I was reading through an old thread on the board and ran across this Post. It bore witness within me so I Clipped it and decided to give it it's own thread to see what you all think.

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There are four Baptisms mentioned in the new testament. I will name them one at a time and then put the Scripture after.


Mark 1
4 John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
5 Then all the land of Judea, and those from Jerusalem, went out to him and were all baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins.




Matthew 3
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit
12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn;




Matthew 3
11 and fire.
12 but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Luke 12
49 "I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!



Luke 12
50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am till it is accomplished!

Matthew 20
22 But Jesus answered and said, "You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
23 So He said to them, "You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with;

I agree with the first 3. But baptism of blood? I don't think so. Baptism is also immersion....like a trial. I don't believe the words of our Lord concerning His passion represents a new baptism. I believe that this is covered in the baptism of fire. Fire is the trials and tribulations that purufy us and make us spotless before the Lord.

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Maybe a baptism of slaughter instead of blood.

But then you could not put slaughter in that cup to sprinkle it on the offering.

I hope that I am immersed (covered) by the blood of the lamb.

Is there an Apostle or Disciple who's blood was not spilled in the service of their King?

Is it a requirement of all? I don't think so. Only those who want to be perfect as our Lord is perfect.

Acts 8
32 The place in the Scripture which he read was this: "He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; And as a lamb before its shearer is silent, So He opened not His mouth.

1Peter 1
2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.




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Hey Dude!!! How's it going....

Here is study we did on this subject....

The Word tells us that Salvation is given by acceptance of Jesus Christ as the only Son of God, that He died on the cross for us so that we might be saved. There is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ.
Acts 16:30-31 30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Salvation is a gift given by grace and once you accept Christ Jesus as your Savior you are then accepted into the Body of Christ. It also justifies you before our Father in Heaven.

Doctrine of Baptism? Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Once this doctrine is learned, all debate is washed away, and a flood of understanding comes in. A babe in Christ should learn these things right away so there is no room for confusion.

There are 3 phases to the doctrine of baptisms and 4 questions to ask with each.

The 3 phases are:



Baptized into the Body of Christ (1 Cor.12:13)

Baptized in water

Baptized in the Holy Spirit


The 4 questions:




Who is baptized?

What is received?

Why?

Who baptizes?



Phase 1:Baptized into the Body of Christ:1 Cor. 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

1. Who is baptized at this phase? The lost repentant sinner. Acts 2: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

2. What is received? Justification as the law is nolonger in effect, Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, forgiveness of sin, 1 John 1: 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. The Spirit of Christ is received into our human spirit.

3. Why? To escape hell and to have eternal life. John 3: 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

4. Who baptizes? It is God who baptizes the sinner into the Body of Christ sending the Spirit of Jesus into the lost repentant sinner. Gal. 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

The next two phases can happen in any order, BUT phase one must happen first. Why? You must be born again and part of the Body of Christ to received phase two and three. If you go down in the water to be baptized being an unsaved person, you go down a dry sinner and come up a wet hypocrite. Part two and three is for the saved person only.

Phase 2: Baptized with water: Matthew 3:11 "I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
1. Who is baptized? The saved person, the repentent sinner. The born again believer. The eunch gave that qualification to be baptized in Acts 8:36-38. Verse 37 is the qualifiying : And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

2. What is received? Your baptized in a body of water, Acts 8:36-38 36And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

3. Why should you be baptized? Here is where debate comes in. Should you or should you not be baptized? Does it really matter? Is it a key for salvation? To answer the last question first, NO. We already know that the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ, there is no other way. Yes, you should be baptized because it is a matter of OBEDIENCE to God. It matters to the saved person ONLY if that saved person has an interest in being obedient to God. Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. The law was fulfilled, now it is a matter of obiedence.

4. Who baptizes? The God ordained minister. 1 Cor.1:14-15 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. At that time attetion was being given to the "baptizer" and that needed correcting.

Phase 3: Baptized in the Holy Spirit:

1.Who is baptized? The born again spiritual hungry believer. You have to seek after it, you have to want it. Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

One example where the Holy Spirit was given upon after being water baptized. They had already been baptized by John the Baptist.
Acts 19:2-6 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.Our will comes into play in as how far we are willing to go into maturing here.
Here is an example where Peter explains what a lost repentant sinner recieves and while he was speaking the Holy Ghost skipped the pattern. They began to speak in tongues, then they were baptized twice, they were then baptized in water.
Acts 10:44-48 44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

2. What is received? The power of the Holy Spirit with gifts. Evidence will follow you. Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

3.Why should you be baptized? To live an overcoming life, John chapters 14,15,&16. Within these 3 chapters there are 7 major points Jesus gave in the Upper Room about the Holy Spirit. Hint: They all start with the letter "C".

4.Who baptizes? Jesus baptizes at this point. Matthew 3:11-12 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 12Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Hello Pamela

It is going great. Thanks for asking, and thanks for the study. This is the only thing I am having trouble understanding. The rest is a great study dealing with water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

I am sorry I don't know where what is quoted above is written in scripture.
Here is the only scripture that I can find that is similar but has it's focus on faith not, "accepting".

Ephesians 2
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Faith and accept is not the same. Faith requires that one understands what they believe. It also requires movement. doing the will of He whom you have faith in.

Study on Justification....

Justification, Sanctification and Glorification is one of the major things I study in the bible....

Yes, that text you present is correct and can stand, but add Romans 1:17 to it....17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

We deserve death, the wrath of God, but Jesus paid that price for us...Once we are saved we are justified before God, Jesus' blood covers us...

Faith does require action on the part of the believer....Yep!

What about the baptism that burns up the chaff with unquenchable fire?

well i dont know what to say to what Dude has left hear for us to ponder on

we can al relate to the water Baptism

did not jesus him self set the example for all of us to abide by and follow by when it comes to new believers who give their heart to the lord



matthew 3



11 i baptize you with water for repentance but he who is comming after me is mightier than i whose sandles i ama not worthy to carry he wil baptize you with the holy spirit and fire

for john the baptise to say this i guess he new that he could not even walk the path god was about to have his own son walk


matthew 3

13 then jesus came from galilee to the jordan to john to be baptized by him


14 john would have prevented him saying i need to be baptized by you and you come to me

15 but jesus answered him let it be so now for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness then he consented



Baptism of the holy spirit



2 timothy 3 16 - 17


all scripture is given by inspiration of god and it is profitable for doctrine for reproof for corection for instruction in righteousness that the man of god may be complete thoroughly equipped for every good work






Baptism unto life

Baptizer - holy spirit


Element - Body of christ


purpose - Newness of eternal life


Evidence - fruits of the spirit










Baptism unto power



Baptizer - jesus


Element - Holy spirit


purpose - power to witness


Evidence - gifts of the holy spirit



1 corinthians 12- 13

for by one spirit we were all baptized into one body whether jews or greeks whether slaves or free and have all been made to drink one spirit


Galatians 3 26 - 27


for you are al sons of god through faith in christ jesus for as many of you were baptized into christ have put on christ


no one should think they are above us or no one should consider them selves a true christian if you consider your self above me or anyone of my brothers and sisters in the lord then you must be realy special to were gods son only speaks to you and only gives you the revelation


this is how i see what dude has left us



god bless from damo