Can it Really Happen Tomorrow?

The second coming of Christ! Can it really happen tomorrow? Or, how about right now….at this very moment? Is it possible? Well, contrary to what most Christians believe, Christ’s second coming, or, “the rapture“, as some call it, cannot happen tomorrow. Nor can it happen this very second. Yes, you read correctly! It’s impossible!! Christ’s second return (Please note the scriptures ONLY speak of a 2nd return, not a 3rd or a 4th.) can ONLY happen if the signs that God has given us in His word have taken place. Now with that said, as of the writing of this lesson; 26 July 2008, I can say without any doubt in my mind…make that, I can guarantee, that Christ’s return WILL NOT happen any sooner than 26 July 2011!! That’s right!!! I said I can guarantee IT!! And I will prove it through the word of God!!


So do I have your attention yet? Good!! That’s what I was hoping for. Now before you start calling me a blasphemer and a whole bunch of other names, please hear me out and read this entire lesson. Trust me, I am not crazy! And no, I am not dealing with any secret codes hidden in the bible. The truth I am about to share with you is clearly written in the Holy Scriptures. And the scriptures clearly states that certain events MUST take place before the coming of the Lord. And until those events happen, Jesus CAN NOT RETURN!!! Why? Because, it is “…impossible for God to lie…”, Heb 6:18.


As church going families, I’m sure we all have been taught that Jesus’ second coming could happen any day now…even any second. And I must admit, for a long time I was living with the fear that, at any moment Christ could come back to earth to pass judgment on us all. But is the ‘any day rapture’ doctrine supported by the Holy Scripture? Does the bible really teach that Christ’s second return could happen at any second, without any warning or signs whatsoever? Is that what your doctrine teaches? Let’s not forget where ALL of our doctrine is to come from;


All scriptures is given by the inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for instruction in righteousness:”, II Tim 3:16.


The purpose of this lesson is to (1); recognize and understand the signs and warnings given to us that must precede Christ’s second coming, and (2); look at the timeline of the events to take place before His second coming.


Now, as always, please…before we get started, go and get your Bible, DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR ANYTHING! Take your time, study and read this lesson for yourself and do as Paul says, “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.”, I Thess 5:21. This is a good one.




Signs and Warnings: The Abomination of Desolation

Why is it, most Christians either ignore or, just not have been made aware of, the many warnings given to us by the prophets, apostles and Jesus Christ Himself concerning His second coming. After all, who better would know more about these upcoming events than Jesus and the disciples he told directly? Throughout the entire bible, even as far back as Genesis, God gives us many warnings and clues’ concerning Christ’s second coming. But it is obvious those clues have gone unnoticed.
If the pastors had given the church the warnings given throughout the entire bible, what we have today, known as the ‘rapture theory’ would not exist.

Let’s read some of those warnings for ourselves and see if the ‘any moment rapture’ doctrine is supported by scriptures. We will start with what is probably, the most important warning Christ ever gave to His church, and reiterated later by His disciples, yet most Christians are totally unaware of it. Let’s read about this ‘abomination of desolation’ Jesus speaks of.

In the 24th chapter of the book of Matthew, Jesus’ disciples asked the question, ‘When the end of the world would be and what will be the sign of His coming?’ After first telling them to let no man deceive them, something that has undoubtedly occurred, and several other warnings, Jesus went on to say this:


Matt 24:15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him
understand:)


Now Jesus would not have given us this warning unless there was something in the book of Daniel, that would let us know who, or how, to recognize this person He calls the Abomination of Desolation. Because whomever he is, he must play a pretty important role in Christ second coming. It should also be noted that during Jesus time, there was no New Testament. The Old Testament was the only scripture available that He could refer them to for finding the information He spoke of. So for those that believe the OT no longer applies to our lives today, you are sadly mistaken. For in them lies many answers to future events.


The closest phrase found to the ‘abomination of desolation’ referred to in the 24th chapter of Matthew, is found in the 11th chapter of book of Daniel. Let’s read what we can find out about this person, the ‘abomination of desolation’. Let’s also not forget, these are all future events Christ’s directs us to read and understand, leading to His the 2nd coming.


Dan 11:31. And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the
abomination that maketh desolate.


Now to be perfectly honest, the above verse is a little vague, but there is some information we can use to find out more. What we can make out of this verse is that, (1) the abomination that maketh desolate will be placed, or set up somewhere, (2) the sanctuary will be polluted, and (3) the daily sacrifice will be taken away. Let’s search the scriptures, like it instructs us, and find more information.


If we read a little above, in verse 27, we find that the abomination being spoken of is actually one of two kings;


Dan 11:27. And both of these kings hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time
of the appointed.



So now we know that the abomination of desolation is referred to as a ‘king’ . Now let’s continue past the 31st verse to verse 36, still speaking about the abomination of desolation, and find what Daniel has to say about this ‘king’.


Dan 11:36. And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and he shall speak marvelous things
against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished:

37. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.


Now we are learning a little more information about this ‘abomination of desolation’, which I will refer to as the (AOD). We now know that he will do whatever he will, or have complete control, and that he will exalt and magnify himself above all gods. Let’s search the NT to see if we can find a similar description for an individual;


II Thes 2:3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there comes a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of
perdition;

4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself
that he is God.


Here we find in the NT the same individual described in the OT, let’s compare;


OT: Dan 11:36. “…and he shall exalt himself…above every god…”
NT: II Thes 2:3. “…and exalteth himself above all that is called God…”
OT: Dan 11:37. “…for he shall magnify himself above all.”
NT: II Thes 2:4. “…shewing himself that he is God.”


Again let’s go back to the book of Daniel for more information about the AOD.


Dan 7:21. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them.

Dan 7:25. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws.


And again in the NT:


Rev 13:6. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name,…

Rev 13:7. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues,
and nations.


Let’s compare the two again:


OT: Dan 7:21. “…the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed
against them.”
NT: Rev 13:7. “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to
overcome them…”
OT: Dan 11:36. “…And the king shall do according to his will…”
NT: Rev 13:7. “…and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues,
and nations…”
OT: Dan 7:25. “…And he shall speak great words against the most High.…”
NT: Rev 13:6. “… And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God…”


At this point we can say, without a doubt, the person we have been describing in the OT and NT is the same person. For there can be only one person that will do ALL of the following: (1) exalt himself above all that is called God, (2) make war with the saints and prevail against them, (3) do according to his will, and (4) have power over ALL kindreds, tongues and nations. The person we have been describing is the “Abomination of Desolation” Jesus warned us about in the 24th chapter of Matthew. Let’s look at a few more very important verses to prove we are describing the same individual.


Dan 7:8. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots:
and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Dan 7:20. And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that
spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;


So now we have just tied in another fact: the AOD is also referred to as a ‘horn’. The same horn that made war with the saints and prevailed against them, was also the little horn that had the look of a man; with eyes and a mouth and spake great things. Let’s look at one last description.


Let’s read again the first warning we found in the OT about the AOD.


Dan 11:31. And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the
abomination that maketh desolate.


The part of the verse to concentrate on is,



“…and shall take away the daily sacrifice,…”

I highlighted in red where you make a statement that is not in the scripture. You have not etablished what "The abomination of desolation" is yet. The abomination of desolation seals the fate of millions. It is not a person but a thing that people do.

actually its not that ,,,its one person/satan,,standing where he shouldnt be,,, claiming to be Christ,,,while causing the sacrifice and daily oblation to cease ....

The thing that people do is follow him...

Nightmare is correct on this issue.

But, additionally, the reason WHY the sacrifices are stopped is because the people are deceived into believing that Satan (Lucifer) is Jesus returned (a FAKE JESUS). Hence, they will believe Satan is the Messiah and will no longer need to continue the sacrifices, for the "FAKE GOD" is in the House (Temple). Thus, his end time agenda will commence... "Worship me (IMPOSTER JESUS/GOD) or be killed,” being GLOBAL MASS HUMAN GENOCIDE. And when each Christian goes up to receive him, then the One True God will lift the veil from their eyes and they will suddenly know who he truly is and they will refuse to bow down to him or accept his Mark; and then they will be killed. There will be no "Rapture"--- "the tradition of men", being a confused corruption of the coming “Resurrection of the First Fruits” (the 144,000).

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Just to add my .02 to the last two wonderful posts. The abomination is an entity....not what people do. The abomination is Satan pretending to be Christ.

Can it Really Happen Tomorrow?

Yes it can.

Why did Jesus say He would come at a time that you think not? Why did He say that no one can know the time in advance .... and why did He say "you must be ready?" Better understand this. The signs and events given in visionary prophecy will take place during the tribulation period .... not before.

Luke
12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Matthew
24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

If that is the case then "the abomination of desolation" has been here for thousands of years. They have had their perverted false christ standing where it shouldn't be for at least that long.

He has been here much longer than that however when he "stands in the holy place" it will be the end of days.

The Holy place is the temple of the body.

1 Corinthians 6
19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

John 2
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.

When we see the one spoken of by Daniel...he didn't speak about us....standing in the Holy Place. When we see the desolator/Satan standing as Christ (The Holy Place), pretending to be Christ....

Jerusalem was left desolate a long time ago.............' behold your house is left unto you desolate.'

Most of the things referred to in Matt 24 were completed long ago.


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Better read Daniel more closely. The abomination is a thing that will be "set up" on the temple mount. Neither Satan or his beast [little horn] is a "thing". They are both living personages.

Daniel
12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

This abomination of destruction is not Satan or the beast [little horn], but something associated with them.

I will also say again that today's believers will be immortalized before the abomination of desolation is set up. This immortalization will take place at a time that no one can know. It is obvious that humans who live during the tribulation period will be able to know and count down to the day of the Lord's visible appearence on the earth at the end of it. Daniel gives the exact time lapse from when the abomination is set up to the end of the tribulation period and the Lord's presence on the earth.

The desolator will be "set up." He himself won't "stand in the Holy place" which simply means....pretending to be Christ, until later.

The desolator isn't a thing but he is an entity. In Matthew 24:15 it is written as "desolation" but when you go to Daniel (as instructed in Matthew) we see that it is...

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the convenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The abomination is a "he" not an "it." We will be here to see him come to deceive the world and he does that when he....stands as Christ (the Holy Place) pretending to be Him.

The gospel was preached to all the world also.

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.

Col 1:23 if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, which was preached in all creation under heaven; whereof I Paul was made a minister.

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a testimony unto all the nations; and then shall the end come.

I wonder if the end came after the Apostles preached to the whole creation

Good question RS.

My personal preference is to believe that 'tribulation' is a mighty long time,
and it creates a large period of time in which Christ's return can come at any time, totally unexpectedly.

Since only God knows the the timing of it, how could Jesus give us any indication of when it might happen?
He didn't know......did he?




We can speculate till the cows come home, but Jesus said it would be business as normal,
people getting married, eating, drinking etc etc.


Tribulation.


Deu 4:30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, [even] in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;


Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

If it means persecution of the Church,
well that has been ongoing since the year dot, AD.

If it means persecution of the Jews,
then the same.

Deuteronomy even tells us so -- 'in the latter days', i.e. after Christ.

Yeah. Even the Apostles said that the end was happening in their time, and, that He was coming back in their time.

1Pe 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore of sound mind, and be sober unto prayer:

Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord is at hand.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

Heb 10:37 For yet a very little while, He that cometh shall come, and shall not tarry.


And, Jesus said he would come but the church in Turkey (Sardis) wouldn't know it if they weren't careful.

This is what, 65 AD?

Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and didst hear; and keep it, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

I wonder why they all thought he was coming back back then. 0_o lol

"We can speculate till the cows come home, but Jesus said it would be business as normal,
people getting married, eating, drinking etc etc."

True. And people will definitely not be engaging in business as usual during the Lord's coming judgment period. This condition can only exist before it starts. His judgment will come suddenly and without warning ....just after the Lord immortalizes the Body of Christ. The period will be packed with confusion, vexation, amd destruction ..... and the unbelieving world will know that the Lord is judging them for unbelief. Most will not repent, will be killed, and will be lost forever.

It's a strange one RS........my bible translates 'at hand' as 'draws nigh'.

I guess that the apostles, like Jesus, had no idea when Jesus' Coming is planned.

But, like the salesman for whom every 'no' brings him closer to a 'yes', they could be sure
of one thing............it gets closer day by day!

Or am I missing the point?

No point missed. Unless they meant that he would show up spiritually to refine them or something. Dunno.

But, when he comes back in person the world will think it's an invasion from space. Then they'll send the armies to shoot him down. I think they miss though, lol.

the word used for coming in Greek is 'parousia'.

So they're talking about a very specific thing.

Jesus said his parousia would be like the lightning from east to west.

So I think they mean Jesus' return from heaven, in the clouds, visible to all.

But, when he comes back in person the world will think it's an invasion from space. Then they'll send the armies to shoot him down. wink.gif smile.gif I think they miss though, lol. laugh.gif biggrin.gif


haha.........it would be pretty spectacular,

best from a birdseye view of course........

If you are the evil standing in the Holy place then he would be talking about you. If you are truly His then He was talking to you about them.

Lol. Yeah, maybe we'll get our own "chariot." Whatever they are, lol.


Isa 66:15 For, lo, Jehovah in fire cometh, And as a hurricane His chariots, To refresh in fury His anger, And His rebuke in flames of fire.

Isa 66:15 For, behold, Jehovah will come with fire, and his chariots shall be like the whirlwind; to render his anger with fierceness, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Chariots like hurricanes? Those are big chariots, lol.

If you wish to understand it that way then nothing could dissuade you but I believe you are mistaken. I also believe you put a puny little human in much to important a position. Please read Daniel where the desolator is spoken of. No human carries that type of power. Daniel 9:24-27

I really must ask sometimes if people take the time to really read all of the lessons that are posted? The following is from Part 1. of my lesson that should answer your question.





If we read a little above, in verse 27, we find that the abomination being spoken of is actually one of two kings;


Dan 11:27. And both of these kings hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time
of the appointed.



So now we know that the abomination of desolation is referred to as a ‘king’ . Now let’s continue past the 31st verse to verse 36, still speaking about the abomination of desolation, and find what Daniel has to say about this ‘king’.


Dan 11:36. And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and he shall speak marvelous things
against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished:

37. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.





So this, "thing that people do", is called a king, does his will, speaks, does not lust for women, and magnifies himself above all. Interesting!


I must also ask if those responding to Part. 1 of the lesson read Part. 2 and Part. 3? It really does answer all of those questions you are presenting.

Thanks for reading what you did read.

Peace in Jesus name.

we are at the very end of the great tribulation, the man of sin is exposed. the second coming is any day now..

I offer the following question for the above statement: Why would Jesus tell His disciples to go back and read Daniel? He told them to do so because doing so answers the question they asked of Him, "...and what shall be the sign of thy coming..."


Matt 24:[3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

[4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

2 Thess:[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


I Thes 5:2. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Rev 3:3. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. IF THEREFORE THOU SHALT NOT WATCH, I WILL COME ON THEE AS A
THIEF, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.


Now let’s read what the scriptures has to say for those that did what Jesus said, ‘…whoso readeth, let him understand),;


I Thes 5:4. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Paul is telling us right here that the day should not overtake us as a thief. Not for those that understand that is.


For those reading these posts and lessons I offer the same advice as Jesus and Paul, Do not let anybody trick you into thinking that you cannot know the signs of Jesus Christ 2nd coming. Please understand, I am not saying to know the exact day and hour; but not to know the signs when they are available for all to read would be a shame. As scriptures say above you can be a child of the dark, but to that I say why, when it is so easy to be a child of light. All it takes is following Jesus commandment, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)" Matt 24:15

So.....will you go to the book of Daniel and read for understanding? That's what I did. And that is why I did this lesson...so that others can know the SIGNS of Christs 2nd coming.

Peace in the name of Jesus

Who was the Lord directing His discourse to? What and who is the focus? Until one understands this one will not correctly place the signs and events in the time frame .... within Daniel's 70th week.

Jesus could not tell us when he would return, because He didn't know.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

That's the problem. He could only tell us what needed to be first fulfilled:-

namely the destruction of the temple.

And that's it, after that, its open season ..........and we wait.........

True. But He does know now, and this came about by His return to His eternal status of existence. However, He has not revealed the time of His future intervention in His Word, or by any other means. This is why preteristic and post-tribulational interpretations of the subject are in error. They both set the timing of His call for the Body of Christ. The first places it in the past and the second projects it to the end of the tribulation period which will be a known date during the 70th week decreed for national Israel. There is a difference between the timing of His call for the believer [those asleep and those living at the time] and His visible return to the earth after the tribulation period. The timing of the first event is not known and will take place without signs, tribulation events, or warning .... the determination of the timing of the second event, which will come with the signs and the events of the tribulation period, will be possible by those living during the period. The Lord will come and call the present Body of Christ home and then He will procede to execute His judgment against an unbelieving world. Then He will appear to the world at the end of the period openly, visibly, and personally. So He only returns once, but will be involved from the beginning to the end of the tribulation period at which time He will appear visibly to the world. He will execute all of the tribulation period events personally and directly before He appears in the material world on the earth to the mortal survivors of the tribulation period. The duration of this time frame of His involvement needs to be understood, the reasons for His wrath against an intransigent unbelieving world needs to be understood, and He intention to avoid subjective judgment against the living believers at the time also neesds to be understood. The scriptures support all of His motivations with regard to these issues.

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and His disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buildings of the temple.

24:2 And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

The "buildings of the temple" consist of the courts, halls, colonnades, towers and wings and I would assume surrounding walls. The wailing wall still stands with....one stone upon another.

Something to think about.

His projection of the fate of the temple and related is just as true today as when He made the statement. Keep in mind that He was asked about the time of the end .... not things that took place in the first century. He is looking much farther into the future and we know this to be a fact today. There is not, and will not be a temple standing on the mount during the tribulation period. Even the residual retaining wall will be destroyed by the little horn and his followers. Not one stone will be left standing just as the Lord has said.

The historical records show that the Romans razed the temple to the ground.

The actual site of Herod's Temple has been confabulated by
various stakeholders over the centuries,
and this distorts our view of where the Temple really was.

Stephen, you say:

"True. But He does know now, and this came about by His return to His eternal status of existence."

i.e. that Jesus now knows the date of his return.

Can you back this up a bit more please?

The great tribulation hasn't even begun yet.

The great tribulation is worse than any full on war in your face that man has ever had on the face of the earth.

It begins with God taking away the rain and dew and moister from earth and turning all water on earth to blood, like the blood of a dead man.

These are just labor pains.

By the end the only thing that those of the flesh will have to eat is each other.


3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

9 Then I said, "I will not feed you. Let what is dying die, and what is perishing perish. Let those that are left eat each other's flesh."

20 And he shall snatch on the right hand And be hungry; He shall devour on the left hand And not be satisfied; Every man shall eat the flesh of his own arm.

9 And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and everyone shall eat the flesh of his friend in the siege and in the desperation with which their enemies and those who seek their lives shall drive them to despair." '

3 Who also eat the flesh of My people, Flay their skin from them, Break their bones, And chop them in pieces Like meat for the pot, Like flesh in the caldron."

20 "See, O Lord, and consider! To whom have You done this? Should the women eat their offspring, The children they have cuddled?* Should the priest and prophet be slain In the sanctuary of the Lord?

10 The hands of the compassionate women Have cooked their own children; They became food for them In the destruction of the daughter of my people.


54 The sensitive and very refined man among you will be hostile toward his brother, toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the rest of his children whom he leaves behind,
55 so that he will not give any of them the flesh of his children whom he will eat, because he has nothing left in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you at all your gates.
56 The tender and delicate woman among you, who would not venture to set the sole of her foot on the ground because of her delicateness and sensitivity, will refuse to the husband of her bosom, and to her son and her daughter,
57 her placenta which comes out from between her feet and her children whom she bears; for she will eat them secretly for lack of everything in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you at all your gates.








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.......actually I'm wrong, I missed a bit.

After the fall of Jerusalem, the times of the Gentiles need to be fulfilled.
(which we are still in, since the Moslems own the Temple Mount)

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

32: And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

33: And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

34: Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

35: And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

36: And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37: Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Paul tell the same thing Daniel did

2Thess 2v

1: Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2: That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

the abomination is a person who has been given some of satan powers

Rev 13v
1: And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2: And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority
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3: And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4: And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5: And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6: And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The Lord left many signs concerning his coming

He said

Matth 24v

(1) 15: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, (2) stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

(3)21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25: Behold, I have told you before.
26: Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27: For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28: For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

(4)29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

these sign tell when the Lord is coming

Simple asked:

"Stephen, you say:

"True. But He does know now, and this came about by His return to His eternal status of existence."

i.e. that Jesus now knows the date of his return.

Can you back this up a bit more please?"

>I would suggest that you review the Lord's own words beginning in Acts and again in Revelation. He definitely knows and is in control of the timing of His future intervention. There is nothing He does not now know and He holds the power to execute all of His future dealings with the tribulation period, the millennium, and beyond. He is the Lord ..... both God and human.

Here is a review from my website on the little horn, his geographical location, his actions, and his connection with Satan and Abaddon-Apollyon. I have a number of posts on this forum that cover the same subject.

Daniel 11:36 is a profile of the little horn, king of the north. He is the one Daniel is shown in his earlier vision coming out of the northern division of Alexander's divided empire.

This geographical area of the Middle East was ruled by the northern Greek kings before the first century and Daniel views the little horn arising out of the same area at the time of the end.

This vision contains a number of attributes describing him, his rise to power, his rule of the Middle East, his dealings with other parts of the world, and his eventual demise.

The entity in view is Abaddon, the first beast of Revelation, who will manifest himself in the little horn, human king of the north.

His attributes are both angelic and human which explains his strange make-up. This creature will be unlike any other king of the Gentiles of the past.

It is very significant to understand that the little horn is the combination of a human being and a fallen angel, both acknowledging Satan as their source of power and authority.

This relationship is similar to the one that God has with Jesus, but not technically the same.

Satan considers himself above or equal with God, Abaddon is his substitute for Jesus (antichrist), and the little horn is Abaddon's manifestation as a human. The application of this truth will reveal the correct interpretation of the vision.

This triad will not be presented as a false Jewish or Christian Messiah, however it will be one that many will be deceived into following.

Satan will also attempt to openly exterminate both the nation of Israel, Christians (Jews or Gentiles), and others who will not follow him. He will be out to win at all costs either by deception or direct elimination.

The king (little horn) behaves according to his will which reflects Abaddon's will under the direction and objectives of Satan. There is a definite inter-dependency reflected in this relationship.

The little horn receives his supernatural abilities and related success from Abaddon who in turn receives his power and authority from Satan.

Satan uses these two agents in his unrelenting pursuit to corrupt and destroy humanity, and to usurp God's authority.

Satan's price is that they both worship him as their god and carry out his purposes on the earth at the time of the end.

Satan's personal presence will be restricted to the earth by God at the time of the end of this present age and he will be prohibited from his access to the heavenly dimensions. His next stop will be the abyss for 1,000 years after he is defeated at Armageddon.

The little horn will not recognize the god(s) of his human ancestors, but will honor Satan, and will consider himself to be above all other gods, real or imagined.

He will consider himself above the true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He will have no regard for Jesus who is the Son of God, or any other false gods contrived by humans like the pagan gods.

He will acknowledge Satan as the one and only true god of gods above any other contenders and will claim that he himself is the manifestation of his god.

He will support his authenticity by demonstrating supernatural knowledge and abilities, and by his successes.

His religion will be one that values the ability to wage warfare and destruction. He will honor the god of forces (Satan).

His human ancestors (fathers) were never presented with the direct worship of Satan accompanied by Satan's personal presence and power which will be openly demonstrated to a level never experienced by humans.

Their pagan gods of the past were created by them, were imaginary, and did not exist.

Satan and Abaddon are both real entities and can interact with humans if God permits. In this case God will actually promote this action as part of his judgment process at the time of the end.

He will send strong delusion to a world that refuses to believe the truth about Himself as the only God and Creator of all things including Satan and Abaddon. This delusion is the "lie" that Satan will be allowed to present.

The religion of the little horn will be monotheistic, not pagan, and will resemble the two major religions of Judaism and Christianity. He will claim that his religion supersedes both, and any others that exist at the time.

He will persecute and have put to death those who will not submit to him as the one and only god. His primary targets will be the perceived members of these other two monotheistic religions.

Islam is and has been presented as a monotheistic religion as well, but the Bible does not identify it by name.

The teachings, actions, and extremes of this religion look much like the Bible's description of Satan's system of influence, and control.

I cannot be certain about this because change over time may turn out to create a different landscape. We do not know when these things will begin to take place and it depends on how close we are to the time of the end.

Satan's strategy will include justification for using the most unimaginable destructive forces to eliminate those who will not submit to him.

He will extend Abaddon's rule over many strong holds and he will distribute power, authority, and geographical areas of dominance to those who follow him.

He shall cause them to rule over many and will distribute the land for a price.

Those who oppose him will experience his wrath of unprecedented destruction. Ezekiel, Daniel, and Revelation note some of the encounters including the elimination and replacement of three of the ten other kings.

He will also destroy the "great city" of Mystery Babylon. The elimination of this great economic power will provide the opportunity for him to expand his Middle Eastern empire further and to dominate the world for a short period of time.

Included will be the defeat of the king of the south and occupation of his land, the invasion, defeat, and occupation of Israel, and of several other countries in the Middle East.

He will also annihilate many in reaction to perceived threats from the north (possibly Russian) and east (possibly China) of Abaddon's base of operations.

Daniel's vision in chapter 8 conveys the dual nature of this final king of the north. He operates as a human king by expanding his earthly empire to the south, the east, and toward the Land of Israel.

He stops Israel from worshiping (daily sacrifice) their God, and gains control of God's temple mount area (place of His sanctuary) which may be the great synagogue at the western wall since the temple itself is no longer there.

His invasion of Israel will include destruction of anything related to the Jews regarding the temple mount and the city of Jerusalem. He will trample the area of the temple, give it to his followers, and control it for 42 months.

John is told in Revelation to measure the temple of God in heaven, but not to measure the temple area that is "without" the earthly temple, for it is given over to the Gentiles to trample for 42 months (3 1/2 years).

He also attempts to eliminate "truth" regarding Israel's covenant relationship with God and he has an army of human followers (host) who serve him in these objectives.

Other significant attributes of this little horn are also revealed in the vision. He has the capacity to engage and defeat some of God's angelic armies (host of heaven).

These angels will be serving God as a restraining force against the little horn's ambitions, but he will have the power and ability to overcome them.

This reveals that the little horn is more than just a human king. He is also Abaddon the beast of Revelation 13 and 17 who will incarnate and possess the king, becoming the eighth king himself.

He will be able to defeat some of the angelic host of heaven, an army that will even include archangels (stars) who cannot restrain him. An ordinary human king cannot do this.

He will defeat the military and economic power of Israel and the same of other prominent world governments. He will also destroy and scatter a major portion of Israel's population.

Abaddon is a very powerful and destructive angelic creature, possibly the most powerful of the fallen angels next to Satan himself.

Abaddon's own strength will be greatly enhanced directly by Satan, and he will be supported by the other fallen angels who join him.

He will even stand up against Jesus (Prince of Princes), but will be defeated at Armageddon and thrown into the lake of fire.

God will turn on him after using him for His judgment process. God will focus His wrath on Abaddon's occupied territories in the Middle East and on the base of his operations.

Abaddon will react in desperation, calling on all forces at his disposal including the armies of the kings of the nations that are left.

It is interesting to note that the Euphrates River will dry up to make way for the armies of the kings that come from the east.

They will move from a staging point at the mouth of the Persian Gulf to another staging area north of Israel located in Syria.

The bed of the entire Euphrates will be used for transporting the armies. The river bed is shallow and has a uniformly flat bottom. The maximum distance traveled will be about 1,500 miles.

God will defeat them at the battle of Armageddon. The little horn (Abaddon's human manifestation), his armies, and allies will die in the battle. Abaddon will be destroyed in the lake of fire and Satan will be sent to the abyss.

One should be careful to notice that Daniel's vision beginning in chapter 11:36 is continuous including chapter 12. The little horn, king of the north, is referred to as the one ("he") who invades and conquers Israel in chapter 12:7.

His agenda (all of these things) listed in chapter 11:36-44 will be completed by the end of 1,260 days (first half of the 70th week). He will then set up the abomination of desolation and begin his 42 month (1,260 day) rule.

Daniel then asks what will happen to Israel after being conquered by the little horn. His is told that there will be a total of 1,335 from when the abomination of desolation is set up to the end of the days of tribulation for Israel.

The additional 75 days include 30 days of God's wrath (7 vials) against his kingdom and his defeat at Armageddon.

There will be another 45 days for gathering the elect of Israel and the separation of the Gentile nations for entrance into the 1,000 year earthly kingdom of Jesus.

The destruction of Jerusalem (the city) and the sanctuary (place of worship) will take place 110 days after the abomination of desolation is set up on the temple mount.

There will the be another 1,150 days (2,300 mornings and evenings) before Jerusalem and the temple mount are restored to Israel at the end of the tribulation period (110 days + 1,150 days = 1,260 days).

God's wrath will then be directed at the little horn and his followers during the next 30 days. The beginning of this action will draw the little horn away from Jerusalem and the temple mount and both will be recaptured by Israel.

His kingdom will begin to come apart and he will be forced to fight Jesus and the remnant of Israel at Armageddon. He will come to his end in total defeat.

Wow, that is a lot of info.
I will print it and take it upstairs to read this evening. Thank you Stephen.

Fere

Gideon 7620 said, absolutely not. THe second coming can not and will not happen tomorrow or any time soon. Prophecy must be fullfilled first. I assure you. Modern day christians have been dooped by false prophecying from its false prophets. Some are tele-evangelist as Van Impe and most mainstream conservative churches and colleges. They teach a false doctrine of a wishful pretribulational rapture. This is false and of the devil. We see Paul warns christians that the coming will not happen until the man of sin is revealed and oposes God, via the obomination desolation. He also must murder many christians. The second coming is not two seperate events. It is not a secret coming to snatch away the church from the tribulation and persecution Satan will bring. It is not another second coming following the tribulation to bring judgement. It is one event that will bring deliverence and resurrection to the saints. It will also spell doom, destruction, and everlasting contempt to the wicked unsaved. This will occur in one event not two. We see that VERY PLAINLY in scripture



1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


Note his coming is after satan's coming, lying wonders, satans signs, his horrific work of persecution. Christ will destroy Satan with his parocia, his bright, powerful glory when he returns for the chuch and we are gathered together unto him. The dead in christ shall rise first then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up to meet them in the air. Our gathering together unto him is seen here in verse one.
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Stephen, how does this show that Jesus knows the time of his return?

Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

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Yes the 2nd coming could happen now..its time to be watching, looking up..

the 2nd coming cannot happen tommorow

it has to happen

Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

people who believe Jesus can come anyday have no understanding of prophecy.

But the scriptures say....."the buildings of the temple" not just the temple. Then Christ answers, in reply to the subject of the "buildings" of the temple and says...."there shall not be left here one stone upon another."

The wailing wall still stands with HUGE stones one upon another.

Please provide not just the number of the verse but the book and chapter of your scriptural references. I tried to pick key words from your post and locate it in Strong's and wasn't able to. You apparently have a new and modern version of the Word of God.

The great tribulation is NOT how you are understanding it. It is a time of peace and prosperity. The tribulation is deception, great deception. All the talk of flesh being consumed is spiritual. Al