I would like to put out the supposition that the "trees" in Eden were not actually "trees" of the literal bark and leaf type.

Gen 2:8 And Jehovah God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made Jehovah God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.


Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide it; the fir-trees were not like its boughs, and the plane-trees were not as its branches; nor was any tree in the garden of God like unto it in its beauty.
Eze 31:9 I made it fair by the multitude of its branches, so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied it.


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Hello Maz. Yes, I think there is symbolism involved. Trees are symbolic of people, and, sometimes spiritual beings. I think parts of Gen. chapters 1 and 2 have symbolic language like Revelations does. Fitting, as they are the first and last books and tell of the start, and the end.

Trees of the "field" differentiated from the trees in the garden

Eze 31:5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.

Eze 31:15 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.

Trees of Eden in Hell or Sheol

Eze 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.

Trees as People:


Jesus
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing.

In Lebanon
Zec 11:1 Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars.
Zec 11:2 Howl, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are spoiled: howl, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the vintage is come down.

Joseph
Gen 49:22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:

Nebuchadnezzer
Dan 4:20 The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth;
Dan 4:21 whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was food for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the birds of the heavens had their habitation:
Dan 4:22 it is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong; for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.

Jotham and the Israelites
Jdg 9:8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive-tree, Reign thou over us.
Jdg 9:9 But the olive-tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honor God and man, and go to wave to and fro over the trees?
Jdg 9:10 And the trees said to the fig-tree, Come thou, and reign over us.

Two Witnesses
Rev 11:3 And I will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks, standing before the Lord of the earth.

Israel and Judah
Isa 5:7 For the garden of Jehovah of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for justice, but, behold, oppression; for righteousness, but, behold, a cry.

Those in Zion
Isa 61:3 to appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them a garland for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they may be called trees of righteousness, the planting of Jehovah, that he may be glorified.

Trees as spirits

Apparently a vision of something in heaven
Zec 4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
Zec 4:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
Zec 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.




Which leads back to... what were the trees in the Garden?

Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide it; the fir-trees were not like its boughs, and the plane-trees were not as its branches; nor was any tree in the garden of God like unto it in its beauty.
Eze 31:9 I made it fair by the multitude of its branches, so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied it.

To commentators who have doubts about the reality of the Garden of Eden, the Tree of Life, the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the talking serpent, and the disobedience of a literal Adam and Eve, I like to simply ask "Was the cross on which Christ was crucified real, or was it a symbolic, metaphoric, allegorical cross?"

The answer, of course, is that it was real. The cross of Christ was real, but it becomes symbolic, metaphoric, and allegorical in various contexts. It is in fact a Tree of Life where the Evil of Sin and the Curse of Death is dealt with so that the Goodness of New Resurrection Life can be experienced by whosoever will avail themselves of its fruit, namely the perfect Son of God who died a literal, physical death on it as a permanent offering to take away the sin of the world.

Hi Researcher.....I had a reply to your post just about ready yesterday and.....BOOM, a storm knocked out our power for a few mintutes. So, I'm back today


My comment on trees was...Here Am I and I were discussing this topic a few days ago. As God is a "great fir tree" and His children are considered "cedars of Lebanon," we wondered what myrtle and mulberry trees were. It appears that individual entites have individual tree names.


Zechariah 1:11 And they answered the angel of the Lord that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, "We have walked to and fro through the earth, and, behold, all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest.

Those "myrtle trees" were riding horses....I wonder what those "horses" were?

11 Samuel 5:23 And when David enquired of the Lord, he said, "Thou shalt not go up; but fetch a compass behind them, and come upon them over against the mulberry trees.


The Myrtle Trees are with the Lord....the Mulberry Trees are enemies of David. The myrtle trees are God's angelic army while the mulberry trees are the army of Satan, his fallen angels!

Hi Whirlwind. So, you would take the trees in the garden as being angels or, spirit? I was leaning towards that also. I'm not sure though. Thanks.

No....I don't think that at all. All entities, including humans and angels are trees. I believe the trees in the garden are the people of the 6th day creation...all the races. Of course there were also literal trees too.

....or perhaps giant shrubberies!??

Or thorns!

Wow. Nice! Yeah, trees are symbolic for people or angels(spirits), so, that's why I was unsure of what they were. Your interpretation also came to mind.

I know they weren't trees as, trees don't feel emotion. Lol.

Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide it; the fir-trees were not like its boughs, and the plane-trees were not as its branches; nor was any tree in the garden of God like unto it in its beauty.
Eze 31:9 I made it fair by the multitude of its branches, so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied it.

Lol @ John. I'm sure there were some actual trees, but, it's obviously symbolic much like the last book when it speaks of trees.

Anyone have a comment on this?

Its very clear in the hebrew -- there are 2 types of trees mentioned:::

# 6086. It reads; "ets, ates; from # 6095, stock tree, timber, wood." It is a common tree.--this is a regular old tree,,,,apples,,,,oranges,,,exc....You know the things we make tree houses out of....

but there is another type of tree mentioned

"Atsah, aw-tsaw, prime root, prop. to fasten (or make firm), i.e., to close (the eyes): shut." Under # 6095 Hebrew for trees in the garden) page 90 of Strong's Hebrew dictionary, the other reference to this is # 6096.

The # 6096; "Atseh, aw-tseh, from 6095; the spine, (as giving firmness to the body):-backbone." This # 6096 "atseh" is the tree referred to in Genesis 3:3. In referring to the fruit of a tree, then, you are talking about children.....

Eze 31:9 I made it fair by the multitude of its branches, so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, ENVIED it.

How strange that the SIN of "ENVY" existed in the Garden of God BEFORE Adam and Eve fell, as the other trees "envied" the tree in the midst... so this means things weren't so perfect in Paradise after all. This would imply that sin existed before the sin of Adam and Eve... well, at least the SIN OF ENVY. Strange, indeed, when one considers the theological interpretations fed to us in Sunday school.

What are your thoughts to this strange puzzle? (I'm just playing "devils advocate" here.)

-7

No, the garden was perfect and man was perfect before the fall. You are right however that sin did not originate in the garden. Sin originated when lucifer revolted, thus sin started in the heavens which is why Jesus had to ascend to the mercy seat on High to cleanse it with His blood .....see his conversation with Mary Magdelene in the Garden....don't touch me Mary because I must first go to my Father.......

satan's influence brought sin into the garden, so as soon satan entered the garden, sin entered the garden but it was not yet the sin of man...

We see a parallel in the millenial kingdom where everything is perfect with no disease, no war, everything aplenty yet by the end of the millenial kingdom, man revolts again so satan is released for a short time to bring on the end of the world as we know it.

This will vindicate God's wisdom that even without demonic influence, men, like satan, both perfect at time of original creation, would excersise free will and revolt....therefore vindicating God of the placement of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and of the creation of satan who has made so many suffer endlessly....

Rebellion is never far away thus it is necessary to have man chose whom he will serve while on earth for redemptive purposes so the cycles of discipline can be fully finished and the eternal state can come.

This is the main sin God is concerned with. Although there are lots of sins that cause Him grief, the greatest is to choose to serve the other guy in spiritual adultery. Once this sin is dealt with, even to the death, a future revolt will not occur....all the other multitudes of transgressions are easily eliminated by the resurrection power and final cleansing of the saints....fleshly sin will no longer have power over them then...because they will be changed.

Yet if the sin of pride, is not dealt with before, a future revolt as to who is God etc....would happen in the spiritual realm and it would be a never ending process if it weren't purged in and by believers in Christ aforehand....

Thanks, Patmos... this makes perfect sense to me. I had postulated long ago that the current Universe is also "fallen"… a by-product and a result of the Rebellion that predates it. Hence, we live in a "Corrupt Secondary Universe" which is also implied in the quantum equations of “Supersymmetry and Superstring M-Theory” where physicists suspect that the time before time there existed "Paradise Lost", a former perfect paleo-universe that I have identified as the "Supraeoverse" (super + first + universe), being the original perfect Paradise before the Rebellion which defiled the original system and inverted it into the current degenerated secondary system, the Trans-Universal Superstructure (TUS).

-7

Hey 7 --

Well I know sin was there before Adam --- The first sin was Lucifer trying to take the seat of Christ(mercy seat to some) Which is trying to take the place of God and become God (Envy and pride)

Yes

They are all wrong in their assessment !

They were literal trees, that bare fruit.

The only people who were there in the garden were Adam and Eve.

Even at one time, there was only Adam, until God caused a deep sleep upon Adam and took a rib and made woman.

Trees here are "not" people ! For there were no "people" to speak of here ! Only man, the man Adam, and eventually woman who came from the one man Adam. But she did not come until after the seventh day, which would be the eighth day. God made woman on the eighth day, and even made her to look like an 8. 36-24-36 <-- And Adam called her - wow-man - Wo -man.

IN Christ - Christ IN

I think of it more as womb-man = woman. But...I like Wow-man too.


Certain trees are symbolic of people Mysteryman. And, that symbolism runs throughout the Bible.

Adam was formed on the 8th day....long after the 6th day creation of mankind...or, the other trees in the garden!

As males and females have the same amount of ribs I believe that means something different than what we have been taught. Rib can also be translated as "curve." Consider that the "helix curve" - DNA, was taken from Adam to form Eve.

Men love those curves, but these trees were literal. Man had an extra rib, that God used. Now man and woman are mirror images of each other ! The two become one - "again".

There were no other people here during this time.

Man was created on the sixth day, and yes, he was "formed" on the 8th day . Six in the Word of God means "man" and Eight represents a new beginning. Women (woman) bring forth new beginnings.

Adam was created on the sixth day, not mankind.

Everything that God made, was first made as "seed", and it had not rained yet. God caused it to rain on the eighth day , and then everything grew, which includes all the trees God made that were good to the sight and was good for food ( Gen. 3:6 ). God formed man out of the wet dust of the earth = mud or clay. Trees grew and were good for food and pleasant to the eyes. Yet, God commanded Man, not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil < name given to this paticular tree !

IN Christ - Christ IN

Who is wrong????
Your logic can easily be refuted --you said there was no one else in the garden of Eden WRONG!!!

1And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the third month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness?

3Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.

THE ASSYRIAN IS SATAN,,,AND THAT CAN BE PROVED BY GOING TO ISAIAH 14:12 AND CONTINUING TO READ.....

4The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.

5Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.

6All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.

7Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.

8The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.


SO AS YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE,,,SATAN/LUCIFER IS BEING DESCRIBED AS A TREE....IS HE A LITERAL TREE????NO,,,ALSO IT SAYS VERY CLEARLY THAT HE WAS IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN....

YOU SAID "TREES ARE NOT PEOPLE -- SO WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A TREE ENVIED YOU????

Trees in the Garden of Eden
Eze 31:3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a forest-like shade, and of high stature; and its top was among the thick boughs.
Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide it; the fir-trees were not like its boughs, and the plane-trees were not as its branches; nor was any tree in the garden of God like unto it in its beauty.
Eze 31:9 I made it fair by the multitude of its branches, so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied it.

Eze 31:18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden?

Christ the tree
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing.

The two end-time prophets
Rev 11:3 And I will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks, standing before the Lord of the earth.

Isa 61:3 to appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them a garland for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they may be called trees of righteousness, the planting of Jehovah, that he may be glorified.

Trees - people, even in Eden. Adam was the first messiah, that's all.

So, what you are trying to say then, is that when I look out of my window and see leaf trees and needle trees, they are not really trees, but people ?

Do you know what an "idiom" is ? If not, let me give you the definition -- An "idiom" is -- "A turn of expression peculiar to a language; the distinctive characteristics of a language"

Those verses are just that - an "idiom". An expression giving a substance, such as a tree , the characteristics of a human being , or a being.

The trees in the garden in Genesis is "not" an "idiom" ! They were literal trees !

IN Christ - Christ IN

So, what you are trying to say then, is that when I look out of my window and see leaf trees and needle trees, they are not really trees, but people ?

Do you know what an "idiom" is ? If not, let me give you the definition -- An "idiom" is -- "A turn of expression peculiar to a language; the distinctive characteristics of a language"

Those verses are just that - an "idiom". An expression giving a substance, such as a tree , the characteristics of a human being , or a being.

The trees in the garden in Genesis is "not" an "idiom" ! They were literal trees !

IN Christ - Christ IN

What is this man was created on the sixth day but "formed" on the eighth? I have never heard that before?

I never took Gen 2 as the start of the eighth day. That is a repeat or a more indepth look at what God did with man. It is a repeate of chapter one just with mor detail about the garden and the creation of man kind of like a directors comentary to a movie.

Hello Watcher....long time no write


Genesis is taught in the way you now see it...chapter 2 as an extension of chapter 1, but that isn't true.


Mankind, all the races, were created on the 6th day. Adam was formed after God's day of rest...which I would say was....day 8. The Bible is about Adam's family and how it affects the world...not about mankind but about Christ. Adam was the first in that line and his story is separate from the races.

He and Eve did not give birth to all the races.


If you are at all interested I would be glad to tell you more but I would ask you to approach it with a mind ready to learn new and wondrous things....not Sunday School lessons. In other words...meat, not milk.

Hey WW,

Yes long time. I was not taught about chapter 2 being an extension of chapter 1 I can honestly say I came to that conclusion myself as some would say the Holy Spirit lead me. I never really studied genesis at all except the milk part so to speak. After reading from an earlier post about man being formed on the eighth day I decided to re-read the scriptures myself to see if I have missed something. Well as soon as I read in Gen 2:4

"4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, "

I knew with out a shadow of a doubt that this was just a replay or directors comentary on the chapter 1.

I know it is hard to believe that 2 people can make all the races. But that is for God to determine we were not really here to worry about how we started just who created us.

Just as how an animal will adapt to its envoriment so will a human. Take skin color why do you think certain people are darker than others..well look at the geo location on the planet..most of the darker skin people are in more of the desert areas. There skin has abapted to the area why? Because that is how God made us. Given that age of Adam when He died 900+ and the going age for all during that time period it would be very to populate the earth in a short amount of time. What happens when a brother and sister have a child (GROSSSS!!!!) the baby has a defect. But as the generation go apart such as 2nd and 3rd cousins the defects as drematic for instance skin color is slightly different.

If Chapter 2 is a continuation of Chapter 1 then that means God wasn't finished that means He was still creating. To form is to create.

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Keywords being finished and all host of them all host of what the heavens and the earth this includes man again in verse 2 He ended His work which he had made.


That is my 2 cents so to speak. Like I said I really don't think God cares if we completely understand the creation proccess. We just need to know who made us and were we end up.

It's funny that we are talking about this....The same topic is in "Adam's Sin," just a post or two up from this one. We are covering the same thing. Please go there and read some of what has been written.

Thanks WW I will give it a shot..but it will not change my stand point on chapter 1 and chapter 2..I dont even try to comprehend the awsome power of God.

Be blessed my friend

The awesome power of God!


I am blessed Watcher and part of that is your friendship.

Did I ever suggest when you look outside and see a tree it use to be someones uncle?????NO,,,, Plum trees are plum trees,,,,,orange trees are orange trees,,,, apple trees are apple trees ,,,,,,

Your missing the point,,,,no actually I think you purposely trying to twist the point.....

Yes I know what a idiom is,,,,,ok you done,,,at least you could be like this is what you believe,,,but noooooo you talk as if you really know what your talking about ,,,and you dont!!!!

Very sloppy research,,,,,,,,
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I guess you have never read this huh????????????????????????????

Isaiah 55:12
For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands....----.O look,, now trees are able to clap there hands

you ever read this????????????


11Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.

O look now God is calling the 2 witnesses trees

you ever read this?????????????

Mark 8:24
And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

You will probley just say this dude is crazy huh?

Well what about this one

Judges 9:9
But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?

what the h,,e ,,,double hockey sticks,,,,tress talking ,,,,,now thats just scary....

Well what about this??????

2Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness?

3Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.

4The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.

5Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.

6All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.

7Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.

8The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

Ok now try and tell me that trees dont represent people

But why stop there ????? If you had really had done your homework you would understand that When we look up the common word for "trees" in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary, we find the number # 6086. It reads; "ets, ates; from # 6095, stock tree, timber, wood." It is a common tree...........

However the trees in the garden of Eden reads, # 6095. We read in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary; "Atsah, aw-tsaw, prime root, prop. to fasten (or make firm), i.e., to close (the eyes): shut." Under # 6095 Hebrew for trees in the garden) the other reference to this is # 6096.

The # 6096; "Atseh, aw-tseh, from 6095; the spine, (as giving firmness to the body):-backbone." This # 6096 "atseh" is the tree referred to in Genesis 3:3. In referring to the fruit of a tree, then, you are talking about children.

So you see (well thats if you have eyes to see ) That there was a particular tree in the garden that was able to open and close the eyes a tree to make one wise,,,,,,what tree do you know of,,, that you can eat and make you wise????Well when you find it you should take a bite

Waz up watcher -- no offense ,,, but how are you giving it a shot if you have already decided you wont change your stance....

Well I think your going to go with the spirit no matter what>>>>>>.

Hi Watcher

When reading chapter one of Genesis, one must take notice of the fact that nothing is growing or formed yet, because God has not caused it to rain yet. Man = "adam" -- was "created" , but not "made" yet. Man was created in the image of God, both male and female. On the eighth day , God formed man from the wet dust of the earth. Or, "mud" - clay soil. The eighth day results in a thousand year period, because all the days of Genesis are based upon each being a thousand years. During the eighth day, or eighth thousand year period, God caused man to sleep, and God took a rib out of man , and made woman. This took place during this eighth thousand year period. God told man, that in the "day" = during that thousand day period, if he ate of the tree of knowledge of Good and evil, he would die. Adam died, or to say lived 930 years and he died. So he died within "that day", or to say , within that thousand year period. No one lived more than a thousand years ! The longest recorded life span is Methuselah , who lived 969 years and he died.

When God "created" man (adam) , God created him both male and female , and the key word here would be "seed". After its own "kind" <-- Seed line

IN Christ - Christ IN

Waz up!!! Brother...no I know what the Spirit tells me, how can you speak with others about things if you do not know where they stand on things.

Sorry mate still no luck the first verses of Gen 2 kind of make it an open and shut case for me.

Gen 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

Everything was completed heavens and earth key word here "in all"

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

God did not create or form after the seventh day God is still in His seventh day of rest. When was the last time we have seen something new? I mean new not a mutation or anything like. We discover new things daily as our technology gets better but these are not new creations just new discoveries.


4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.
When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens-

This verse tells me that this is an account of creation again a more detailed look of what happened. It this is an eighth day of creation it would mean that God repeated at least the 3rd day.

Gen 1
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

Gen2
5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth [b] and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [c] and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams [d] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground

You look at these side beside did God create vegetation on the 3rd day or the eighth?

As I said earlier, I really don't think God cares if we figure out how He created everything, just the fact that we believe He did and that we are made in His image. If the creation was really important I think God would of went into more detail.

His ways are above our own we can not begin to fathom His greatness and power...

Yes I am wondering what you believe,,,is it that you believe Adam was created on day six, and chapther 2 is just a continuation of Adam already being created??????

I believe Adam was created on the sixth day and God was finished creating on the seventh and God has not created anything new since then. I believe Chapter 2 is a more of a directors commentary on what happened. I thought I made that clear before..sorry for the confusion

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

But there is no mention of Adam here........And the man and woman were created at the same time.....Adam and Eve werent created at the same time,,,and they were gardeners(well Adam was for sure) the people spoken about here are given the animal and fowls thats not gardening......

Here look at it like this also,,,,,,When God made Adam God told him about the "tree of knowledge"

What it seems like your saying,,,correct me if im wrong " that Adam was created on day 6 and God didnt tell him about the "tree of knowledge/satan" until day 8......Thats giving Satan and free shot at Adam and Eve....

What I am saying is that Chapter 2 is a more detailed account of Chapter 1 Verse 4 in Chapter 2 is the key verse here. No different in how a Matthew Mark Luke an John were written. Same story different details.

Gen 2

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,


Verse 4 is the beginning of the in depth look. There is no time laps between chapter one and two it is the same account more detail just like how the story of Christ is told in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

What about Jesus? He was new, lol. Never anything like him, lol

If you want to get technical...Jesus (aka The Word) has always been around...lol...and thanks to Him we are NEW creations in Christ...

Yes, technical, lol. I mean, Jesus in the flesh. The flesh body was new

LOL!..yes his body was new but I think that is something entirely different and special...

Basically you believe that the "P" has changed to the "J" in the hebrew manuscripts,,,I assure you it has not....

But God gives us no reason to assume that,,,man does but God doesnt.....The book of Genesis is not like the gospel,,,it is to be read straight up.....God created mankind on the day 6 and Adam on day 8

It cant see the logic your using ---- so what you are saying is God told Adam to be a rancher/farmer on day six and to have dominion over the animals,,,,,,,Then turned right back around and said be a gardener,,,,I dont know if your famialiar with wild life,,,but the garden is probley not the best place to raise bulls....

Adam had a jod ,,,what was it???? To have dominion over the animals or to be a gardener????

So I guess a man can not be a farmer and a rancher...or a man can not be a father and a husband. You are missing the point about man. How do you think Adam worked the fields. He needed dominion of the animals to control them. Look in the mirror you tell me why you think we have dominion over the animals. Adam had dominion over the animals he named them. If you re-read Gen 2 you will see where God took "the man" Adam and placed him in the garden.

The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam [g] no suitable helper was found.


So you are telling me that since Gen 2 is a continuation of Chapter 1 then God created a second race of animals? Gen 2 : 'formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air" and if there is another race of people and they did not eat of the tree of knowledge then they will not die since Adam and Eve were the only ones that ate of it.

Here are the verses containing birds and beasts.

24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

If you logic is that Adam had no dominion of the animals then you are saying that the animals rule us today. You have to have dominion over the animals to garden and farm. Have you ever tried to keep the critters out of your garden? If so how did you do it? Did you scare them away? Why may be because you have dominion over them and they fear you.

Why do you over look verse 4 in Chapter 2 it clearly tells you that this is another account.
[b]4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens-


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