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Simple
Deu 12:23 Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood [is] the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.
24 Thou shalt not eat it; thou shalt pour it upon the earth as water.
25 Thou shalt not eat it; that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, when thou shalt do [that which is] right in the sight of the LORD.



Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.

What is the OT Law concerning blood in meat a type and shadow of, please?
IAMlives
QUOTE (Simple @ Jul 26 2008, 01:21 PM) *
Deu 12:23 Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood [is] the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.
24 Thou shalt not eat it; thou shalt pour it upon the earth as water.
25 Thou shalt not eat it; that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, when thou shalt do [that which is] right in the sight of the LORD.



Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.

What is the OT Law concerning blood in meat a type and shadow of, please?


Not sure of a type or shadow, but I know the OT states that *the life is in the blood*. Also, the warning is given that those who do these things, that blood will be required of them. (they will be judged for it)
Idolatrous rituals include drinking of blood or eating bloody meat...it's a sacrilege...and very sickening, to say the least.
Simple
I'm trying to understand the symbolism really.

I guess blood symbolizes the Soul, which is eternal,
and flesh symbolizes those things which perish.

Come in C...
dennis mann
Lev 1:5 And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Lev 1:6 And he shall flay the burnt offering, and cut it into his pieces.
Lev 1:7 And the sons of Aaron the priest shall put fire upon the altar, and lay the wood in order upon the fire:
Lev 1:8 And the priests, Aaron's sons, shall lay the parts, the head, and the fat, in order upon the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar:
Lev 1:9 But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.
Lev 1:10 And if his offering be of the flocks, namely, of the sheep, or of the goats, for a burnt sacrifice; he shall bring it a male without blemish


IN A BURNT OFFERING, IT MUST BE A BLOODY SACRIFICE,,,,,,,,,,,THE BLOOD IS SPRINKLED ON THE ALTAR

THE LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD.

THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH.

BLOOD = LIFE

INCENSE = PRAYER

THE THANK OFFERING or PEACE OFFERING was a bloodless scarifice (vegetable, grain, sheaf, etc), a sign of a happy relationship with your Heavenly King,,,,,,,,,,,but the sin offering must be the animal (bloody) sacifice.

from peloubet's bible dictionary
Simple
Thanks Dennis
whirlwind
QUOTE (Simple @ Jul 26 2008, 02:21 PM) *
Deu 12:23 Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood [is] the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.
24 Thou shalt not eat it; thou shalt pour it upon the earth as water.
25 Thou shalt not eat it; that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, when thou shalt do [that which is] right in the sight of the LORD.



Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.

What is the OT Law concerning blood in meat a type and shadow of, please?



I saw your question last night and couldn't find an answer but this morning My Bible opened on the page containing the following and the scripture had previously been highlighted...As the following was shown to me at this time then perhaps it was also meant for you and will help.

Leviticus 19:19 Ye shall keep My statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

Mingled - Another lesson here as to mingling the clean and unclean, human and Divine, flesh and spirit. ~ E.W. Bullinger


"Flesh and Spirit" or "Clean and Unclean." If blood is the life - spirit, it is the Clean and the Flesh is the unclean. So...don't mingle clean with unclean or blood with flesh. Or...Don't eat (consume) the blood (spirit) with your flesh which is your "field"....Don't allow your flesh, or carnal nature, to consume your spirit. Do "not eat the life with the flesh" [Deu.12:23]

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editing to add....I just noticed that scripture Lev. 19:19. The #19 means...
It is a combination of 10 and 9, and would denote the perfection of Divine order connected with judgment. ~ Numbers in Scripture.

Blood and Flesh is Spirit and Judgment
Simple
thanks Judi...am still mulching it over !
C
QUOTE (Simple @ Jul 26 2008, 09:21 PM) *
Deu 12:23 Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood [is] the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.
24 Thou shalt not eat it; thou shalt pour it upon the earth as water.
25 Thou shalt not eat it; that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, when thou shalt do [that which is] right in the sight of the LORD.



Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.

What is the OT Law concerning blood in meat a type and shadow of, please?


I was thinking the same as what WW posted about the spirit and the flesh. Not to eat the "life" with the "flesh" would mean not to mix your life in Christ with your carnal nature.

To pour the blood as water on the earth as water. Water brings life to the earth when we pour it on. In the end, it will be the Word (water) , which contains the life (blood) of Jesus, which will bring eternal life to our bodies, only when we "pour" the Word onto our lives.


Interesting question Simple and I think there is much more still to be discovered about this.

your brother
C



Simple
Thanks C, WW, DM and everyone for your input.

WW, you say


Blood = Life = Spirit
and Flesh = Carnal Nature = Death

Is it a metaphor for all OT Israel,

eating the flesh of the law withouth the blood of the law?

Having a Law unto death?

C
QUOTE (Simple @ Jul 28 2008, 01:58 AM) *
Thanks C, WW, DM and everyone for your input.

WW, you say


Blood = Life = Spirit
and Flesh = Carnal Nature = Death

Is it a metaphor for all OT Israel,

eating the flesh of the law withouth the blood of the law?

Having a Law unto death?


Simple, in the OT it was meant as a literal law (They "drew" the picture for us, by doing something and now we have to look and see what it means in the spirit )

In the NT it has the spiritual meaning. Its always first the literal. (OT)............... and then the spiritual. (NT)

But in a way you are right as well , because Jesus did tell them that they are not living the spirit , but only the letter. Jesus also came to show us the way of the spirit.Like when He said its not what goes into a man that makes him unclean, but what goes out of a man (coming from the heart) They only saw the letter of the Law and did not "get" the real meaning.

C

Simple
I see the Mosaic Covenant as a 'dead meat' Covenant.

Only when we drink the wine (blood) of the New Covenant can we enter into life.

The Mosaic Covenant was based on a 'Law unto death.'

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I started the thread thinking about 1 particular thing, and it has now taken on alife of its own! biggrin.gif
whirlwind
QUOTE (Simple @ Jul 27 2008, 06:58 PM) *
Thanks C, WW, DM and everyone for your input.

WW, you say


Blood = Life = Spirit
and Flesh = Carnal Nature = Death

Is it a metaphor for all OT Israel,

eating the flesh of the law withouth the blood of the law?

Having a Law unto death?



I didn't see it as deeply as you have Simple. To me, it just meant....sinning in your flesh body will cause death of your spirit. As they, (OT times) didn't have Christ to offer salvation they had to follow the law to achieve spiritual life. (Of course, He did go back and offer that salvation to all those that died before His time on earth....but they didn't know He would do that).


But, if you "eat the flesh of the law without the blood of the law," or Christ....it would be, as you say.... following a law unto death! I guess you could say that following a law and doing, or living, a law are different things. What comes to mind are the "holier than thou" folks that follow the law without living the truth, the depth the....blood, of the law.


Thank you Simple for bringing more understanding to this.
Simple
Hi judi.

i don't know whether Ive bought more understanding or not.

I actually raised this subject in order to study proverbs 30.


Pro 30:1 ¶ The words of Agur the son of Jakeh, [even] the prophecy: the man spake unto Ithiel, even unto Ithiel and Ucal,



I notiuced that it appears to dovetail with Revelation.


Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.


So with this in mind, I wondered what we are to make of the bloodsucker prophecy.(Not the hudsucker proxy)

Pro 30:15 The horseleach hath two daughters, [crying], Give, give. There are three [things that] are never satisfied, [yea], four [things] say not, [It is] enough:

Is it about the Holy Spirit being sucked out of the Church?
And is that what we are witnessing right now?
Miki
QUOTE (C @ Jul 28 2008, 09:48 AM) *
QUOTE (Simple @ Jul 28 2008, 01:58 AM) *
Thanks C, WW, DM and everyone for your input.

WW, you say


Blood = Life = Spirit
and Flesh = Carnal Nature = Death

Is it a metaphor for all OT Israel,

eating the flesh of the law withouth the blood of the law?

Having a Law unto death?


Simple, in the OT it was meant as a literal law (They "drew" the picture for us, by doing something and now we have to look and see what it means in the spirit )

In the NT it has the spiritual meaning. Its always first the literal. (OT)............... and then the spiritual. (NT)

But in a way you are right as well , because Jesus did tell them that they are not living the spirit , but only the letter. Jesus also came to show us the way of the spirit.Like when He said its not what goes into a man that makes him unclean, but what goes out of a man (coming from the heart) They only saw the letter of the Law and did not "get" the real meaning.

C


Interesting Marcus...

C, l would say that the things in the NT have a flavor all their own. I think the OT is a tool for understanding but every point needn't be interpreted. If we try to interpret that way then we're right back to the letter again....trying to systematically figure it out.

I had a Jewish man teach me to make bread. He doesn't follow the recipes. I used the idea to make a spiritual point with him. His breads have their own special signature. Even though he doesn't follow the recipe he still uses the basic components. This can be done when you understand the science of bread making. Scripture interpretation has basic components but doesn't always follow exact inderstanding in the natural.

I've seen a piece here and a piece there. God does it with pictures to give us understanding. You may have part of a story have spiritual meaning and the other part nothing but support girders. We have to know when to not try and force something to fit... or create something with our imaginations. I'm reminded of it daily...

But l guess it goes back to having two or more witness to the point. By that l mean to have other things that support the interpretation notion. Shekel gives many examples in his work..more than one thing confirms his conclusions.

If l have a dream or vision and try to interpret it but have no supporting evidence l'm spinning my wheels. The Lord will bring the supporting evidence in time through situations or others. To ignore these things is the same as ignoring the spiritual interpretation of unfulfilled mysteries. God speaks to individuals and confirms it for good reasons.

God can begin speaking through a man and give him great revelation knowledge about scripture. But he keeps hitting up against a wall. People aren't recieving it... WHY? Is it the enemy? Yes..probably a lot of times. But God allows it. Why? Because when you ignore the work that God does through others and think you have the market on understanding then you will receive what you dole out.

I'm not saying this about certain people so don't take it personally because this applies to many many people. I've seen it clear as day. God comes to each where they're at and if a thing is confirmed again and again through scripture first and secondly through the ordinary gifting in people and you refuse to acknowledge it God will allow the same thing to happen to you.

Now this happens on all kinds of levels in life. Who's your friend? Do you patronize in ministry or do you form strong personal bonds. I'm not talking about the forum but your local ministries. I believe that nothing turns God off more than this. Then we go around doing the work but God's spirit isn't there. God raises up our personal ministries to fruit level when we do unto others as we want done to us.

Sorry Marcus...didn't mean to distract...it just seemed to raise to the surface.
Miki
sort of like this

QUOTE
The French philosopher Montaigne, writing quite apart from Christian revelation, said, "Every man carries within himself the history of the world." By that he meant that history is simply a written record of what is already written in the confines of the human heart. The history of the world is only an extension of any individual life. The book of Ezekiel traces the causes of the captivity of the nation Israel, and why it was in so much trouble. This is the story of the nation, but it is the story of any individual as well. And because it is the story of any individual, it is the story of the whole of mankind. The books of the Old Testament were written with this principle in mind. They are, therefore, extremely valuable for us -- what happens to the nation is exactly what happens to us. By looking carefully, we can see our problems and circumstances exemplified in the problems and circumstance set forth in these books.
http://www.pbc.org/files/messages/3097/0226.html

Miki
In other words our own life teaches us

and prophetic nations teach us.

Our own life is not negated from giving us a revelation of world events. God is no respecter of persons and will give one whos heart is rightly turned the same revelation he gives another only in a different language with signs following.

One may be more complex and yet it teaches the same thing. In fact!
Sometimes he gives the simple more.
IAM4given
While it is true that life is in physical blood and our God forbids us to consume it in the natural, He desires more we consume the figurative/spiritual blood of His Son, what we might have communion with Him; the only blood that saves us. That's what that points to.
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