http://www.rapturealert.com/2008/072708takenvideo.asp


...............................................benny

It is very sad that people spend time making videos like this one, but do not take the time to read the context or meaning of the verse they want to use to back up their video.

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,


Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away[color="#8B0000"][/color]; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


Mat 24:41 Two [women shall be] grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.


It is clear this speaks of two groups one being " NOAH" and the other being " THEY"

THEY eat and drank etc until NOAH entered the ark and the FLOOD TOOK THEM ALL AWAY.

The flood did not take noah away, the flood took THEM away= It killed them. Those " taken" in this scripture are not the rightous in a rapture but the wicked are taken in the wrath unto death.



However it is good to note that this event IS after the tribulation of those days which we also see when we read the whole context and not just pull out the little verse that helps us so we can add whatever timing we want to it and make the characters who we want them to be.


Mat 24:29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Mat 24:32 ¶ Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:


Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors.


Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.


Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.


Mat 24:36 ¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,


Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


Mat 24:41 Two [women shall be] grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

I'll be the first to say that you do not know what you are talking about
You, as all post tribbers twist scriptures.....As the old saying goes..."you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink the water"

Posttribulationism Does Not Allow Sufficient Time for Events Which

Must Occur between the Rapture and Christ's Return to Earth


Scripture indicates that there are a number of events which must intervene the rapture and Christ's return to earth; events which occur in heaven, and events which occur on earth. In heaven, there is the judgment seat (0 'pa) of Christ (2 Cor. 5:10; Rom. 14:10; 1 Cor. 3:9-15; 4:5), and the marriage and wedding ceremonies of the bride and Bridegroom (Rev. 19:7-9). Some see the wedding supper occurring in heaven during the tribulation period.[36] For others, it occurs on earth after the second advent.[37]


Events which must occur on earth are the judgment of Israel and the Gentiles, and the conversion of national Israel as well as Gentiles who will populate the millennial kingdom. The conversion of Israel poses no problem to posttribulationism. Israel will likely be converted in a day (Isa. 66:8), at the last moment when they see Christ returning (Zech. 12:10- 14). However, this does not account for the regenerate state of the 144,000 and perhaps other Jews who constitute the "brothers" of Christ during the tribulation period (Mat 25:40). This "treatment-of-Christ's-brothers" scenario requires a period of time.


Furthermore, saved Gentiles at the end of the tribulation who populate the millennium are best explained by a period of time. At the second advent Christ judges the nations and puts "the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left" (Matt. 25:31-33). The goats are consigned to "eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels" (though Gundry has permitted some of them to enter the kingdom!). The sheep He invites to "inherit the kingdom" (Matt. 25:34). The basis of their judgment and entrance into the kingdom is their treatment of Christ's "brothers" which is said to be their treatment of Christ: "to the extent that you did it to one these brothers of mine... you did it unto Me" (Matt. 25:40).


What did they do? They fed them when they were hungry, gave drink when they were thirsty, invited them in when they were strangers, clothed them when they were naked, visited when they were sick, and came to them when they were in prison (Matt. 25:35-36). All of this could hardly take place at the last moment, in the twinkling of an eye, between a posttrib rapture and the second advent of Christ. It is out of the question to place these activities during the millennium. The only other scenario is a pretribulational one. But Matthew says this judgment occurs "when the Son of Man comes in His glory" (Matt. 25:31). This is posttribulational. This judgment then, pertains to events and deeds which occur during the tribulation period.


It is reasonable therefore, to identify Christ's "brothers" as the 144,000 Jews who must be placed in the tribulation, not after it. Posttribulationism has no satisfactory solution to this problem. Events which must take place on earth necessitate time which a posttrib rapture does not allow.


So also, events in heaven. Regardless of whether the wedding supper takes place in heaven or on earth,[38] other events which must occur in heaven necessitate a measure of time. One such event is the judgment seat of Christ. As Dr. Walvoord says: "this judgment, important as it is, precedes the return to earth and could hardly be accomplished during the process of the Second Advent itself."[39] To avoid this problem, Gundry places this judgment after the millennium and considers it synonymous with the great white throne, and the judgment of the nations.[40] But the evidence does not support one postmillennial general judgment.


If the marriage of the Lamb and consummation of the marriage follow the custom of Jewish wedding ceremonies as many suggest,[41] it is clear that a period of time must occur. Part of this procedure is for the Bridegroom to come and receive the bride and take her to the Father's house (Jn. 14:1-3). This is impossible with a posttrib rapture. The promise of the rapture is not that the church will ascend in the air to welcome and receive Christ (as a dignitary, after the fashion of Hellenistic formal receptions), but for Christ to receive the church and take her to the Father's house. I have in my possession a clever "memo" which my wife gave me.[42] It reads:


MEMO

Gone to Father's house

to prepare your place.

Will be back soon

to pick you up.

Jesus

14TH CHAPTER, JOHN


The point of John 14:1-3 is that He is coming to take us to the place He has prepared. A posttribulational rapture does not leave time even for this, let alone the wedding ceremony and consummation of the marriage (see endnote 11 for a response to Moo on this).


Ladd cites W. G. Moorehead who asks, "What becomes of (the saints) and of the Lord whom they encounter in the air (at the rapture)? Do they abide there? No, their stay in the air is brief, - - momentary .... Christ does not return to heaven with His saints; He comes on with them to the earth."[43] But this explanation simply doesn't allow sufficient time for intervening events.


Posttribulationism Does Not Adequately Explain the Differences and Discrepancies between the Rapture and the Second Coming Passages


Others have given excellent discussions of this issue.[44] I merely point out here that the inconsistencies and omissions in the rapture and return passages place the burden of proof on posttribulationism. The differences and discrepancies are a greater problem to posttribulationism than are the similarities to pretribulationism. Dr. Paul Feinberg makes a strong case for this in his presentation of the pretrib rapture position.[45]


In response to Feinberg, Moo solves the problems of "omissions" by (1) placing the church in the Olivet Discourse, (2) ignoring the force of itpi. 6 in 1 Thessalonians 5:1, and (3) locating the resurrection of the church in Revelation 20:4 which is clearly postmillennial. For Moo, the differences in messages of hope and comfort in rapture passages, and warnings of judgment in return passages is explained by selectivity based on the writer's present purpose.[46] But this simply yields the point pretribs are making. In the end, Moo admits that "omissions can suggest that different events are involved. .."[47]


Moo further admits that "a greater problem, as Feinberg points out, are inconsistencies."[48] Moo concedes that f the differences are irreconcilable, they virtually demand that the events be understood as different events. He then proceeds to give one improbable interpretation after another in response to Feinberg' s arguments[49] to show that the differences are not irreconcilable. It is one thing to hold a view in which one of the supporting arguments is a bit weak or unlikely. It is quite another thing to hold a view on the strength of a cluster of unlikely interpretations.


Posttribulationism has yet to explain the differences and discrepancies (omissions and inconsistencies) between rapture contexts and return contexts. The burden of proof is on posttribulationism.


Addressing Revelation 8-16, Ladd says: "There is no pretribulation rapture in this prophecy. The only description of the second coming of Christ in the book of Revelation is His glorious coming in chapter 19; and the Rapture of the Church is altogether omitted."[50] I have written in the margin of the book, "thank you, Dr. Ladd. This is precisely the point!"
..................................................benny

Now we know Jesus tells us that there will be times of great tribulation;

Matt 24:21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


But look at what he tells us next;


29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers
of the heavens shall be shaken:

30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds
of heaven with power and great glory.

31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


First I must ask, Just how many times will Christ gather His elect?

And at which trump will all of these things spoken of take place?


I Cor 15:52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


And what is the number of the last trumpet that will sound, at which time all will be complete?


Rev 8:17. 2. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

6. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Rev 11:15. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his
Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Please take note of ALL that is being said here, especially when the gathering of the elect takes place. Jesus tells us with His own mouth that it will be, ‘Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days…’, and, ‘…then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven…’ and ‘…gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.’, ’… In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump…’ Need more proof? Let’s go to II Thes;


II Thes 2:1. Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.



So here we have Paul, writing to the Thessalonians about the coming of the Lord, warning them not to let any man deceive them by any means. He then goes on to tell them that the day of the Lords coming SHALL NOT COME, until the Abomination Of Desolation (AOD) is revealed. He also let’s us know it will be at that time we are gathered unto him. Let’s read quickly about this gathering of saints!

In the book of Zechariah we are given glimpse of end time events;


Zech 14:1. Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

4. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof ..

5. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; …and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.


And now in the NT;


Acts 1:11. Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like
manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

12. Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.


Would you not say that this too is a one time event? Just how many one time events can there be? How many times can Jesus return to the mount of Olives? And who will be with Him when He returns? I wonder how many gatherings of the saints will there be? My guess is (1)!!!

Col 3:4. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

I Thes 4:14. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.




So, putting this all into perspective, we have the following;


The ‘great tribulation will begin when the AOD comes on the scene and is revealed. Dan 7:25.

Jesus CANNOT return before the time of ‘great tribulation’. Matt 24:29.

The ‘great tribulation’ or ‘times of trouble’ will last for 3.5 years. Dan 12:7.

Jesus states himself that He will return, AFTER the great tribulation. Matt 24:30.

When Jesus returns, it will be at that time He gathers the saints. Matt 24:31, Zach 14:5 & II Thes 2:1.

The gathering of the saints does not happen until the last trumpet sounds. I Cor15:52.

The 7th trumpet is the last one. Which means (6) will sound prior to Christ 2nd coming. Rev 11:15

When Jesus does return, it will be to the mount of Olives. Zach 14:11 & Acts 1:11-12.



Jesus warns His disciples to, ’…Take heed that no man deceive you.’. Paul warns the Thessalonians, ‘…Let no man deceive you by any means‘. My question to you is, have you been deceived? Is it really possible for Christ to come back at a moments notice? Tomorrow? Today? At this very moment? Without any warnings or signs what so ever? And how about the ‘rapture’ of the saints before the ‘time of trouble’ and ‘great tribulation‘? Is this still your belief? Well, if you do not know the answer to these questions by now, I guess what the scriptures says is true; for some, Jesus will come as a thief in the night.


I Thes 5:2. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Rev 3:3. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. IF THEREFORE THOU SHALT NOT WATCH, I WILL COME ON THEE AS A
THIEF, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.



But let’s read what the scriptures has to say for those that did what Jesus said, ‘…whoso readeth, let him understand),;



I Thes 5:4. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.



Just something to think about!!!!

Ecc amen




the problem here with all you posted benny is that #1 it didnt deal with the actual topic of who the scripture in matt says the " taken " are. This is not a rapture issue in general because i agree there will be a rapture we just disagree on the timing, but the " taken" in that verse does not speak to those in Christ but those who are taken by wrath into death just as in noahs day.


the 2nd problem is that this long thing you posted begins with the worst assumption that is never found in the bible which is that there are all these certian things that MUST happen BETWEEN the rapture and end but that is just assumption. The only thing that must happen between the rapture and anything else is the wrath of God in the day of the Lord which is not tribulation. all the events mentioned in that thing do not require the rapture to happen first and most of them are irroneous from the onset not having any understanding of end time events and peoples and purposes.

Thanks! Just trying to put out there what is in the scriptures!

Everyone argues pre, mid and post rapture when we need to look at the fact that there is more than one rapture in fact there has already been 3 documented raptures Enoch, Elijah, the dead who rose when Jesus was resurrected. Look at the scriptures in revelation, there are 3 different times that are shown to be raptures. First one in rev 3:10(these are only saved from the HOUR of trial) then in rev 7:9 at the sixth seal which by the way is a polar shift which is about to happen our wobble has always been at 23 degrees and we are now at 49 degrees go outside and watch where the sun and moon set everyday now every 3rd 4th day they rise and set way off. then in rev 15:2 just before the 7 vials of God's wrath. The seals are now being broken and must be broken before trib even begins. According to the psalms trib begins the last part of 2010, the great pyramid backs this up. From my studies first rapture is sometime this year the beloved is delivered and Jerusalem is divided psalm 108, then the anti christ appears in 2009 psalm 109 is the only psalm where satan is even mentioned, then towards the end of 2009 feast of trumpets the main rapture occurs, then at passover in 2010 the 2 witness's appear according to scripture they appear before trib begins. Then the last 7 year period begins towards the end of 2010. Great trib starts in 2014 and ends in 2017 the psalms back this up. A video to watch is the dark rift on youtube.com

Hey Benny seeing that you feel you will be chosen,,,and will depart from us in the rapture

Heres some food for thought

Mark 13:9 "But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them."

These places are the synagogues of Satan, those religious places where people gather to practice their religious traditions. You will be drilled thoroughly for the sake of converting you to the ways of the false christ. Everything that they do to you will be for the sake of Christ's Word, and your position that you take to defend His Word. Thus the fith seal is you being used as a testimony against these religious rulers and leaders. Your testimony is against those that claim to be of the true Christ, when in fact they are teaching the doctrines of Satan, that will lead people to follow him.

Any time someone claims to be of Christ, and does not teach all of God's Word, look out for them. Be very careful, especially when they try to maneuver you into their traditions that go against God's Word, and they make void the prophecies of the Word. That is your destiny friend, to become a witness for God's Word.

Mark 13:10 "And the gospel must first be published among all nations."

This is not happening today, but at a time in the near future when trial are going forth, and the elect is being singled out, and then the Holy Spirit of God will be speaking through His elect and fingering Satan out to be the false messiah.

Mark 13:11 "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."


So I guess I can safely assume you are not a elect correct?????I mean after all the elects will be brung before Satan where the SPIRIT will speak threw them to Satan and others......

So where will you be?? it sound like your going to be playing cloud tag while the zodak are in the biggest battle ever.....

........NIGHTMARE

The problem that I see with your post here is that you seem to think that the tribulation saints are the Bride of Jesus Christ.That is not true.When we except Jesus as our Savior,we are sealed By the Holy Spirit.If you have'nt excepted Him...obviously, one does not get raptured.But there will be a great multitude who will come to the Lord after the rapture.The sad thing about this is, that it about to happen, and you cannot see this.
Another thing that most of you fail to recognize is that the book of Matthew was directed to the Jews.....
The scriptures that you post, have been explained in it's correct interpretation to post tribbers many times.Yet your refutation is weak at best.
You have a spirit of error.I am reminded that satan quoted and twisted scriptures to our Lord Jesus back in the day.....and now he uses you for the same purpose.
.................................................benny

Hey lesliefain! How are you?
I agree with you that Enoch and Eliahja was raptured.
But the 500 brethren who arose from their graves were resurrected, and not caught up into heaven in changed bodies.These 500 brethren are seen as the first wave offering of the first fruits.I can explain more on this but at this moment I am being brief.
I do not know a whole lot about this polar shift.But I heard that it will happen in 2012, and is strongly believed by Jack Kelly on Gracethrufaith.com
The seals are not yet broken.
Take notice that the races from all over the globe who were redeemed by the Blood of Jesus are present in heaven "BEFORE" the first seal was ever broken or opened.read revelation 5 very closely.these details are eye opening.
I do find it interesting that you believe that the rapture will happen this year.
According to what I have been able to discern.....I too have come to the same conclusion.I will check out the video that you mentioned....it sounds interesting,and from what you described....it seems to be fairly accurate.

....................................................benny

Well time is a great tester,,,and im 100% there wont be no rapture by the end of this year or any other year,,,if you were closer Benny I would bet you lunch on it,,,,,however you never answered my question....

You have rejected the truth in God's Word Time after Time again,And for this reason,I will no longer..............."Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7:6

.....................................................benny

Sounds more like you dont have a answer,,,,Get of your high horse dude,,the garbage you are pushing isnt pearls,,,,Christ was reffering to the true doctrine of God,,not your bull crap rapture doctrine...

I pointed out how God said his elects will be delivered to preach against Satan/antichrist,,,,So if you are not going to be doing this,,,you aint no elect .... And since you said of your own mouth that you will be raptured before Satan/antichrist arrives,,you can preach against him...

So I guess your not a elect,,,,,simple...

And I pointed out that you are a waste of my time...You reject obvious truth, and most on this forum can see this.There are some on this forum who are in error as to the truth on endtimes interpretation.But none here can touch your erroneous interpretation with a silver spoon.....as I stated before....I will not continue to cast pearls before swine.

....................................................benny

great video!

HELLO BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND GREETINGS IN THE ONLY NAME UNDER HEAVEN IN WHICH WE CAN BE SAVED-JESUS MESSIAH,GLORY TO YOUR HOLY NAME LORD.
MY QUESTION IS THIS IF WE ARE HERE THROUGH THE TRIBULATION,THEN DUE YOU THINK WE'LL KNOW THAT IT HAS STARTED?IF SO WILL WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT SIGNS TO LOOK FOR IE:SEVEN SEALS,SEVEN VIALS,SEVEN TRMPETS?AND WE'LL ALREADY KNOW WHEN ARRMAGEDON WILL BEGIN,SO WHAT ARE WE TO WATCH FOR>?AND CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN 1 THESS 5:3-PEACE AND SAFTEY?DURING THE TRIB?OH AND 1 MORE THING HOW CAN WE PERFROM 1 THESS 4:18,HOW CAN I COMFORT A BROTHER OUR SISTER IN CHRIST AND TELL THEM THAT THEY WILL GO THROUGH GODS JUDGEMENT UPON THE EARTH,WHEN WE ARE REDEAMED?I LOVE U ALL AND MEAN NO DISREPECT AND I DO NOT MEAN OFFENSE,BUT I THINK THAT BEING CAUGHT AWAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT/DAY TO BE WITH MY KING IS WELL........JUST AWESOME.

Rapture ready can't put the prophecy together.

Isa28

9: Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10: For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12: To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13: But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Jesus can't come until the GT is over with.

Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31: And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

How in the Heck can a person be raptured before he come?

Jesus said he will raised us up at the last day.

Jn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

is the GT the last day?

it look to me the last day HAS to be after the GT seeing we are without a sun and a moon.

rightly divide the scriptures brother benny

I hope you dont cast your pearls before swine,,,the thing is im not swine,,,strong words for someone who cant answer a simple question......Most of the forum can see what????I dont know many on this forum but most of the people I read stuff from dont believe in the rapture.....None can touch my interpretation??? Gee thanks What you may not understand is this is a debate im not rejecting Christ,or any other truths I am a honest seeker of the knowledge of God BOOM so you can put that swine scripture back in your bible and use it at a proper time cause this aint it....

So are you an elect or not ????? from the way your responding and the big sky vacation your planning it would seem not