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OneOfHisHandmaidens
This thread is designed as a place to work through...............talk out..............pray through........our misunderstandings.... hurt feelings... poor choice of words, etc.

Too many threads get derailed from the original INTENT of the thread. So, lets use this one to be the place to "take it to" instead of causing the focus of the OP to be lost.
OneOfHisHandmaidens
Now that the purpose of this thread is clearly stated, I would like to "voice" a few thoughts that I have had in regards to the most recent cause of much ill-will and such in the past few days.

I am VERY saddened by the fact that ONE individual has caused so much dissention, bickering and bitterness. ONE person at the center of all of this. This person has been causing so much damage and distraction from the "call of a TRUE follower of Jesus".

It has been noted that this person not only states their "judgment" upon America.........but also seems to take delight in it...or gloating....and even to go so far as to make it "appear" that she has some "direct" connection with God to make it happen. She has stated that she refuses to pray for California and then said she would pray for one particular person in CA. How is that Christ-like? There is NO misunderstanding of "English" here. It was very clearly stated.

When this same person asks the question regarding some recent new members....and says "who are these clowns"??? How is it possible to misunderstand those words??


I don't have any answers to this issue/problem. All I wanted to do was state some VERY obvious comments that many of us have read and say.... I can't see how I've misunderstood the use of her words.

I have watched for quite awhile....as this person has belittled other members repeatedly. This place becomes a very unfriendly and unwelcoming environment for newcomers............and even for those of us who have been here over the past year(s).

It is a VERY sad state of affairs that ONE individual can cause such havoc.

As for me.................I am going to CONTINUE in prayer.............FOR....ALL THE MODERATORS..........ALL THE VICTIMS....ALL THOSE WITH HURT FEELINGS........ALL THOSE WHO DON'T EVEN KNOW what has caused all this.................and....I am praying for this individual.....who sees themselves as a victim, too. As too often it happens..........victims lash out from their pain. I can not begin to understand why this happens.....Its just a something we seen as a repeating pattern.

I am also praying for PEACE!!!! PEACE IN OUR HEARTS...............PEACE IN OUR LIVES...............and PEACE ON THIS FORUM!!!


GOD BE WITH US ALL!!! AMEN!!
Miki
Lots of people have mental and emotional problems and it's best to not engage but pray.

You aren't a counselor. The Holy Spirit is. Let it go.
IrishRose
Nancy.. first and foremost, what a great idea to start a thread to clear the air! Thank you!!

Second, I have to agree that we'll just have to pray. The moderators apparently don't want to do much about it... and would welcome her back with open arms... even though she has gone around the system to get back in and start the strife again, and her intent is to cause division... so we all stay united and she will not divide us on the forum. If she's back in, so be it, we can't do anything about it, we're not moderators.

Lisa,

You gave an analogy yesterday about 'WWJD' if a man snuck into a church after being put out, would he let him in? I gave you an analogy back. You disagreed and were contentious with me. I can't make you agree... but the fact of the matter is, there ARE RULES in this world in which to live by (not to mention GOD's RULES) as well as RULES LISTED at the very top of this forum and you have to AGREE TO THESE RULES before you register. This was obviously overlooked because hey, this is a Christian forum, let's ignore the rules and give someone who has been in "time out" a break.

If the rules that are in our schools were broken, would the administration look the other way if someone came in with a weapon and say, "Nice GUN you have there, go right into the classrooms and have a field day"? Would someone who was put in jail on an infraction or felony and then broke out of jail be given the red carpet treatment from the police or would there be an all out search for this person to get him back in prison?? Third analogy, if your child went out to play, and a bunch of bullies ganged up on YOUR child, while other children and even adults just looked away and ignored your son who was getting the stuff kicked out of him, would you, as a mother, take your child's side and take it up with the bully's parents or would you side with the bully who beat the crud out of your kid and also the ones that ignored it, laughing about it while your child cries? You may not think these are legitimate analogies, but this IS the real world, not tv.

That being said, to me it just doesn't make sense, but I'm not a moderator and I don't own the forum. I am just one of many voicing my opinion that this is not the correct way to show the people that are just coming on the forum that this forum is where RULSE are broken and are MADE to be broken because people will just keep on getting away with their sarcastic and hurting remarks (and they ARE).. while others look away and not come to their aid.

If this is how the forum is going to be, then why even have one? There is more strife and conflict on this one than on any I have ever been on in my life, even a forum I participate in (art forum).. there has NEVER EVER IN THE 5 years I've been on it, anyone that has ever said a nasty word, EVER! The non-Christians are rule followers more than the CHRISTIANS! Hardly anyone obeys rules now, when they used to, and what an example to show Christians that come here for refuge? Our belief system says, "It's okay... the Bible might say LOVE one another, but you can pick them apart if you like, spit on them, abuse them, and if we call you out on it and need to put you in a time out, then you can lie and find a way of getting around the system by getting another screen name and we'll love you back on, no problem. Enjoy your time in our 'breaking the rules' CHRISTIAN forum. Don't worry about the 10 commandments ... don't worry about the main two commandments of the NT, and even feel free to disagree with all the Scriptures,.. after all, they are only GOD'S WORDS. We will let you do what you want. NO RULES. Have a nice day."

I'm sorry, but my opinion here, and this is what appears to be the case.

I HAVE apologized and I am not apologizing any more. If Justice is back, then she's back. It's not my call. But we also do know we have an ignore, block, and report button available... not that the report will do anything, but we still can ignore and block.

Thanks for listening. I think what has gone on for months here without any moderation or discipline is a crime. There is just no reason why on other forums if this happened you'd be out for good. But let's just all SHOW THE LOVE and let others get away with anything they want? Okay.. that makes real good sense. I just don't see the point anymore. Why have any rules to live by? Let Iran just keep getting away with their nuclear program until they blow up Israel and the terrorists take over the world. They are to be loved, even if they are our enemies... come on, draw the line. We all have to know where we stand. The moderators are waffling and don't let us know a thing, just be assured, they are taking care of things. wink.gif

Have a nice day all, no more contentiousness from me.. I am finished with posting about this stuff. Justice must feel very smug and proud that she is allowed back on with open arms. Talk about a sad day in the body of Christ. There is more love on an atheist site than a Christian one.. and that's the truth. Especially these days. I pray I have not offended anyone with this thread... I am all for peace on the forum and anyone that really knows me here knows that this is the TRUTH. I am not trying to hurt anyone, just stating the facts, and the facts are such that this is not the place it used to be... and the Lord needs to take care of the rest. I know HE WILL. smile.gif

Love and blessings, and don't throw stones at me because I have an opinion. Let he who is without sin cast the first one. I feel pretty safe.

Rose
Roxygal
It has nothing to do with the rules..nothing to do with you apologizing...nothing to do with that at all.

It has to do with forgiveness and the fact that you all can't let it go.

Stop taking jabs at a sister who cannot defend herself...that's all I'm saying. But you all keep talking in huge circles about everthing else EXCEPT what I'm saying.
IrishRose
Lisa, I do believe you have your own thread. Please take it there. I have stopped posting in your area and frankly, your words are falling on deaf ears again. Remember, Jesus is working on this. Give it to Him.

And you are defending a person who IS defending herself.. look at the avatar, the hidden words in her messages.. her disrespectfulness in being able to come in secretly under another screen name... her disobedience. We may forgive in our hearts, but the punishment must still be served. We forgive murderers, child abusers, people that wrong us all the time. But does that not mean that people who break the rules don't have to be disciplined? You are making a mountain out of a molehill here... there are consequences for everything... and you just want to exonerate someone who you feel doesn't have to be punished because she didn't do anything wrong. That's taking up her cause. It's true and we all can see it. Pray about it, Lisa.. you are the only one here that is making this cause an issue. We forgive, okay. Her inability to obey rules should be something that has consequences. I'm sure, as a mother, (like you tell me), you can understand this. If your child hit you or spit at you, caused you great harm with their words, would you smile at them? Let them spit on you again? Or would you expect them to sit it out for a while and when they are ready to be KIND and CARING and LOVING... then they come back and you allow them to with open arms... forgiveness is then so sweet.

Please go back to your thread. We will try not to hijack yours if you will not hijack this one. Nancy has made some really good points, and we are not trying to fight, just statements of fact. You can't just smile and be lovey dovey to everyone. That's not the way of Christ either. He also got angry when there was disobedience and breaking the rules. You need to go back and read His Words. I think you are missing a lot of it.

Thank you, Lisa. Have a great day!
Roxygal
the only reason I posted here was because you addressed me.
IrishRose
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IrishRose
QUOTE (Roxygal @ Jul 30 2008, 10:30 AM) *
the only reason I posted here was because you addressed me.



I just sent you hear to READ for an explanation. smile.gif Read what I wrote again.

God bless you!
IrishRose
And this is read only for you Lisa, no response necessary smile.gif

Just a note: This all started up again because of the new screen name. There was finally a peace settling over the forum when it was announced that no more abusive posts would be allowed for a while. A sense of relief for all of us who have had to endure harmful comments that were forgiven and not reacted to. There was a sense of peace because someone who so willingly 'gave the stick' to so many (as she called it), finally got the stick herself. This is not shameful, it's a wake up call and reminder that we need to look back over our comments and sit it out, think about how we have spoken to people time and again, whilst everyone ignored or did not make a report or sound about it. When the realization occurs to the person in time out that what they did was truly wrong, and the repentance follows, then the forgiveness can flow. The reason this is all stirred up again is because she was allowed to come back under another name. You have not been on the side that ignored all the barbs and meanness. You have watched from the sidelines, and are also not taking up the cause for someone that you know is breaking rules and enjoying this fighting while she is basically the one who is supposed to be sitting it out and thinking about what she said. Do me a favor, Lisa.. and I mean this with all truth and honesty... pull up her old profile and read the posts... I will tell you I spent 1/2 hour yesterday and only got through 10 pages of them... and there were more than half that were abusive... while everyone held their tongue. That's more than anyone should have to take, especially a Christian forum. I really think if she didn't come back under another screen name things would be fine, but because she did, you can thank her for this. She is the reason why this is still going on. If she did her 'time' by taking the stick like she gave it to others, and came back with a TRUTHFUL apology to the board for her actions like many of us do... smile.gif, then it would be over. Instead, she came back deceptively under another name, which is a play on words, to vindicate the injustice that was placed on HER when SO MANY others had to endure her sarcastic remarks for months. Now, in all honesty, and SEARCH YOUR HEART.. tell me the punishment didn't fit the crime? And should still stand as there is more unrest on the forum due to her lying and deceiving? Does this make sense? No. But I am not a moderator... and the jabs you talk about? I don't see them. We are talking things through here, that's why YOU made the thread and NANCY did.. to discuss it. I don't see your discussion as having any forward progress, you just keep plugging for the victim to be exonerated. I'm so sorry that you feel offended by this, but if you were the one always on the other end of the "stick", you'd be the first one jumping on the report button. And Lisa, this is a fact. You can't resist! smile.gif

Laying it down, done for the day... have a glorious day in the Lord... may everyone be blessed and yes, may the fear and unsettled feeling that has once again crept in and permeated the forum, dissipate. May there still be peace in the land and may the Moderators be blessed by God and do the right thing when they search their hearts, read over the last 4 months of posts, realize that this person has now lied and deceived, and may they ask themselves, if they did that themselves, would they expect to be punished, or just jump right back in to do more damage. We had peace, now there is that neverending feeling that something is going to happen again, and it's very stressful.

And sorry for being so longwinded.., it's hard not to be... I was on the Debate Team in College. It's kind of become a part of who I am. But I side with the TRUTH. smile.gif Always.

Lord hear our PRAYERS! Amen and Amen!
Adeline
I keep hearing about forgiveness in the last couple of days but oddly the word repentence isn't mentioned as often. Repentence is turning away from the sin while being sorry for them. Justice isn't sorry for any of this mess. It's okay for her to give the stick to other posters (wham!) but when there is a consequence due to her bad actions than what are we to do? Cry and have a fit until such a time as she is allowed posting priviledges? Sorry, but her verbal stones thrown my way were meant to hurt and hurt they did. Justice did the crime now she must do the time.

No wander Justice has never grown up and taken responsibility for her crimes....always someone around to help her wear the "victim card," placed solidly on her back. Why can't people allow her to grow and become a survivor instead of always remaining stagnant in her "poor me," status.

AA steps to recovery requires guts that will lead to healling. Here are two steps that must be taken in order that healing take place:

Step 5- "Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs."
Step 8- "Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all."
Neal
QUOTE (OneOfHisHandmaidens @ Jul 30 2008, 01:37 AM) *
I am VERY saddened by the fact that ONE individual has caused so much dissention, bickering and bitterness. ONE person at the center of all of this. This person has been causing so much damage and distraction from the "call of a TRUE follower of Jesus".

It has been noted that this person not only states their "judgment" upon America.........but also seems to take delight in it...or gloating....and even to go so far as to make it "appear" that she has some "direct" connection with God to make it happen. She has stated that she refuses to pray for California and then said she would pray for one particular person in CA. How is that Christ-like? There is NO misunderstanding of "English" here. It was very clearly stated.

When this same person asks the question regarding some recent new members....and says "who are these clowns"??? How is it possible to misunderstand those words??


I don't have any answers to this issue/problem. All I wanted to do was state some VERY obvious comments that many of us have read and say.... I can't see how I've misunderstood the use of her words.

I have watched for quite awhile....as this person has belittled other members repeatedly. This place becomes a very unfriendly and unwelcoming environment for newcomers............and even for those of us who have been here over the past year(s).

It is a VERY sad state of affairs that ONE individual can cause such havoc.

As for me.................I am going to CONTINUE in prayer.............FOR....ALL THE MODERATORS..........ALL THE VICTIMS....ALL THOSE WITH HURT FEELINGS........ALL THOSE WHO DON'T EVEN KNOW what has caused all this.................and....I am praying for this individual.....who sees themselves as a victim, too. As too often it happens..........victims lash out from their pain. I can not begin to understand why this happens.....Its just a something we seen as a repeating pattern.

I am also praying for PEACE!!!! PEACE IN OUR HEARTS...............PEACE IN OUR LIVES...............and PEACE ON THIS FORUM!!!


GOD BE WITH US ALL!!! AMEN!!

Yes, we know. Pointus has caused a lot of drama in the forums. Dedicating a thread to him is making him too important. wink.gif
IrishRose
Sorry you have Drama too, Neal, praying for you!

And maybe Neal, you have a point.. maybe Justice is enjoying getting a big head over all this talk about her. Could actually be feeding her flames. Oy! I hope not!
IrishRose
Just another note:

GOD IS ALL OVER ME TODAY!!!

I went to the store, a quick run to get my kids some lunch... and took the back route to a different store because it was closer. The speed limit on this road is 35 and nobody abides by it... and I passed this car on the side of the road, was even going to stop and ask him if all was alright (which I sometimes do), but kept on going as I left my kids by themselves and don't like to do that too much (even though one is nearly 14).

Anyway, soon comes the flashing lights behind me. It was an unmarked police car that I passed! He pulled me over and cited me for going 9 miles over the 35 mph speed limit! The ticket was $107 dollars! Also, this is the first time in AGES I did not wear a seat belt since the store was soooo close! He cited me for that, another $95 dollars. All have to be paid within a month and also reported to my insurance. Did I cry and whimper at the cop about giving me a break and ask him to show me love and forgiveness for breaking the law? NO! I got my just desserts, speeding ticket and a no tolerance seat belt law fine! I didn't go overboard, make excuses, tell him that I NEVER speed, this is the first time ever, or try to wheedle my way out of a ticket. I took it like I should have. I realized that I broke the law, even though I wasn't paying attention and the police officer was just doing his job. It's called FOLLOWING THE RULES. I am HAPPY to pay these tickets because this was a HUGE lesson for me... that we all are not above the law... I didn't ask the policeman if he was a Christian and WWJD. I just took it because I knew I was wrong. I didn't ask him over for dinner to make him stop writing the ticket. I knew I did wrong. I am paying for it now (literally) and just showing you that what pertains to the real world pertains to the forum. Rules are rules, they are broken, you pay. I am actually GLAD that happened, God's timing is ever so perfect, and just showed me that what I was teaching you here was true. These things are meant for a reason. To try to work around it is not the way. Pay the price, move on. I DID APOLOGIZE too. That's something that you hardly hear when an officer pulls you over. I told him THANK YOU as well, and I also recognized that I had been going faster than the speed limit (I could have argued that it was ONLY 9 miles over the limit going from 35 to 44, but no matter, I was STILL SPEEDING!) I didn't. I pay, I broke the rules. May everyone learn from my lesson today that these things happen everywhere and this forum is not immune.

Thank you for letting me share this story, and I REJOICE for having to pay these fines! The LORD IS GOOD AND IS THE BEST TEACHER OF ALL!

AMEN! Smile! God loves you!
Roxygal
It has nothing to do with the rules..nothing to do with you apologizing...nothing to do with that at all.

It has to do with forgiveness and the fact that you all can't let it go.

Stop taking jabs at a sister who cannot defend herself...that's all I'm saying. But you all keep talking in huge circles about everthing else EXCEPT what I'm saying.


and..you didn't tell me to come here to this thread. You addressed me in this thread.

This has nothing to do if you think Justice is here or not either....

YOU ALL KEEP TAKING JABS AT HER. And you know who it is doing it too.

Are you compassionate enough to let her heal too or not?

Maz
QUOTE (IrishRose @ Jul 30 2008, 10:17 AM) *
Just another note:

GOD IS ALL OVER ME TODAY!!!

I went to the store, a quick run to get my kids some lunch... and took the back route to a different store because it was closer. The speed limit on this road is 35 and nobody abides by it... and I passed this car on the side of the road, was even going to stop and ask him if all was alright (which I sometimes do), but kept on going as I left my kids by themselves and don't like to do that too much (even though one is nearly 14).

Anyway, soon comes the flashing lights behind me. It was an unmarked police car that I passed! He pulled me over and cited me for going 9 miles over the 35 mph speed limit! The ticket was $107 dollars! Also, this is the first time in AGES I did not wear a seat belt since the store was soooo close! He cited me for that, another $95 dollars. All have to be paid within a month and also reported to my insurance. Did I cry and whimper at the cop about giving me a break and ask him to show me love and forgiveness for breaking the law? NO! I got my just desserts, speeding ticket and a no tolerance seat belt law fine! I didn't go overboard, make excuses, tell him that I NEVER speed, this is the first time ever, or try to wheedle my way out of a ticket. I took it like I should have. I realized that I broke the law, even though I wasn't paying attention and the police officer was just doing his job. It's called FOLLOWING THE RULES. I am HAPPY to pay these tickets because this was a HUGE lesson for me... that we all are not above the law... I didn't ask the policeman if he was a Christian and WWJD. I just took it because I knew I was wrong. I didn't ask him over for dinner to make him stop writing the ticket. I knew I did wrong. I am paying for it now (literally) and just showing you that what pertains to the real world pertains to the forum. Rules are rules, they are broken, you pay. I am actually GLAD that happened, God's timing is ever so perfect, and just showed me that what I was teaching you here was true. These things are meant for a reason. To try to work around it is not the way. Pay the price, move on. I DID APOLOGIZE too. That's something that you hardly hear when an officer pulls you over. I told him THANK YOU as well, and I also recognized that I had been going faster than the speed limit (I could have argued that it was ONLY 9 miles over the limit going from 35 to 44, but no matter, I was STILL SPEEDING!) I didn't. I pay, I broke the rules. May everyone learn from my lesson today that these things happen everywhere and this forum is not immune.

Thank you for letting me share this story, and I REJOICE for having to pay these fines! The LORD IS GOOD AND IS THE BEST TEACHER OF ALL!

AMEN! Smile! God loves you!

All of this speaks as a true and real life lesson...it is a demonstration of the Spirit that smacks of how sin has consequences. Arguing the fact does not change the outcome. I would say that anyone who has sped through this time with their seatbelts undone have had a ticket written that must be paid in full. Jesus would be willing to rip it up but only if an admission of guilt is made. He is like that. I should expect that God uses others to reveal us to ourselves. As time goes on we will suffer many injustices in the name of justice. Pun intended. For there will be repeats with different faces scorning different motivations for and against the ever present desire to look and sound approved of men. I dislike justice for who she represents in my carnal mind but I see her as a catalyst for growth in righteousness. One cannot grow until one realizes the need to grow. I have been demoralized by the same sort of fleshly mutilations many times over and yet I still need to learn to be kind to my oppresors. Until I do I suspect I shall be turned over to the tormentors.

Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Neal
We have no idea if she's sorry or not about making the death threats. We can only assume she is.
IrishRose
QUOTE (Roxygal @ Jul 30 2008, 02:35 PM) *
It has nothing to do with the rules..nothing to do with you apologizing...nothing to do with that at all.

It has to do with forgiveness and the fact that you all can't let it go.

Stop taking jabs at a sister who cannot defend herself...that's all I'm saying. But you all keep talking in huge circles about everthing else EXCEPT what I'm saying.


and..you didn't tell me to come here to this thread. You addressed me in this thread.

This has nothing to do if you think Justice is here or not either....

YOU ALL KEEP TAKING JABS AT HER. And you know who it is doing it too.

Are you compassionate enough to let her heal too or not?


Maz, first of all... thank you for your wise post... there is a great message in there! 1dsz5e4.gif

Lisa... WHO can't let it go? And I will ignore that fact that you are getting technical. I forgive you. So, come on, take a look in the mirror and see who will not let go! Your pleas are like a broken record with the continuous use of the word JABS. There are no "jabs" that are being given out from here that haven't already been given out 100 fold already for the last 4 months. Please give it a rest. AND IT IS about the RULES and THINKING about what to do to make it right with the Body of Christ. I'm sorry but this is really the way it is. You are crying 'poor justice the victim' again and it's getting really tiring. We all know your message, it's now permanently ingrained in our brains, like a cow brand. Thank you once again for telling us what you think but by now we already know. God bless! Again, PEACE be with ya and HAVE A NICE and SMILY day! smile.gif Compassion.. yes, I have that.. let her heal by sitting it out. That's how everything heals, wounds heal by letting them rest. REST! Your wound will heal too! smile.gif

Oh, and may I invite you to a thread I started called "A Rainbow in my Pocket... Encouragement"... the songs will make you smile. smile.gif
Maz
I should think that anyone as caustic as justice ought to be up to the challenge of self defense. I submit she has taken her stand from a point of issue with anyone who is at odds with her brand of Christian vigilanteism and as such is well aware of the cost of such an approach as respecting being called into question. I have noticed this type of poster usually has an ignominious end. Rightly or wrongly. Judgment of such is in the eye of the beholder. A man I just met here in Bonaire had his arm seriously bitten and infected by a stray dog he was trying to help. It seems to be a thing that happens. Even with people. That dog did not know someone was trying to help. Hence it was a fear biter. People get hurt for no good reason. And the dog still goes limping off.
IrishRose
Maz, does this mean she should be allowed back to defend herself? All chaos would break loose! I just am trying to understand. I got most of it, just want to know the crux of what you are trying to say. smile.gif Love ya, Rose
Neal
Justice might be a coward.

She may not have the balls to defend herself. She may not have a rational reason to justify whatever insults she p.m.'d IrishRose.

She hasn't posted since July 24th.

If she has no reason to justify her acts, then probably the logical thing for her to do is apologize! Followed by forgiveness. And then, sinced I already mentioned that days ago and she hasn't been posting, she probably doesn't have the courage to do that either.

This is like a court. And Justice is idle. So what happens when IrishRose and Justice are in court, and Justice is completely silent, not saying anything?

Sooner or later it will be forgotten, unless Justice speaks up.
meli
Dude she's banned.

And all chaos would break lose if we allow it to break lose. We are all each and every one of us in control of our own actions. Again the ignore function works. Anything above that should be left to the moderation team of this forum.

Neal
Is it when you can't p.m. someone, it means they're banned? The last and only thing we got from the mod was she was put on posts approve.
meli
I guess we will have to wait for a moderator to confirm or deny instead of speculating and worrying why. She could not send or recieve pm's no. About posts I have not a clue if she attempted to make any or not.
Neal
Yes, so she's on post approve.

Remember, since she insulted someone in p.m., it's no surprise she's "banned" from sending p.m.s. And then, it's probably reasonable to believe that if you can't send p.m.s, you can't receive them either.
IrishRose
Meli, she's not banned, she's on READ ONLY. Banned means you cannot get in. I was a moderator, I know. And Neal.. she is back, just not posting that much because the mods are watching. She is going by a new screen name Innasense and hasn't been posting, but there still are 14 posts since she came on 2 days ago. You can check that out in the member profile. I just want to clear up what you said as it was not correct that she is not posting. She is still posting but is not supposed to.

Banned means not being on the forum at all.

Read Only is obvious smile.gif

Hope that explains it! God bless Neal.
meli
right, read only. I am new here I don't know the names for the punishments yet wink.gif
Neal
I guess Innasense is free to post, not on view-only or anything.

I wonder how we know is her. The IPs must be the same!

I'll have to check out that profile some time.
IrishRose
The posts say it all, nothing to do with IP. It's obvious, but thanks Neal.

(oh, and Lisa, that is not a Jab, just answering a question wink.gif)
Maz
QUOTE (IrishRose @ Jul 30 2008, 01:12 PM) *
Maz, does this mean she should be allowed back to defend herself? All chaos would break loose! I just am trying to understand. I got most of it, just want to know the crux of what you are trying to say. smile.gif Love ya, Rose

No I mean she was here and took command of her own destiny. Or ought to have. The misunderstandings develop around personality conflicts which result in taking a stand for her defense or against her defense. But the debate ought to consider the ideologies rather than the personalities. As I said, anyone who comes in caustic and abraisive tones ought to be ready to stand alone in that construct. I would say if she has been sanctioned she has been shown to be against the grain of forum principal, which is based upon godly direction. To continue to redress her situation in the face of the edicts that have been handed out, is to side with her in her offense at being sanctioned. That is in turn saying the arbitration process that has been set by the very forum principals we all subscribe to is at fault. And that is saying we play foul in the face of insurrection. Where would one draw the line on fairness? The dynamics of this circumstance are the same as in countless cases of like nature. A multitude of witnesses regard justice as being outside the envelope of godly discipline and now that she is unable to attend any subsequent roasting...that is a necessary side effect to the decisions taken. I franky am amazed that certain elements are allowed to perform their hot displeasure, using great swelling words of contempt, and to even make a virtual study of it. That does not dismiss the fact that God uses these things to make a profit in the spirit of a man..... for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnes. God uses these things to correct us and perfect us. I am willing to say openly that several folks will come away from this situation well armed for future eventualities and they will be most keenly aware of both the heights and the depths that must be plumbed in order to walk worthy of Him unto all pleasing. In other words, the attendant growth will be the profitable exchange, at least for these participants. And also for every witness to what is outwardly a sordid affair.
IrishRose
Wow Maz, well SAID and AGREED!!!!!
crownsevenalphabet




( Maz quote)
. . . they will be most keenly aware of both the heights and the depths that must be plumbed in order to walk worthy of Him unto all pleasing.



Parallel's Versus Paraphrase's, In Scripture . . ., "What is the difference, in archetypal pattern's" ?
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=21799&hl=



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumbing

Plumbing also refers to a system of pipes and fixtures installed in a building for the distribution of potable water and the removal of waterborne wastes. Plumbing is usually distinguished from water and sewage systems, in that a plumbing system serves one building, while water and sewage systems serve a group of buildings or a city.


My point in the paraphrase :

" let us all get some plumbing issues out of our pipes, then we can
rot-o-rooter . . . other's pipes "
Maz
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Jul 30 2008, 02:51 PM) *
( Maz quote)
. . . they will be most keenly aware of both the heights and the depths that must be plumbed in order to walk worthy of Him unto all pleasing.



Parallel's Versus Paraphrase's, In Scripture . . ., "What is the difference, in archetypal pattern's" ?
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=21799&hl=



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumbing

Plumbing also refers to a system of pipes and fixtures installed in a building for the distribution of potable water and the removal of waterborne wastes. Plumbing is usually distinguished from water and sewage systems, in that a plumbing system serves one building, while water and sewage systems serve a group of buildings or a city.


My point in the paraphrase :

" let us all get some plumbing issues out of our pipes, then we can
rot-o-rooter . . . other's pipes "

Lets get roto rootering ha!
IrishRose
Maz Said:

I am willing to say openly that several folks will come away from this situation well armed for future eventualities and they will be most keenly aware of both the heights and the depths that must be plumbed in order to walk worthy of Him unto all pleasing. In other words, the attendant growth will be the profitable exchange, at least for these participants.

CrownSeven...

To debate this right you must use the entire quotation. Maz said that several folks may come away from the situation well armed and aware of the heights and depths that must be plumbed in order to walk worth of Him. (paraphrased by me)

He didn't actually say WHICH FOLKS, just SEVERAL... it could be me, it could be many others... but he didn't precisely point to WHOM it implies... just SEVERAL. And I don't think that your message (thought it does hold much wisdom) applies to what Maz is trying to point out. Just an observation.


Oops, was booted off the forum.. didn't know this took! THREE TIMES! Sorry!
Maz
God treats us like kids squabbling at the dinner table...he tells us to shut up and eat...pass the broccoli....(please) 1dsz5f1.gif
Maz
QUOTE (IrishRose @ Jul 30 2008, 02:04 PM) *
Maz Said:

I am willing to say openly that several folks will come away from this situation well armed for future eventualities and they will be most keenly aware of both the heights and the depths that must be plumbed in order to walk worthy of Him unto all pleasing. In other words, the attendant growth will be the profitable exchange, at least for these participants.

CrownSeven...

To debate this right you must use the entire quotation. Maz said that several folks may come away from the situation well armed and aware of the heights and depths that must be plumbed in order to walk worth of Him. (paraphrased by me)

He didn't actually say WHICH FOLKS, just SEVERAL... it could be me, it could be many others... but he didn't precisely point to WHOM it implies... just SEVERAL. And I don't think that your message (thought it does hold much wisdom) applies to what Maz is trying to point out. Just an observation.


Oops, was booted off the forum.. didn't know this took! THREE TIMES! Sorry!

The forum was acting up again...and we all know the passengers on "The Street Car Named Desire." So as they say in the army, "No names, no pack drill."


IrishRose
laugh.gif wub.gif Maz, you're so lovable and you make me laugh... smile.gif

Yup, pass the broccoli and BEANO too! wink.gif
Neal
For dinner, don't forget to invite the plumbers!
IrishRose
That's a loaded one Neal! LOL smile.gif
Glad I didn't have Mexican! Geesh!
Pamela
laugh.gif huh.gif laugh.gif
QUOTE (Neal @ Jul 30 2008, 05:16 PM) *
For dinner, don't forget to invite the plumbers!

IrishRose
Hi Pamela... yeah, Neal has a great sense of humor!!! smile.gif
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (IrishRose @ Jul 30 2008, 04:04 PM) *
Maz Said:

I am willing to say openly that several folks will come away from this situation well armed for future eventualities and they will be most keenly aware of both the heights and the depths that must be plumbed in order to walk worthy of Him unto all pleasing. In other words, the attendant growth will be the profitable exchange, at least for these participants.

CrownSeven...

To debate this right you must use the entire quotation. Maz said that several folks may come away from the situation well armed and aware of the heights and depths that must be plumbed in order to walk worth of Him. (paraphrased by me)

He didn't actually say WHICH FOLKS, just SEVERAL... it could be me, it could be many others... but he didn't precisely point to WHOM it implies... just SEVERAL. And I don't think that your message (thought it does hold much wisdom) applies to what Maz is trying to point out. Just an observation.


Oops, was booted off the forum.. didn't know this took! THREE TIMES! Sorry!






Much love, Maz 1dsz5e4.gif . . . I like to have a little humor with my mote in the eye . . . reading material.


IrishRose Said:
To debate this right you must use the entire quotation.



And I was not debating, I was paraphrasing : ( so I will take 50% of your suggestion dearest IrishRose 1dsz5e4.gif , and use the entire quotation, with a paraphrase ) ( smile )




Maz Said:

I am willing to say openly that several folks will come away from this situation well armed for future eventualities and they will be most keenly aware of both the heights and the depths that must be plumbed in order to walk worthy of Him unto all pleasing. In other words, the attendant growth will be the profitable exchange, at least for these participants.


NOW READY FOR THE PARAPHRASE . . . ? . . .oK......scroll down . . . >
A paraphrase typically explains or clarifies the text that is being paraphrased. For example, "The signal was red" might be paraphrased as "The train was not allowed to proceed." When accompanying the original statement, a paraphrase is usually introduced with a verbum dicendi — a declaratory expression to signal the transition to the paraphrase. For example, in "The signal was red, that is, the train was not allowed to proceed," the "that is" signals the paraphrase that follows.



crownsevenalphabet, said as a 'paraphrase' :

I am `NOT` willing to say openly that few folks will come away from this situation well loved
for future reference that something may occur; a possibility. These few folks will `not` be
very aware of the scale of balance between the verticals and the horizontals that
cannot be a plumb-line, a line from which a weight is suspended to determine verticality or depth.
In order to walk worthy of God (IHVH) unto all pleasing. In a paraphrase, the one who attends or waits on another to spring up and develop to maturity will be a profitable exchange, at least for these that ` let us all get some plumbing issues out of our pipes, then we can
rot-o-rooter . . . other's pipes `.


Love to you IrishRose . . . with my research . . . I have a need to express in humor/coy response !



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coy
2: showing reluctance to make a definite commitment <a coy response>
meli
QUOTE
the one who attends or waits on another to spring up and develop to maturity will be a profitable exchange

As always thank you 1dsz5e4.gif
IrishRose
LOL.. I'm sorry Crown... I guess my brain is in overdrive these last few days and I just didn't get it! wink.gif

I meant no offense whatsoever and thank you for explaining it! smile.gif I am so happy you are here!

Blessings, and keep up the good work! smile.gif
IAMlives
...methinks our dear mods could use a never-ending supply of duct tape for future uses...such as....



"the perfect solution"--------->



...........hehehe
IrishRose
Oh, that is hilarious! Thank you Sparkly Kimmy girl! smile.gif You do light up the day with your wonderful pictures... yeah, I could use some of that for my kids too! wink.gif

Love ya, and have a happy night! xoxox You're so sweet and we all love you so much!
Here Am I
QUOTE (IrishRose @ Jul 30 2008, 06:26 PM) *
Oh, that is hilarious! Thank you Sparkly Kimmy girl! smile.gif You do light up the day with your wonderful pictures... yeah, I could use some of that for my kids too! wink.gif

Love ya, and have a happy night! xoxox You're so sweet and we all love you so much!



Ditto! I never thought of that!
IrishRose
Oh believe me, Annie... the thought has crossed my mind many a time, but I don't think they make it strong enough for 10 and 13 yr olds! wink.gif

Thanks for the laugh!
Maz
QUOTE (IrishRose @ Jul 30 2008, 03:07 PM) *
laugh.gif wub.gif Maz, you're so lovable and you make me laugh... smile.gif

Yup, pass the broccoli and BEANO too! wink.gif

Beano...a remedy for anything that talks behind your back....
Here Am I
QUOTE (Neal @ Jul 30 2008, 05:16 PM) *
For dinner, don't forget to invite the plumbers!



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