I had this vision roughly 4 years ago. It's brought me much comfort (which I pray it comforts you as well)...but it also has some mystery to it as well.

I saw the heavens, and they were darkened...an open scroll was flying towards me rapidly.

After this, a panoramic vision expanded before my eyes. I saw the Lord, high and lifted up...and the train of his robe filled the temple! I was startled, yet the vision kept me captivated. As I looked upon Him, understandings were flooding my mind. I intuitively KNEW that He was the weightiest of anything found within the universe (this expanded my understanding of "the ROCK")...He literally IS the gravity and that which weighs the most.

My next observation was His overwhelming presence...that presence being my childlike understanding and awe in His *creator* presence. There was a sincere tangibility of *Creator* which surrounded Him. I had feelings of intense awe at His presence. It reminded me of feelings I had as a child(only these feelings were intensified in comparison!), where the world was nothing but fascinating wonderment. Truly He is WONDERFUL. (Not just in the appreciative sense, but in the LITERAL....He is FULL of wonders, His very essence is WONDERFUL).

EVERY part of Him was exalted. Although He was seated upon His throne, I could still distinguish that He is tall (and perfectly, evenly proportioned, of which I've never seen anyone with these perfect dimensions!), and an obvious part of Him which appeared lifted up as well, were His knees! His robe was a seamless, white robe which draped and filled the entire seating area---His feet were not visible due to this, yet a small left-most corner(my left) of the foundation was visible. The foundation appeared to be black onyx. His robe also appeared to be weighty (yet not too thick or fluffy). This glistening, pearly, white robe had strands of gold woven throughout, yet mostly pronounced at the right knee area. (I understood the reason the gold was mostly focused at this area of the right knee, this is where His children come to sit!).

I couldn't help but be amazed at His appearance. Although we are created in His image (both physically as well as spiritually)...there is a definite uniqueness to His appearance. His bodily dimensions and facial features ARE perfect. And when I say "perfect", there is nothing in this earth that can compare to His perfection. I was specifically shown marvelous details of His features. The only way I can put this in human words or understanding is this....His features are likened to a perfect blending of circle and square (yet more circle than square). I've never seen a face which can compare with His. I also intuitively understood that His head was HEAVY. (Not in the depressed sense, but genuinely heavy; as in the weight of His knowledge surpasses that of any created thing). A slight, parted smile gravitated to His left.

At this time, I was shown close up views of His prominent features. His cheeks have a rosy appearance to them, with the cheeks themselves being very rounded. His eyes are also rounded (yet not exact circles). His nose is very rounded. I was specifically shown His left jaw, it is PERFECTLY rounded and at a perfect, right degree angle. (which bespeaks to me, that EVERY single thing which comes out of His mouth IS perfect!). (Not only this, but the roundedness speaks to me of *wholeness* and gave a visual representation that every part of Him IS exalted). I saw the back of His head, and His dark hair was not long, but perfectly squared to the middle of His neck. He is not old looking at all, He is the ancient of days, yet IS ageless!

I've been puzzled why some animals are afraid to look into a person's eyes, but I understand why now...because when He looked directly at me, my breath was taken away! His gaze was so completely weighty! His eyes are the most KNOWING eyes I've ever seen! How could I describe something like this? It was as if He could see right through me, and continue to see for miles upon miles upon miles...that's how much knowledge His eyes possess...absolutely stupefying! (and it gave me an appreciative understanding of *why* animals have this reaction, it is overwhelming).

So MUCH detail was graciously shown to me, truly He blessed me. He appeared to be slightly leaning to His left, and His head was reposed upon an area of (very unique) blackness (this blackness had obvious *substance* to it/faith IS the substance of things hoped for, of things unseen). No man has literally SEEN God the Father at any time...I believe this area where His head was leaning was God the Father's *busom*/Spirit...the unseen GOD. Yet our Father is not darkness, for everything IS light to Him and nothing is hidden from Him. The Lord's left hand appeared to also be supporting His head (as in the *thinking* position), yet also somewhat in this unique black area. He is at the right hand of the Father! The Lord's left ear (area) also has a mystery to it...for this is where a transformation takes place...perhaps translating unseen substance into a reality for the created.

I continued watching His left hand and He brought it over to His right hand which was resting (yet parted open) on His right knee. He took His left hand from the unique blackness (both hands were somewhat *cupped*) and brought it to His left hand (with both hands forming something like this < >). As His right hand started lifting upwards from the left, a marvelous golden substance appeared from nowhere, it took the shape of a reed and grew inbetween them...(this happened very quickly and gained momentum as His hand went higher)...once His right hand reached the area where his shoulder was at, EVERYTHING WAS SUDDENLY CUT OFF! In place of His hand, was now a black square! All I could see was the black square....I could see within this square of darkness, several brown feathers were set up in place). I cannot describe the horrifying feeling I had upon seeing this. It was the abomination which makes desolate/horror. I continued watching until I saw the lower area of this dark square and light was starting to peek through the bottom of it.


The abomination is the mystery I spoke of...And on the wing(the brown feathers I saw in the vision) of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate." (These feathers had the appearance of masquerading as His fingers!...ie-playing god, yet absolutely cutting GOD off and denying Him).

I've pondered this part of the vision quite a bit and the white light which I saw (coming from behind and beneath the black square) seemed to also be the the foot of what could have been throne(s) being set up. The judgment against this monstrosity, and the rewards of ruling and reigning with Him. I also believe this light represents understanding which is coming to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

God bless you all,
Kim

That is a very amazing vision, and the Lord has blessed you very greatly by receiving it.

Do you know what it all means? The Garment Christ wore, the mystery?

Thank you so much Humble Bob...yes, I really was blessed (and hope others are blessed too!). And thanks so much for your questions, I'm more than happy to share my thoughts.

I've thought about His garment and my thoughts are that they have a pearly appearance because He is the "pearl of great price". The white signifies his holiness/righteousness. The garment completely covers Him, except for His face, neck and hands (why His train fills the temple, and His feet do not show, I've wondered about that too...it's His glory I believe...His feet are simply glorious...and He's completely covered in righteousness and holiness,...the fact that He has no seams or hems in His garment would seem to signify that this garment is wholly HOLY, HOLY HOLY IS THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY! hallelujiah!
Although there was gold woven throughout the garment, it did not outweigh the whiteness of the garment...and these golden threads were predominant in the right knee area. I know this signifies His glory of creation...that we all have been created by and through Him...and this is the area also where a child would sit...and the gold itself reminds me that gold is refined and tried through the fire...it speaks of sincere purity).

I wanted to say this earlier as well, that when He looked at me, I feared I would be crushed! LOL...but that's not what happened at all....yet He did have a look that (obviously saw every particle of my being, and even beyond my current place....His understanding soooo surpasses our limited selves, it was a remarkable experience, to say the least).

Concerning the mystery...it starts with the golden reed which He created within His hands. I believe this reed represents the measure of mankind...He knows the beginning to the end. The gold is also possibly referring to those who have faith, because our faith is more precious than gold and yet is tried like gold.

I've really pondered the mystery of the abomination...and I cannot help but believe that this abomination is not restricted to a mere earthly re-built Jewish temple. Something substituted itself in AND beyond God's place. Not only did it do this...but His right hand (in my mind, signifies His power). I'm aware of scriptures in Daniel which mentions our Messiah being cut off, but I think it's speaking of more than His earthly mission of dying upon the cross. From scriptural principles, we understand that the physical comes first, then the spiritual. With that in mind, the first abomination which took place in the physical temple...could it have a spiritual fulfillment as well? I believe this is what He was showing to me. And just like the Jews of old who did not fully grasp the spiritual significance of their rituals and prophecies, so we are here today in a similar place. We have all these wonderous prophecies, but are we really grasping their significant, spiritual import?

In Revelation we find: Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird!

These birds (or the brown feathers which I saw), could represent Satanic spiritual forces in high places (ie-where a "bird" would travel). These evil forces (also representative of the black square, are an evil force, ie-unnaturally opposite to the circle-which is natural) have not only cut God off from His creation, but have gone BEYOND God Himself! (His hand being cut off, ie-blotted out by this crisp, square line of blackness, could it mean that this signifies His power is being denied?...I think it does.)
I cannot fully grasp or convey what I saw, but it was very horrifying. It was soooo unnatural. When I think upon the spiritual condition of the world at large, I cannot help but think of how prevalent atheism is in these modern times. Also, to what degree has atheism affected society's overall view of God in our current timeframe? I don't say that atheism is the ONLY thing to consider as abominable, but I feel it plays either *the* leading role or *a* leading role in this desolation. Humanism is also rooted in atheism. (which does put *man* on his throne!) I'm still praying about these things, and if some thoughts come to your mind as well, by all means, please share!

God bless you!
Kim

What temple?

IAMlives. I must ask you, please do not take it personally, but I must ask you. Did you ever read about the Mysteries, or about the garment of Christ anywhere, in a book or on the Internet? Did your understanding of this come by way of reading these things from somewhere?

In physics, any object traveling at the speed of light has infinite mass. Since God is literally light (spiritually), then, He would have infinite mass, thus, be omnipresent, and, weigh more than anything as He would occupy everything. That would be different from sunlight, or, light we see, because, God is a spirit, but, the same laws would apply I would assume.




Yeah, birds are sometimes symbolic for spirits. Like the HS showing up as a dove. Unclean and hateful birds would unclean spirits, and spirits of hate. The bible also talks evil "beasts" (Lev 26:6, Eze 34:25 etc) which I would assume mean evil men as, animals don't possess the capability to literally be "evil."

Hope that was helpful.

Temple, as in-the area where He abodes, seated upon His throne....in heaven.

Why would I take you personally Humble Bob? Your questions are not bothersome...
My understanding came during the vision itself, as well as during prayer and bible study. I'm not sure what mysteries you are referring to? I'm referring to the symbolic mystery given to us found within the book of Daniel (abomination of desolation).

God bless! Kim

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Researcher, yes they are helpful! His gravity also showed to me His immovability...as in...He is FIRMLY in place...the weightiest rock. He is God and He changes, NOT ( in other words ).

It's funny that you brought up the fact that men are referred to as beasts because I had this on my mind as well after posting. Beasts/governments/men are of the earth, whereas evil spirits have their dominion (momentarily) in the earth (but yet they are in high places...this is where our true battle takes place, for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against rulers and principalities in high places).

It's interesting how God refers to these kingdoms as beasts. Mankind was made in the image of God, yet God is revealing the image they are living up to in His eyes...beasts.

God bless!
Kim

It is well, then Kim, that you saw this first hand, and even still there are forces that seek to confuse. But I keep my sight fixed upon Christ and He shall keep me on the right path for no one can enter by a side door.

There are things written and I have read this:



Have you anything to make of this?

I'm slightly perplexed by your statement here..."It is well, then Kim, that you saw this first hand, and even still there are forces that seek to confuse. But I keep my sight fixed upon Christ and He shall keep me on the right path for no one can enter by a side door."

Specifically, what forces are you referring to that seek to confuse?

As far as the writing which you quoted concerning mysteries, I've never read that. You asked me what I make of it...to be honest with you, it sounds esoteric...(as in, although I do believe God gives us mysteries to seek Him about in order to gain understanding; I do not believe He speaks to a limited amount of enlightened people, or His message soooo mysterious that it cannot be understood through seeking Him, studying the word of God and prayer).

Although I believe what I just stated, I will not dismiss the fact that there are mysteries of and about God which us mere finite beings cannot grasp. But what He specifically shares with us, He intends for us to understand, it should be grasp-able.

Be careful Humble Bob with writings that are outside of the bible, and there are many. I say this with sincerity (and not a grandiose view of my own knowledge)...with all of the varying writings which make the claim that it comes from God, we see varying and differing views of God; which can mislead a person from the revealed truth about God written in the bible.

God bless you,
Kim

somewhere East of Eden...

there is something I came across while researching the rivers flowing out of Eden.
I don't have access to the book of Biblical names or a concordance with me at
the moment, you can probably check this out through google...

in the names there is the revelation of the profoundness of beginning...and the
names reveal this...one of the rivers is associated with the "riddle of the garment
of light".

so I have wondered how it is addressed in Torah. sure wish I was a better
student...O me. Look up the names of the rivers...I don't remember all of them.
and it amazes me that one of them is associated with this, and also the "riddle
of the palm(s)". Let's see... Euphrates, Pison, Tigres and ____________?

Gishon...the fourth river is Gishon.

this is probably one of many on the subject, however, the Book of Biblical names
is good for developing an understanding, and the Strong's concordance.

today i need to be wrapped in His garment, at least touch the hem.

http://www.geocities.com/~Alyza/Jewish/eden.htm

Welcome.

Yeah, in the end it's the beast vs the Lamb. And the Lamb makes... beastchops of him.

HB. I've never read this, although it sounds like the Gospel of Thomas as I perused that book a few times. Whether it's canonical I don't know (in terms of, is it inspired by the HS). But, the only thing I could see is where when Jesus was praying about the disciples and He said this:

Joh 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name which thou hast given me: and I guarded them, and not one of them perished, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Joh 17:13 But now I come to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy made full in themselves.
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them from the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil one.
Joh 17:16 They are not of the world even as I am not of the world.

A few months ago, I asked (Dad) about where we came from seeing all the verses that say we are born of God etc. I was reading a few days later and He showed me this verse as it being literal, as in, we (our spirits) literally aren't from here. I know our bodies are born from flesh parents, so, our bodies are from here (this world, or, born here), so, I believe that what it means is that our spirits are not of this world and literally originated from Him. As it says, only those who are "of" God, can hear His words (Joh 8:47). Which is why not many actually hear from Him and are called.

I suppose what those lines from your post could mean is that, as Jesus said they are not of this world, their spirits could have existed before their bodies (like Jesus' Heb 10:5), and, God literally put their spirits into their earthly bodies when their flesh bodies where born. This would make the statement true that they are not of this world just as Jesus wasn't, as, Jesus' spirit existed before His flesh body did, and, was put into the body God "prepared" for him. The same would have been true for the disciples, except, they didn't have an immaculate birth like Christ's body. All of this would go back to, where do our spirits originate, as, some are "of" God, and, some obviously are not, as Jesus stated in Joh 8:47. Some are created, some birthed or come out of God. But, this is something I don't know if we'll ever know. Even with the HS showing us, it's hard to fathom. But, it is fun trying to find out!

The forces I refer to are spiritual. They appeal to the flesh by the way of vanity. Their intent is to deceive and misguide. My prayer to the Lord is to not deceive nor be deceived.

Yes, there are many writings outside the Bible, and I must tread cautiously, that is why I asked you what you think of what I had posted. But if it sounds esoteric to you it is just as well as your vision sounds esoteric to me because I did not experience it, and furthermore the two both speaks of garments and mysteries. That is why I asked if you had read of this somewhere but you say it was a vision you had and you believe it is from God. I believe it is too.

The excerpt is from the Pistis Sophia. A book that others have classified as gnostic, though I do not know what is gnostic so I do not call it anything. Still, I am unsure. But the Lord did live for 33 years before his crucifixion and all the four Gospels could be read in at least a month with perhaps casual study. Do these four books tell of evey minute detail, of every testimony and of every story of Christ?

Christ did also have disciples other than Matthew, Mark, John and Luke and these others also can write. Then are their accounts in error to the accounts that are made sacred in the Bible? Is the written testimony of Matthew more correct than that of Thomas? Is this the reason why Matthew's testimony is in the Bible today and not Thomas?

Someone made a judgement and kept some of the writings of the disciples of Christ while removing the others. I dread the person who could weigh against the words that may be truth about the Lord that was written by his chosen disciples. I would fear the judgement that Christ might hold against that person if that person were me.

Anyway, what I posted was what I had read from the Pistis Sophia, and I was intrigued but uncertain. Then the next day you post your vision speaking of garments and mysteries, using the same esoteric words I had read the night before. Could this be an affirmation from the Lord? I wondered, which is why I asked you what I had posted.

But either way, thank you for sharing.

love HB

Aye, I have read the Gospel of Thomas. If Thomas had wrote it then it was divinely inspired for Christ had chosen Thomas as a disciple.

Humble Bob,

Here is the garment of light.

And you brother, have these characteristics spiritual wise.

Have a blessed Day !


Psalm 104:2

King James Bible
Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:


Matthew 17:2

King James Bible
And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.



http://www.hanginggardensofbabylon.org/won...bleProphecy.asp

Clothed with the Sun

This woman is described as clothed with the sun, she is wearing garments of light. Clothing in the Bible represents character. Isaiah 64:6, Zechariah 3:3-4

Light in the Bible is symbolic of truth, obedience, and righteousness it also represents the work of the Holy Spirit which leads us into all the truth. John 12:35, Ephesians 5:1-9, John 16:13

This light represents Jesus and that this church recieved it's light and truth directly from Jesus. John 8:12

The woman clothed in light represents the fact that this church is obedient to God's revealed truth and filled with the Holy Spirit. For its clothing it has the righteousness of Christ rather than the "filthy rags" of disobedience and works based religions. (Works based religions are worthless attempts at covering the fact that the Holy Spirit is not with them.) This church obeys God from the heart. Ephesians 6:6, Psalm 40:8, Acts 5:32

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." Matthew 5:16

God The Holy Spirit...Yes... revealed to me nearly daily...

God the Son..Yes...revealed to me on only a couple of occasions.. LOVE!!!

God the Father... revealed only once through the ever so slightest peek

and l was so afraid l almost couldn't go on living

but for his mercy and grace. I'll never forget it.

When l think of a revelation of God l think of fear.

This is why he manifests himself through his other two persons...

so we can receive him.

I hear what I think is the Holy Spirit a lot, and whenever I talk to Jesus I feel like a tap on my right shoulder. Last week I think I caught a glimpse though. I was trying to go to sleep, and I saw a fuzzy image, of a man seated. He resembled the portraits of Jesus done over the years (the brown hair, beard, caucasian ones that are always around), and I saw like a platinum crown on his head, a red robe with white fur lining it, and it's weird, but my heart just started racing, and it was like my whole body became alert.

LOL!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts HB. I've considered many writings outside of what is contained within the bible and by my own observation, the greater majority seems to have a different *flavor* than that of the bible. Although John states that there wouldn't be enough books to contain all of the things which Jesus did, I know there have been plagiarisms. We have it going on today as well, such as the book of Mormon. I've never read the book you are referring to. There is one book which seems to contain truth (although I cannot say the entire book is truth), it's been quoted in Jude (and it also appears to be referred to in other verses, although not direct quotes)...and that is the book of Enoch.

I'm also inclined to believe however that those original books of the Apocrypha should have been left within the bible. Although I may not agree with all of those writings or believe they were truly inspired, I think it should be up to the reader to make that decision for themself. The books of Macabees are good for historical purposes.

When I think of the word *esoteric*, I'm not referring to the types of mysteries found within the bible(or the revealed ways in which He speaks to us). An example of something I consider esoteric is the ritualistic rites performed by Catholic priests, along with their chantings of Latin. Instead of drawing a person closer to God, these rites give the allusion that only those select few have intimacy with God. They shroud God in such a deep mystery that no-one can attain Him (except for the very few who hold the rites themselves).

I hope these words of mine aren't offensive because I want you to know that I do value what you have to offer or say...sincerely!

God bless you,
Kim

Hi Miki,
I'm curious what you saw...if you don't mind sharing?
God bless you,
Kim

I know of a person who has had several unique experiences. After they prayed and worshiped the Lord, they were drifting off to sleep...and went into somewhat of a trance. They described physical sensations (yet not seeing anything during the experience)...it was as though they were having water poured over their head, then being washed. During another experience, they felt as though their hair was being brushed. It touched me to think of how God spiritually takes care of us this intimately; as a Father would His beloved child.

thanks for sharing!
God bless you,
Kim

Had the brushing sensation. Kind of a tingling on the top of my head that travels, and a feeling of my legs being kneaded, but last week when I saw that face. My whole body tingled, and became alert; when I say alert I mean alert, my heart pounded, and for a few days afterwords I couldn't really even fall asleep I had so much energy. The closest explantion I could find was I actually experienced ecstasy; All I've heard of about ecstasy was in parochial school as a kid, and since then aside from a few "attacks" I've been in this constant state of peace, and joy.