Are there any medical interventions that are immoral and sinful?

The Serenity Prayer

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

The Serenity Prayer.

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.

assisted suicide?

I don't think the Lord would like that much...but I'm not sure. Never really thought about that.

I know the Lord has been working heavily on my faith in His provisions. I would think that once I've become totally obedient to depending on His provisions for everything and then I stepped backwards and depended on man's ways then yes, maybe it would be sinful then. Still, just my opinion because I'm not sure.

The weigh scale!

Oh yes, those evil scales!!!! Ha ha..they should all be sent to the bottom of the ocean!

pointus,

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Are there any medical interventions that are immoral and sinful?

Sex-change operations.

VACCINATION = 666

US SCIENTISTS BACK AUTISM LINK TO MMR

The measles virus has been found in the guts of children with a form of autism, renewing fears over the safety of the MMR jab.

American researchers have revealed that 85 per cent of samples taken from autistic children with bowel disorders contain the virus. The strain is the same as the one used in the measles, mumps and rubella triple vaccine.

The findings will spark fresh concern about MMR, because they back theories of a causal link between the jab, autism and painful gut disorders suffered by a number of autistic children.

MORE:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/main.jht...5/29/wmmr28.xml

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/vaccine_awareness.html

scientifical experiments trying to bring in new medicens and then saying we know better and dont need to turn to god


abortion


women and men having implants to improve their body and the way they look




God bless from damo

I hope you don't mean that using modern medicines is "wrong" somehow, and that prayer should be the only treatment. That kind of thinking killed millions in the Dark Ages.
I've never seen anything in the Bible about assisted suicide, and I'm not particulary fond of it, but there are certain conditions that if inflicted on me would cause me to wish for death, such as being "locked in"(horrifying condition caused when the arms, legs, genitals, eyes, ears, nose, and tounge are destroyed, but the patient's mine continues functioning before descending into madness).

The New Covenant is not a set of rules but the laws of God written on your conscience so what is right to me, may not be right to you.

But the Bible says 'whatever is not faith is sin."

You have a conscience too and if you listen to it- you will hear/feel when you are doing wrong...unless you ignore it over and over and then it will
become hardened.

so do you support what science is doing today ? do you support cloning and do you support the idea were animals are used to better the way humans live out their lives


go back to the old testament and re read the old testament who was it that was looking after the people when ever david came before god god responded look at what god did with joseph



some medicens are harmfull but they dont tell the patients this my son from my previouse relationship for example he is autistic and the medication they had him on did not help him one bit at all know i am having to track him down i am dealing with red tape due to my son having his mothers last name all i heard he tried to kill his grandmother then he tried to poison his own mother

kids that have ADD and people who have mental issues the medicen they take just makes them worse

my old church i moved from was the only one that took on people with mental problems no other church in this farming community would take them on my old pastor was the head ceo for mental health before he took the role on as full time pastor


also the church i was a member of trains leadeers and pastors so they do not judge the ones who are comming threw mental health


i have seen were prayer has worked and when i was in the philippines i saw god do things you would not normaly see in your part of the world you live or in my part of the world i live in

why do you doubt what gods word says concerning what i put up in my post

science has gone out of its way to prove that god does not exist the big bang for example many believe what darwin had to say concerning what he jotted down darwin went out of his way to prove that what we see with our eyes could not have been created by god

so why is it ok for humans to have sex changes god gave us our bodies why make improvement on our bodies ?

when we die we go back to the ground we came from


i prayed for two farmers with bad back problems the medicens they were on did not help them these poor guys worked hard and ignored the pain

even there own drs are dumb founded by what god had done in these two farmers lives


i tend not to listen to what science has to say or do i support the new medicens that are sold in our chemists

i am not against the medicen that we need but i tend to read between the lines that way i know what my son is taking as i have two boys i also go over the scripts i get just to make sure i am given the right medication if i fall sick the flue shots dont work at all but many pay a fair bit to have the flue shots to prottect them from getting sick give me some credit before jumping the gun and judging what i origonaly said the op has a carnal mind he does not think like we do


that is why i left my origonal responce short and to the point

god bless from damo

Agreeing, big time!

I come from a big family, all but one of us had taken shots altogether at one place, and just days later, showwed sighs of behavor changes. This is true, my husband and I have made our mind up after much prayer and fasting about it, reading all into these things, have seen this not to be good at all. So, our children will not have these kinds of shot. We have gotten a big time fight on our hands from some family, because of needing to conrol what we do. so, we dont talk to most of theres, I find those that have proublems with keeping from, are those that have a problem with everything that isnt the way the do it. I trust in G-d to keep us well, looking into ways to keep us in good health, and teach my child the ways to keep from getting sick. I find she is sick less than most other kinds her age. There are many now at our church that are starting to think about keeping their kids from any more shots seeing a rise all around them of things happening to their kids after the shots are given.

Hugs!

I think that god does provide in the form of modern medical technology. Here's a rather relavent old story about that:
A devout man is sitting in his house when a flood begins. It is at his doorsteps when a woman in a pickup drives by.
"Hey Pal, need a lift?" She said.
"No, God will provide." said the man.
An hour later, and he was on the second floor of his house. A police officer in a boat came by.
"Sir, we need to evacuate immediatly."
"I'm alright, God said he will provide."
2 hours later, and he was on the roof. A boy on a raft floated by.
"Do you want to come with me?"
"Nope, God's gonna take care of me."
3 hours later, and he's sitting on the chimney. A Coast Guard chopper hovers overhead.
"Sir, stay still, we can get you out of here and to a hospital!"
"God promised he would provide, so I'm stayin' put."
30 minutes later, he drowned. When he entered Heaven, the very mad man ran toward the throne of god and said:
"Whatever happened to "God will provide!?!"
"I SENT YOU A TRUCK, TWO BOATS AND A CHOPPER. WHAT MORE DID YOU WANT?"

For every 10 studies that say that 'a' causes 'b' there are 10 studies that say 'a' doesn't cause 'b'......

We're not even clear on what exactly causes cancer....

As per the vaccination = 666 and causes autism, I'm autistic, and I don't think it has to do with that.

Autism is pre-determined at birth.


This is not at all what he is saying. Go back and rereasd his post before making another attempt to reply.

I think that God's way of answering prayers for recovery and health may be through the advances in medical treatment being discovered.
For example, if you pray to survive complications caused by a infectious disease, and a doctor offers a surgical procedure that might do the trick, it could have been God's way of answering your prayers.
Here's another. You're trapped in a well, and pray to God for rescue, and believe that God responded by saying that you will be rescued. A man comes along, sees you, and tosses you the end of a rope. It's just as much an answer to your prayer as magically floating out.
And as for cloning, the primitive techniques currently employed are more akin to artificial insemination than what is seen in science-fiction, but I'm sure that God would treat a clone just as he would an identical twin: as a separate individual.
I don't like some of the more ghoulish uses for animals in research(aka testing bioweapons) but if it comes down between saving a rat's life or a human's, I'd rather lose the rat.

hay southernguy


i know what you are saying hear

if i pray and ask god to help me and he responds and sends some one to help me i put the hand out with out questioning god i also see where god works threw our drs and i tend to trust that these drs know what they are doing even though sometimes mistakes are made were people who end up in surgery end up with the medical instruments the drs use for example a patient in sydney had x rays done and to the patiensts supprise the x rays showed what looked like a surgical knife the dr used to cut into the flesh


i have done some re search and to my shock i was saddened to how animals are used to were we can live out healthy lives

i feel for the rats and the mice and the monkeys and the pigs and other animals that are used

i thought why cant these guys do this with out harming an animal they have feelings to


i am still searching for my first child from my previouse relationship southern guy i have enough evidence to prove that it was the medication that made my son loose it to where he tried to kill his grandmother and when his own mother took him back to how he tried to poison her

i have seen where they have found a way to help kids who have autisem the medication my son was on it was making him worse even thogh they said this wil help him function

i am know left with a big task southern guy al i have is gods promiss to me that mark wil be ok and that he has his hands on mark mark is 16yrs old but has the capasity of a 14yr old

last i heard he could be up for murder i was told a 13yr old girl was raped and murdered the police are looking for a boy around my sons age i am know praying that god puts christians in his path his mother wil not tell me who mark is hanging out with his grandmother will not even talk to me the person who contacted me was a close family friend


i tend to read the medication that is given to my other boy i have two boys when ethan was born we had to send him to a place called the door center the door center helped ethan as ethan could not talk and what the door center does is very good they helped ethan and i thanked the staff and the drs when ethan was two al he could do was point at what he wanted he could not speak like a normal 2yr old when he turned 4 my x wife said he is not communicating and we need proffesional help were i trusted god to heal ethan i came at god saying what is going on lord why are you avoiding me you know that i am depending on you please dont let me down please heal my son

it cost us a fair bit to put ethan threw their program but i can tel you it was worth it and god made sure we had the money


i have also seen this in the members that have stuck with the old church we have one lady who thinks that demons are after her everysunday she sits at the back and half way threw the service she wil get up and say there are 4 demons who are communicating with me my pastor told us not to judge her and when ever she would disrupt the service we would stop gather around her and pray for her and she would feel peace full we knew what medication she was taking if she did not have this she would not be able to function

as i said i am not against this but we need to also use the brian god has given us and read between the lines



God bless from damo

Yikes. That's a tough post to respond to. Pray about it, and hope for the best.

What about advances in medical treatment predicated on the theory of evolution. Is it god who is inspiring such advances?

pointus,

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What about advances in medical treatment predicated on the theory of evolution. Is it god who is inspiring such advances?

Name some of those advances. Besides, the Theory of Evolution is so "fluid" and undefined that it fits just about anything, and can thus predict just about anything. Originally, it "predicted" what was mockingly called, "junk DNA". Now, as more and more evidence is produced which indicates that all that so-called "junk DNA" actually serves an important function, evolutionists are back-tracking and claiming that the Theory of Evolution "predicted" it would have a function, claiming that "Natural Selection" just so happens to be a little more "selective" than evolutionists had previously thought.

Much of what passes for "predictions" in Evolution can just as well be "predicted" from a Creationist perspective, noting that there is very little functional difference in making such "predictions" between a Common Ancestry perspective and a Common Designer perspective. Although, it should be noted that the Theory of Evolution "predicted" a fair number of vestigial organs, while the Creationist perspective "predicted" few to no vestigial organs. In this respect, the Creationist perspective has proven far more accurate. (It should further be noted that vestigial organs, whether few or many, would not be evidence of Evolution - vestigial organs would merely be evidence of loss of function, which the Creationist perspective entirely accepts as evidence of the Fall.)

If it saves the lives of humans, who cares? Besides, it's completely possible that the Big Bang, Evolution, etc were how God created everything.

Southernguy,


What would you think of a (long-living) farmer who bought a bunch of cows and a pack of wolves, and set them on his large ranch, hoping that over a long period of time their predator-prey interplay would result in a better and more fit herd of cows? I would say he was both incredibly inefficient (implying stupidity), and cruel. The same could be said of an omnipotent God Who would use Evolution to create life.

And, you might enjoy reading the book, "Dismantling the Big Bang". There are quite solid scientific reasons for rejecting the "Big Bang", some of which I can list later today or tomorrow.

Hi Peacemaker


Death By Lethal Vaccine Injection

Laura's Story:

http://drbenkim.com/articles-vaccine-infection.htm


THE TRUTH ABOUT VACCINES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELx2eX_kM-w

Vaccines are EVIL

And I agree, abortion (if by choice) is also sinful.

I may need more time to think of more...

I read that some people in ERs that have no medical insurance or limited insurance are not taken first due to the fact that hospitals are on a profit system, and I think it's sinful that a hospital would not treat everyone the same. There was a woman who was sitting in a chair with some problem she came in with, but because she wasn't high on the insurance list, she sat for so long that she died of a blood clot in her legs, and nobody even helped her. The hospitals admitted they do this in ER due to the higher paying 'sickies'... that's a SIN. Everyone has the right to medical treatment...insurance or not.. and not put on the back burner until they die.

You left out a word. You left out 'of' before faith.

Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

I don't know if that changed the argument, but the biblical definition of faith is 'evidence of things not seen.' You cannot say that evidence of things not seen is righteousness. When you speak of medical procedures, the physician is the one that hopes his procedure works and you are at the mercy of the faith of the physician.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

If you do not have faith that the medical procedures will work, does that in any way make the chances of it working less?

I think you having the faith that you will get well determines the result of the actions of the doctor. If you go into surgery thinking that the surgery will not work does not control the surgery. Once you enter the cutting room, the faith then is controlled by the surgeon. But the faith in the Doctor cannot be transferred to the Pharmaceutical practicioner, the 'pusher.' That is where false faith lies.



You haven't looked lately, have you? God may have thrown something in there that you haven't seen yet. What about the verse,'They will wish for death and it will flee.' Assisted suicide is the cure for that. Does that make it right? I think in a way it does. But, you see the devil is a saviour too; he just saves the flesh. Death is the deceiver. Does that mean that there is no death? My experience is, yes that's true.

I would think of him as being very idiotic, as you would require millions of years to have any effect on the over make-up of the cattle species. In the short-term, the cattle that stayed near the herd and helped eachother survive would live on to reproduce. Species can be molded/evolved through enviromental pressures and even artificial breeding, the best example of which is the dog.

There may be isolated cases like that, but for the most part, EVERYONE waits forever due to horrific overcrowding problems and the stranglehold on the number of new MDs a year that the AMA allows to be trained. Many charity hospitals exist as well, but a good rule of thumb is that if you wish to create a hospital, not to expect it as a profit-making venture but as a way of helping the community.


Sorry, but how are vaccines evil? They are either mild bugs so similar to a deadly condition that they cause immunity to both(injecting cowpox to vaccinate for smallpox), or viruses that have been disabled to the point that it is impossible to become infected by it, but there's enough to be immune.
The immune system works to some degree by analyzing attacks on the body by different microbes and forming a "memory" of the characteristics of the attacker, allowing the body to crank out the appropriate immune response to prevent illness if the disease is found again. The vaccine works by giving the cells the blueprints to the disease.
It's a bit like the difference between teaching someone to survive in the wild by:
1. Dropping them off untrained in a remote, dangerous wilderness alone.
or
2. Giving them instruction, knowledge, and survivial gear to help them if lost.


Could you clarify that somewhat? I do recall that verse as being a description of the anti-Christ's minions when a massive disaster occurs in Revalations to the city of New Babylon.

WORST COVER-UP IN THE HISTORY OF THE MILITARY: SECRET SHOTS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj7AN4fRe6s

I'd consider the testing of WMD's on US troops a tad worse than that.