is known as the Torah.


"To the law and testimony, if any speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in him." Isaiah 8:4

Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.



Even if that is true about the Jewish traditions at that time the Word of God still says this in exodus....

Exodus 20:10
but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Which is what i thought they were refering too when they said that they had broken the law.

Also i never said that the Law was done away with, Jesus himself said he came to fulfill the law. He also summed up the entire 10 commandments in two, if you remember. He came to show us how to live because the chosen of God in that day were not living right. He came to fulfill all of the Law and the prohecy's and to get rid of the curse that had been on us since Adam.
dennis mann
Collossians 2;16

you can't judge me concerning the observing of the 7th day as sabbath.............Ozell has rejected the NT


i work 7 days per week

i observe every day as equally holy

the early christians preached, prayed and took up offerings for charity on the 1st day of the week...........they observed a day of worship on Sunday, because Jesus resurrected on Sunday

His resurrection is the central day of all time and space
ozell
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name='redemption99' date='Aug 2 2008, 06:39 PM' post='218192']
Christ Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Even his Disciples broke the "no work" on the sabbath rule back when Jesus was alive

Matthew 12
1 At that :season :Jesus went on the sabbaths through the grainfields; and his
:disciples hungered, and began to pluck ears and eat. 2 But the Pharisees, seeing it,
said to him, Lo, thy :disciples do what it is not lawful to do on a sabbath. 3 But he said to them, Have ye not read what David did, when he hungered, and they with him;
4 how he entered into the house of :God, and they ate the :show-loaves, which it was
not lawful for him to eat, neither for those with him, but for the priests alone? 5 Or have
ye not read in the law, that on the sabbaths the priests in the temple profane the
sabbath, and are guiltless? 6 But I say unto you, that aught greater than the temple is
here. 7 But had ye known what is, I desire mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have
condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of :man is lord of the sabbath.


answer this question?


Mk 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

QUOTE
The Word of God also says this:

Collosions 2
16 Let no one therefore judge you in meat, and in drink, or in respect of a feast
day or new moon or sabbaths: 17 which are a shadow of the things to come: but the
body is the Christ's
. 18 Let no one rob you of a prize by voluntary humility and worship
of the angels, dwelling in what things he hath seen, vainly puffed up by the mind of his
:flesh 19 and not holding to the Head, from whom all the body, being supplied and knit
together through the joints and bands, increaseth with the increase of :God.



answer this question where do it say for you not tokeep God's sabbath day in the entire chapter?

QUOTE
Hebrews Chapter 4 also talks about the sabbath that is left for the people of God which is described as TODAY meaning everyday!

Hebrews Chapter 4
1 Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his :rest, any one
of you should seem to have come short. 2 For indeed we have been evangelized even
as also they: but the word of :hearing did not profit them, because they were not united
by :faith with them that heard. 3 For we who have believed are entering into the rest;
even as he hath said,
As I sware in my :wrath, If they shall enter into my :rest:
although the works were finished from the world’s foundation. 4 For he hath said
somewhere of the seventh thus, And :God rested on the seventh :day from all his
:works; 5 and in this place again,
They shall not enter into my :rest.
6 Since therefore it remaineth that some enter therinto, and the afore evangelized
entered not because of disobedience, 7 he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying
in David so long a time after (even as hath been said before),

To-day if ye shall hear his :voice,
Harden not your :hearts.
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another
day. 9 A sabbath rest remaineth therefore for the people of :God. 10 For who is
entered into :his rest hath himself also rested from his :work, as :God did from his :own.
11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that :rest, that no one fall after the same
example of :disobedience. 12 For living is the word of :God, and active, and sharper
than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both
joints and marrow, and a discerner of thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is
no creature not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and laid open before the
eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Having therefore a great high priest, who hath passed through the
heavens, Jesus the Son of :God, let us hold fast the confession. 15 For we have not a
high priest that cannot sympathize with our :infirmities; but one in all points tempted
according to our likeness, without sin. 16 Let us therefore with boldness approach the
throne of :grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.


QUOTE
Hebrews Chapter 4 also talks about the sabbath that is left for the people of God which is described as TODAY meaning everyday!


clarify more please!

QUOTE
We are suppose to rest from our works everyday and let the works and promises of God show through our lives. For we no longer live but Christ lives in us so that His glory may be shown to the world! =)


read me this from the bible please.

the Lord said

Ex 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

why are you saying we are to rest everyday,when the Lord said rest the 7th day?

who should I believe you or God?

ozell
QUOTE (dennis mann @ Aug 3 2008, 05:54 AM) *
Collossians 2;16

you can't judge me concerning the observing of the 7th day as sabbath.............Ozell has rejected the NT


i work 7 days per week

i observe every day as equally holy

the early christians preached, prayed and took up offerings for charity on the 1st day of the week...........they observed a day of worship on Sunday, because Jesus resurrected on Sunday

His resurrection is the central day of all time and space


forget it!!
researcher
QUOTE
Ex 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:



Gal 5:18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

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ozell
QUOTE (researcher @ Aug 4 2008, 08:19 PM) *
QUOTE
Ex 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:



Gal 5:18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

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what spirit brother?

let me show you two spirits right quick and then you tell me the spirit you are talking about.

Jesus said
Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

then Jesus will pray to the Father to send you the comforter

16: And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

who is this comforter, he is the SPIRIT of truth

17: Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18: I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

another name for this SPIRIT of truth is HOLY GHOST.

26: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

so we have to keep the commandments to get the Holy ghost,

included in the commandments is

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
now I understand if I keep the commandments not only do I love Jesus but I am led by the spirit.

one more

Jesus said

Jn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


what are some of the words of Jesus?

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

also

Lk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

also

Lk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

and last

Jn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

so if you are led by the spirit you will
Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

because he will

the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

and Jesus said

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.




researcher
QUOTE
so we have to keep the commandments to get the Holy ghost,

included in the commandments is

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
now I understand if I keep the commandments not only do I love Jesus but I am led by the spirit.


I went to church on Sunday's, and, I still got the HS when I was baptized. wink.gif

Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, that on the sabbath day the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are guiltless?

Rev 1:6 and he made us to be a kingdom, to be priests unto his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:



If the Sabbath was made for us, why would God care if we kept it? wink.gif
Maz
Humbug on Sabbath keeping. If I keep the sabbath I must do all the law. Right now I am into grace...it just seems right. From this point I submit the entire New Testament. Go figure.

Lawgivers, where are your prayer lines....the ones where you cut off the hand and the foot and pluck out the eye and lop off the forsekin...keep the Sabbath and keep these also...for sin must be ationed for under the law by the perscribed method...you religious hounds get clucking...
signet



you can keep Saturday or Sunday under grace...or any other day.

why judge a man which day he worships the Lord, or what is on his plate?

ozell
QUOTE
='researcher' date='Aug 4 2008, 10:00 PM' post='219053']
e]so we have to keep the commandments to get the Holy ghost,

included in the commandments is

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

now I understand if I keep the commandments not only do I love Jesus but I am led by the spirit

I went to church on Sunday's, and, I still got the HS when I was baptized. wink.gif


say's who?

QUOTE
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, that on the sabbath day the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are guiltless?

Rev 1:6 and he made us to be a kingdom, to be priests unto his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:



If the Sabbath was made for us, why would God care if we kept it? wink.gif


He gave it to you and he commanded for us to keep it!

and Paul said

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

since God don't change the sabbath was good yesterday for the Jew first
today for the Jew first
and forever for the jew first

it must be good for the gentiles yesterday
the gentiles today
and the gentiles forever

ozell
QUOTE (Maz @ Aug 4 2008, 10:02 PM) *
Humbug on Sabbath keeping. If I keep the sabbath I must do all the law. Right now I am into grace...it just seems right. From this point I submit the entire New Testament. Go figure.

Lawgivers, where are your prayer lines....the ones where you cut off the hand and the foot and pluck out the eye and lop off the forsekin...keep the Sabbath and keep these also...for sin must be ationed for under the law by the perscribed method...you religious hounds get clucking...


Maz

put some scriptures

what grace are you under?

how do I know you are under grace, you won't put scriptures to back up your assumption.


researcher
QUOTE (ozell @ Aug 4 2008, 07:24 PM) *
QUOTE
='researcher' date='Aug 4 2008, 10:00 PM' post='219053']
e]so we have to keep the commandments to get the Holy ghost,

included in the commandments is

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

now I understand if I keep the commandments not only do I love Jesus but I am led by the spirit

I went to church on Sunday's, and, I still got the HS when I was baptized. wink.gif


say's who?

QUOTE
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, that on the sabbath day the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are guiltless?

Rev 1:6 and he made us to be a kingdom, to be priests unto his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:



If the Sabbath was made for us, why would God care if we kept it? wink.gif


He gave it to you and he commanded for us to keep it!

and Paul said

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

since God don't change the sabbath was good yesterday for the Jew first
today for the Jew first
and forever for the jew first

it must be good for the gentiles yesterday
the gentiles today
and the gentiles forever


He kept answering my prayers. Must have been good enough for Him. wink.gif smile.gif
ozell
QUOTE (signet @ Aug 4 2008, 10:16 PM) *
you can keep Saturday or Sunday under grace...or any other day.

why judge a man which day he worships the Lord, or what is on his plate?


show me where a person was judged on this topic?

you can keep the sabbath or sunday and anyday under grace, if you know what grace is.
ozell
QUOTE (researcher @ Aug 4 2008, 10:28 PM) *
QUOTE (ozell @ Aug 4 2008, 07:24 PM) *
QUOTE
='researcher' date='Aug 4 2008, 10:00 PM' post='219053']
e]so we have to keep the commandments to get the Holy ghost,

included in the commandments is

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

now I understand if I keep the commandments not only do I love Jesus but I am led by the spirit

I went to church on Sunday's, and, I still got the HS when I was baptized. wink.gif


say's who?

QUOTE
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, that on the sabbath day the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are guiltless?

Rev 1:6 and he made us to be a kingdom, to be priests unto his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:



If the Sabbath was made for us, why would God care if we kept it? wink.gif


He gave it to you and he commanded for us to keep it!

and Paul said

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

since God don't change the sabbath was good yesterday for the Jew first
today for the Jew first
and forever for the jew first

it must be good for the gentiles yesterday
the gentiles today
and the gentiles forever


He kept answering my prayers. Must have been good enough for Him. wink.gif smile.gif


that's good to hear

I know researcher you are aware that satan blesses also

Lk 4
1: And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2: Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3: And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4: And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5: And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6: And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7: If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

Maz
QUOTE (ozell @ Aug 4 2008, 08:27 PM) *
QUOTE (Maz @ Aug 4 2008, 10:02 PM) *
Humbug on Sabbath keeping. If I keep the sabbath I must do all the law. Right now I am into grace...it just seems right. From this point I submit the entire New Testament. Go figure.

Lawgivers, where are your prayer lines....the ones where you cut off the hand and the foot and pluck out the eye and lop off the forsekin...keep the Sabbath and keep these also...for sin must be ationed for under the law by the perscribed method...you religious hounds get clucking...


Maz

put some scriptures

what grace are you under?

how do I know you are under grace, you won't put scriptures to back up your assumption.

Give me a break...If you do not know any grace scriptures I am not running at the bit to get them for you....you have not given your law scripture...the ones where you are willing to obey the ritual to cover sin by amputations etc...
researcher
QUOTE (ozell @ Aug 4 2008, 08:33 PM) *
QUOTE (researcher @ Aug 4 2008, 10:28 PM) *
QUOTE (ozell @ Aug 4 2008, 07:24 PM) *
QUOTE
='researcher' date='Aug 4 2008, 10:00 PM' post='219053']
e]so we have to keep the commandments to get the Holy ghost,

included in the commandments is

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

now I understand if I keep the commandments not only do I love Jesus but I am led by the spirit

I went to church on Sunday's, and, I still got the HS when I was baptized. wink.gif


say's who?

QUOTE
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, that on the sabbath day the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are guiltless?

Rev 1:6 and he made us to be a kingdom, to be priests unto his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:



If the Sabbath was made for us, why would God care if we kept it? wink.gif


He gave it to you and he commanded for us to keep it!

and Paul said

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

since God don't change the sabbath was good yesterday for the Jew first
today for the Jew first
and forever for the jew first

it must be good for the gentiles yesterday
the gentiles today
and the gentiles forever


He kept answering my prayers. Must have been good enough for Him. wink.gif smile.gif


that's good to hear

I know researcher you are aware that satan blesses also



Lol. Yes, he blesses his own. He tries to kill the chosen though.
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=15560&hl= (5th paragraph down) wink.gif

Pretty sure God was answering me, not the other guy. wink.gif
ozell

QUOTE
Lol. Yes, he blesses his own. He tries to kill the chosen though.
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=15560&hl= (5th paragraph down) wink.gif

Pretty sure God was answering me, not the other guy. wink.gif


reasearcher

think about this verse for a moment

2Pt 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

don't take any other way except for what it says. don't get emotional on me.

now line up what God's say verses what man says

start with the sabbath vs sunday

or 7th day vs 1st day

which one in the bible are we told to keep holy, to rememeber, do no work, have a holy convocation.

brother come at me with scriptures on the sabbath vs sunday

ozell
Ex 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Ex 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Ezek 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Ezek 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

the sabbath is a sign between him and his people this we can read

satan has to counter God by choosing a day so what day did he pick?

1st day?
2nd day? no
3rd day? no
4th day? no
5th day? no
6th day? no
7th day ? no

a sign between satan and his people is what day?


Watcher
Hello Ozell,

Hope you are doing well. I have inlcuded somethings for you to read. I have read over them a couple of time and re-reading still.

First off lets start with this just incase it is brought up. Constantine did not change the sabbath if some still believe that. In the didache "The Teachings of the Twelve Apostles" written in 120-160 AD long before Constantine.

Chapter 14. Christian Assembly on the Lord's Day. But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: "In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations."

We know that the Lords day is the first day of the week a Sunday.

Now the Law I have told you this before. There is a moral law that all Christians are obligated to follow. Do you think that the Israelites needed the 10 commands to know that stealing, murder and things of that nature were wrong? No of course not. Where did that knowledge come from then? Well what was the tree that Adam and Eve ate of again....yes it was the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" this knowledge has been passed down to us from the beginning of time.


God gave Israel the law to set them apart from the world they were His chosen people. It amazes me the God always chooses the least likely of people to do His work. I mean look how His Son entered this world. Sorry back on track. These laws were tough, Satan has already once tried to corrupt the blood line of man before the flood. These laws helped keep them in line. Sadly they still broke them and God wrath fell upon them but His mercy is greater.

The Sabbath is a day of rest. Jesus came to fullfill the law we are to rest in Him find strenght in Him so that we can resist the temptations of the flesh and to deny oneself. The Israelites were slaves working 7 days a week. Man sometimes get wrapped up in his work putting it before God and we tend to rely on our own works and not trust in God and having faith in God to take care of us.

Man can not find rest in himself. No matter how hard we try we still can not rely on our own works to save us. I am starting to see a pattern here about the sabbath and works. We are told we are not found righteous by works alone that faith is the important matter. Abraham was found righteous before the law (Romans 4) was he not? He had faith in God and was a moral man. Abraham rested in the Lord had faith in the Lord. The Jews believed they were saved by their works and not resting or having faith in Jesus or I should say finding their sabbath in Jesus Christ.

What was the law for? The knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20), I have a hard time believing that man did not know it was wrong to murder and things of that nature before the 10 commandments wich leads me to believe that the law has been in the hearts of man since the fall of man. (Romans 3:31) That is why faith does not void the law in our hearts, we uphold the law in our hearts because we have faith and love in the Lord.

We are to rest in Him and rely on Him for rest not our own works. That I what I believe the moral of the Sabbath Law is about.

If the laws change does that mean God made a mistake in the beginning? No it does not we modify laws all the time we either remove or add restrictions because the situation changes. I think the keep word to inlude here with God is New Covenant wich means some modifications are in order. Did God change His mind? No, we do not know if God had this planned this way from the very beginning of time. His ways are above our own.

Do to the length of these I have included the link:

http://parablemania.ektopos.com/archives/2...ay_and_the.html

http://parablemania.ektopos.com/archives/2...sabbath_st.html

I have more that I will add later



In the Bible are the 10 commandments refered to the Law of Moses as well?







researcher
QUOTE (ozell @ Aug 5 2008, 01:59 AM) *
QUOTE
Lol. Yes, he blesses his own. He tries to kill the chosen though.
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=15560&hl= (5th paragraph down) wink.gif

Pretty sure God was answering me, not the other guy. wink.gif


reasearcher

think about this verse for a moment

2Pt 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

don't take any other way except for what it says. don't get emotional on me.

now line up what God's say verses what man says

start with the sabbath vs sunday

or 7th day vs 1st day

which one in the bible are we told to keep holy, to rememeber, do no work, have a holy convocation.

brother come at me with scriptures on the sabbath vs sunday


No emotion. Statement of facts. I used to make 8k a month selling meth and had thugs work the streets, why would I be emotional.

Not worried about the Sabbath. He's never led me to. wink.gif
ozell
QUOTE
name='Watcher' date='Aug 5 2008, 09:08 AM' post='219194']
Hello Ozell,

Hope you are doing well. I have inlcuded somethings for you to read. I have read over them a couple of time and re-reading still.

First off lets start with this just incase it is brought up. Constantine did not change the sabbath if some still believe that. In the didache "The Teachings of the Twelve Apostles" written in 120-160 AD long before Constantine.


Good evening Brother watcher.

I will have to do some research concerning this didache.

QUOTE
Chapter 14. Christian Assembly on the Lord's Day. But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: "In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations."

We know that the Lords day is the first day of the week a Sunday.



now watcher, until I can get to the diadache and research we have to use the bible to make the playing field level.

where in the bible do it say that the Lord's day is sunday?


QUOTE
Now the Law I have told you this before. There is a moral law that all Christians are obligated to follow. Do you think that the Israelites needed the 10 commands to know that stealing, murder and things of that nature were wrong? No of course not. Where did that knowledge come from then? Well what was the tree that Adam and Eve ate of again....yes it was the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" this knowledge has been passed down to us from the beginning of time.


you did not tell me who the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is.? who did adam and eve talk to?

QUOTE
God gave Israel the law to set them apart from the world they were His chosen people. It amazes me the God always chooses the least likely of people to do His work. I mean look how His Son entered this world. Sorry back on track. These laws were tough, Satan has already once tried to corrupt the blood line of man before the flood. These laws helped keep them in line. Sadly they still broke them and God wrath fell upon them but His mercy is greater.


we are in agreement

QUOTE
The Sabbath is a day of rest. Jesus came to fullfill the law we are to rest in Him find strenght in Him so that we can resist the temptations of the flesh and to deny oneself. The Israelites were slaves working 7 days a week. Man sometimes get wrapped up in his work putting it before God and we tend to rely on our own works and not trust in God and having faith in God to take care of us.


no lets boogie,

what Law did Jesus fulfill?
spiritually we can rest in Jesus, physically how do you rest in Jesus?

is this a physical command or a spiritual command?

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9: Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

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Man can not find rest in himself. No matter how hard we try we still can not rely on our own works to save us. I am starting to see a pattern here about the sabbath and works. We are told we are not found righteous by works alone that faith is the important matter. Abraham was found righteous before the law (Romans 4) was he not? He had faith in God and was a moral man. Abraham rested in the Lord had faith in the Lord. The Jews believed they were saved by their works and not resting or having faith in Jesus or I should say finding their sabbath in Jesus Christ.


again are we talking a spiritual rest or a physical rest.

Paul said

Phil 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Israel broke the Literal sabbath day.

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What was the law for? The knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20), I have a hard time believing that man did not know it was wrong to murder and things of that nature before the 10 commandments wich leads me to believe that the law has been in the hearts of man since the fall of man. (Romans 3:31) That is why faith does not void the law in our hearts, we uphold the law in our hearts because we have faith and love in the Lord.


the Law or 10 did not start with Israel brother is started in the beginning.

what is sin?
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
what lawwas transgressed?

so what did adam do? he disobeyed God sand it made us sinners.

Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

what is sin?
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
what lawwas transgressed?

let's look at cain

what did the Lord tell cain?

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

why is the Lord telling cain about sin, cain must knew about the law.

what is sin?
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
what lawwas transgressed?

cain knew the law!!

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We are to rest in Him and rely on Him for rest not our own works. That I what I believe the moral of the Sabbath Law is about.


how do you rest in Jesus on the sabbath?

are you aware that you are saying that we are to keep the sabbath.

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If the laws change does that mean God made a mistake in the beginning? No it does not we modify laws all the time we either remove or add restrictions because the situation changes. I think the keep word to inlude here with God is New Covenant wich means some modifications are in order. Did God change His mind? No, we do not know if God had this planned this way from the very beginning of time. His ways are above our own.


the laws have not changed nor modified.

Jesus said
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
and Jesus said
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

there is no change in Jesus

now lets look at the New and Old convenants.

Old convenant

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34: And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

New convenant

Heb 8:7: For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8: For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

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10: For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


11: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.


take a close look watcher

the convenant is made to Israel and Judah
the convenant is the same

there was no change nor modification brother watcher!!

Do to the length of these I have included the link:

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I have put these in my favorite to take a closer look.

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In the Bible are the 10 commandments refered to the Law of Moses as well?


Let read th bible and see who commandments they are.

1: And God spake all these words, saying,
2: I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6: And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9: Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12: Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13: Thou shalt not kill.
14: Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15: Thou shalt not steal.
16: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ---, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.


Ex34v
27: And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28: And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deut 4v
12: And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.
13: And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
14: And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

so now who Laws are they.

but if you are not convinced read this and tell me is this Jesus or Moses

Jms 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
ozell
Ex 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Ex 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Ezek 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Ezek 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

the sabbath is a sign between him and his people this we can read

satan has to counter God by choosing a day so what day did he pick?

1st day?
2nd day? no
3rd day? no
4th day? no
5th day? no
6th day? no
7th day ? no

Jesus said in the new

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Jesus said in the old

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

when did God find the time to change his day of worship, his day of rest?

so who changed it from the 7th day to the 1st day?

who has the authority to change God's laws?

you, me, protestants, catholics, muslims, hindu's, disciples, apostles, pastors, priest, satan,

who has the authority?


God wrote the 10 on STONE!!!

Ex 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deut 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deut 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

in that 10 included

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9: Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12: Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13: Thou shalt not kill.
14: Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15: Thou shalt not steal.
16: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ---, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

but before that was said, God said this

1: And God spake all these words, saying,

when he get down to the 4th commandment he uses the word REMEMBER.

why is this?

you forgot people .

the 7th day is the sabbath, not the 1st day.

God know what he is doing

so why don't you rstart to ememeber. NOW, today
Watcher
Ozell the didache is one of the oldest Christian writings some date it out it as far as 70 AD and others between 120-160 ad long before Constantine who is accused of changing the Sabbath.

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"you did not tell me who the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is.? who did adam and eve talk to?"


Satan was not the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, it was an actual tree.

Gen 2:8-9 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.


No special meaning it was just a tree. Here is the very first Law and the only law at the beginning of man.

"15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.""

This is the first law and the only law that God intended to have for man. Cain new murder was wrong because of his parents eating of this tree. They knew right from wrong they were born with the proper moral laws in their heart.


If the law never changes and Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever, why is it that the ones that follow the law do not still offer animal sacrifice? If the Law never changes why does this aspect of the law change or why was it modified? We can not pick and chose what to follow.

Ozell I appreciate what you are trying to do. You love the Lord and you are trying to keep His commandments if you love me follow my commandments. What were the command that Jesus gave from His mouth. Of the 10 commandments listed in Exodus 20:1-17, only nine of them were re-instituted by in the New Testament. (Six in Matthew 19:18, murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, honor parents, and worshiping God; Romans 13:9, coveting. Worshiping God properly covers the first three commandments) The one that was not reaffirmed was the one about the Sabbath. Instead, Jesus said that He is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matt. 12:8).

I have never told you not to follow the laws if you have the conviction that is yours to follow. My only concern is that you were relying the laws to save you and not faith Jesus Christ. All Christians have a moral responsibility as I have said before to follow the moral laws murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, honor parents, and worshiping God and do not covet. These are the very words of Christ Himself for us to follow keep these commandments if you love me. Here are two studies one on the Sabbath and the other concerning the Lords Day.

Should we keep the Sabbath or not?
Exodus 20:8; 23:12; 31:15; Deuteronomy 5:12; Leviticus 26:2
and and Romans 14:5; Colossians 2:16



1.Keep the Sabbath
1.(Exodus 20:8) - "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
2.(Exodus 23:12) - "Six days you are to do your work, but on the seventh day you shall cease from labor in order that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your female slave, as well as your stranger, may refresh themselves."
3.(Exodus 31:15) - "For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death."
4.(Deuteronomy 5:12) - "Observe the sabbath day to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you."
5.(Leviticus 26:2) - "You shall keep My sabbaths and reverence My sanctuary; I am the Lord."

2. Don't keep the Sabbath
1.(Romans 14:5) - "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind."
2.(Colossians 2:16) - "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day."

It was the custom of the Jews to come together on the Sabbath, which is Saturday, cease work, and worship God. Of the 10 commandments listed in Exodus 20:1-17, only nine of them were re-instituted by in the New Testament. (Six in Matthew 19:18, murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, honor parents, and worshiping God; Romans 13:9, coveting. Worshiping God properly covers the first three commandments) The one that was not reaffirmed was the one about the Sabbath. Instead, Jesus said that He is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matt. 12:8).
In creation God rested on the seventh day. But, since God is all powerful, He doesn’t get tired. He doesn’t need to take a break and rest. So, why did does it say that He rested? The reason is simple: Mark 2:27 says, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." In other words, God established the Sabbath as a rest for His people, not because He needed a break, but because we are mortal and need a time of rest, of focus on God. In this, our spirits and bodies are both renewed.
The O.T. system of Law required keeping the Sabbath as part of the overall moral, legal, and sacrificial system by which the Jewish people satisfied God’s requirements for behavior, government, and forgiveness of sins. The Sabbath was part of the Law in that sense. In order to "remain" in favor with God, you had to also keep the Sabbath. If it was not kept, then the person was in sin and would often be punished (Ezekiel 18:4; Rom. 6:23; Deut. 13:1-9; Num. 35:31; Lev. 20:2, etc.).
But with Jesus’ atonement, and justification by faith (Rom. 5:1), we no longer are required to keep the Law and hence the Sabbath which was only a shadow of things to come (Col. 2:16-17). We are not under Law, but grace (Rom. 6:14-15). The Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus because in Him we have rest (Matt. 11:28). We are not under obligation to keep the Law and this goes for the Sabbath as well.


Watcher
Why do we worship on Sunday
instead of Saturday?

In the Old Testament, God stated, "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you," (Exodus 20:8-10, NASB). It was the custom of the Jews to come together on the Sabbath, which is Saturday, cease work, and worship God. Jesus went to the synagogue on Saturday to teach (Matt. 12:9, John 18:20) as did the apostle Paul (Acts 17:2; 18:4; ). So, if in the Old Testament we are commanded to keep the Sabbath and in the New Testament we see Jews, Jesus, and the apostles doing the same thing, then why do we worship on Sunday?
First of all, of the 10 commandments listed in Exodus 20:1-17, only 9 of them were reinstituted by in the New Testament: (six in Matt. 19:18, murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, honor parents, and worshiping God; Rom. 13:9, coveting. Worshiping God properly covers the first three commandments) The one that was not reaffirmed was the one about the Sabbath. Instead, Jesus said that He is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matt. 12:8).
In creation God rested on the seventh day. But, since God is all powerful, He doesn’t get tired. He doesn’t need to take a break and rest. So, why did does it say that He rested? The reason is simple: Mark 2:27 says, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." In other words, God established the Sabbath as a rest for His people, not because He needed a break, but because we are mortal and need a time of rest, of focus on God. In this, our spirits and bodies are both renewed.
The Old Testament system of Law required keeping the Sabbath as part of the overall moral, legal, and sacrificial system by which the Jewish people satisfied God’s requirements for behavior, government, and forgiveness of sins. The Sabbath was part of the Law in that sense. In order to "remain" in favor with God, you had to also keep the Sabbath. If it was not kept, then the person was in sin and would often be punished (Ezekiel 18:4; Rom. 6:23; Deut. 13:1-9; Num. 35:31; Lev. 20:2, etc.).
But with Jesus’ atonement, we no longer are required to keep the Law. We are not under Law, but grace (Rom. 6:14-15). The Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus. He is our rest. We are not under obligation, by Law, to keep it and this goes for the Sabbath as well. It is not a requirement that we keep the Sabbath. If it were, then we would still be under the Law. But, we are not.

Evidence of the Change of Days can be Seen in the NT

Within the New Testament is ample evidence that the seventh day Sabbath is no longer a requirement.

* Rom. 14:5-6, "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."

The entire section of Rom. 14:1-12 is worth careful study. Nevertheless, the instructions here are that individuals must be convinced in their own minds about which day they observe for the Lord. If the seventh day Sabbath were a requirement, then the choice would not be mans’, but God’s.

* Col. 2:16-17, "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

Notice here that time sequence mentioned. A festival is yearly. A new moon is monthly. A Sabbath is weekly. No one is to judge in regard to this. The Sabbath is defined as a shadow, the reality is Jesus. Jesus is our Sabbath.

* Acts 20:7, "And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight."

The first day of the week is Sunday and this is the day the people gathered. This passage can easily be seen as the church meeting on Sunday. It has two important church functions within it: breaking bread (communion) and a message (preaching). Additionally, Luke did not use the Jewish system of counting days: sundown to sundown. He used the Roman system: midnight to midnight. This is a subtle point that shows the Jewish Sabbath system was not the one utilized by Luke.

* 1 Cor. 16:1-2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2 On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come."

Notice here that Paul is directing the churches to meet on the first day of each week and put money aside. It would seem that this is tithing. So, the instructed time for the church to meet is Sunday. Is this an official worship day set up by the church? You decide.

* Rev. 1:10-11, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, 11saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

The New Bible Dictionary says regarding the term, ‘The Lord’s Day’ in Revelation 1:10: "This is the first extant occurrence in Christian literature of heµ kyriakeµ heµmera. The adjectival construction suggests that it was a formal designation of the church’s worship day. As such it certainly appears early in the 2nd century (Ignatius, Epistle to the Magnesians, 1. 67).
In many churches today, the term "The Lord’s Day" is used to designate Sunday, the same as it was in the second century.

I hope this is evidence enough to show you that the Bible does not require that we worship on Saturday. If anything, we have the freedom (Rom. 14:1-12) to worship on the day that we believe we should. And, we no one should judge us in regard to the day we keep. We are free in Christ, not under law (Rom. 6:14).

Does the Bible allow Christians to
worship on Sunday?

In the Old Testament, God stated, "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you," (Exodus 20:8-10, NASB). It was the custom of the Jews to come together on the Sabbath, which is Saturday, cease work, and worship God. Jesus went to the synagogue on Saturday to teach (Matt. 12:9; John 18:20) as did the apostle Paul (Acts 17:2; 18:4). So, if in the Old Testament we are commanded to keep the Sabbath and in the New Testament we see Jews, Jesus, and the apostles doing the same thing, then why do we worship on Sunday?

First of all, of the 10 commandments listed in Exodus 20:1-17, only 9 of them were restated in the New Testament. (Six in Matt. 19:18, murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, honor parents, and worshiping God; Rom. 13:9, coveting. Worshiping God properly covers the first three commandments) The one that was not reaffirmed was the one about the Sabbath. Instead, Jesus said that He is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matt. 12:8).

In creation, God rested on the seventh day. But, since God is all powerful, He doesn’t get tired. He doesn’t need to take a break and rest. So, why did does it say that He rested? The reason is simple: Mark 2:27 says, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." In other words, God established the Sabbath as a rest for His people, not because He needed a break, but because we are mortal and need a time of rest, of focus on God. In this, our spirits and bodies are both renewed.

The OT system of Law required keeping the Sabbath as part of the overall moral, legal, and sacrificial system by which the Jewish people satisfied God’s requirements for behavior, government, and forgiveness of sins. The Sabbath was part of the Law in that sense. In order to "remain" in favor with God, you had to also keep the Sabbath. If it was not kept, then the person was in sin and would often be punished (Ezek. 18:4; Rom. 6:23; Deut. 13:1-9; Num. 35:31; Lev. 20:2, etc.).

But with Jesus’ atonement, we no longer are required to keep the Law as a means for our justification. The requirements of the Law were fulfilled in Christ. We now have rest from the Law. We now have "Sabbath", continually.
Are we free to worship on Sunday?

Within the New Testament is ample evidence that the seventh day Sabbath is no longer a requirement.

"One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God," (Rom. 14:5-6).

The entire section of Rom. 14:1-12 is worth careful study. The instructions here are that individuals must be convinced in their own minds about which day they observe for the Lord. If the seventh day Sabbath were a requirement, then the choice would not be mans’, but God’s. To me, this verse is sufficient to answer the question beyond doubt. Furthermore,

"Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." (Col. 2:16-17).

Notice the time sequence mentioned in Col. 2:16-17 above. A festival is yearly. A new moon is monthly. A Sabbath is weekly. No one is to judge in regard to this. The Sabbath is defined as a shadow, the reality is Jesus. Jesus is our Sabbath. So, if someone is judging you because you worship on the Sabbath, they are wrong. Likewise, if you regard Sunday above Saturday (Rom. 14:5-6), all you need to do is be convinced in your own mind that that is alright. Is there any evidence in the NT that Christians met on Sunday?

"And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight," (Acts 20:7).

The first day of the week is Sunday and this is the day the people gathered. This passage can easily be seen as the church meeting on Sunday, though it does not necessitate it. It has two important church functions within it: breaking bread (communion) and a message (preaching/teaching). Additionally, Luke included the Roman system as well as the Jewish system of counting days. The Jewish system was sundown to sundown. But Luke also used the Roman system: midnight to midnight (Luke 11:5; Acts 16:25; 20:7; 27:27). This is a subtle point that shows the Jewish Sabbath system was not exclusively used by Luke. If the Sabbath was mandatory, why the use of the non-Jewish system?

"Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come," (1 Cor. 16:1-2).

Notice here that Paul is directing the churches to meet on the first day of each week and put money aside. It would seem that this is tithing. So, the instructed time for the church to meet is Sunday, the first day of the week and it is that day the Galatians were to set money aside collections. Is this an official worship day set up by the church? You decide. Does this verse apply to Christians today? It most certainly does.

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, 11saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea," (Revelation 1:10-11).

The New Bible Dictionary says regarding the term, ‘The Lord’s Day’ in Rev. 1:10: "This is the first extant occurrence in Christian literature of "te kuriake hemera." The adjectival construction suggests that it was a formal designation of the church’s worship day. As such it certainly appears early in the 2nd century" (Ignatius, Epistle to the Magnesians, 1. 67).

In many churches today, the term "The Lord’s Day" is used to designate Sunday, the same as it was in the second century.

I hope this is evidence enough to show you that the Bible does not require that we worship on Saturday. If anything, we have the freedom (Rom. 14:1-12) to worship on the day that we believe we should. And, no one should judge us in regard to the day we keep. We are free in Christ and not under law, (Rom. 6:14).

Conclusion

The Seventh Day Adventists have every right to worship on the Sabbath and they should if they are convinced that is the right thing to do. However, if any member of any church were to require a person to worship on the Sabbath as a sign of "true" Christianity or "true" redemption, then that is wrong. According to Rom. 14:1-12, we are free.

Additionally, Sunday is the day that the Lord Jesus rose from the dead. The Jewish people who had rejected Jesus continued to worship on Saturday, the Sabbath. But it was the Christians who celebrated Jesus' resurrection and this was most probably the driving force to gather on the first day of the week.
ozell


Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Seventh) Day. At no time did he command us to meet on the first day of the week (Sunday). Nor did he instruct us that everyday is the Sabbath Day. God has not changed his mind!

The Sabbath Day is significantly important to God's plan for man's salvation. It sets His people apart (sanctified)! The commandments of God Almighty have not been made void by nailing them to the cross.

NOR BY ANY EVENT RECORDED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT!!!

Thus Saith The Lord:
Genesis 2:

[2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested the seventh day from all his work which he had made.


Exodus 20:

[10] But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God; in it thou shalt not do no work, thou, nor thy son, thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.

[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


Exodus 23:

[12] Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest; that thine ox and thine --- may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, my be refreshed.


Acts 15:

[21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.


Acts 17:


[2] And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.
Watcher
If God does not change His mind then why do we not sacrifice animals anymore? Because Jesus fulfilled the law. Look at the commandments that came from Christ mouth. As I have said before the sabbath is not mentioned.

Ozell brother listen to yourself
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The Sabbath Day is significantly important to God's plan for man's salvation. It sets His people apart (sanctified)! The commandments of God Almighty have not been made void by nailing them to the cross.


My dear friend days of the week, rituals, sabbaths or holy days do not set us apart. By saying this you are telling me that it is actions that save and not faith in Christ. It is Christ that lives in us that sanctify us and sets us apart from the world. We can not gain salvation through our works. Again Romans 4 Abraham was justified and found rightous because he was faithful not because he was under the law.

The Jews first then the gentiles. The Jews always went to the synagogues on saturday it would make since to preach there first since the Jews first then the Gentiles.

Acts 15:

[21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

You take the verse out of context my brother

Acts 15

1And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

12Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

22Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chose