Why The King James Version?


With all the different Bible translations we have floating around, it seems a hard task to choose the most accurate one. You might even question the fact of there being an accurate account of the Bible, aside from the original Hebrew Scrolls. Much of this confusion has come about because many modern day religious translators have attempted to interpret the Bible, instead of merely translating it. Therefore, when they translate the Bible they add, change or delete certain words to make it confirm to their religious doctrine. God was aware that this would happen and had John write, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophesy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19).

When King James had the Bible translated he appointed 54 scholars to do the work instead of religious people. This made it possible for him to change the form, from Hebrew and Greek to English, without changing the meaning. In other words he made the Bible say the exact same thing, only in another language. This in itself was a fulfillment of prophecy, "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people" (Isaiah 28:11). The Lord knew that his people would not always remain in their own land, speaking Hebrew, so he had Isaiah to prophesy that he would have his word put into other languages. Now I ask you, is this too hard for God to do?

God has always worked through men, especially kings, to fulfill his word. During the days of Ezra he worked through Cyrus, King of Persia, to fulfill his word. "Now in the first year of Cyrus King of Persia, that the word of the Lord might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus, King of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it in writing..." (Ezra 1:1). The Lord worked through Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon to such a great extent that he even called Nebuchadnezzar his servant although he was not a true servant of God. (See Jeremiah 27:6). Therefore, it should not be hard to believe that God would use King James (another Gentile King) to fulfill his word. If God is God who can stop his purpose. Remember, contrary to popular belief, God rules in the Kingdom of men.

Nevertheless, under the disguise of making the Bible easier to read and understand many religious groups have come up with error filled revisions of the Bible. Because of the lack of space, I will only point out one of these so-called modern translations. On page 30 of the April 5, 1987 edition of the Chicago Sun-Times the heading read, "Catholics given revised version of New Testament." The article began, "The Nation's Roman Catholic bishops released today an updated New Testament translation that features some gender-neutral language and modern English usages that make it easier to read aloud in worship services." This is one of many examples that I could give of a religious group changing the Word of God to fit it's dogma.

The Catholics like other religious groups might have meant well in their attempt to rewrite the scripture but remember what John said in Revelation about adding and taking away from the word.

King James did not have this problem because he chose scholars who did not care about changing the meaning but only changing the tongue. If the word was man in Hebrew they simply made it man in English. They did not assume that a gender-neutral word would be better as the Catholics have done.

Therefore, God did want the Bible translated but not reworded. You do not have to learn to speak Hebrew to learn the Word of God. In the future God will give the earth a pure language. "...For all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy. For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord to serve him with one consent" (Zephaniah 3:8-9). Nevertheless, until then you can learn the Word of God in whatever language you speak, if you seek it. Paul confirmed this in 1Corinthians 14:21 saying, ...In the law it is written with men of other tongues and other lips will I speak, unto this people...

Only beware of endless translations. There is even a New King James version which is not accurate. There might come a time when the King James version written in 1611 becomes obsolete, and that will bring about the spiritual famine that the prophet Amos wrote about "...and they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the North even to the East, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it" Amos 8:12. This to must be fulfilled.

http://www.thykingdomcome7.com/Text%20Less...ext_lessons.htm

1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

is the love of money the root of all evil?
no
if i do adultry with my neighbor's wife,,,,,,,that has nothing to do with love of money

some newer translations say :
"the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil".......which sounds more true

i'm not a translator

when Jesus and the 12 quoted OT verses.........they quoted from the SEPTUAGENT, which is a very poor quality translation.
My point is: if Jesus could use an im-perfect translation, .......then, maybe, i can also.

of course, i want a perfect translation, if possible.

The original Hebrew Scrolls do not exist Or at least they have not been found.

Uh! Oh! Should I throw away my "Reina Valera" Spanish translation. What about the Itallians, Chineese, Japanese, Koreans, French, etc. etc.
No one has a real Bible except those who use a 17th English version. Give me a break.
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1Jn 2:27 And as for you, the anointing which ye received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any one teach you; but as his anointing teacheth you; concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, ye abide in him.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth:

The Holy Spirit shows us truths in the Bible no matter what translation. For purposes of getting into the nitty gritty with our minds, the best translation is definitely desired. But, the HS can use any version. He is the teacher, because man is fallible.

I made a thread about tithing and I did my own research with your guys help (thanks in Christ) and I noticed a difference in bible interpretation.

Take luke 18:12

KJV has it as "I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess." Sounds like 100% tithing there

then other versions has it as

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my entire income.' 10% there

so I dunno

The word "tithe" means a tenth.
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In French the tithe is called "la dîme." This is where we get the word dime from. Just my 10 cents worth!

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Amen brother! I was baptized in the Spirit while reading an amplified bible way back when. The HS is amazing!

hi~

the Holy Ghost worked through Prince James & the scholars that translated it for its time, the testimony of Prince James speaks truth of a heavenly sort. a Holy Bible pure & good, wonderfully written with clarity for truth & charged by the LORD for all english speaking peoples. of a truth - keep in mind of this one thing, when the LORD does something ~ He'll do it once, He'll do it right, & He'll do it perfect.

the King James 1611 is done just right - Amen.

~levite-7

Good answer Levite.

Amen! The HS showed me stuff when I used to use only the NIV. He quickens it to our spirit and we know it is the truth! He even showed me our authority over spirits while I was reading a book on cults and how voodoo adherents call spirits into themselves. Powerful! (our authority that is! Lol! )


Blessings.

If you think by reading a medieval archaic English bible makes it more accurate than any other written manuscripts, then you are UTTERLY deceived! – – But on the other hand, If you speak that English language and understand it perfectly, then good for you. But on the other hand, if this is not the case you are doing yourself a great disservice!

There is NO 100% accurate bible today. If you want the PURE word, then go to Tanakh. I think you can trust the people of God. He did! Mind you there are NO GENTILES who have ever written a single scroll from him.

i read the old kings james bible when i was in a prison farm and i am now use to reading from sevral difrent translations

i tend not to worship one translation over another translation i just like comparing the scripture passages i have highlighted

this is how i was taught by my pastor


i tend to stick to the new spirit filled life bible while my fiancee has the american standard version i did have the new kings james bible but i gave it to a brother who did not have a bible


these are the translations i have in my home


Gods word

American standard version


kings james bible


new international version open study bible

English standard version


Revised version


1898 youngs Literal Translation


soon in my own language which is the croation bible

the new spirit filled life bible





this is the verse that jumped at me when i was reading the old kings james bible in the prison farm i found my self in




mark 2

17 And when Jesus heard it he saith unto them They that are whole have no need of a physician but they that are sick i came not to call the righteous but sinners

i was able to memorize this verse with in 4 days and could not stop saying it weather i was in the kitchen getting the meals ready or washing the pots or hanging out with the cell mates in my cabin watching tv this verse would jump at me to the point where i heard this voice say jesus loves you find a church



God bless from damo

Once in a Bible class, the leader showed us some words in the KJ that, over time, had actually changed in meaning. I have always had problems tripping over the old peasant usage of the KJ. I also would never read Shakespeare for the same reason. It's annoying and distracting to have to re-read and re-write every sentence. My mom insisted that the KJ was the only correct Bible, but she had trouble with it too. When I finally got an American English Bible in my late teens, I was shocked at how many things I could suddenly understand. Maybe you and mom were right, but then again, if I only had the KJ and no other option, I probably would have given up on reading it altogether. It was just too frustrating for the way my brain is wired.

Luke was a Gentile.
He wrote the Gospel of Luke and Acts.
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We know that Matthew was a Levite, and he wrote the Book bearing his name. Neither Luke nor Mark were of the twelve, even though they wrote Books bearing their names. The Gentiles would like to claim Luke as one of their own, and have advanced theories concerning this. Although the evidence is rather thin, it is almost certain that Luke was a Levite. Only Levites would write with the accuracy that is evident in the Book of Acts, and the Book that bears Luke’s name.

The Kjv is for the english speaking people.

There is nothing wrong with the chinese or spanish version, a matter of fact is it says the same thing as the KJV.

for the English speaking people we have the KJV.

The holy spirit can't teach you anything if you don't keep the commandments as Jesus stated

Jn14v
15: If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16: And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17: Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18: I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

before the Holy spirit can teach and bring things to your remembrance you have had to read the book

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

amen

God knew that the english speaking people would need his Word.

Thank God for having King James and his translator for translating his Word?

God uses whomever he wants.

the tanakh is useless to someone of another Language, as the KJV is useless to someone who don't speak english

The Lord said

Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

thank God for the KJV i speak english.

Hi Damo

how many of those englsih translation uses the Kjv as their base?

is the KJV the base for most english or any other language trasnslations?

most of us including myself was reading the bible wrong.

The Lord has a way to read his word

Isa28v
9: Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10: For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12: To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13: But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
14: Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.

Paul said the same thing

2Tm 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

the bible says the same story over and over again

if you don't understand one prophet go to another, if you don't understand a apostle go to a prophet, or prophet to apostles for understanding.

Luke is not a gentile

it was a rule amongst Israel to have company with anyone outside of the nation.

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

hi~

Daniel 4:37 (akjv), Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

King Nebuchadnezzar was a gentile that later humbled himself before the LORD - curious to see how you overlook that. more-so, if the LORD is perfect in heaven as the LORD Jesus Christ testified Him to be - why do men attempt to improve perfection? i tell you truly, that which is made after King James 1611 is vanity, published by men who are jealous & have strong desire to replace God's work with work of their own hands. it is well known that newer translations are twisting the story as words are taken away which each newer rendition, the two most noted for great blasphemies are the NIV & NASB - editions greatly corrupted to lessen the divinity of Jesus Christ while empowering the fallen cherub to be on par or above the most Holy & even now, copyrights profit at the expense of heavenly truth.

these words above^ will do one of two things, either you shall receive them as a testament of truth concerning the Holy Ghost that moved to preserve the text of the King James version, or you shall reject it with angst & if the latter, ask yourself why that is...for the Word warns us concerning three critical points ~ that the LORD Himself shall preserve His Word, that anyone that receives a different gospel that divides the truth of Jesus Christ - to them, they shall be accursed, & that if anyone alters the Holy Bible - even so much as a letter, they shall lose their place in the Kingdom of God.

~levite-7

Col 4:10 My fellow prisoner Aristarchus sends you his greetings, as does Mark, the cousin of Barnabas. (You have received instructions about him; if he comes to you, welcome him.) 11 Jesus, who is called Justus, also sends greetings. These are the only Jews among my fellow workers for the kingdom of God, and they have proved a comfort to me. 12 Epaphras, who is one of you and a servant of Christ Jesus, sends greetings. He is always wrestling in prayer for you, that you may stand firm in all the will of God, mature and fully assured. 13 I vouch for him that he is working hard for you and for those at Laodicea and Hierapolis. 14 Our dear friend Luke, the doctor, and Demas send greetings.

The Jews erroneously thought that it was unlawful to keep copany with a Gentile, not God. God draamtically demonstrated to Peter and Paul that they were no longer to distinguish between Jew and Gentile concerning the kingdom of God.
Paul did not include Luke among those who were the only Jews among his fellow workers.

hay ozell


i am only just going over this topic to your question


Gods word lines up with the kings james and so does the English standard version hear is the verse i gave out to mark 2



i am using know the 1898 youngs literal translation



mark 2


17 And Jesus having heard saith to them They who are strong have no need of a physician but they who are ill i come not to call righteous men but sinners to reformation



English standard version


mark 2


17 And when Jesus heard it he said to them Those who are well have no need of a physician but those who are sick i came not to call the righteous but sinners

i tend to stick to the NIV and the new spirit filled life bible but when i am studying or preparing a sermon i tend to get out all the diffrent translations i have and compare the scripture passages i want to use

when i am in the philippines with my fiancee i tend to use their version they use as my partner and her members have the bible in their own language and a lot of filapinos cant handle the kings james bible like some of us can

it took a lot off effort when i was reading the old kings james bible in the prison farm i was in i had to put the old kings james bible down sevral times but i forced my self i had no one to guide me i started to read the old testament first then when i finished reading the old testament i started to read the new testament



hope this helps the other translations i have i also noticed that they dont tend to stick with the kings james version



god bless from damo

Hello Ozell :

Thank you, very good research on King James Bible . . .


1Corinthians 14:21 saying, ...In the law it is written with men of other tongues and other lips will I speak, unto this people...

This is an excerpt I really liked ^ . . .

This is how I feel since I cannot speak Hebrew or read complete text scripts, however, in
the study of the Hebrew alphabet, the Holy Spirit has taught me many things to bring unto
remembrance.

Which is what Jesus said, the comforter would do for us.

I dunno. I wasn't keeping the commandments when He taught me then.

When I was 5 I asked Jesus to come into my heart. I remember it vividly. But of course, we don't understand too much at that age, so, my calling (back) came when I was 23.

I was living in a friend's warehouse where a rock band that I sang for also practiced. Living the wannabe rockstar life of partying, fighting, etc. I was a rebel. One night I went to friend's apartment for a little get together. I ended up staying the night. In the morning, I found one of those big family bibles in the apartment. I began reading the book of Revelation as I was always interested in it when I was younger. I decided to look in the front of the bible since I had never really read any of the other books.

I turned to Genesis and began reading the Creation account. As I was reading, the page lit up, and, I understood all of the sudden that God really had made everything. Right as that happened, a voice said, "This is where the power is." I literally said, "Whoa" when this happened. I was raised in the church and went to a Christian school, so, I knew some things about God. I remember thinking, "God's trying to get my attention," and, "I can't ignore this." I knew I had to do something.

For the next three days I read the bible non-stop. I couldn't get enough. I also knew that I had to change my life. I quite the band, quit partying/drinking, and quit hanging out with my old friends. I found a church that I liked, and, went to live in a ministry house. I studied for the next four years to become a teacher/preacher.

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maybe I'm missing something here, please show me where Luke is a gentile.

I can't find it in Col 4v10-14

but I can read what I put you in Acts

Paul quoted Isaiah

Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

the Holy Spirit will teach you in the Language that you speak, why do otherwise?

is God a God of confusion? no

1Cor 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

what is confusion?

Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

we should always go back to the beginning for answers

the Lord confounded the Languages for a reason.

the Holy Spirit will teach us all things

but we must remember there are conditons for him to teach us.

Jesus put conditions for him to come unto us.

amen!!!!

and you STOPPED doing the things that were OFFENSIVE to God.

you changed you behaviour

Jesus said

15: If ye love me, keep my commandments.

he would

16: And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

which is

17: Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18: I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

24: He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25: These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

only if you keep his commandments willhe give to you the Holy Ghost, then this holy Ghost will teach you.

26: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

compare you testimony with the verse I just put.

where is there a difference in your life and what Jesus said?

In a split second. To not change after that would have been crazy lol.

Ozell, is the New King James just like the old one? Is there an American English Bible that's been translated from original writings? I have had the same two study Bibles for 30 years, but I don't know what translation they are because the covers are gone from both of them. I refuse to give them up until I can find a suitable replacement.

I have a copy of the 1611 KJV and the KJV it is the same except for the old english.
yet becaUse of my reading of the KJV I can read the 1611 KJV with understanding.

Look up the versions online.

http://www.ibs.org/bibles/translations/#KJV

The problem is that you are reading the KJV.
Much more difficult to grasp since many of the words and syntax have changed over time.
Try the NIV, it is crystal clear.

The KJV is a good translation and did provide a valuable translation in it's day, but to say that it is the only one that is valid is a real stretch. It does not even have the advantage of the dead sea scrolls which contain manuscripts which were 1000 years older than the oldest Hebrew manuscripts which were available when the KJV was translated. The NIV, NASB and others have much more modern archeological discoveries to help cast light on the meaning of the Word. No translation is perfect, not even the KJV. The Bible is the Word of God, and God can not be forced into human language. He is infinite! The Holy Spirit interacts with the written word and forms truth. When I was first seeking God, I read the Living Bible, not knowing that it was not even a translation but a paraphrase and praise the Lord, he led me to surrender my heart to Him through the Living Bible.
I would encourage you to lighten up a little. Many people cannot grasp the KJV but are won to Christ through the NIV and other translations.

I also wonder how you think that the Bibles in other languages are OK even though they are not the KJV, but the Bible in more modern English language is somehow not OK. You also give the impression that the modern translations are the work of one man. The NIV was produced by a committee of over 100 different scholars. Furthermore our good friend King James was not exactly a model of the faith.

BTW, God used people with wrong motives in Paul's day:
Phil 1:15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, 19 for I know that through your prayers and the help given by the Spirit of Jesus Christ, what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance.


Perhaps the translators of the KJV were the most perfect and pure in their motives.
Perhaps the translators of the NIV were selfish and ambitious.
"But what does it matter?"
The important thing is that Christ is being preached.
I have had people actually accuse me of being the beast because I was not using the KJV.
They drove people away from the cross.
We as Christians have a lot more important battles to fight than whether or not we should only use th KJV.
Jus preach Christ.
Good night, I can even preach the gospel from the "New World Translation." If that were the only one around.
God is bigger than a 400 year old translation.
Even my spell checker has problems with the KJV
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Good stuff
here is their conclusion on the KJV:
However, the KJV translators had access to only a few ancient manuscripts. Since their day many older manuscripts have been discovered, resulting in a more reliable Greek and Hebrew text. In addition, many words in the KJV are now obscure; others cannot be traced back to the most reliable manuscripts. While IBS is glad to provide the historic KJV, we feel the NIV/TNIV is both more accurate and more readable for today's audience.
They are right on.
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THE NEW LIVING TRANSLATION
Reading Level: Grade 6.3

The New Living Translation (Tyndale, 1996, 2004) is a "thorough revision" of The Living Bible. "More than ninety scholars from various theological backgrounds and denominations [were involved] ... with the goal that it be exegetically accurate and idiomatically powerful.

"Most significantly, the New Living Translation is not a paraphrase but a translation. Every verse has been carefully compared to the most reliable editions of the Hebrew and Greek texts in an effort to make a translation that accurately conveys the meaning of the original texts" (from the Preface to the review copy of Romans).

Does anybody use this Bible that can recommend it? Seems the two worn out Bibles I've had are the Revised Standard Version.

There is no such thing existing as the original manuscripts.
Perhaps some one will some day find one, but it has not happened yet.


you dont have to give them up. It is not either or. Use them all and compare.

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That scripture in amos 8 has been the case for almost two thousand years. While the devils in the likeness of judas have been perverting and writing translations that they have transformed into what they believe. The King james version is no different.
Take for instance the word Ghost, or Spirit

The same exact Greek word translated to all these different meanings.

pneu'ma

Spirit 111
Holy Ghost 89
Spirit (of God) 13
Spirit (of the Lord) 5
(My) Spirit 3
Spirit (of truth) 3
Spirit (of Christ) 2
human (spirit) 49
(evil) spirit 47
spirit (general) 26
spirit 8
(Jesus' own) spirit 6
(Jesus' own) ghost 2
miscellaneous 21

This word meant the same exact thing in the ancient Greek language. What the king james translators did with it is an abomination.

Lets do another word.

diaqhvkh

covenant 20
testament 13

Covenant and testament are the same thing?

To 3am concerning your post #35 and #36:

My sentiment exactly. Only you have managed to express your opinion (coincidently same as mine) on different translations far better than I ever would be able. Over the years I have found also the NIV as the one translation most clear - at least to me. Maybe because English is my second language.
Thanks for excellent post

HH

Allow me to show you one of many grievous mistranslations in the NIV.


Revelation 11
1 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, "Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there.

The original Greek does not say to count the worshipers there it says to measure them. As in this type of measure.

13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.

Hey Sharon. I don't have that Bible, but, do you have Bible software? You can get a ton of translations free at e-sword.net. I almost never use a paper Bible anymore. I have 13 translations from there and it's all in one program. Comes with Strong's dictionary, commentaries and a lot more. It saves all of your study notes into topics also. Awesome tool!

Here's the link: http://www.e-sword.net/downloads.html

Thanks for this info. I have a Strong's Concordance that I use often, but it's huge...and heavy. This is a great find...thank you so much.

Yw. I use it every day. It has a word search just like a concordance too. Very cool!

The problem is that you are reading the KJV.
Much more difficult to grasp since many of the words and syntax have changed over time.
Try the NIV, it is crystal clear.

The KJV is a good translation and did provide a valuable translation in it's day, but to say that it is the only one that is valid is a real stretch. It does not even have the advantage of the dead sea scrolls which contain manuscripts which were 1000 years older than the oldest Hebrew manuscripts which were available when the KJV was translated. The NIV, NASB and others have much more modern archeological discoveries to help cast light on the meaning of the Word. No translation is perfect, not even the KJV. The Bible is the Word of God, and God can not be forced into human language. He is infinite! The Holy Spirit interacts with the written word and forms truth. When I was first seeking God, I read the Living Bible, not knowing that it was not even a translation but a paraphrase and praise the Lord, he led me to surrender my heart to Him through the Living Bible.
I would encourage you to lighten up a little. Many people cannot grasp the KJV but are won to Christ through the NIV and other translations.

I also wonder how you think that the Bibles in other languages are OK even though they are not the KJV, but the Bible in more modern English language is somehow not OK. You also give the impression that the modern translations are the work of one man. The NIV was produced by a committee of around 42 different scholars. Furthermore our good friend King James was not exactly a model of the faith.

BTW, God used people with wrong motives in Paul's day:
Phil 1:15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, 19 for I know that through your prayers and the help given by the Spirit of Jesus Christ, what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance.


Perhaps the translators of the KJV were the most perfect and pure in their motives.
Perhaps the translators of the NIV were selfish and ambitious.
"But what does it matter?"
The important thing is that Christ is being preached.
I have had people actually accuse me of being the beast because I was not using the KJV.
They drove people away from the cross.
We as Christians have a lot more important battles to fight than whether or not we should only use th KJV.
Jus preach Christ.
Good night, I can even preach the gospel from the "New World Translation." If that were the only one around.
God is bigger than a 400 year old translation.
Even my spell checker has problems with the KJV
3am

This e-sword program is wonderful. I downloaded the free version and then ordered my favorite Revised Standard Version for $4.95, and it compares the verses from KJ to the RSV, word for word. Thank you , researcher.

2 things to consider here.

what words are difficult in the KJV? thee, ye, shalt, verily, what words are difficult? the NIV is a translation from the KJV.

is it not the Lord who gives knowledge, wisdom and understanding?

Prov 2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.

Prov 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.





yet in our day the KJV is still the number one book in the world!!!




I can't say if the people are won to Jesus by the NIV or other translation, I would doubt that if I took had a choice.

I would have to say people are won to Jesus by hearing someone speak of him as Paul said

Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

what translation a person is quoting when someone here the Word is debatable.

thanks for the encouragement, but I don't see why I should lighten up, there is not a argument in anyone's post.

what we have here is a good conversation about the word of God, everyone who has participated have given a

opinon where we can all understand without arguing.



i work with greeks, bulgarians, spanish, romanian, we compared our bibles and it says the same thing.

King James is exactly who is is. A king. God uses whoever he wants.



no! that's your impression not mine

niv has its beginning in 1965,
the KJV in 1611

what words are so difficult for the English speaking people to not understand?

thee, ye, etc. come on!

BTW, God used people with wrong motives in Paul's day:
Phil 1:15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, 19 for I know that through your prayers and the help given by the Spirit of Jesus Christ, what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance.




Perhaps. God knows.



Perhaps, what reasonable reason do we need with another translation in english?

maybe the dumbing down of english speaking folk?
maybe to fit there denomination doctrine?



it matters!



what Jesus is being preached?

the one Jesus warned us about?

Mt 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

or the one Paul warned us about?

2Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.



I'm not that person to accuse you of not using the KJV, the lesson I posted is a warning, not a threat.



a person removes himself or herself, we have the final choice.



not so.

the wrong translation may not be about the Jesus in Heaven



you can preach whats in the "New World Translation." and people may follow along or understand if they have the
"New World Translation." with them to read along. if they have different translations amongst them how can they follow along?

With all the different Bible translations we have floating around, it seems a hard task to choose the most accurate one. You might even question the fact of there being an accurate account of the Bible, aside from the original Hebrew Scrolls. Much of this confusion has come about because many modern day religious translators have attempted to interpret the Bible, instead of merely translating it. Therefore, when they translate the Bible they add, change or delete certain words to make it confirm to their religious doctrine. God was aware that this would happen and had John write, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophesy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19).

When King James had the Bible translated he appointed 54 scholars to do the work instead of religious people. This made it possible for him to change the form, from Hebrew and Greek to English, without changing the meaning. In other words he made the Bible say the exact same thing, only in another language. This in itself was a fulfillment of prophecy, "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people" (Isaiah 28:11). The Lord knew that his people would not always remain in their own land, speaking Hebrew, so he had Isaiah to prophesy that he would have his word put into other languages. Now I ask you, is this too hard for God to do?

God has always worked through men, especially kings, to fulfill his word. During the days of Ezra he worked through Cyrus, King of Persia, to fulfill his word. "Now in the first year of Cyrus King of Persia, that the word of the Lord might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus, King of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it in writing..." (Ezra 1:1). The Lord worked through Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon to such a great extent that he even called Nebuchadnezzar his servant although he was not a true servant of God. (See Jeremiah 27:6). Therefore, it should not be hard to believe that God would use King James (another Gentile King) to fulfill his word. If God is God who can stop his purpose. Remember, contrary to popular belief, God rules in the Kingdom of men.

When King James had the Bible translated he appointed 54 scholars to do the work instead of religious people. This made it possible for him to change the form, from Hebrew and Greek to English, without changing the meaning.

the new translations has changed the meaning of words, because as people have pointed out the words don't mean the same now as they did then.

nonsense!!!

hi~

so certain are we? find for me Matthew 17:21 in the NIV - post it.......if you can.
also, find for me 1 John 5:7 in the NIV - post it.......if you can.

of a truth, you value an incomplete counterfeit made in vain by the work of men's hands, children of men who boast to mislead by thinking they can do better than the LORD that made them. again, it is written in Malachi 3:6 (akjv), For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. more-so, hearken to Matthew 24:35, Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. & yet again in Matthew 4:4, But he answered, and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

it is the words of the KJV that are clear, but more-so complete - keeping the LORD as the rightful Messiah & promised King of kings & LORD of lords. the NIV not only divides the divinity of Jesus Christ, it subtely shifts authority to the serpent. know this well by the Spirit of the LORD, that anyone bound to the NIV & anything of its likeness shall never be free of the devil's yoke.

~levite-7