Signs of the times? Should we be getting ready?

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I think that along with many others, that there are dark clouds on the horizon...the days of judgement are indeed coming on the world. I also think that we as Christians should be wise with the foreknowledge that God has given us of the coming events.

God will provide for us in times of need, and we should also be prepared because we know what is coming. There are a few on these boards that take this sort of thing serious, and are preparing by setting aside some storable foods and learning how to grow your own food etc. What happens in the event of war in the Middle East (and we know this is coming) and the cost of fuel becomes out of reach or even unavailable to the public? How are we to receive product in our stores if they can't be delivered or deliveries are few? I am not trying to be an alarmest, but these days are coming. I know that we as Christians will get through the days ahead by helping each other and by being our brothers keeper. It will be harder on those who live in cities of course, and easier on those who live in farming communities...especially those who don't rely on fuel for farming. Back to the days of horse and buggy I guess.

Did I hear someone say Amish?

Anyway, I am posting this as food for thought.

Earendel... definitely food for thought. I have had this on my mind for some time. My uncle is one of those alarmist people.. he is a conspiracy theorist too, but he also said that they are stockpiling (they are Christians) and they grow their own garden, harvest their own foods, etc. They live in Maine and now is the growing season. I know many that grow and can things so that they have it for the winter...

I often wonder if it's worth it, though. I mean, eventually food runs out, water runs out, gasoline will be scarce, there will be nobody there to maintain your dwelling, etc. So what to do then? I mean, we'll all be in the same boat, so to speak. I don't think it's right to do nothing, I think we should all do something, but we'd need a palace with underground tunnels like Saddam had in order to keep food for a long time, and if there is no electricity (say nuclear war), then how to keep food from spoiling? There is only so long that food will last and eating potato chips eventually gets old...

There would be rampant looting and martial law would be in effect and most likely take your things from you at gunpoint. I know, not a nice thought, but it is not improbable or impossible. I really don't know... there is a part of me that wants to put all my savings into stocking things, but then I wouldn't be relying on the God of my Salvation to protect me from the harm that is to come. Is that not having faith or being stupid? I would love to hear what others have to say.

Thanks for bringing this up... it's a great thought.

It is imperative that we prepare for what is ahead... every way that we can, as the Lord provides.

Earendel.. your spirit always! gives food for thought! I do not say it lightly! May the Lord bless you!!

Just how did those in the "Little House on the Prairie" days do it? They did it...and survived.

We can to, if we're willing to live as they did.

Root cellars, ice houses, springs, wells, hoes, shovels, cutting wood...it's all good hard work that keeps a body busy and not doing things that come from being a little too idle.

Wasn't the ground cursed FOR Adam's sake? I know one day I was out hoeing in the small, pitiful garden I have and thought about the interesting parallel between weeds, and sin in my life. Catch 'em small and they're easier to get rid of. Let 'em grow and the roots sink in.

May the Lord bless us with wisdom.

In Christ,

Mike

P.S. There are many books at Amazon.com about root cellaring, gardens, survival...pick out a few and bone up a bit. (That's what I've done.)

I think the information posted here OVER a year ago.....................might be helpful to review. So, I am posting a link to a thread started March 2007.


http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=10284

if you have a good Scanner you should be able to tap into to the uhf frequency the FBI use and you will be able to find out if they are stock pilling

but is it not there job to look out for your country from any possible threats and then do what ever they can to eliminate the threat ?

the army stock piles food so why cant the FBI And CIA do this


the parliment house in canberra is well stocked and they have their own bunkers their is enough food to last for our prime minister and the polaticans and the ones who end up on the list



i was told by a close friend he said he could have helped him self to servral botles of rum and scotch and burban if he wanted to but he decided not to


yes farmers stock pile and they are good at making their food last and can live of the land

so i cant see why we cant do this our selves we have been acustomed to the ways of this world we depend on the supermarkets and we dont see what goes behind the scences to get the food to us to were we are able to feed our familys

you can grow vegtables in your own back yard and if you do not have dirt you can grow the same vegtables you buy in your local market

all you need is the will and then the know how and you are on your way

i have done this when i use to live in a block of units and i have a good mate who lives of the land


you can even bread the very same fish you buy you dont need a big pond in your back yard


you can learn this by going to uni or from a farmer



organic is the best way to go we have organic food sold were i live and i love the tamtoes and the potatoes and the other vegtables grown from this one farmer and you dont pay high prices like you do in your local supper market

i pickle my own tomatoes and onions and qucumbers and paprika and i do a mean good egg plant i pickle the egg plant and have this on sandwhiches pepers are easy to pickle as well


i can do my own salami and pork and snags being eurpoean i learnt this from my father and he learnt this from his father its passed on to the boys





God bless from damo

There are a few farmers among us..Damo, wow..you're exotic. And Mike...keep digging. My Dad always use to tell me that the secret was in the soil. Compost!

We have enough food to get by about 3 months... The fridge stuff first. Then the freezer. Then all the canned stuff you got on sale.

But it does say there would be seed time and harvest UNTIL that great and terribal day of the Lord. So l think the until gives us a clue. We need to know him and how to trust his voice. Start practicing now.

Does it say that somewheres? UNTIL?

It says "give us this day our daily bread" Also the Israelites were kept in provision in a wilderness setting. I would expect a replay I could bet on.

friday, 2 days ago,
on the news,
orders of durable goods (stoves, refrigerators, appliances, etc) were up a little more than expected,,,,,,,but a lot of the increase was from US GOVT DEFENSE

what does that mean?............war?

Genesis 8:22
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

I suppose that would be until these verses come to pass:

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 3:12
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

In Christ,

Mike

P.S. I wonder if that simply means that the Sun will go nova with a boom and swallow the earth just enough to burn and melt its crust and destroy its atmosphere (heavens), then recede? Then the Lord would make them new again? I'm just thinking out loud.

Isaiah 65:17
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isaiah 66:22
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. (Interesting spiritual parallel.)

2 Peter 3:13
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

I suppose it could be everything above our heads, so-to-speak:

Hebrews 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

37 "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.
38 "For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
40 "Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
41 " Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.
42 "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming.

But it also says..

21 The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, "I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.
22

"While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
And cold and heat,
And summer and winter,
And day and night
Shall not cease."

So how long does the earth remain?

copied from above posts:
But it does say there would be seed time and harvest UNTIL that great and terribal day of the Lord. So l think the until gives us a clue. We need to know him and how to trust his voice. Start practicing now.

Does it say that somewheres? UNTIL?



Genesis 8:22
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.


my thoughts:
i hadn't thought of that, but on the other hand..........

genesis 8 was BEFORE the famine (7 lean years) of Joseph............when even Abraham and Israel were hungry, and bot food from Pharoah (or Joseph?)...........

and Joseph was commended for storing up 7 years of food.............

in the bible,
Joseph is a sinless type of Christ............there is not one mention of sin in Joseph's life.............i'm not saying that joseph was sinless (i'm saying that the Bible pictures him as sinless, as a TYPE of christ)

my point is:
it may not be a sin to have a savings account in the bank
and money buried in the back yard
and wheat grain in dry storage
and a rainy day fund
and a grain bin on the farm, full of wheat
pastures full of cattle
tools to work with
a good farm to till
skills and education to do a job
a nice barn to house your tractor and mule
an extended church-family that will help you, when you need help
a history of helping the poor and feeding the widows


we want to SOW love and helpfulness, so that we will REAP love and helpfulness.

if we live the Bible-Way, and if we suffer poverty and hunger,,,,,,,,,,we can honestly say:...........we did everything that we knew to do, as per Bible.............it's not our fault

if we violate our conscience, that's a big problem on Judgement Day

Does "Give us this day our daily bread" imply that we need not sow and reap?

Prepare "every way"... spiritually and physically. Do as the Lord leads.

Genesis 41 serves as a good example for preparing before a famine.

These are some words to live by:
Ephesians 4:28 (New King James Version)
28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need.

Here we see an admonition to work with our hands that which is good. We also see that that we are to give to him who has need. How are we to give to him that has need if we do not work, and how are we to give to him that has need if we do not store away for a time of need?

And again:

2 Corinthians 12:14 (New King James Version)

14 Now for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be burdensome to you; for I do not seek yours, but you. For the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.


Here the Apostle Paul talks about storing up…but in a spiritual sense. He uses that which is natural to make a spiritual point. If storing up were bad, he would not have used this analogy.

And again


1 Corinthians 16:2 (New International Reader's Version)
2 On the first day of every week, each of you should put some money away. The amount should be in keeping with how much money you make. Save the money (store it up) so that you won't have to take up an offering when I come.


In the early church, in the days of the Apostles, there was oneness of the Church. The gentile Church would send help to the Church in Jerusalem because of famine, and all Christians were one. There were not the divisions and lack of love for God and each other that we see in Churches today. Brotherly love and unity is what the Tribulation will bring about…the perfecting of the saints, the time when those who call themselves Christians are true Christians in deed…for no one else will want to call themselves Christians, because of the persecution. It is not a sin to plan for tomorrow, neither is it a sin to store up against the evil day that is coming. Be wise with what we have while it is still within our ability, for the evil day will surely come…when famine and war and pestilence will overtake the earth.

Yes...Genesis 41 it is the perfect example to us.

To "give us our daily bread" is to receive His Word...every day, just as we need nournishment...every day.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

So, as you pointed out....we must prepare both spiritually and physically. Notice that the above scripture doesn't tell us that the Words of the Lord will be the famine but rather....the HEARING of those Words will be the famine. Go to churches today and notice how few words of the Lord you hear! One or two sentences and then....blah, blah, blah.