Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy People and upon thy holy city, to finesh the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

First things first,,,there are 6 things here.... These thing will happen and the true Christ will be annoited most high....

Daniel 9:25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times."

Now for the good stuff,,,,There are 4 times throughout history that the starting point of the 70 weeks could have begun, but not really lets look,,,,,

1) Cyrus was told to rebuild the temple in II Chronicles 36:22-23 and Ezra 1....539 bc

2) Darius to advance the construction of the temple, as we see in Ezra 6:1. This command was given somewhere between 518 and 519 bc

3) Ezra was to purify the temple and reestablish the sacrifices and ordinances. ezra 4:17 ....457 bc

4) and then Nehemiah was told to rebuild the streets and the walls for defense.....Nehemiah 2:1-9, 444 B.C.

--But if you noticed the first 3 have nothing to do with jerusalem,,,it only talks about the temple, read it!!!

It is an historical fact that the time to rebuild the streets and walls of Jerusalem was 49 years, exactly as Daniel prophesied in Daniel 9:25. "...from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince (Jesus Christ recognized as the Messiah), shall be seven weeks, three score and two weeks."

Im not the greatest at math,,, but if we are discussing a 70 week period (7 weeks + 62 weeks) hey it looks like we have a week missing

Lets see what going on here

In Romans 11:17-24 Paul talked about the time when Gentiles, the wild olive branch, will be grafted onto the good olive tree, the trunk of Abraham. This grafting period, or the gap, is what we now call "the Church age".----Well this time is almost over we are about to roll right off the board of grace and fall into a bucket of wrath....John 3:16. pretty much tells it all.....

Ok lets look at these times (wheres 7 thunders when you need him? ).......

So we can look at the time between 444 BC and 33 AD --but we will deduct 1 year because of the tranfer from BC to Ad,,this is 476 solar years which is 173,855 total solar days.... Using the jewish calender, it would be 483 years for the same time frame. 173,880 Jewish calendar days......

Ok so if you calculate the solar calendar days of 173,855 with the starting date, and then add the 25 days excess from the Jewish calendar, we find the date to be March 30th, 33 A.D., the time Jesus rode into Jerusalem with a multitude of people around him;;;Matthew 21:1-12.....

Daniel 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Rome and the Syrians became cool,,,and they had a big big army Titus came with his huge Roman army against all Judea, to totally destroy the city, and as Jesus prophesied, dismantled the entire temple....

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

following the period we call the Church age. This is the one week of years God set aside to draw His people, called the Jews, back to himself

Halfway into the period, , the Antichrist reveals his true colors, and Satan then turns on the Jews. He stops sacrifices and oblations, and brings the abomination to the temple.....Dude cuts of the communion, and the Passover feast offerings.....

"the desolate", it is a person, and should be translated "desolator". That desolator is the Antichrist. and is Satan himself. It is not a king in Europe, or the middle east, for Satan is the "star" that fell to the earth in Revelation 9:1, and he will be given the key, or the authority to the bottomless pit.

Hi Nightmare,

You might want to be aware that none of the ancient history cited pertains to these verses. In fact, your scripture version skews the original text, due to a contrived "agenda". Given these obstacles one may never arrive to the true prophecy and associated fulfillment as you have attempted.

Please consider a different bible version; a modern fulfillment (in compliance with 12:4 & 9); and using scripture to confirm itself!

With Best Regards,
DaDad

Well I use the KJ but thats just until I get my companion,,,,what bible do you suggest????,,,,also please point out where you think the err is.....You said "none" thats a big word....I wont say im 100% right but there no way im 100% wrong,,,your rebuddle please.....

Hi Nightmare,
Nice to talk with you! I hope I don't disappoint you with my assertion regarding "none", as proposed!

As I tried to suggest, the interpreters and commentators are driven by a "Jesus" fulfillment agenda, thus they contort the original text such that "seven; and sixty-two" are one number. This would be true if the number were 400 and 50 and 7, but Isaac Newton observed that it does "violence" to sum in a fashion used by no peoples in world history. (I.e., a hammer is NEVER quoted as $4 plus $17 by the salesperson.)

So if one evaluated other versions without this contrived text, one could consider the following alternatives: RSV (Revised Standard Version) or the NRSV (New Revised Standard Version); the ESV (English Standard Version); the MSG (Message); or the JPS (Jewish Publication Society); and possibly others.


There are several other interpretative inconsistencies with this chapter which I would like to address after you review this first concept.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

You can get most of those here for free: http://www.e-sword.net/downloads.html

Ok but you havent left anything that you can call truth,,,all you have left is something to consider... So how would you add these numbers if you choose to add them at all?????keep in mind Seventy weeks are determined upon thy People and upon thy holy city, to finesh the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy......" 70

Any other points bring them us because,,,,you gotta long way to try and disprove the way I am adding the 70 weeks,,But How do you add the weeks????if your correct everything should match up no????or be pretty close...

Hi Nightmare,
I believe I've left one thought which is "True". Most bible versions contort scripture to achieve an agenda. This is apparent in that the seven are one sequence, and the sixty-two are another, as NO peoples add numbers in an "odd" fashion.

Please observe that the significance of this "Truth" is that there is a messiah/anointed-one (small "m"/"a") at the end of the seven; and another after the sixty-two.

If you don't like this "Truth", then you probably won't accept the rest, (and yes, there are many more points to consider). -- It's your call.

With Best Regards,
DaDad


PS
Romans 4:3 says: "... Let God be true, and every man a liar ...".
I would propose that most might interpret this as: "Let doctrine be true, and GOD a liar ... ".

Once again, it's your call whether we continue...

It has yet to be determined if what you say is "truth" as you put it..... But im interested to see what your thoughts are....
The best thing is having someone show you your err, if no-one ever does then how will you change to truth???

Yes unfortunately lots of people do carry there own agendas,,,,but I believe that the numbers 7,,, 62 and 1 all fit into the topic here which are 70 weeks,,,maybe I will see it different has you bring up more points to back it up.....I pretty sure im right though but I have the resources to verify,,,and I will go over it in the Greek.....

Looking forward to your other points.....

Hi Again Nightmare,
For reference, you might want to evaluate Newtons thoughts on the seven and sixty-two per the following homepage:

http://www.historicist.com/Newton/p1c10.htm
Paragraph 14: "... We avoid also the doing violence to the language of Daniel, by taking the seven weeks and sixty two weeks for one number. Had that been Daniel’s meaning, he would have said sixty and nine weeks, and not seven weeks and sixty two weeks, a way of numbering used by no nation. "

Per Newtons efforts, he easily dispatched the "classical" interpretation and proceeded to evaluate the prophecies in a more modern context, (i.e., Roman instead of Grecian). Please note that at the conclusion of his research, he refused to publish his writings. I believe it was because ~1730 was still not "the time of the end", per 12:4 & 9.

Thus one should be left with TWO failed interpretations, neither of which comply with the prophecies, or history, or the "time of the end", which I would propose is in fact approximate to 1948.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

PS ... More to follow when you're ready!

lot of reading there,,,so I will go through it and let you know,,,,,but remener the topic is 70 weeks so no matter what you have to end up with 70,,, ending up with any other number is to change the word....

I dont know but I will read over it again,,,but it stills seems to be more of a idea then a fact,,,and there arent any real strong points being presented,,,, but its not the easiest chapter to understand,,,Im not 100% percent sure on it but,,,neither is Newton... I lean more towards this:::::

I. THE FIRST PERIOD is simple, being the "seven sevens", or 49 years.

II. THE SECOND PERIOD. The "threescore and two sevens", or 434 years, from 405 B.C. to A.D. 29 = the year of the "cutting off" of Messiah (see Ap. 50m pp, 60, 61). This was 483 years from the issuing of the decree in 454 B.C. (i.e. 49 + 434 = 483 years).

The "cutting off" of Messiah is stated as being "after" the "threescore and two weeks". The word "after", here, evidently means, and is intended to be understood as indicating, the completion of the period named; i.e. on the expiration of the sixty-two sevens will "Messiah be cut off". Beyond this exactness it is hardly necessary for us to go.

III. THE THIRD PERIOD. This is the one seven, i.e. the seventieth (or "last"), seven which has still to be accounted for.

That it must be yet future seems certain, from the agreement of its events with those of the visions of chapters 7-12 (Ap. 89), and the numbered "days" of chs. 8:14 and 12:7, 11, 12 (Ap. 90); also from the fact that none of the six definite events (of 9:24), which mark its end has as yet taken place (*1). These belong to the whole seventy sevens, and are thus connected with the seventieth or last seven, being the object and end of the whole prophecy. The following three, among other reasons, may be added :--

1. If the seventieth, or "one seven", is to be reckoned from the cutting off of Messiah in direct, continuous, and historic sequence, then it leads us nowhere -- certainly not to any of the six events of v. 24, which are all categorically stated to relate to Daniel's People, "all Israel" (v. 7), and to the holy City "Jerusalem".

No interpretation which transfers these six events to Gentiles or to Gentile times, is admissible.

If they are continuous, then there is no point or crisis in the Acts of the Apostles which marks their end. If they coincided with any events of importance, such as the end of Peter's ministry or the beginning of that of Paul, or Acts 12 and 13, that would be something. But there is nothing.

2. Messiah was to "have nothing" that was His, "after" His cutting off. This clearly points to the crucifixion of Messiah, and the rejection of His Messianic kingdom. For nearly 2,000 years Messiah has "had nothing" of all the many "glorious things" which have been spoken of Him, in connection with Himself or with His People Israel.

3. This last, or "one seven" of years, is divided into two distinct equal parts (see Ap. 90), and the division takes place in connection with an event which has no connection whatever with any event which has yet taken place. Messiah did not "make a (not the) covenant" of any kind, either with Israel or with any one else, at the end of, or "after" the sixty-ninth week; nor did He "break" any covenant three and a half years later. Man may "make" and "break" covenants, but Divine Covenants are never broken.

On the other hand : of "the prince that shall come" it is distinctly stated that he shall do both these very things (vv. 26, 27); and, in Ap. 89 and 90 both are connected with "the time of the end".

Hence, we are forced to the conclusion that this last seven of years still awaits its fulfilment; and this fulfilment must be as literal and complete as that of all the other parts of this vision and prophecy; for the end must be the glorious consummation for Israel of v. 24, the complete destruction of "the coming prince" (the false Messiah or Antichrist), and the setting up of the Messiah's kingdom.

Nothing less will satisfy all the requirements of Daniel's vision of "the seventy weeks".

The Hebrew word rendered "week" is shabua', and means, simply, a "septad", a "hebdomad", or a seven, hence a week, because it is a seven (of days). But in this passage it is confessedly used of a seven of years; and this of necessity, for no other seven of any other portion of time will satisfy the prophecy and fall within its terminus a quo, and the terminus ad quem.

Seventy of these sevens of years (or 490 years) are the one subject of this prophecy. We are told exactly when they would commence, and how they were to end. They sum up, within their bounds, all the then counsels of God as to His future dealings with His People Israel; for they are "determined" (the angel said to Daniel) "upon thy People, and upon they Holy City" (v. 24). These words cannot have any other interpretation than "all Israel" (v. 7), and Jerusalem, and the Holy Sanctuary; for that had been the subject of Daniel's prayer, to which this prophecy was sent as the specific answer. (See vv. 2, 7, 16, 17, 18, 19, and especially v. 24.)

These "seventy sevens [of years]" are divided into three distinct and separate periods :--
I. The seven sevens, or 49 years.
II. The sixty-two sevens, or 434 years.
(I. and II. = 483 years.)
III. The one seven, or 7 years.
(I., II., and III. = 490 years)

The terminus a quo of the whole period is the issuing of a decree "to restore and to build (or rather, rebuild) Jerusalem."

The terminus ad quem of the whole period is the cleansing of the Sanctuary. This is also the end of all the visions of Daniel in chaps. 7-12 (Ap. 89); and all the numbered "days" of 7:25; 8:14; and 12:7, 11, 12, have this cleansing as their object and end.

As to the whole period, Daniel is bidden by the angelic Hierophant to "understand ... and consider" (v. 23); while, as to its three separate divisions, Daniel is to "know therefore and understand" (v. 25). See the Structures of these passages, pp. 1196, 1198, 1199.

THE FIRST PERIOD. The seven sevens (or 49 years). These commence with "the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem".

This was in the first month, Nisan, 454 B.C. (see Ap. 50, pp. 60, 67, and 70). Hanani's report to Nehemiah was made in the ninth month Chisleu, in 455 B.C., three months before; both months being in the "twentieth year of Artaxerxes". See notes on Neh. 1:1 and 2:1; also on pp. 615-18; and Ap. 57.

The ARTAXERXES (or Great King) of Neh. 1:1; 2:1, who issues this decree, is identified with the great king ASTYAGES. (See Ap. 57.)

ASTYGES was brother-in-law to Nebuchadnezzar. The madness of the latter had at this time lasted for seven years. ASTYGES had evidently in imperial matters been acting for his brother-in-law. This seems to be clear from the fact that the decree was issued in Shushan, and not Babylon; and no one, however great a potentate he might be, would have dared to issue such a decree, connected with the affairs of the suzerainty of Babylon, unless he possessed the authority to do so.

Therefore it may be put thus : In Nisan, 454 B.C., ASTYAGES (i.e. Artaxerxes = the Great King) issued the decree spoken of in Dan. 9:25. Later, in the same year, Nebuchadnezzar's "madness" was lifted off him. "At the end of the days" his understanding and reason returned to him, it seems, as suddenly as they had left him; and he thereupon issued his imperial proclamation throughout his dominions, as recorded in Dan. 4:34-37. See the note there on v. 34.

The seven sevens therefore, meaning seven sevens of literal years, occupied 49 years (454 B.C. to 405 B.C. = 49 years). They began in 454 B.C. with the decree, and end with the completion of the walls and the dedication of the Temple in 405 B.C. See Ezra 6:10, 15-19.

It must be remembered that the issuing of this decree took place long before Ezra appeared on the scene; and before any of the subsequent decrees of other monarchs, which all had to do with the Temple; whereas the first, issued to Nehemiah (2:1), had to do only with the "City" and its "walls". See the notes on Ezra-Nehemiah, and Appendix 58. (*3)

THE SECOND PERIOD. The sixty-two sevens (or 434 years). These follow on directly from the end of the seven sevens of the First Period, and close with the cutting off of the Messiah.

THE THIRD PERIOD. The last, or the seventieth seven. This period is yet future, and awaits the same literal fulfilment as the other two periods.

(*1) Archbishop Ussher's Chronology was first added to the A.V. by Bishop Lloyd in the edition of 1701. But, in Neh. 2:1, Bishop Lloyd put his own date "445 B.C.", to suit his own theory. Archbishop Ussher's date for the commencement of the reign of Artaxerxes was A.M. 3531, which, in his Collatio Annorum, corresponds to 474 B.C. "The twentieth year of Artaxerxes" would, therefore, be 454 B.C., as given above.

(*2) The era called "Anno Domini" was first fixed by a monk (Denys le Petit, commonly know by his Latin name, Dionysius Exiguus), about A.D. 532. It did not come into general use for some centuries. Charles III of Germany was the first who used the expression, "in the year of our Lord", in 879. It was found afterward that a mistake had been made by fixing the era four years too late! this explains the marginal notes in Matt. 2:1 and Luke 2:20, "The fourth year before the Common Account called Anno Domini." (In some editions of the A.V. we have seen "the fifth year", Luke 2:1, also "the sixth year", Luke 1:6.) Hence, the year called A.D. 33 was really the year A.D. 29. This, with 454, makes exactly 483 years, or 69 weeks of years.

(*3) N.B. There was a further division of this first period of seven sevens which may be mentioned. From the decree of Neh. 2:1 to the end of the Babylonian servitude (see notes on p. 615), which was the "first year of DARIUS" ( = CYRUS, see Ap. 57) the son of ASTYAGES, was 28 years (454 - 426 = 28); and those events closed the fourth of the seven sevens. See Ap. 50, p. 60.


But how to count the 70 weeks should not limit you to bringing up other ideas...

John 2
20 Then the Jews said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?"







.

That's neat! So I suppose the call to rebuild preceded actual work by 3 years?

Christ also ministered for a little over 3 years.

Scripture interprets scripture.

Cool!

In Christ,

Mike

Is that a Baby Messiah the Prince or a full grown Messiah the Prince?

Hi Nightmare

here is where you lose me.

1; where is the antichirst in the above verse?
2; where is the antichrist stoping the sacrifices in the verse?
3;why are you changing words?

I ask you

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

who is the He? Jesus or antichrist

who confirms convenants in the bible? Jesus or the Antichirst

and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

Who stopped sacrifices in this verse? Jesus or antichrist

and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined

this abominations has a plural to it, you jumped from titus and the roman strait to endtime. why?

shall be poured upon the desolate

the desolate in the verse is Israel in 70AD. you cannot change words!!! it don't say desolator, it says desolate.

Jeremiah is talking about Jesus, the Jews and Jersualem.

Hi Nightmare,
I would like to reiterate, that both the "classical" and "Newton" versions are failures. Certainly Newton correctly recognizes that the "seven" are one time duration, and the "sixty-two" another, but Newton refused to publish his own research, -- because he knew it was indefensible, and he had integrity! -- Thus, SIR Isaac Newton!


Regarding the "weeks"
We are led to believe that the text supports a "7" multiplier for each of the time durations (seven, sixty-two, and seventieth). However the literal text actually discounts that premise. Please allow me to provide the following definitions:


SHEBA, SHEBUAH, (Feminine); and SHIBIYM, SHABUWA, "Weeks" -- Ref: (please note my "help" in [] brackets)


Text NOT selected for use:
Strong's #7651, sheba, [feminine], or shibah (masculine) from #7650, a prim. cardinal number; seven ...
Strong's #7620, shebuah [singular, feminine]

Text WAS selected for use:
Strong's #7657, shibiym, muliple of #7651 [masculine]
-- seventy shibiym; seven shibiym; sixty-two shibiym --
Strong's #7620, shabuwa, [singular, masculine], -- #7620, also shebuah (feminine)
-- seventieth shabuwa --


This concept revolves around the use of feminine versus masculine gender text. Please be aware that nearly all scripture is in the concise femimine gender, and it is "unusual" to use the imprecise masculine. In the book, “Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation,” John Walvoord writes regarding the interpretation of the seventy “weeks":


“...Montgomery, for all of his scholarship and knowledge of the history of interpretation, ends up with no reasonable interpretation at all.” 1

“...as Young points out, the word ‘sevens’ is in the masculine plural instead of the usual feminine plural. No clear explanation is given except that Young feels ‘it was for the deliberate purpose of calling attention to the fact that the word “sevens” is employed in an unusual sense.’” 2

“...Young finally concludes after some discussion that Keit and Kliefoth are correct when they hold that the word ‘sevens’ does not necessarily mean year-weeks, but an intentionally indefinite designation of a period of time measured by the number seven, which chronological duration must be determined on other grounds.” 3


If one were to consider that if Daniel intended the literal "seven", then he would have used the "usual" feminine sheba (#7651) or shebuah (#7620). Unfortunately for the "classical" commentators, Daniel used the respective "unusual" masculine shibiym (plural) and shabuwa (singular). Thus the duration is not a fixed "seven" but rather a different significance.

I would propose that the "masculine" span is a mix of "years" and "week-of-years", as dual cited in 9:2 "years" and 9:24-27 "weeks".


Please let me know when you're ready to proceed to the next concept. -- There's still several more to go!

With Best Regards,
DaDad

1 John Wolvoord, Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation, Moody Press, Chicago, 1971, p. 217
2 IBID, p. 217
3 IBID, p. 218

This army is on Satan's part. Remember in Mark 13:14 where Jesus said, "But when ye shall see the Abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains:"---The word "it" is should be translated "he"


"On the wings of abomination shall the desolator come in, and on the wing shall ye see the desolator." So the thing that we must pay attention to is the identity of the desolator. Satan is the desolator, and it is not the conditions of desolation, but a person, the devil who is Satan will be the desolator to cause the abomination. Satan is the false messiah, and when you see this desolator standing in Jerusalem and making the claim that he is God.....

still reading

What is the answer to this question?

Hi Dude,

If I might suggest, -- it's neither:

Daniel 9:25 the Chosen Leader: Or " a chosen leader." In Hebrew the word " chosen" means " to pour oil (on someone's head)." In Old Testament times it was the custom to pour oil on a person's head when that person was chosen to be a priest or a king.
Contemporary English Version, http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=46;

Thus the capital "M" Messiah, or capital "A" Anointed-one, or capital "C" Chosen, are not capital at all. They're all small "m"/"a"/"c".

I would propose that any Jewish/Israeli leader (i.e., king or prime minister) meets this diction.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

The 70 Weeks of Daniel
Ikvot ha'Mashiach

A Bible Study by Jack Kelley

Many believe that Daniel 9:24-27 is the most important passage of prophecy in all of Scripture. Almost every mistake I've run across in studying the various interpretations of End Times Prophecy can be traced back to a misunderstanding of this passage.

Before plowing into it let's back up a little and review the context. Daniel was an old man, probably in his eighties. He'd been in Babylon for nearly 70 years and knew from reading the recently published scroll of Jeremiah's writings (specifically the part we know as Jeremiah 25:8-11) that the 70-year captivity God had ordained for Israel was just about over. The reason for this judgment was Israel's insistence upon worshiping the false gods of their pagan neighbors. Its duration of 70 years came from the fact that for 490 years they had neglected to let their farmland lie fallow one year out of every seven as God had commanded in Leviticus 25:1-7. The Lord had been patient all that time but finally had sent them to Babylon to give the land the 70 years of rest that were due. (2 Chron. 36:21)

The beginning of Daniel 9 documents Daniel's prayer, reminding the Lord that the 70 year time of punishment was nearly over and asking for mercy on behalf of his people. Before he could finish his prayer, the angel Gabriel appeared to him and spoke the words that we know as Daniel 9:24-27. Let's read the whole thing to get the overview and then take it apart verse by verse.

Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and your Holy City to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most Holy. Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until The Anointed One the Ruler comes there will be seven weeks and sixty two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench but in times of trouble. After the sixty two weeks the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue till the end and desolations have been decreed. He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. In the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the Temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation until the end that is decreed is poured out on him Daniel 9:24-27).

No prophecy in all of Scripture is more critical to our understanding of the end times than these four verses. A few basic clarifications are in order first, then we'll interpret the passage verse by verse. The Hebrew word translated weeks (or sevens) refers to a period of 7 years, like our word decade refers to a period of 10 years. It literally means "a week of years." So 70 weeks is 70 X 7 years or 490 years. This period is divided into three parts, 7 weeks or 49 years, 62 weeks or 434 years, and 1 week or 7 years. Let's begin.

Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and your Holy City to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most Holy (place) (Daniel 9:24).

These 6 things would be accomplished for Daniel's people (Israel) and Daniel's Holy City (Jerusalem) during a specified period of 490 years. I've inserted the word "place" after Holy at the end of the verse to clarify the fact that it refers to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.

Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until The Anointed One the Ruler comes there will be seven weeks and sixty two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench but in times of trouble (Daniel 9:25).

Here is a clear prophecy of the timing of the First Coming. When this message was given to Daniel by the angel Gabriel, Jerusalem had lain in ruin for nearly 70 years and the Jews were captive in Babylon. Counting forward for 62 + 7 periods of 7 years each (a total of 483 years) from a future decree giving the Jews permission to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, they should expect the Messiah.

Here it's important to distinguish the decree that freed the Jews from their captivity from the one that gave them permission to rebuild Jerusalem.

When he conquered Babylon in 535BC Cyrus the Persian immediately freed the Jews. It had been prophesied 150 years earlier in Isaiah 44:24-45:6 and was fulfilled in Ezra 1:1-4. But according to Nehemiah 2:1 the decree to rebuild Jerusalem was given in the first month of the 20th year of his reign by King Artaxerxes of Persia (March of 445 BC on our calendar, about 90 years later). Exactly 483 years after that the Lord Jesus rode in to Jerusalem on a donkey to shouts of "Hosanna", on the only day in His life He permitted His followers to proclaim Him as Israel's King, fulfilling Daniel's prophecy to the day! The Hebrew in 9:25 calls Him Messiah the Prince, denoting the fact that He was coming as the Anointed Son of the King and was not yet crowned King Himself.

In Luke 19:41-45, He reminded the people of the specific nature of this prophecy. As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said, "If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace--but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you." He held them accountable for knowing Daniel 9:24-27.

A few days later He extended that accountability to those who would be alive in Israel during the End Times. "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand-- then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. (Matt 24:15) They are also required to understand Daniel 9.

After the sixty two weeks the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue till the end and desolations have been decreed (Daniel 9:26).

First came 7 sevens (49 years) and then 62 sevens (434 years) for a total of 69 sevens or 483 years. At the end of this 2nd period their Messiah would be executed (literally destroyed in the making of a covenant) having received none of the honor, glory and blessing the Scriptures promised Him, and the people of a ruler yet to come would destroy Jerusalem and the Temple. The Israelites would be scattered abroad and peace would elude the world.

We all know that Jesus was crucified, establishing the New Covenant in the process, and 38 years later the Romans put the torch to the city and the Temple destroying both. Surviving Jews were forced to flee for their lives and in the ensuing 2000 years I don't believe a single generation has escaped involvement in a war of some kind.

And then something strange happened: The Heavenly clock stopped. 69 of the 70 weeks had passed and all that was prophesied to happen during those 483 years had come to pass but there was still one week (7 years) left. There are hints in the Old Testament that the clock had stopped several times before in Israel's history when for one reason or another they were out of the land. And in the New Testament we're also given hints that while God is dealing with the Church, time ceases to exist for Israel (Acts 15:13-18). But the clearest indication is that the events foretold in Daniel 9:27 simply haven't happened yet.

He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. In the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the Temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation until the end that is decreed is poured out on him(9:27).

Here is the missing 70th week, but before we try to understand it let's recall a rule of grammar that will help make our interpretation correct. The rule is this: Pronouns refer to the closest previous noun. "He" being a personal pronoun refers to the closest previous person, in this case the "ruler who will come." So a ruler who will come from among the old Roman Empire (European Union?) will confirm a 7 year treaty with Israel that permits them to build a Temple and re-instate their Old Covenant worship system. 3 1/2 years later he will violate this treaty by setting up an abomination that causes the Temple to become desolate, putting an end to their worship. This abomination brings the wrath of God down upon him and he will be destroyed.

The most obvious way in which we know these things haven't happened is that the Jewish Old Covenant worship system requires a Temple and there hasn't been one since 70 AD when the Romans destroyed it.

Some say this prophecy was fulfilled during the Roman destruction but most believe it's yet future, partly because of the term Abomination that causes Desolation. It's a specific insult to God that has happened only once previously. Antiochus Epiphanes, a powerful Syrian king, had attacked Jerusalem and entered the Temple area in 168BC. There he had sacrificed a pig on the Temple altar and erected a statue of the Greek god Zeus with his own face on it in the Holy Place. He then required everyone to worship it on pain of death. This rendered the Temple unfit for worshiping God and so incensed the Jews that they revolted and defeated the Syrians. This event is recorded in Jewish history (1st Maccabees) where it's called the Abomination that caused Desolation. The subsequent cleansing of the Temple is celebrated to this day in the Feast of Hanukkah.

Paul warned us that in the latter days a world leader will become so powerful that he will exalt himself above everything that is called god or is worshiped and will stand in the Temple proclaiming himself to be God (2 Thes 2:4). In Rev 13:14-15 we're told that he'll have a statue of himself erected and require everyone to worship it on pain of death. In Matt 24:15-21 Jesus says that the Abomination that causes Desolation spoken of by Daniel will kick off the Great Tribulation, a period of time 3 1/2 years long that coincides with the last half of Daniel's 70th week. The similarities between this coming event and the one from history being so obvious, most scholars are persuaded that one points to the other since nothing in the intervening years fits so completely.


Soon And Very Soon
Perhaps because of a devastating war in the Middle East, a new leader will soon emerge on the scene. With great personal charisma and a plan end to all wars, he will captivate and control the world. Since all true believers will have recently disappeared from Earth, he'll have no trouble persuading most remaining inhabitants that he is the promised Messiah, the Prince of Peace. He will astound and amaze them all with feats of diplomacy and conquest, even performing the supernatural.



But when he claims to be God, all hell will break loose on Earth and 3 1/2 years of the most terrible times mankind has ever known will threaten their very existence. But before they're all destroyed the real Prince of Peace will return and overthrow this impostor. He will set up His kingdom on earth, a kingdom that will never be destroyed nor left to another.



Having given His life to finish transgression, put an end to sin, atone for wickedness and bring in everlasting righteousness, and having fulfilled all Biblical vision and prophecy, He will anoint the most Holy Place and receive all the honor, glory and blessing the Scriptures promised Him. Israel will finally have her Kingdom restored and will live in peace with God in her midst, and you and I as the bride of the Christ will rule and reign with Him forever. You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah.
..............................................benny

Waz up Dude ,,,,,Im thinking grown up Jesus,,,or somewhere between 30 and 33 but any thoughts....

Hi Benny B,
Please be aware that the Jack Kelley study is without any foundation whatsoever, -- with the possible exception that it was indeed written by Daniel in the Babyloinian Empire era.
With Best Regards,
DaDad

Nightmare the verse don't say desolator.

it says poured upon the desolate.


Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

it says overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate,

who is the HE who spreads abominations and make it desolate?


Daniel said

Dan 9

1: In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;
2: In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

why are you going to Mark?

when Daniel said he understood by books of Jeremiah.


Daniel went into captivity under the babylonians, he is now in the captivity of In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes

he needed to understand why the seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem is not fulfilled.

when you read the books of Jeremiah as Daniel did you begin to understand that Jeremiah spoke of the Latter babylon and not Nabuchadnezzer Babylon.

then you begin to understand that the 70 weeks has to do with Jesus, the Jews and Jerusalem as vs 24 tell us.

24: Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,

to finish the transgression

, and to make an end of sins,

and to make reconciliation for iniquity,

and to bring in everlasting righteousness,

and to seal up the vision and prophecy,

and to anoint the most Holy.

(Literal Version)
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week. And in the middle of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease. And on a corner of the altar will be abominations that desolate, even until the end. And that which was decreed shall pour out on the desolator.

(Young's Literal Translation)
Dan 9:27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many--one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'

(RV)
Dan 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and for the half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the consummation, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolator.

(KJVR)
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(Jewish Publication Society)
Dan 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and upon the wing of detestable things shall be that which causeth appalment; and that until the extermination wholly determined be poured out upon that which causeth appalment.'

(Hebrew)
Dan 9:27 והגביר ברית לרבים שׁבוע אחד וחצי השׁבוע ישׁבית זבח ומנחה ועל כנף שׁקוצים משׁמם ועד־כלה ונחרצה תתך על־שׁמם׃

(Good News Bible)
Dan 9:27 That ruler will have a firm agreement with many people for seven years, and when half this time is past, he will put an end to sacrifices and offerings. The Awful Horror will be placed on the highest point of the Temple and will remain there until the one who put it there meets the end which God has prepared for him."

(Douay Rheims Bible)
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fail: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and the desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.

(ASV)
Dan 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.

(NIV)
Dan 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him

(The Message)
Dan 9:27 "'Then for one seven, he will forge many and strong alliances, but halfway through the seven he will banish worship and prayers. At the place of worship, a desecrating obscenity will be set up and remain until finally the desecrator himself is decisively destroyed.'"

(ESV)
Dan 9:27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week,[a] and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."

(Amplified)
Dan 9:27 And he shall enter into a strong and firm covenant with the many for one week [seven years]. And in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and offering to cease [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and upon the wing or pinnacle of abominations [shall come] one who makes desolate, until the full determined end is poured out on the desolator.



Take your pick! Lol! I'm sure there are a few I missed lol.

I pick the most used and most read bible which is the english version of the KJV


27: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

it makes more sense. it was translated without a Catholic or Protestant slant and most important ot was translated for english speaking servants of God.

with the KJV the bible interprets itself

Isaiah 28

9: Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10: For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12: To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13: But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

and a servant can

2Tm 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

and


Rv 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20: He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21: The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

I pick the HS's version. And since He hasn't told me, I'll sit this one out.

Hey Researcher,
Long time no talk!

I liked your well presented (as always) verse 27 versions, but you DID leave the best one out!
-- The original Hebrew!

As I suggested to Nightmare, if one considers the prior verses "weeks", in its masculine context, along with some other considerations, one should quickly discover that the prophecy JUMPS out of history, and the interpretation clears right up!

However, without that perspective, it's closer to five blind guys and an elephant. -- Nothing seems to make sense.

With Absolute Best Regards,
DD

About the Decree spoken in Daniel:

It was Darius, The Mede who conquered the Babylonian Kingdom, and he did this in the year 455 BC. After his death, Cyrus took over the Persian kingdom, and gives the decree to build a house for God to all God’s people scattered in his Kingdom. Although few take up the offer, the great majority of Jews stayed put, It was something like thanks, but no thanks. Before the deportation to Babylon there were almost one Million Jews. After the deportation for when the decree was given out, there were about 300,000, Jews scattered, yet only few take up this offer from the King.

And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old. Daniel 5:13 (Darius, the Mede reigns 1 year)

But in the first year of Cyrus the king of Babylon the same king Cyrus made a decree to build this house of God. Ezra 5:13

In the first year of Cyrus the king the same Cyrus the king made a decree concerning the house of God at Jerusalem, Let the house be builded, the place where they offered sacrifices, and let the foundations thereof be strongly laid; the height thereof threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof threescore cubits; Ezra 6:13 (Cyrus reigns 3 years)

Now who is the real ENEMY of Israel:
Ask anyone in Israel today, even a child IN ISRAEL can tell you who Israel’s enemies are. If you go to them and tell them that their real enemy is The European Union, they’ll think you are utterly crazy, deranged or a complete Idiot! --Israel’s enemies are the Moslem hordes! --Is it very hard to see that? Time and time again, specially Iran have said publicly that they will wipe Israel off the MAP!

A few comments that they have made:
May 8, 2008
"Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken." "Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation.… (Israel) has reached the end like a dead rat after being slapped by the Lebanese." (Remarks on Israel's Independence Day, as quoted by Iran's official IRNA news agency)

November 13, 2006
"Israel is destined for destruction and will soon disappear" Israel is "a contradiction to nature, we foresee its rapid disappearance and destruction." (as quoted by Iranian state television)

October 19, 2006
"The Zionist regime is counterfeit and illegitimate and cannot survive" (as quoted by Iranian state television)

August 4, 2006
"A new Middle East will prevail without the existence of Israel."(as quoted by Malaysian news agency Bernama website)

May 11, 2006
Israel is "a regime based on evil that cannot continue and one day will vanish."(to a student rally in Jakarta, Indonesia)

October 26, 2005
"Israel must be wiped off the map … The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world . . . The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of the war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land."
(In an address to 4,000 students at a program titled, 'The World Without Zionism')


Now the rendition of Daniel: Daniel 9:24-27

This is talking about two periods, 7weeks and 62 weeks. Daniel purposely does this two indicate two periods of time; these verses also have a double fulfillment (dual prophecy). There is the former one which most of you know about the coming of Christ. Then there is a latter fulfillment, just prior to the image being set up in the temple wing, which starts the tribulation period of 1,260 days. The former talks in years the latter is in literal weeks. The latter is indicating 7 weeks or rather 49 days. This is the end period of the feast of Unleavened bread to the day of PENTECOST. Just as the first early Christians on the day of Pentecost received the double portion spirit, so in this time again the double portion spirit will be given again to the first fruits. Read the verse CAREFULLY.

“Seventy ‘sevens’ [this is the end period of the 70 weeks, which at the end give rise to the kingdom of God on Earth] are decreed for YOUR PEOPLE [Jewish people] and YOUR HOLY CITY to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy [the prophecy was sealed for a long time] and to anoint the most holy. [This did not happen at the first coming of the Christ. The Jewish people today are still sinning; wickedness is still done in Israel today. There is no everlasting righteousness in Israel or Jerusalem today]

“Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem [period no1] UNTIL the Anointed One [period no2], THE RULER [this ruler (not the Christ) spoken further down in this verse, which gives it the dual prophecy], comes [To the sanctuary], there will be seven ‘sevens,’ [period No1] and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ [Period no2] It will be rebuilt with streets and a TRENCH, but in times of TROUBLE. [This is a dual prophecy, the former which you already know and a latter one] [There is a period of 49 years then another period of 434 years. But there is also a HIDDEN period of 49 days then another period of 434 days]

AFTER the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. [Now this bit of prophecy is ALSO talking about the last days] The people of THE RULER [the little horn] who will come will DESTROY the city [Jerusalem] and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood [this Flood is the one spoken in revelation about the dragon]: War [The war that the little horn pursues against the saints] will continue until the end, and desolations [this is the abomination that causes desolation period OR DAYS] have been decreed. [which is just 1,260 days no more or less]

[Continuing with the prophecy] He [the little horn, spoken in Daniel] will confirm a covenant [we today do not know exactly what this agreement will be with the people of Zion] with many [these are the insincere people that Daniel spoke about] for one ‘seven.’ [7 years, the last seven remaining of the seventy weeks] In the middle of the ‘seven’ he [little horn] will put an end to sacrifice [Morning and Evening sacrifices] and offering. And on a wing of the temple [at the North gate of the temple inside the Courtyard] he [little horn] will set up [image that is] an abomination that causes desolation [with this action this starts the tribulation time and a mourning time for the two prophets in Rev], until the end that is decreed is poured out on him [the little horn].’” [this will be just after the 1,260 days, he will be thrown into the lake of fire. But his other 10 rulers will continue for a while]

What's up DD!

Hey, check again. I put the Hebrew version in there! (it's in the middle and I don't understand what it says) LOL!

God's blessings!

Hey Researcher,
Sure enough, you ARE absolutely thorough! LOL
DD