Malachi 3:3 says; 'He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver.'

This verse puzzled some women in a bible study and they wondered what this statement meant about the character and nature of God.

One of the women offered to find out the process of refining silver and get back to the group at their next Bible Study.
That week, the woman called a silversmith and made an appointment to watch him at work. She didn't mention anything about the reason for her interest beyond her curiosity about the process of refining Silver.

As she watched the silversmith, he held a piece of silver over the fire and let it heat up. He explained that in refining silver, one needed to hold the silver in the middle of the fire where the flames were hottest as to burn away all the impurities.
The woman thought about God holding us in such a hot spot; then she thought again about the verse that says: 'He sits as a refiner and purifier of silver.' She asked the silversmith if it was true that he had to sit there in front of the fire the whole time.

The man answered that yes, he not only had to sit there holding the silver, but he had to keep his eyes on the silver the entire time it was in the fire. If the silver was left a moment too long in the flames, it would be destroyed.
The woman was silent for a moment. Then she asked the silversmith, 'How do you know when the silver is fully refined?'

He smiled at her and answered, 'Oh, that's easy -- when I see my image in it.'

If today you are feeling the heat of the fire, remember that God has his eye on you and will keep watching you until He sees His image in you.

This very moment, someone needs to know that God is watching over them....

And, whatever they're going through, they'll be a better person in the end.

Beloved Zeetz. There is more truth in what you had just wrote than you might have realized!

Beautiful post Zeetz.
Thank you so.


A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.

Proverbs 25:11





http://www.clarion-call.org/extras/malachi.htm

Thank you, Zeetz :


EXCERPT:
POST#11
Frequent Visitor In Dream Not An Angel?, Very bad dream
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...t=6&start=6



http://benjaminthecupsceptreofchrist.blogspot.com/

Wow again, I just posted my dream from lst night and came across this post. I followed the link you (crownseven) posted and I think I see a connection between what I am dreaming and Benjamins cup(??) but Im not sure what that connection is. I cant wait to hear what you have to say!!!



Yes,

Seeing the connection (Vau) between what you AngelMae, are dreaming and
Benjamin's cup.


Because of the continuance of the 4 and 14 . . . and the association of the yellow:

These numbers represent the yellow : 90 + 20 + 4 = 114


The time I woke up last night was : eastern time 2:04 a.m.

Due to the 20 being in the time and the 04 being in the time, seems most certainly that
Melangel and AngelMae . . . and crownsevenalphabet are looking at Benjamin.


AngelMae:

You posed this question :

"but Im not sure what that connection is" . . . in reference to Benjamins cup ?


Think about how many dreams you are having that Mark of the Beast are messages
within.

These dreams are helping us to remember to fill our cup with the oil of the Holy Spirit.

To overflow . . .` the cup ` . . . of provision of proper oil in the lamps . . . for the bride virgin
journey to meet the bridegroom (Jesus).

The silver cup hidden in Benjamins bag, was the purpose of his big brother Joseph,
to mark Benjamin (12th son of Jacob) . . . with the silver cup.

The discovery of the silver cup, lead to the re-uniting of the 12 brothers.

And as the cup was given to Jesus : `May this cup pass from me` . . .

Jesus, said, ' Not my will, thy will be done Father ' . . .

Angelmae, keep your cup filled, sister.


And your testimony within your dreams are helping remind me more and more
on the promises of the Messiah's return.

May we allow the Holy Ghost to run over the brim of our cup . . . with the Fire of the Holy
Oil, the divine anointing under the mission to complete His (IHVH) purpose.

God, the Merciful Silversmith -


Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Isaiah 48:10





Isaiah 48:10




Geneva Study Bible


Behold, I have refined thee, but {l} not with silver; I have {m} chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

(l) For I had respect to your weakness and infirmity: for in silver there is some pureness, but in us there is nothing but dross.

(m) I took you out of the furnace where you would have been consumed.

Wesley's Notes

48:10 Behold - Although I will not cut thee off, yet I will put thee into the furnace. Silver - Which is kept in the furnace so long 'till all the dross be purged away, I will not deal so rigorously with thee; for then I should wholly consume thee. I will choose - God had in a manner rejected Israel, and therefore it was necessary he should choose and try this people a second time.

King James Translators' Notes

with...: or, for silver

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

10. (See on [832]Isa 1:25).

with silver-rather, "for silver." I sought by affliction to purify thee, but thou wast not as silver obtained by melting, but as dross [Gesenius].


Thy repentance is not complete: thou art not yet as refined silver.

Rosenmuller explains, "not as silver," not with the intense heat needed to melt silver (it being harder to melt than gold), that is, not with the most extreme severity. The former view is better (Isa 1:25; 42:25; Eze 22:18-20, 22).

chosen-or else [Lowth], tried . proved: according to Gesenius, literally, "to rub with the touchstone," or to cut in pieces so as to examine (Zec 13:9; Mal 3:3; 1Pe 1:7).

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

48:9-15 We have nothing ourselves to plead with God, why he should have mercy upon us. It is for his praise, to the honour of his mercy, to spare.


His bringing men into trouble was to do them good.

It was to refine them, but not as silver; not so thoroughly as men refine silver.

If God should take that course, they are all dross, and, as such, might justly be put away. He takes them as refined in part only. Many have been brought home to God as chosen vessels, and a good work of grace begun in them, in the furnace of affliction.

It is comfort to God's people, that God will secure his own honour, therefore work deliverance for them. And if God delivers his people, he cannot be at a loss for instruments to be employed. God has formed a plan, in which, for his own sake, and the glory of his grace, he saves all that come to Him.

Matthew Henry's Whole Bible Commentary

Verses 9-15

The deliverance of God's people out of their captivity in Babylon was a thing upon many accounts so improbable that there was need of line upon line for the encouragement of the faith and hope of God's people concerning it.

Two things were discouraging to them-their own unworthiness that God should do it for them and the many difficulties in the thing itself; now, in these verses, both these discouragements are removed, for here is,

I. A reason why God would do it for them, though they were unworthy; not for their sake, be it known to them, but for his name's sake, for his own sake, v. 9-11. 1. It is true they had been very provoking, and God had been justly angry with them. Their captivity was the punishment of their iniquity; and if, when he had them in Babylon, he had left them to pine away and perish there, and made the desolations of their country perpetual, he would only have dealt with them according to their sins, and it was what such a sinful people might expect from an angry God.


"But," says God, "I will defer my anger" (or, rather, stifle and suppress it); "I will make it appear that I am slow to wrath, and will refrain from thee, not pour upon thee what I justly might, that I should cut thee off from being a people."

And why will God thus stay his hand? For my name's sake; because this people was called by his name, and made profession of his name, and, if they were cut off, the enemies would blaspheme his name.


It is for my praise; because it would redound to the honour of his mercy to spare and reprieve them, and, if he continued them to be to him a people, they might be to him for a name and a praise.


1. It is true they were very corrupt and ill-disposed, but God would himself refine them, and make them fit for the mercy he intended for them: "I have refined thee, that thou mightest be made a vessel of honour."


Though he does not find them meet for his favour, he will make them so.

And this accounts for his bringing them into the trouble, and continuing them in it so long as he did.




It was not to cut them off, but to do them good. It was to refine them, but not as silver, or with silver, not so thoroughly as men refine their silver, which they continue in the furnace till all the dross is separated from it; if God should take that course with them, they would be always in the furnace, for they are all dross, and, as such, might justly be put away (Ps. 119:119) as reprobate silver, Jer. 6:30.




He therefore takes them as they are, refined in part only, and not thoroughly.

"I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction, that is, I have made thee a choice one by the good which the affliction has done thee, and then designed thee for great things."


Many have been brought home to God as chosen vessels and a good work of grace has been begun in them in the furnace of affliction. Affliction is no bar to God's choice, but subservient to his purpose.


3. It is true they could not pretend to merit at God's hand so great a favour as their deliverance out of Babylon, which would put such an honour upon them and bring them so much joy; therefore, says God, For my own sake, even for my own sake, will I do it, v. 11.

See how the emphasis is laid upon that; for it is a reason that cannot fail, and therefore the resolution grounded upon it cannot fall to the ground. God will do it, not because he owes them such a favour, but to save the honour of his own name, that that may not be polluted by the insolent triumphs of the heathen, who, in triumphing over Israel, thought they triumphed over the God of Israel and imagined their gods too hard for him.





This was plainly the language of Belshazzar's revels, when he profaned the holy vessels of God's temple at the same time that he praised his idols (Dan. 5:2, 4), and of the Babylonians' demand (Ps. 137:3), Sing us one of the songs of Zion. God will therefore deliver his people, because he will not suffer his glory to be thus given to another.




Moses pleaded this often with God: Lord, what will the Egyptians say? Note, God is jealous for the honour of his own name, and will not suffer the wrath of man to proceed any further than he will make it turn to his praise.




And it is matter of comfort to God's people that, whatever becomes of them, God will secure his own honour; and, as far as is necessary to that, God will work deliverance for them.

II. Here is a proof that God could do it for them, though they were unable to help themselves and the thing seemed altogether impracticable.


Let Jacob and Israel hearken to this, and believe it, and take the comfort of it.

They are God's called, called according to his purpose, called by him out of Egypt (Hos. 11:1) and now out of Babylon, a people whom with a distinguishing favour he calls by name, and to whom he calls. They are his called, for they are called to him, called by his name, and called his; and therefore he will look after them, and they may be assured that, as he will deliver them for his own sake, so he will deliver them by his own strength.


They need not fear them, for, 1. He is God alone, and the eternal God (v. 12): "I am he who can do what I will and will do what is best, he whom none can compare with, much less contend with. I am the first; I also am the last." Who can be too quick for him that is the first, or anticipate him? Who can be too hard for him that is the last, and will keep the field against all opposers, and will reign till they are all made his footstool? What room then is left to doubt of their deliverance when he undertakes it whose designs cannot but be well laid, for he is the first, and well executed, for he is the last.

As for this God, his work is perfect. 2. He is the God that made the world, and he that did that can do any thing, v. 13.

Look we down? We see the earth firm under us, and feel it so; it was his hand that laid the foundation of it. Look we up? We see the heavens spread out as a canopy over our heads, and it was his hand that spread them, that spanned them, that stretched them out, and did it by an exact measure, as the workman sometimes metes out his work by spans.


This intimates that God has a vast reach and can compass designs of the greatest extent. If the palm of his right hand (so the margin reads it) has gone so far as to stretch out the heavens, what will he do with his outstretched arm? Yet this is not all: he has not only made the heavens and the earth, and therefore he in whom our hope and help is omnipotent (Ps. 124:8), but he has the command of all the hosts of both; when he calls them into his service, to go on his errands, they stand up together, they come at the call, they answer to their names: "Here we are; what wilt thou have us to do?" They stand up, not only in reverence to their Creator, but in a readiness to execute his orders: They stand up together, unanimously concurring, and helping one another in the service of their Maker.

If God therefore will deliver his people, he cannot be at a loss for instruments to be employed in effecting their deliverance. 3. He has already foretold it, and, having infinite knowledge, so that he foresaw it, no doubt he has almighty power to effect it:

"All you of the house of Jacob, assemble yourselves, and hear this for your comfort, Which among them, among the gods of the heathen, or their wise men, has declared these things, or could declare them?" v. 14. They had no foresight of them at all, but those who consulted them were very confident that Babylon should be a lady for ever and Israel perpetual slave; and their oracles did not give them the least hint to the contrary, to undeceive them; whereas God by his prophets had given notice to the Jews, long before, of their captivity and the destruction of Jerusalem, as he had now likewise given them notice of their release (v. 15): I, even I, have spoken; and he would not have spoken it if he could not have made it good: none could out-see him, and therefore we may be sure that none could outdo him.




4. The person is pitched upon who is to be employed in this service, and the measures are concerted in the divine counsels, which are unalterable. Cyrus is the man who must do it; and it tends much to strengthen our assurance that a thing shall be done when we are particularly informed how and by whom. It is not left at uncertainty who shall do it, but the matter is fixed.




(1.) It is one whom God is well pleased in, upon this account, because he is designed for this service: The Lord has loved him (v. 14); he has done him this favour, this honour, to make him an instrument in the redemption of his people and therein a type of the great Redeemer, God's beloved Son, in whom he was well pleased. Those God does a great kindness to, and has a great kindness for, whom he makes serviceable to his church.

(2.) It is one to whom God will give authority and commission: I have called him, have given him a sufficient warrant, and therefore will bear him out.

(3.) It is one whom God will by a series of providences lead to this service: "I have brought him from a far country, brought him to engage against Babylon, brought him step by step, quite beyond his own intentions." Whom God calls he will bring, will cause them to come (so the word is), to come at the call.


(4.) It is one whom God will own and give success to. Cyrus will do God's pleasure on Babylon, that which it is his pleasure should be done and which he will be pleased with the doing of, though Cyrus has ends of his own to serve and has no regard either to the will of God or to his favour in the doing of it. His arm (Cyrus's army, and in it God's arm) shall come, and be upon the Chaldeans, to bring them down (v. 14); for, if God call him and bring him, he will certainly make his way prosperous, v. 15.


Then we may hope to prosper in our way when we follow a divine call and guidance.

http://biblecommenter.com/isaiah/48-10.htm

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28






Serving Tray, to 'serve'

Zeetz, what a profound simple truth about our Lord and how he refines us! Thank you.

WOW! This is so rich! Crownseven, thank you Sister for your expounding on Benjamin's Cup! I never heard about it before!

And angelmae, thanks for sharing your dreams! This is coming together in a very interesting way....

There is so much to digest, and along with the wonderful scriptures and study vacant has added to this thread, I have MUCH prayerful reading and studying to do. What a blessing!

Yes, we need to keep our cups filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit - Jesus is coming for us soon!

Love U All Very Much
zeetz

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I PRAISE GOD and THANK THE HOLY SPIRIT for presenting and revealing these deeper things to me, to ALL of us... open my ears to hear and eyes to see ... help me put it all together what You have for me!

Vacant: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED HERE!!! There are wonderful things I am just beginning to see, and though I don't understand it all at once, I am bit by bit....

...God, our Mericful Silversmith! Oh Praise His Holy Name! He is SOOOO GOOD to US!

Wow Shirley! I am now ready to stick my head in the oven, oh no, wait! The oven always comes to me... oh darn, it was here already yesterday...
Goodness, where did my hair go? And whats with the black face?

It also reminded me of how a needle is easily sterilized: holding it in the center of a flame, the blue part, will burn all germs that may be on it.
I do it all the time, when I need to punch a blister or abces. Instant disinfection over the flame of a lighter.

Sometimes you amaze me, Justice :

Thank you, sister, Justice . . . and blessing to you Shirley :

(Justice, quote)
It also reminded me of how a needle is easily sterilized: holding it in the center of a flame, the blue part, will burn all germs that may be on it.



This is what your quote Justice, inspired me to find . . .


http://www.creationtips.com/eye_of_needle.html
The illustration of the camel going through the eye of a needle was perfect for those He was speaking to. The eye of a needle means the eye of a needle. Jesus' explanation that what is impossible for men is possible with God shows that rich men can be saved and enter Heaven. But only if they put their faith in Christ rather than in their riches.



NEEDLE ------ `silver needle` ( precise threading, weaving, of the Holy Word into our fabric [hearts] )


STERILIZED ---------`silver sterilizes containers` ( vessels ) --- mankind is a vessel seeking sterilization


CENTER ----------- `silver burns hot at center` ( our center is `Christ` )


FLAME ---------- `the silver glow of the flame` ( Holy Ghost, like a fire/flame )


BLUE ------------- `silver blue`, symbolic of point & beginning of wisdom + mercy, love, generosity, grace




http://www.purestcolloids.com/history-silver.htm

A Brief History of The Health Support Uses of Silver

For thousands of years silver has been used as a healing and anti-bacterial agent by civilizations throughout the world. Its medical, preservative and restorative powers can be traced as far back as the ancient Greek and Roman Empires. Long before the development of modern pharmaceuticals, silver was employed as a germicide and antibiotic.

Consider these interesting facts:

The Greeks used silver vessels to keep water and other liquids fresh. The writings of Herodotus, the Greek philosopher and historian, date the use of silver to before the birth of Christ.

The Roman Empire stored wine in silver urns to prevent spoilage.

The use of silver is mentioned in ancient Egyptian writings.

In the Middle Ages, silverware protected the wealthy from the full brunt of the plague.

Before the advent of modern germicides and antibiotics, it was known that disease-causing pathogens could not survive in the presence of silver. Consequently, silver was used in dishware, drinking vessels and eating utensils.

In particular, the wealthy stored and ate their food from silver vessels to keep bacteria from growing.

The Chinese emperors and their courts ate with silver chopsticks.

The Druids have left evidence of their use of silver.

Settlers in the Australian outback suspend silverware in their water tanks to retard spoilage.

Pioneers trekking across the American West found that if they placed silver or copper coins in their casks of drinking water, it kept the water safe from bacteria, algae, etc.

All along the frontier, silver dollars were put in milk to keep it fresh. Some of us remember our grandparents doing the same.

Silver leaf was used to combat infection in wounds sustained by troops during World War I.
Prior to the introduction of antibiotics, Colloidal Silver was used widely in hospitals and has been known as a bactericide for at least 1200 years.

In the early 1800s, doctors used silver sutures in surgical wounds with very successful results.
In Ayurvedic medicine, silver is used in small amounts as a tonic, elixir or rejuvenative agent for patients debilitated by age or disease.

MY VESSELS OF HONOR

I AM CALLING FORTH MY VESSELS OF HONOR. THOSE WHO ARE BRUISED, BATTERED, WEAK, SCORNED, REJECTED, DEEMED OF NO VALUE, AND THROWN ON MAN'S RUBBISH HEAP. THOUGH YOU HAVE LAIN AMONG THE POTS, YET SHALL YE BE.....MY VESSELS OF HONOR FILLED WITH HOLY GLORY!!! YES, VESSELS OF HONOR MIGHTY THROUGH ME!!!
YOU SHALL RISE FROM THE ASHES, THE MOST UNLIKELY OF ALL....SEEN AS NO THREAT TO THE WORLD AS A WHOLE. BUT OH WHAT A JOY -- WHAT GLORY TO ME -- WHEN MY HOLY VESSELS OF HONOR I SET FREE!! I WILL BREAK OFF YOUR EARTHLY FACADE OF BROKEN, CRACKED CLAY TO REVEAL THE PURE GOLDEN VESSEL REFINED BY MY HAND. YOU WILL HARBOR MY HEART, MY MIND, AND MY WILL. YOU WILL AMBUSH THE ENEMY FOR NONE WILL EXPECT SUCH A VICTORIOUS HOST COMING FROM MAN'S RUBBISH HEAP!

THOUGH YE HAVE LAIN AMONG THE POTS, YET SHALL YE BE AS THE WINGS OF A DOVE COVERED WITH SILVER, AND HER FEATHERS WITH YELLOW GOLD. PSALM 68:13



Have I not spoken to you, My children, that all you must do is believe? Is it not written, "Only believe"? Only believe in the Lord, your God. Only believe in My goodness and trust me fully. Come before the Throne of Grace with boldness, for you shall indeed receive the glory of the latter rain in these days, for the end is coming and is even upon you. Therefore, come with boldness; come with joy; come with the assurance that whatever you ask I will give to you. I have longed to bless you in such a way that you cannot contain the blessing and that it would simply have an overtaking effect in your life of great abundance and more than you could ask for. I am the Lord, and the wealth of this world is Mine to distribute. The silver and gold are Mine. I own the cattle on a thousand hills. And, I will distribute to My faithful servants and give gifts to the Bride betrothed to Me, says the Lord. I say, rise up and shake off the dust of defeat and failure. Come walk in the glory with Me. You are in the very twilight of this age that will move you into the kingdom. Come and watch the demonstration, for I am about to put on a show that the world itself will see and wonder about. That show, My beloved Bride, shall come through you. Come. Come unto Me and receive.

Wow. Just yesterday (Saturday), I stopped at a Goodwill store to buy some work-shirts (I don't stop there all that often, maybe once or twice a month). Very, very infrequently when I stop at a Goodwill, I feel the urge to hunt through the silverware or wood-item areas, looking for "treasure" in the "rubbish". Maybe a month ago, I had the same urge, and found two silver cups (apparently, they were for a couple's silver anniversary [I assume], as they both had "October 31, 1977" engraved on them, and one had a man's name engraved on it, and the other a woman's). Yesterday, I had the very clear thought that I should look again, that I would find something silver. And I did - I found another silver cup, this one with two handles (the other two have none). It was a very strong feeling when I stopped in the Goodwill, which is why it was so noticeable to me (as opposed to my just happening to find another silver item). Perhaps my experience was related to the original post in some way, sort of as a "visual reminder" of the truth of the original post in some fashion.

(By the way, I hadn't read this thread, or even seen it, until this [Sunday] morning.)

We are not speaking here of Mammons silver, but God's silver.

Good Morning Godsword!

This is zeetz that started the thread on the refining of silver. I appreciated your post very much, especially this part:

"It was a very strong feeling when I stopped in the Goodwill, which is why it was so noticeable to me (as opposed to my just happening to find another silver item). Perhaps my experience was related to the original post in some way, sort of as a "visual reminder" of the truth of the original post in some fashion.

(By the way, I hadn't read this thread, or even seen it, until this [Sunday] morning.)"

Personally I believe that YES it was a "visual reminder" & personal confirmation of the thread I started about how the Lord refines us like a silversmith refines silver, and it is ready when He sees His reflection in it. And the fact that it was a CUP you found (see subsequent posts in the thread from crownsevenalphabet who refers to Benjamin's Cup), is VERY interesting and meaningful...

THEN for you to come here and read this thread AFTER you found the silver cup really rang true in my heart!

So BE BLESSED because I think that was a wonderful thing the Lord showed you in a very personal way. I am also blessed you shared it with us - Thank you.

What started out for you as something usual and ordinary, He turned into something UNUSUAL and EXTRAORDINARY!

And may I say, significant for us all.

Love to U in Jesus
zeetz

Zeetz, thank you for always posting something encouraging to edify the believers on the forum, in this case, your words of pure silver shine beautifully.

Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do. So then, encourage one another and build each other up, as you are doing.
1 Thessalonians 5:11

May any tears you have be turned to joy knowing that we love you and the Lord Jesus speaks through you to us.

They that sow in tears shall reap in joy. Psalm 126:5

This is the reason (though we know you do not seek it) that you are popular with us all ... (as we should all strive affectionately to be with one another).

Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another. Romans 12:10

Only the adversary will be jealous of such. He will block the 'inbox' of his ears from hearing any words of love and encouragement that believers have for each other. But that is fine since we really have no desire to hear from him at all.

Even though this can happen ....

Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me. Psalm 41:9

The love of Jesus, our Friend is always in operation 24/7 for us and we can trust in Him ....

A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly: and there is a Friend that sticketh closer than a brother. Proverbs 18:24

This also can be the message of your post ... never to let one's 'silver' tarnish through jealousy, mistrust or envy. We should rejoice when we see believers loving one another in mutual edification. In Heaven, the enemy was thrown out of such a holy mutual 'admiration' society - forever.





When the Lord tests us by allowing a 'heel' to be lifted up against us, we only need to pray for that person and let the Lord ultimately put that unrefined silver vessel back into the 'fire' - and He will.

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. I Corinthians 3:15

For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another. Mark 9:49,50


Everything you have said is appropriately beautiful, for which we do thank you - and it has especially helped me at this particular time. By God's will much blessing has come from it, for others and for myself, and I am glad. The evidence of such is that the responses are so diverse and insightful - it goes to show you how many ways the Lord can speak to us all.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1 Corinthians 2:9



How wonderful, O Lord, are the works of your hands! The heavens declare your glory, the arch of sky displays your handiwork. The heavens declare the glory of God.
Psalm 8


It is the mark of a born-again believer to try to return blessings to brothers and sisters who have taken their precious time to pray for one another - to bless back under the prompting of the Holy Spirit. Venturing out to share on the board is what God wants and that is what your post is about. Asking for prayer is a wonderful thing to do, it is scriptural and it is what the enemy fears.




So far you haven't asked for anything in my name. Keep asking and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. John 16:24

Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
James 5:16

....For your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Matthew 6:8



We all want to prayerfully encourage you and to ask you to pray for us too - because the Lord hears you. In these closing hours of time the Lord is lovingly watching over us all this way.



The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms....
Deuteronomy 33:27








Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: Philippians 1:6

Your flesh will be held accountable.

41 But the Lord answered and said to her, "Martha, Martha, you are worried and bothered about so many things;

42 but only one thing is necessary, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her."

Luke 10:41,42






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And ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free. John 8:32

? Justice, what did you mean?

I posted this topic on refining of silver, days ago...I wanted to share. I had no idea how the topic would develop, or even if anyone would care. But, if by God's will any blessing would come from it, for others and for myself, I would be glad.

I have made several friends on the forum, not many, but I am grateful to God for the fellowship. It is not in my nature to be combative, or harsh and I only want PEACE, for myself and everyone else - I only want good things....

I am trying to GIVE BACK something.... to ALL the friends I have made on this forum, who have helped me with dream interpretation, and all who have taken their precious time to pray with me and for me in private and public....I am not a sponge that I only soak in...I have been trying to BLESS BACK - generally and individually, as God leads...

Now, something has happened to derail this thread, which I pray will stop. The intent here is ONLY to edify, build up, bless, grow in grace, and reflect as God leads the way.

So, let me be the first to say this:

If I have in ANY WAY offended ANYONE with ANYTHING I have posted here on this thread, or anywhere else on this forum, I ask for forgiveness of any offense, because if I have offended anyone, it has been COMPLETELY without my knowing it, and COMPLETELY unintentional.

Please be patient with me, God is still working on me! Forgive any ignorance on my part! I am nothing, but I love you!
Most of all, I love Jesus, my Lord, my Saviour, my best friend who never leaves me nor forsakes me. I'm trying to listen, and learn, and regain the Joy of the Lord that the enemy has tried so hard to rob me of.

Have you ever been falsely accused? I have. But I have also been rightly accused!
And there was a woman I read about in the Bible who was also rightly accused, however:

John 8:1-11

Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not].

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

WHAT A FRIEND WE HAVE IN JESUS! Our REDEEMER! Who forgives all our sins and remembers them no more....
PRAISE GOD FOREVER!!!

Zeetz,

This is a very edifying thread and you have not offended anyone, well, at least not to my knowledge. I am so happy you are here and please keep sharing, you are a wonderful addition to this forum and WE LOVE YOU! Stay and keep adding your comments... I want to hear what you have to say!!

In His Love always,
Rose

Hello Justice :

I just returned home from my job.

So I reviewed the above one liner statement and then this one of yours :

We are not speaking here of Mammons silver, but God's silver.



Maybe you have a beef with someone and/or maybe not. However, the beauty of this topic
post is being flashed with strife and grief, of which you are the Queen who carries this
title.

It hurts me to see you damage a lovely post topic via Zeetz, due to some hidden
agenda that should be taken up behind the scenes, you select to get every one stirred-up.

Can I ask you to please prohibit this behavior. It is not flattering . . .

Zeetz has done nothing but respond to people who exchanged ideas, which is what this
forum is about.

Do you have to use the ax, sickle and grim-reaper rod on everything you are displeased with ?

Now, I stand ready to hear what are you doing ?
And if it is displeasure toward another forum member, off post me. Do not force me to
embarrass both you and I any more than I am doing in this attempt to beg you to
stop the bizarre target-slam-dunk behavior.


I love you, however, it is getting harder & harder to stand in your corner, when this is
without common sense.

QUOTE

Your flesh will be held accountable.

I don't know for sure, but I think she's saying that greasy fingers sully clean silver. But that's okay, I've got a heavy-duty spot-remover.

(By the way, zeetz, thank you for the lovely reply.)

That must be it! I have my own spot removers... LOL

Thanks Godsword.. I agree with you about Zeetz's reply. She is awesome!

Zeetz, thank you so much for your thread. ive only just read it but it was beautiful, thank you. keep up the good work
much love and blessings,

pinky

You haven't offended anyone and we love and appreciate you.
Keep up the wonderful posts.
Maranatha in His Agape Love
v

Vacant, and Pinky... love you both... you are peacemakers here! xoxox

Amen , Irish


Always remembering you in prayer too.

Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. Malachi 3:16


[A song by David for going up to worship.] See how good and pleasant it is when brothers and sisters live together in harmony! Psalm 133:1

v

Vacant,

You always say the nicest things. I am praying for you too! And thanks for the rose... I love them!

It sure is pleasant when brothers and sisters live in harmony. You are a blessing and so wonderful to have here!

Have a wonderful week ahead! xoxo Rose

Okay, after doing a little Internet searching, I found a description and picture of the silver cup I recently bought at Goodwill. It's actually a (and I quote from a website):

QUOTE

Silverplate Sugar Bowl With Lid in the 3116 (silverplate, hollow-ware) pattern by Poole Silver Co.

So, it's not technically a "cup". It's a bowl. That looks suspiciously like a cup. (Though the one I found had no lid.) The bottom of the bowl/cup had "Poole Silver" and "Taunton, MASS" and the number "3116" engraved on it, so it was fairly easy to find on the Internet.

Here's a link to the website which has a picture of the bowl I bought at Goodwill:

http://www.replacements.com/webquote/POS3116.htm .

At the bottom of the webpage is a list of three items in blue lettering. The very last item is "Silverplate Sugar Bowl with Lid", and clicking on that name, or the associated camera icon, will bring up a picture of the item.

Oh, and in researching all this, I found that "silverplating" is actually "To coat (an object) with a thin layer of silver, especially by electroplating." So, what I found at Goodwill (likely the two cups as well as the bowl) wouldn't literally apply to this thread, as they are not pure silver. I think the connections and thoughts they raised, though, were what counted. (It would have been nice to find something that was pure silver, though - but it was only Goodwill, after all.)

Good research, Godsword... I like it.. it kind of looks like a Genie's lamp! LOL... but silver is silver, whether it is electroplated or not, it's still silver. I like that you found something nice at Goodwill. I buy many things from there, they have great deals! Thanks for sharing!

Rose,


I think you were looking at the teapot. What I have is the "Sugar Bowl with Lid" (minus the lid). Teapot, sugar bowl...they both look fairly similar, though.

Ooopsy, you're right... I am glad it's not the genie lamp!

Sorry for the oversight! I didn't realize there were other pics on the page.

It's still a pretty sugar bowl... you must be sweet!

zeetz has started a very beautiful thread and it shouldn't be marred by careless comments. Thanks for all the positive comments. zeetz. Please keep posting.

Thank you, so very much !


I located these things for your study of the silver BOWL:


http://www.biblewheel.com/Art/ArtApps.asp
In Hebrew, the "bowl" is called a "gullah" which is a pun on the word for a "revealer" or "revelation." It is cognate with galgal - the Hebrew word for a "wheel."







http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=960

c. Acceptance of Offerings: Moses daily accepted the carts and oxen for twelve days and gave two carts and four oxen to the sons of Gershon, four carts and eight oxen to the sons of Merari, none to the sons of Kohath since they carried the holy objects on their shoulder 7:4-11

e. Summary of the Dedication Offering: Moses recorded the summery of the dedication offering as follows:

1) Twelve silver dishes

2) Twelve silver bowls,

3) Twelve gold pans

4) shekels of silver for the utensils

5) Twelve golden pans full of incense

6) Twelve bulls

7) Twelve rams

8) Twelve male goats one year old for the sin offering

9) Twelve bulls

10) Twelve bulls for a burnt offering

11) Twelve rams for a burnt offering

12) Twelve male goats for a sin offering

13) 60 Bulls for a burnt offering

a) rams for a burnt offering
and

() male goats

Moses spoke to the Lord in the tent of meeting 7:89

Crown, wonderful research again... this thread just keeps getting better! Thank you!!!

http://www.biblewheel.com/Art/ArtApps.asp
In Hebrew, the "bowl" is called a "gullah" which is a pun on the word for a "revealer" or "revelation." It is cognate with galgal - the Hebrew word for a "wheel."


Proverbs 31:16
King James Bible
She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.



QUOTE
Silverplate Sugar Bowl With Lid in the 3116 (silverplate, hollow-ware) pattern by Poole Silver Co.

(It would have been nice to find something that was pure silver, though - but it was only Goodwill, after all.)


Dearest Godsword :

I started to type your alias as : GODSWILL . . . for the Goodwill.


And then I saw the connection of the silver BOWL, and your mission with the Lord.
The bowl is the holder for your precious prayers and duties unto our Father. As you continue
on your mission, the silver-plated bowl does not need the lid.

Why ?

Because the open-ness of the bowl is a `receiver` of the truths of the Holy Spirit, the collection
into this silver-plated object.

Read above how the bowl is a : word for a "revealer" or "revelation."

The revelations collected in the `no lid silver bowl`, continue to be stored in the silver-plated holder.

Until, when ?

Until the revelation of the contents of spiritual matters are brimming over the top, due to the
lid missing, you will know and see when this happens, in your journey with God (IHVH).

You see, we all are silver-plated bowls until the anointing of the Holy Spirit takes our
`not` divine earth selves and reveals/revealer/revelation . . . the gathering of our oil in our
lamps. So this silver-plated vessel/lamp/bowl is your gathering of the preparation for the
full journey unto the bridegroom. Not as the unprepared virgins, who at the last hour needed
to find more oil.

Upon the end of the journey, your silver-plated bowl, will be transformed into PURE SILVER,
with the lid being held by archangel Gabriel.

Blessings . . .

Wow, this blows me away Crown!!! I wish I had more time to do all the research here, you have saved us the trouble.. and it makes so much sense... thank you for all this information.. it is really spiritual and has such a message.. All from a single Goodwill sugar bowl!

~the `j` Code~ : Joshua,jordan,jericho,john, ~JESUS~ = September 21st, 2011
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry213025


(24) . . . Then Joshua, together with all Israel, took Achan son of Zerah, the silver ( 200 shekels ), the robe ( from Babylonia ), the gold wedge ( 50 shekels ), his sons and daughters, his cattle, donkeys and sheep, his tent and all that he had, to the Valley of Achor.

Very interesting and intriguing posts Crown. Thanks so much.

And now ... on a lighter 'note' (even though it is summer) ... 20 weeks from now ...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=stEjTFMb940

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q9mo4yGvaIA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h0TpdK61vzc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=djfgoGAEU4E
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gDYA-UsS-vU

Lev.26
[1] Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
[30] And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

2Kgs.23
[24] Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the LORD.

2Chr.33
[7] And he set a carved image, the idol which he had made, in the house of God, of which God had said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen before all the tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever:

2Chr.34
[7] And when he had broken down the altars and the groves, and had beaten the graven images into powder, and cut down all the idols throughout all the land of Israel, he returned to Jerusalem.

Pss.97
[7] Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols: worship him, all ye gods.

Isa.10
[10] As my hand hath found the kingdoms of the idols, and whose graven images did excel them of Jerusalem and of Samaria;

Isa.48
[5] I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.

Jer.50
[2] Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces.
[38] A drought is upon her waters; and they shall be dried up: for it is the land of graven images, and they are mad upon their idols.

Ezek.6
[4] And your altars shall be desolate, and your images shall be broken: and I will cast down your slain men before your idols.
[6] In all your dwellingplaces the cities shall be laid waste, and the high places shall be desolate; that your altars may be laid waste and made desolate, and your idols may be broken and cease, and your images may be cut down, and your works may be abolished.

Ezek.30
[13] Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also destroy the idols, and I will cause their images to cease out of Noph; and there shall be no more a prince of the land of Egypt: and I will put a fear in the land of Egypt.

Hos.13
[2] And now they sin more and more, and have made them molten images of their silver, and idols according to their own understanding, all of it the work of the craftsmen: they say of them, Let the men that sacrifice kiss the calves.

Here we go again, Praying for you Justice. Geesh

Again, incorrect use of the word "pray", which is not a tool of punishment.

Crown, that study on Godswill's silver bowl is priceless... thank you so much for taking the time to find that buried gem and make the connections...amazing, and what a blessing!!!

And thanks also to vacant for the "Christmas in July" music!
The lighter side is always welcome - good for balance! Is Christmas really only 20 weeks away? Wow...

Those music videos were great!
Jim Reeves voice is as smooth as velvet,
Johnny Mathis voice is distinctly his own,
Elvis has "left the building" but is excellent as always,
John Denver: so unique,
And my personal favorite: Dino ! He is actually tied with Jim Reeves, but Dean's singing makes me smile

The videos made me feel like a kid again for a few moments. I hope it will be a VERY special Christmas this year for us all...

Thanks everyone!

Zeetz, I totally agree, what a blessing this topic is... and Crown's addition..

As well as that lovely Christmas music... I love all those singers... Johnny Mathis is my fave as it was my dad's and now that he's gone, it makes me cry every time I hear Johnny's voice.

I thank you Vacant, and Zeetz, and Crown. Blessings always.

Oh, and soooo sorry Justice for not using the word "Pray" correctly. I suppose you're a school teacher and a Pastor now as well as God? OY!

QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 22 2008, 02:09 AM)

Lev.26[1] Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.[30] And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.2Kgs.23[24] Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the LORD.2Chr.33[7] And he set a carved image, the idol which he had made, in the house of God, of which God had said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen before all the tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever:2Chr.34[7] And when he had broken down the altars and the groves, and had beaten the graven images into powder, and cut down all the idols throughout all the land of Israel, he returned to Jerusalem.Pss.97[7] Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols: worship him, all ye gods.Isa.10[10] As my hand hath found the kingdoms of the idols, and whose graven images did excel them of Jerusalem and of Samaria;Isa.48[5] I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.Jer.50[2] Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish,and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces.[38] A drought is upon her waters; and they shall be dried up: for it is the land of graven images, and they are mad upon their idols.Ezek.6[4] And your altars shall be desolate, and your images shall be broken: and I will cast down your slain men before your idols.[6] In all your dwellingplaces the cities shall be laid waste, and the high places shall be desolate; that your altars may be laid waste and made desolate, and your idols may be broken and cease, and your images may be cut down, and your works may be abolished.Ezek.30[13] Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also destroy the idols, and I will cause their images to cease out of Noph; and there shall be no more a prince of the land of Egypt: and I will put a fear in the land of Egypt.Hos.13[2] And now they sin more and more, and have made them molten images of their silver, and idols according to their own understanding, all of it the work of the craftsmen: they say of them, Let the men that sacrifice kiss the calves.

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Isaiah 66:23


Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day. Psalm 81:3


And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.
Isaiah 27:13












In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. I Corinthians 15:52








In the Holy Temple, silver trumpets are used during the Divine service, as well as for announcing the arrival of the Shabbat, the New Moon, the three Festivals, and for other various occasions.












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