Paul said

1Cor 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

everything that the Gentile church has concerning God is a form of devil worship.

Rapture
Easter
Christmas

going to heaven
memorial day
sunday
eat anything you want just pray over it
don't have to keep the Law
don't have to be circumcsied

you can't find this teaching in the word of God

who gave the gentiles this garbage?


thank God Jeremiah said

Jer 4:7 The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant.

what happened to the Protocol?

Rev 1v
1: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:


Amos 3v
1: Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying,
2: You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

Rom 9v
1: I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2: That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3: For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Rom 3v
1: What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2: Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Cathoilic
protestants
hindu
islam
buddahist

where do you get your doctrine from?

from God or Satan

You have hit the nail on the head with this one!

Sometimes I get amazed when people quote: pastors, elders, priests, or bible commentators, or what famous people in their respective fields have said about GOD, rather than just quoting the bible ONLY.

who cares what these people think! --What comes down to the crunch is the word of Almighty God. Every true Christian must believe every single word that comes out of HIS mouth, and keep the word pure and not change the meaning, that is what comes down to the ultimate crunch.

the forum's STATEMENT OF FAITH is at

http://www.bible-codes.org/Our%20beliefs.htm

this statement includes the TRINITY
and all forum-ites are required to believe the STATEMENT,
otherwise they are restricted to the 2 CONTROVERSIAL SUB-FORUMS.

so, do you want to retract your objection to the TRINITY?
or do you want to risk losing your priveleges?

dennis

Gross missapplication of scripture. It is about idol worship and the gentiles do such things. But once you are a part of the church you are not a gentile. It has nothing to do with chuchianity.

1Pe 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

ozell is a JUDAIZER!

WOW!

ozell should read Galatians.

Paul cursed the JUDAIZERS to hell-fire

agree

my bad
dennis

thanks for the reminder and correction.

it will be placed in the right forum next time.

it will put something about the trinity over there and I pray that you wll join the debate.

for the record I don't retract what I said,

i just forgot to put it in the correct sub forum.

please at the appointed time dennis meat me over in that sub forum for a debate on the trinity,

p.s I am a very respectable person so I don't get invovled in name calling or threats.

I think it would been christian like if you had worded your correction in another way.

no threats needed.

a simple mistake my brother



uncalled for.

are you saying the scriptures I put are misappication.?

How is that?

if we are not worshiping Jesus the way he say worship him, what else should it be called?


2Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

what is this then when Paul say warns that we may one day be worshipping another Jesus,

what else can it be called?

when the 1st 2 commandments of God is broken.

Exodus 20v
4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6: And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.



show me gentiles churches part of the church?

many gentile churches teach that the Jews are cast away.

many teach that the church started on the day of pentecost.

you agree to what??

show me that brother?




what do you mean by this?

Jesus is a Jew!!!!

I love all people my brother

italians
polish
germans
israelites
spanish

all the son's of Adam

Greetings in the name of Jesus:


Dear Dennis Mann:

I read and then re read the Forums statement of faith. which web address you did include.

but I am going to have to disagree with you: And point out, that " Trinity " is not written there, as statement of faith. One may personally include it for self gratification.

But lets remember its not actually scripture, but precept of man. And that is the cold sure truth of it. God is One, not Trinity.



Now personally, I believe that God is Omnipotent, and the Word and God are one. Which word was made flesh in Jesus.

But if God is the word, and Man believes that Gods words are sure:, should in mans wisdom, find words that should be added, or God forgot some words, then this impugns the sure and eternal word, as " Incomplete" needing mans Help to clarify and or correct God, and Add Words and doctrines, such as Trinity.

Now if the words alone are not enough, and you need to add this word or that, then your finding Gods words Lacking for you, and incomplete, and needed extra Human Help, to be sure and of eternal truth, I find this wrong.

I find this as the Acme of Mans vanity and arrogance, to think God needs mans help.

I do not Use the Words God does not use. If God uses not Trinity, then Neither do I. does " Trinity matter as to salvation? No! Its meaningless except to mans vanity, and excess need to embellish with doctrines of men.

Contrary to some simple minded fools of Interpretations; the Word Trinity, and sound Doctrine of Monotheism, " One God" concepts, are not always interpreted as the same. Some Might not realize, but Trinity can be interpreted as " Three Gods". duh, if that is not pagan total contradiction to Monotheism. Then there is not such thing. Polytheism, are and is paganism, and concepts of Satan and not of God.

Trinity, and Monotheism, sound the same to you? Not to me. To me, they are Obviously different. One God of " Father, Son, and Spirit". I can relate and find in the Word.

I believe in Father, Son, and Spirit, all One God, which Jesus is King, and God. But its Monotheism, which is sound doctrine, Not Trinity, which is additions of men.

Three bare witness in heaven. of Man. But God being Omnipotent, can be four, ten or million,which includes being three, Known to man. But God is One, of many manifestations, but all of One God, Not three.

Man who has Little substance and of small wisdom of God, Knows only three faces of the One God, but that doesn't mean God is three, because thats all man Knows, and also vanity. Mans substance of Knowledge of Gods true measure, is minuscule in comparison to Gods true majesty, which men know little of " heavenly things"; man can barely comprehend the earthly things of God, much less the Heavenly things of God, and then to " Quantify God" in Heaven; how arrogant I find that of men.

I am sure on Judgment Day: When you tell God how men had to Add to Gods words, because Gods words were insufficient. I am sure God will be interested in mans judging God; as to Gods shortfalls in Scriptures.

forgive me for my boldness, and directness: but I do this for cause and effect to show, we Challenge Gods Omnipotence by such actions.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.

Isa 29:

15: Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?

16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

has the gentiles had there tribulation upon them from the Lord , it's coming. and the whole world will feel this wrath

Mt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

the gentiles are in power when the GT comes upon the earth, also Israel is in captivity.

Lk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25: And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26: Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27: And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

by these verses and there are many others we know that the gentiles must have the power when the Lord comes.

now we can understand why Habakkuk said

Hab 3:16 When I heard, my belly trembled; my lips quivered at the voice: rottenness entered into my bones, and I trembled in myself, that I might rest in the day of trouble: when he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.

now we understand when Jeremiah said

Jer 4:7 The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant.

the Gentiles are the son's of Japheth., Noah's son.

the Lord gave Japheth the earth to rule, as Jesus did Ham, and Shem.

There is no gentile church just a church comprised of gentiles. In the days after the resurrection the church was headquartered in Jerusalem. But it spread out from there by the word of the apostles working under the unction of of the holy spirit.

Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

God recognizes three classes of people.

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.

Once you are a believer you become the other class of people...the people of God...drawn from the world of unsaved men. This is the new man. Neither Jew nor Greek, blah blah...

God is not called "trinity" in scripture. He is referred to as the Godhead. That happens to have three personages...there are inferences of that that make it impossible to deny...without going there expressely, (Mt 3:16,17) there is a scripture in Mt where Jesus is baptized. He is one of the three. The Spirit descends upon Him like a dove. That makes two of the three. A voice cries out from heaven and says, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him." That makes the third person. Denial that God has three members in a Godhead of rulership would have to be a case made by the least observent of brethren.

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1Jo 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

This addresses a couple of points that are demonstrated throughout the twiching banalities above in this thread. I hear the serpent's hiss, even as a Godly man may walk into a lion's den, he may also walk into a snake pit of demonic undertone. Even as it has been elsewhere stated that Jesus and Satan share some sort of bond or cross reference or duality or what ever you want to make it....to call one's self a Christian and to have such bent esteem of the principals involved is to accept to error of the basest sort.

The title of this thread says that the gentiles sacrifice to devils. Let us say they do. But the church is not gentile. I think we can say there are many areas of untruth promulgated as truth in what we call the church. Idol worship and denial of truth is evident. But it appears to be a part of the plan of God in the short term elsewise the apostle would not have been given the foresight to so state....2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Are we there yet? Certainly...and it is previewed daily here in this place.

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1Th 5:24 Faithful [is] he that calleth you, who also will do [it]. 1Th 5:25 Brethren, pray for us.

Greetings in the name of Jesus:


Dear Maz;

Responding to your statement,


" He is referred to as Godhead. That happens to have three personages...there are inferences of that that make it impossible to deny".


I find this statement totally self serving, and without any true substance base in Scripture, and furthermore, what is sure, and should be Impossible to deny, are in contradiction unto, sound doctrines like, " Monotheism, One God, and Omnipotence, all powerful God"

Godhead is written, One time, Once, which has a sure, Monotheistic base, but yes can be seen as multiples head visions. But one Head.

Now the rest of statement is total fantasy. " That happens to have three personages" To accept this is to say, Goodbye Monotheism, Goodbye Omnipotent all powerful God, who now cannot be Four personages. Must be three.

And then the most absurd of all. " There are inferences of that that make it impossible to deny"

That statement is Just pagan and without any merit as to" sound doctrine" That is if you Know what actual sound doctrine is.

The Only Word that has any merit, is the word " inference". There are things being Inferred. But not by God, but by Gentile precepts of men. the only way Inference can be found by God, is by out of context scripture conjecture. of different chapters, and doctrines, correlating Out of context verses to build a doctrine.

This is total Gentile paganism, based upon " precepts of men" and their desires for God thereof.

I challenge you in "KJV" to Show any clear doctrine where " Impossible to deny" can be attached to Trinity(or Godhead of three personages). its Just a fantasy. Which Maz, cannot show by Scriptures in context alone, except by multiple scripture conjecture of out of context scriptures, and thats a fact.

Now to me, people of such concept are " Agenda Driven" precept of man, doctrines of men, a denominational believer of Precepts of men, and Not a follower of God, which God, is his word. To believe as stated, is to follow a human interpretation precept of man faith alone, devoid of true scripture based concepts.

I wanted to address your " there is no gentile Church, just Church comprised of Gentiles". of course this is perspective, and based upon ones interpretations of " Church". which derivation has, without doubt, and "impossible to deny" using your terms, Church has been Changed by Gentiles and man.

But as to Interpretations of men, and calling them denominations, and also Church's, then their are Hundreds of man made churches and precepts of men concepts, which are termed in scriptures as " Pollution of Gods inheritance". which is what the " wild grapes", and " Grafted on" Gentile Christians of " precepts of men" are unto God.

That is if you believe Scriptures opposed to Precepts of men; which I infer, your faith is in the ladder

Now as to your Jerusalem Church origin, which James brother of Jesus did lead; which clear historical and scriptural evidence shows, the Jerusalem Church did not or would not accept Non Jews or Gentiles into the Church. Seems to contradict concept of " Gentile Jerusalem church origin"

I apologize for my direct manner, and abrasive context, which is given in measure as to reference of " impossible to deny".

I pray my words do not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.

I said godhead and I never said trinity. God has three persons. deal with it.

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

This little diatribe is so remarkable in that you go to lengths to pronounce my errancy of the topics covered and you do it manifestly out of, not scripture but pretense of thought. Not a single scripture to empower what you say. I provided scriptures to delineate the reasoning presented as to church origin and as to godhead and the infrastructure of the same...you have presented nothing but words of human reasoning throughout your little rebuttal which I reject out of hand as some peculiar right of passage of a mind sore vexed by scriptural truth...and you say I have an agenda...what possible agenda would you suppose I have then? Am I to gain from combativeness in any of these things? I stand upon the platform I have developed in scriptural authority and will not be maligned by invectives to the contrary...I am not trying to prove anything... especially of my own but to lay out a basis for that obvious impartation of wisdom. Call it gentile paganism if you will. There are certainly more solid arguments to be made for paganism in the spirit realm of this life than those you make. Three person Godhead and the origin of the church are not heirs apparent to any such positioning. I just love those of the forum who present with screen names couched in some level of self proclamation as to their estate in the larger kingdom of God...I will therefore say plainly you are no spirtit of prophecy in my approach to the discovery of the path I am on. I am not intimidated by the false grandeur of any of that as it has been a meaningless statement of self importance over and over again in my sight and hearing.....even as one called justice would suppose. Dime a dozen egos met over years of ponderous labouring for reality that must be gleaned from a data base of speculative interpretation....for God has saw fit to leave inestimable certain factors that the seeking one must accept by faith for the simple reason He has made it a declaration He will not revoke... that the just shall live by faith and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him. Diligent seeking begins at a secure place. Not at a speculative place. If you are true to your screen name you are supposed to have the testimony of Jesus christ, for that is the spirit of prophecy. (Rev 19:10) The testimony of Jesus Chrst is that He is the Son of God. (John 13:13) He declared the father (John 8:27) and he ushered in the Spirit. (John 16:7) All can be correlated with scripture. However it appears that you will take any such correlation and make out of hand declarations of some out of context and therefore meaningless drivel. I am not subborned to prove who I am and what I represent. If only because I am known here. Bye.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.



HERE, ,,,,,,,,,JESUS, HOLY SPIRIT AND HEAVENLY FATHER ,,,,,,,,,ALL 3 PERSONS ARE SHOWN IN A MOMENT OF TIME.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.



JESUS IS THE SON AND THE FATHER...........ISAIAH SAID SO.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.





THE OT GOD CLAIMED TO BE THE "ONLY SAVIOUR".............IN THE NT, JESUS IS THE SAVIOUR.
SO, THE FATHER IS THE SON.
THE OT GOD IS "LORD".
JESUS IS "LORD".........
HOW CAN THERE BE 2 LORDS?..........ARE THEY LORD OF EACH OTHER?
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
1Jn 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.




WHO IS JESUS'S GOD?..................THE HEAVENLY FATHER.
BUT, JESUS IS GOD.
AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.



the way that i think of it is..........
there is only 1 god...........he exists in 3 persons...........they all 3 have the same goal, character, love, truth, etc
he is infinite, beyond our understanding..........we are finite,,,,,,,,,,,,,all we know is what the bible tells us...........i claim to believe whatever the bible says..............even when i don't understand it, and it's all greek to me.



THE HILLS ARE EVERLASTING,,,,,,,,,,,FOREVER.............ETERNITY.
THE MEEK (CHRIST AND HIS BRIDE) SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH.
Gen 49:26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.

Greetings in the name of Jesus;


Dear Maz:

Since you claim you didn't use the word Trinity, which is false, you just said it was not written there, But God head of three persona's is there...Not. Guess you didn't Know that is; the foundation for "Trinity" doctrine. duh.

My one term use of Trinity in proper perspective as to " three persona's". was a correct depiction of this doctrine. Espoused by you.

You may substitute, God head of three persona's for " Trinity" and point is still relevant. Which is to challenge its scriptural truth, you did and shall always fail in this. And to Quote you " deal with it". but I doubt you will.

did you even take up the Challenge? no. can you give verse reference as to God of three Persona's? No

And its again Fantasy to say, the Spirit of God, is Gods spirit, is also a God. Since God is already a Spirit. duh.

Now I believe in a Trinity, Trinity of mans Knowledge of God, in Earthly things alone, which earthly wisdom is limited.
I call it "mans earthly wisdom of God in Trinity wisdom of Earthly wisdom." Not quantifying God in Heaven as " Trinity"

But each and every time God is spoken of in this three part Knowledge of man of God, its about Mans relationship to God. Not Gods personal, which is, and always will be One, and Omnipotent. God never changes. Doctrines of men change all the time.

I admit, that Man, and thats man Only, Knows God in three ways. And its always and consistently quantifies it this way, in scriptures.

As Isaiah 9:6 .. " Unto us a child is born, his names shall be called, Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." and that is four names. but all of One " Child born". Which is all One God.

If I may be honest and speak as an adult: which seems lacking in this thread by some.

If one, or any used demoralizing adjectives, and descriptions of others, in the first person. Then One abides not in Gods words as to " parable of the fruit tree".

Ever heard of the parable of the fruit tree, to speak to merit of fruit of the tree, and Judge fruits of men, there words, and not Judge the tree, or the people. If one cannot speak, as to substance of themes. ( words alone) then one should be silent, and not act as a reprobate spirit, to insult others, and prove oneself a fool, by speaking in derogatory terms. Which action edifies no one. " Better it is to remain silent, and be thought a fool, then to open one's mouth, and remove all doubt."

If one feels I speak to their person, and not their words and merits of words Only, then I apologize and say: it was not my intent. but Only for edification as to principles of Christian action in discourse as requested in Scriptures for the faithful.

Now as to Trinity, and " Godhead of three persona's". they are the same, and neither,I repeat, Neither are of scriptures. Godhead is there.

But I repeat, No where, No where is the tern, " three persona's" as depiction of God ever used. KJV

One God is used often, and guess what, that is true doctrine. Three persona's of God is mans fantasy pagan doctrine.

Now there are three who witness about man in heaven. Meaning Man is related and witnessed of, To God by three ways. but in No way does that say God is three, or even suggest God is limited to three, or can be quantified as three, God being Omnipotent.

As a rule, and true wisdom of Omnipotence. Trinity of God being three, or for semantics sake, " Godhead of three persona's".
cannot be truth, and God still being Omnipotent, which Can Only Be One, God, who can be many, including three, which is really two as we Know it, Gods spirit is not another God persona., So two, and their and their spirit. but the two are really one.

Since your not capable to respond to my challenge, except with terms, " Just deal with it". And you use the Cultist tactic to attack my persona, and my personal value, and even my name; ha ha ha. Then I can show your lack of Knowledge of " Parable of Fruit tree". And spiritual desire as a Civilized Christians to speak in Honorable manner and discourse.

I shall end this, with My challenge not even attempted by you to take, and that your a failure in this: as proof it cannot be dismissed or proven Wrong. and that your; a only a Denominational " Unlearned" and of the " Blind leading the blind".

Now if you wish to give Scriptural foundation of why " Godhead is of three persona's" of actual taught doctrine, without multiple conjectured scripture out of context; then be my guest. Attacking me, only proves that your Spirit, as well as your doctrine and words, are not of God.

Now to personally attack me, and my name, do you really think; that edifies God or Church, which is what and how we measure those of God. Guess how you measure up to this standard, as to "Love thy enemies"? you cant even show respect to fellow Christians. Can you? or Maybe your not really, a Christians But Jehovah's witness. or some other precept of man, not in faith of Christ. But whatever, I am not here to Judge you, but Ones words, as related to Scriptures, KJV.

But trust in your Brotherhood, or Jehovah's witness or what ever denominations which you claim is Gods truths. which is folly of man to say. "But the way to damnation is wide and broad, and many go therein"

"Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee."

Also " As a dog returneth unto his Vomit: so a fool returneth unto his folly"

God head of Three persona's: will any admit its not of scriptures or taught as such? Only those of Gods words, will admit what is of Gods words. I guess Maz is just not one of " Gods words" KJV. But will stand with his denominational wisdom, until he dies. Three persona's of God. I shall accept " three bear witness in heaven of man". but persona's, Not.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.

Maz, THANK YOU for responding to ozell...AMEN brother

greetings in the name of Jesus:


Dear Dennis Mann:


I believe we have been down this road before about the term " Son".

Now I would agree totally, if I did not have absolute evidence, to its folly, including of scriptures.

Jewish and Judaic tradition of use of the term, "Son of ". does not always denote progenitor, and its not even that way in America or england of English, there is " son of Britain", " Son of America". " Son of Sam"

And of scriptures to confirm this truth, is Jesus saying, " I am the son of man". Maybe Jesus is the Son of ; Dennis mann, and God is a woman, and they had Jesus as their offspring?

Now it is clearly a truth, that the term, "Son of" can be used and a term to denote lineage and also heritage. but some people, in a must desire; to be of truth of their Doctrines of men, claim and or dismiss what is truth. " Son of Israel" ; " Son of man". etc.

So if Jesus is a descendant Son as stated, " Son of God", and Jesus said I am " son of man" then either Mary is a Harlot, going out on Joseph, or Jesus is of Multiple fathers. Or scriptures lie, or Jesus is lying about " Son of man".

Or the truth, as people seeking Gods truth, will admit: is that " Son Of" can denote heritage as well as lineage.

And there is not definitive verse; without false interpretations into use of the term " son of" that would confirm God and Jesus are not one.

But one Must deny One God Omnipotent to accept Dennis Mann premise: what is Jesus, is he God, if not God the father, then what? little God, and if not One God, is there two, and Monotheism is false, and Polytheism is truth? Not. How many Gods are there if Jesus is not God the Father?

Is it written any where in scriptures that Jesus is seperate? no, only with multiple conjectures can this be espoused. And to deny One God Monotheism, or Jesus is not God of any measure.

But there is definitive verse saying the Opposite of, the suggestion that, Jesus is separate. I give you a new one. " those who deny Jesus also deny the Father: and those who accept Jesus, also accept and receive the father". How can one be in denial of the father, if one denies Jesus. if God were not the same, if different,then God would term it as God rejects those who deny Jesus, not that One is denying the father, when one denies Jesus. absolutely no separation there.

there is not a lot of equivocation there either.

ya cant have the father, without Jesus, thats pretty indivisible; isn't it?

And My challenge to Dennis Mann: Can God the Father, become flesh, and be made as Grass, and then suffer and die as a man? Could almighty God do this if he wanted? and if so, would he, and or why? I bet you don't answer.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.

Ozell.....

Who do you think Paul was talking about concerning Gentiles???

Was he talking about the Christian church?

NO! He was talking about the Gentiles of the time who for the most part...did not know God. They followed pagan gods and not the true God.

That scripture was talking about FOOD that the pagan Gentiles were eating which had been sacrificed to devils. He was saying that to eat with them is also partaking in that sin of sacrificing to idols.

Do you know that to twist the Word of God and make it say something it is not is also a sin???

Please be careful about your interpretations before you try and tell others about it. If you lead anyone astray in this way.....you will answer to God for it.

Your taking this and twisting it to make it sound like he is talking about Gentile Christians and the Gentile church.

God is not against the true Gentile church. We experience the blessings of God...His Joy....His Love.....His HEALING....His Protection...everyday of our lives.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

what does "only begotten son" mean?

it means that God is the Dad
Mary is the Mom
Jesus is the son of God (and the son of man)
Jesus is God and man (both)

Christians are "adopted" sons of god.

Jesus is the "only" begotten son of god.....

Christians are not begotten, .........they are adopted by God


if you don't agree with the FORUM STATEMENT OF FAITH, take this debate to the DEBATES ONLY forums.

this forum is for "bible-believing Christians only"

Our spirits were born out of God.

Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth the words of God: for this cause ye hear them not, because ye are not of God.

You have to be "of" God first in order to hear Him.

Our spirits are not of this world, Just like Jesus' wasn't
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

If someone isn't "of" God, they can't hear Him. Which is why not many are saved.

no,
when i first heard the Gospel, i was NOT born-again...........but, i heard God,,,,,,,He said : i was a sinner in need of a Saviour,,,,,,,,,,,then, later, after much foot-dragging, i believed,,,,,,,,,,at that moment , God birthed in me a NEW CREATION, i was born-again from Heaven, a spiritual birth

an un-saved person can hear the gospel, and understand it,,,,,,,,,,he can feel guilt and shame of past sins,,,,,,,,,he can understand the need of a saviour,,,,,,,,,,,,,he can decide to accept the Gospel or reject the gospel

a person cannot believe the gospel unless he understands it first

it sounds to me that researcher might be a Calvinist.............calvinism is wrong

Irrational presentation my man ...backed with nothing but excess...so no point I hereby detach myself from verbiage which serves to further digress from spiritual truth. I will say it plainly for the record...God is a triune God, His witness has been given....to my satisfaction and to the satisfaction of many who have accepted the word at face value...I sure hope that does not offend your inequties....I have seen the vanity of such expression and the lostness of it in too many rounds of arrogant subsets of intellectualism to be bothered trying to convince you of what you will deny in the face of every substantiated word. And also for the record, the whole reason for our being a church is because the gentiles have had the word preached to that point which brings them saving knowledge...they have become memebers of a body in particular and are no more gentiles in essence.

Greetings in the name of Jesus:


dear Dennis Mann:


I do address your questions, and do unto you, as you do not do unto me.

begotten. does not meant Gods son, Begotten means Comes from.

do not querry me further if you answer not my questions.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.

You're right, you weren't "born again" prior to hearing Him. But you were still of God. You were just "lost." No one can hear Him unless they are "of" Him first. Like Jesus said. Those who are "of" God, hear Him, those who aren't, can't. But you had to be "of" Him first in order to "hear" Him because if you weren't "of" Him in the first place, you never would have heard Him, lol. Check the verses again. There's an order to it. "Of" first, "hearing" second, because you are "of."

Greetings in the Name of Jesus:


I first questioned if any one in this forum, did speak of spirit, and not of reprobate spirit.

And God provided;

I enjoyed your post and found it of spiritual truth.

I praise God for your spirit, and pray that God keep you safe.

God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.

You're quite welcome SoP. Glad to be of service.

greetings in the name of Jesus:


Dear maz:

After reading your response, and in relationship to my post: I have come to the conclusion that Civilized discourse with you on themes and issue and concepts is not possible.

Now you can call me all the name you want, and say all manner of evil that you feel befits you.


Here is my response. God and I love thee, and I forgive thee.

But I do not seek to strive with you, and ask you in the Name of Jesus, to not suffer me your words in the future: which I feel such words, do not edify you or me, or any who might read such posts.

call me a Liar; but with your : Non Scripture " Triune " God additional words., you must be of the brotherhood, which I have found, does have a penchant for personal attacks upon others with different interpretations, and even sued by the Catholic Church, for slander, and Catholics did win their case.

Call me a liar and tell me your Not a member of this Brotherhood of believers? I claim no denomination.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.

Cut the dear meat...I have called you no names nor have I slurred your personhood...and I am equally as offended at your arrogant and unreserved penchant to spiritual snobbery....however I shall not suffer myself to be relegated to the slag heap of irreverent inconfidentiality by any such as you and do maintain the integrity of posting ad nauseum as is beffiting the seeming right those such as yourself have taken command of And it is only an opinion at the end of the day. I shall consider reporting you to the management under the subclause that states that anyone who joins the forum is subject to the beliefs of the forum and it is plainly stated that the forum is in tune with the trinity principal of worship to God...I dislike you my man and I am not going to confess some alleged phony love agenda to make a solicitation of "good man" on this forum....I shall leave that sort of dissimulation to those who desire it...phoney in every way....What is your take on "civiliized discourse?" Apparently that which agrees and does not propose variables to a theme of abased religious considerations...I stand in peace and walk in peace. It is not even your thread and you have the gall to command me concerning it....with an assinine delivery style befitting the spirit you carry...

http://www.bible-codes.org/Our%20beliefs.htm

no, before a person is born-again, he is on satan's side

when i was an un-believer, i was on satan's side..........i was at enmity (war) with god

every un-believer is on satan's side..........against god

there is a gentile church Brother, they meet every sunday morning.
the true church meets on the 7th day of the week


Lk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

after Jesus resurrection

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,




God recognizes all flesh whether they are good or whether they are evil

Jer 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?



there is a Godhead it don't include three personage.



is the Holy ghost God, show me that in scriptures.

I know John bear record but he is not in heaven.

I know that there is a angel of God's presence in heaven

Isa 63:9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

I know the angel Gabriel stand in the presence of God

Lk 1:19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

this I can read

I know the angel is part of the protocol of God

Rev1v
1: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:



this I can't read.

I will not discuss the trinity here, the Godhead which is biblical is another story.




ok



on sunday morning who is teaching the gentiles?

is it Israel or is it another gentile?

the church is not gentile, the true church is Israel made up of all of Adam's sons and daughters

let say it is a gentile was this gentile taught by Israel?

Rom3v
1: What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2: Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

or Rom9v
1: I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2: That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3: For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

how did this gentile or hamite or israelite for that matter get taught.

what did the gentiles know about God before Paul?



If the gentiles are there brother,
why do they meet on the 1st day of the week.
why is the dietary laws not kept?
why is blood still eaten? rare done steak and this was addressed by paul early on
why is easter and christmas kept?
why not the Lord feast days?
Jesus was circumscised a follwer of Jesus must get circumscised even at 99 as abraham was
what about keeping the commandments?

are you sure the gentiles are there, Israel isn't there, how can the student be and the teacher not.

It would take great discourse to set the pattern of Sunday worship which began with the resurrection of Christ...it is late and I know who you are now in the spirit of wisdom...and that spirit you carry would seek to exile all who you have presumed to be outside of the faith by reason of your take on scripture..perhaps I will soon rehearse all this but I doubt it, as it is labour to what end? I have a 24 hour travel day ahead of me tomorrow and it is late so that is that for now....

First day church worship....Act 20:7 And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1Co 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 1Co 16:2 Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
Paul preached on what i expect was Sunday and he collected offerings on the same...

where did Paul meet the gentiles at? where ever he met them this is who he was talking to.

Galatian
if you are bewitched to not obey the truth, you had to have had it.
Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Ephesiahs
when you have to remember, you forgot what was told you
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

Corithians
if Paul say let it not be named then they must have known before
1Cor 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

the gentiles are the stops on Paul Journey

That scripture was talking about FOOD that the pagan Gentiles were eating which had been sacrificed to devils. He was saying that to eat with them is also partaking in that sin of sacrificing to idols.

this is spiritual food sister!! read the whole chapter. spirtual eating with your mind.



twisting according to your understanding, who's understanding am I twisting the scriptures?



let read more of what I have to say, lets read the scriptures I put, let's rightly divide the word of truth.



who was Paul sent to teach?

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:



of course God not against the true church

the Gentile church worship on sunday or the 1st day of the week.

is this his church?

stay safe and we will dialogue soon.

peace in Jesus

Greetings in the name of Jesus;


Dear Maz:

Are you trying to prove and confirm my Hypothesis, that Maz words are as words of " Cult Member" who cannot speak to Issues but must speak unto merits of others.
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