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meli
The trees in the garden of Eden have been on my mind for sometime. Last night I was thinking about them again and I had a thought.

Genesis 2:16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


and later


Genesis 3:17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.




Adam and Eve were free to eat from the tree of life to begin with. What prevented them from doing so? Lack of knowledge? What would have happened if Adam and Eve had first eaten of the Tree of Life and then eaten of the Tree of Knowledge?

Not sure exactly what my questions are, maybe they are observations still.

whirlwind
QUOTE (Melangel @ Jul 15 2008, 04:04 AM) *
The trees in the garden of Eden have been on my mind for sometime. Last night I was thinking about them again and I had a thought.

Genesis 2:16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:


Adam and Eve were free to eat from the tree of life to begin with. What prevented them from doing so? Lack of knowledge? What would have happened if Adam and Eve had first eaten of the Tree of Life and then eaten of the Tree of Knowledge?



The Tree of Life is Christ. His fruit (truth) produces eternal life. The fruit (sin)of Satan ...the tree of knowledge of good and evil, will cause spiritual death. To answer your question, perhaps they did eat of the Tree of Life but....they fell away and listened to Satan. They "ate" his food as humanity does today.


I believe what is meant by verse 22 (above) is that God didn't want anyone to have eternal life when they had a sinful nature. That nature has to be dispelled before eternal life is ours. They made it very evident that they could not, or would not, live on earth without sinning and Christ had not yet died for our sins.
meli
Thanks whirlwind

I just noticed the other thread on this same subject blush.gif
BFSmith
QUOTE (Melangel @ Jul 15 2008, 05:04 AM) *
The trees in the garden of Eden have been on my mind for sometime. Last night I was thinking about them again and I had a thought.

Genesis 2:16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


and later


Genesis 3:17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.




Adam and Eve were free to eat from the tree of life to begin with. What prevented them from doing so? Lack of knowledge? What would have happened if Adam and Eve had first eaten of the Tree of Life and then eaten of the Tree of Knowledge?

Not sure exactly what my questions are, maybe they are observations still.



Satan got to them first; he didn't give them a chance to eat of that tree. Had Adam and Eve ate of the tree of life they would have received eternal life, and they would have no desire to eat of the other tree.
BFSmith
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Jul 15 2008, 07:21 AM) *
QUOTE (Melangel @ Jul 15 2008, 04:04 AM) *
The trees in the garden of Eden have been on my mind for sometime. Last night I was thinking about them again and I had a thought.

Genesis 2:16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:


Adam and Eve were free to eat from the tree of life to begin with. What prevented them from doing so? Lack of knowledge? What would have happened if Adam and Eve had first eaten of the Tree of Life and then eaten of the Tree of Knowledge?



The Tree of Life is Christ. His fruit (truth) produces eternal life. The fruit (sin)of Satan ...the tree of knowledge of good and evil, will cause spiritual death. To answer your question, perhaps they did eat of the Tree of Life but....they fell away and listened to Satan. They "ate" his food as humanity does today.


I believe what is meant by verse 22 (above) is that God didn't want anyone to have eternal life when they had a sinful nature. That nature has to be dispelled before eternal life is ours. They made it very evident that they could not, or would not, live on earth without sinning and Christ had not yet died for our sins.


No they never did ate of the tree of life before or after they sinned because God prevented them from going there and eating of that tree after they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil by putting an angel to guard the tree and a sword which every which way.

Genesis 3:22-24 (ESV)
22 Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—"
23 therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken.
24 He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.


Had they been aloud to eat of the tree of life after they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil they would have received eternal life but still have corrupt nature as well. If this was aloud to happen the consequences of that would be unimaginable. They would have two natures dwelling with in them, forever warring with each other, causing endless mental pain and suffering and confusing.
Gnosis
QUOTE (Melangel @ Jul 15 2008, 04:04 AM) *
Adam and Eve were free to eat from the tree of life to begin with. What prevented them from doing so? Lack of knowledge? What would have happened if Adam and Eve had first eaten of the Tree of Life and then eaten of the Tree of Knowledge?

Not sure exactly what my questions are, maybe they are observations still.


If you want to understand Eden, understand Jesus statement:

Luke 17:21 "...the kingdom of God is within you."

The garden of Eden is allegorical. Notice that the Tree of Life has always existed with the first man (Adam) even before Jesus and it is still there.

What Jesus did was give us the knowledge, the truth, to know that we always had the power to save ourselves. happy.gif See:

Genesis 2:15 Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to farm the land and to take care of it. (control it)
Genesis 2:16 The LORD God commanded the man. He said, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden.

Nothing has changed we are free to eat of the fruit and have total control over Eden.
whirlwind
QUOTE (Gnosis @ Sep 19 2008, 09:52 PM) *
[If you want to understand Eden, understand Jesus statement:

Luke 17:21 "...the kingdom of God is within you."



I very much agree with that. smile.gif

QUOTE
The garden of Eden is allegorical. Notice that the Tree of Life has always existed with the first man (Adam) even before Jesus and it is still there.


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.


Jesus is the Tree of Life.


QUOTE
What Jesus did was give us the knowledge, the truth, to know that we always had the power to save ourselves. happy.gif See:

Genesis 2:15 Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to farm the land and to take care of it. (control it)
Genesis 2:16 The LORD God commanded the man. He said, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden.

Nothing has changed we are free to eat of the fruit and have total control over Eden.


I must disagree. We are not free to "eat from any tree." As Christ is the Tree of Life...Satan is the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Gnosis
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Sep 20 2008, 09:42 AM) *
QUOTE (Gnosis @ Sep 19 2008, 09:52 PM) *
[If you want to understand Eden, understand Jesus statement:

Luke 17:21 "...the kingdom of God is within you."



I very much agree with that. smile.gif


Understand that the Kingdom of God, what we call Heaven is Eden or Paradise.

QUOTE (whirlwind @ Sep 20 2008, 09:42 AM) *
Jesus is the Tree of Life.


Christ is the cherubim that guards the way to Eden:

QUOTE
Genesis 3:24 He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.


This is why Jesus says:

QUOTE
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


QUOTE
Revelation 2:7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.


So knowing this why would you say Jesus is the Tree of Life? You are confusing the treasure with its keeper. happy.gif

QUOTE (whirlwind @ Sep 20 2008, 09:42 AM) *
I must disagree. We are not free to "eat from any tree." As Christ is the Tree of Life...Satan is the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


As I said before unless you understand Luke 17:21 all of this will not make sense. Jesus says that the Kingdom of God is within us. What is the Kingdom of God? It is the same thing as Heaven or what Jesus says is the paradise of God in Revelation 2:7. These things are the same things of Eden.

So to understand the Kingdom of God (Heaven) you must understand Eden. All answers are in Genesis happy.gif

The only way to learn something is to consider something. Ask and you shall receive. Unless an opportunity is presented how can it come to fruition?

One thing I want you to consider is why the Serpent was allowed in Eden in the first place.
researcher
Gen 2:8 And Jehovah God planted a garden in Eden to the east; and He put the man whom He had formed there.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground Jehovah God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food.

The trees in the garden were people. It's a parable ie symbolic. The trees were all of the races of mankind. Adam was the first type of Christ (Rom 5:14) and it was his job to tend to them and protect them(Gen 2:15). They were pleasant to look at because God made them in his image, and, good for food means Adam could talk to them and learn from them. Like this statement: Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.

Here are a few of the scriptures where trees are used to symbolize people.
Mat 3:10, Jer 11:16, Joh 15:1, Eze 17:2-13, Jdg 9:8, Dan 4:20-22, Rev 11:3 & 4, Gen 49:22, Eze 31:8 & 9

Jesus called himself a vine, Nebuchadnezzer was called a tree, the two witnesses are called two olive trees, Joseph was a fruitful "bough" etc., etc.

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or make the tree corrupt, and its fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by its fruit.

The Bible is only the story of Jesus and the line he came from, not a history book of the world or all of the other races. smile.gif
Gnosis
QUOTE (researcher @ Sep 20 2008, 09:42 PM) *
Gen 2:8 And Jehovah God planted a garden in Eden to the east; and He put the man whom He had formed there.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground Jehovah God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food.

The trees in the garden were people. It's a parable ie symbolic. The trees were all of the races of mankind. Adam was the first type of Christ (Rom 5:14) and it was his job to tend to them and protect them(Gen 2:15). They were pleasant to look at because God made them in his image, and, good for food means Adam could talk to them and learn from them. Like this statement: Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.

Here are a few of the scriptures where trees are used to symbolize people.
Mat 3:10, Jer 11:16, Joh 15:1, Eze 17:2-13, Jdg 9:8, Dan 4:20-22, Rev 11:3 & 4, Gen 49:22, Eze 31:8 & 9

Jesus called himself a vine, Nebuchadnezzer was called a tree, the two witnesses are called two olive trees, Joseph was a fruitful "bough" etc., etc.

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or make the tree corrupt, and its fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by its fruit.

The Bible is only the story of Jesus and the line he came from, not a history book of the world or all of the other races. smile.gif


Well this is certainly original happy.gif
Jerrarose
No, not original, very true. It hasn't been completely revealed but we will get there.

researcher believes as I do, this has been revealed to me only in the past few years.

The trees were different kingdoms with thier rulers.

Remeber the fruit of the tree was seen to them as something to make them wise... i ask, think, how could an apple, orange, or any other 'fruit' do that? No, it had to be systems of knowledge, ways of living.

Look:
Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness? Behold, the Assyrian [was] a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs. The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field. Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth. All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations. Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters. The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that [were] in the garden of God, envied him.

Look at these trees in the garden, THEY ENVIED!!! Do fruit trees ENVY????

NO!!

See, trees aren't fruit trees with apples, oranges, etc... they're NATIONS and PEOPLE!!!

Adam and Eve took knowledge of a type of kingdom that was forbidden for them, they were not supposed to learn of it, eat of it.

I believe this to be a kingdom of written laws, Satan's kingdom which is now here in Earth.

The tree was called the 'Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil' was it not?

Answer me...

WHAT on this earth is there that gives a man the knowledge of good and evil, to know the difference, by someones estimation, between good and evil???

There is only one thing for a man NOT in Christ that tells him the difference between good and evil and that is the LAW written in books in EVERY Nation under heaven.

Satan's kingdom seems to have been a kingdom of a certain kind of law, a law which God hates; is this why God said, "I will write MY laws on thier hearts and thier minds", and Paul said, "with the flesh I serve the law of sin and death, but with my mind I serve the law of God."?

Flesh serves the law of sin and death! Flesh serves that which it gives it'self to.

Eve gave herself to Satan and also Adam which is why Satan rules the kingdoms of this world; they gave up the first dominion which was thiers, they gave it to Satan by obeying him and bringing all men under his rulership.

That tree had to have been a kingdom of laws written in books. A&E partook of that law and we still are.





researcher
QUOTE (Jerrarose @ Sep 21 2008, 06:33 AM) *
No, not original, very true. It hasn't been completely revealed but we will get there.

researcher believes as I do, this has been revealed to me only in the past few years.

The trees were different kingdoms with thier rulers.

Remeber the fruit of the tree was seen to them as something to make them wise... i ask, think, how could an apple, orange, or any other 'fruit' do that? No, it had to be systems of knowledge, ways of living.

Look:
Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness? Behold, the Assyrian [was] a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs. The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field. Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth. All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations. Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters. The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that [were] in the garden of God, envied him.

Look at these trees in the garden, THEY ENVIED!!! Do fruit trees ENVY????

NO!!

See, trees aren't fruit trees with apples, oranges, etc... they're NATIONS and PEOPLE!!!

Adam and Eve took knowledge of a type of kingdom that was forbidden for them, they were not supposed to learn of it, eat of it.

I believe this to be a kingdom of written laws, Satan's kingdom which is now here in Earth.

The tree was called the 'Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil' was it not?

Answer me...

WHAT on this earth is there that gives a man the knowledge of good and evil, to know the difference, by someones estimation, between good and evil???

There is only one thing for a man NOT in Christ that tells him the difference between good and evil and that is the LAW written in books in EVERY Nation under heaven.

Satan's kingdom seems to have been a kingdom of a certain kind of law, a law which God hates; is this why God said, "I will write MY laws on thier hearts and thier minds", and Paul said, "with the flesh I serve the law of sin and death, but with my mind I serve the law of God."?

Flesh serves the law of sin and death! Flesh serves that which it gives it'self to.

Eve gave herself to Satan and also Adam which is why Satan rules the kingdoms of this world; they gave up the first dominion which was thiers, they gave it to Satan by obeying him and bringing all men under his rulership.

That tree had to have been a kingdom of laws written in books. A&E partook of that law and we still are.


Amen Jerrarose. God shows us what his parables mean. The speculators have been teaching us erroneously for eons. The trees in the garden of Eden were people. And Adam was to look out for them, and tend to them. But he messed up. sad.gif But God made it ok again. smile.gif

Thanks for comments. smile.gif
gregg
QUOTE (Melangel @ Jul 15 2008, 03:04 AM) *
The trees in the garden of Eden have been on my mind for sometime. Last night I was thinking about them again and I had a thought.

Genesis 2:16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


and later


Genesis 3:17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.




Adam and Eve were free to eat from the tree of life to begin with. What prevented them from doing so? Lack of knowledge? What would have happened if Adam and Eve had first eaten of the Tree of Life and then eaten of the Tree of Knowledge?

Not sure exactly what my questions are, maybe they are observations still.


The woman was not named Eve by God, but by Adam. None of the animals was found to be a helpmate for Adam. But Adam naed his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the animals. Now, why?

In Gen. 3:22 , God said 'Behold, the man has become as ONE of us to know good and evil . . . '

Which ONE? He clothed the man and his wife with skin and cast the man out. Why just the man?

It was the man who said that they were to become ONE flesh and they did. So, it is the flesh that knows good and evil. The spirit does not, the spirit lives forever. But, that brings out a mistake of perception.

God reversed Himself after the flood and Noah came off the ark and offered his offerings and:

Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savor; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Reember, in Gen. 3:17 God said to Adam:

' . . . cursed is the ground for thy sake; . . .'

What is the Tree of Life? Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ was in the Garden to begin with! He was the Tree of Life! Who was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? It was protected by the serpent. It was the serpent who was the deceiver, the liar; 'Surely, you won't die.' Satan was the serpent. Is the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil something that we shouldn't have? I put to you, it is a LIE that there is EVIL with it from God who said ,Behold, the man has become ONE of US to know good and evil.' There is no evil from God. EVIL is a LIE from the father of lies. And he is still active. Still deceiving.
NIGHTMARE
QUOTE (gregg @ Nov 15 2008, 08:24 PM) *
QUOTE (Melangel @ Jul 15 2008, 03:04 AM) *
The trees in the garden of Eden have been on my mind for sometime. Last night I was thinking about them again and I had a thought.

Genesis 2:16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


and later


Genesis 3:17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.




Adam and Eve were free to eat from the tree of life to begin with. What prevented them from doing so? Lack of knowledge? What would have happened if Adam and Eve had first eaten of the Tree of Life and then eaten of the Tree of Knowledge?

Not sure exactly what my questions are, maybe they are observations still.


The woman was not named Eve by God, but by Adam. None of the animals was found to be a helpmate for Adam. But Adam naed his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the animals. Now, why?

In Gen. 3:22 , God said 'Behold, the man has become as ONE of us to know good and evil . . . '

Which ONE? He clothed the man and his wife with skin and cast the man out. Why just the man?

It was the man who said that they were to become ONE flesh and they did. So, it is the flesh that knows good and evil. The spirit does not, the spirit lives forever. But, that brings out a mistake of perception.

God reversed Himself after the flood and Noah came off the ark and offered his offerings and:

Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savor; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Reember, in Gen. 3:17 God said to Adam:

' . . . cursed is the ground for thy sake; . . .'

What is the Tree of Life? Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ was in the Garden to begin with! He was the Tree of Life! Who was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? It was protected by the serpent. It was the serpent who was the deceiver, the liar; 'Surely, you won't die.' Satan was the serpent. Is the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil something that we shouldn't have? I put to you, it is a LIE that there is EVIL with it from God who said ,Behold, the man has become ONE of US to know good and evil.' There is no evil from God. EVIL is a LIE from the father of lies. And he is still active. Still deceiving.



Just finish connecting the dots Gregg.......You are right Christ is the tree of life,,,,,,,But satan didnt protect the tree of knowledge,,, he is the tree of knowledge..... Ezekiel 31 well tell you all about him.....
MMarc

When you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

I believe it means simply people know the difference between right and wrong and yet choose to do wrong...

Either towards God or fellowman.
Patmos
QUOTE (Melangel @ Jul 15 2008, 05:04 AM) *
The trees in the garden of Eden have been on my mind for sometime. Last night I was thinking about them again and I had a thought.

Genesis 2:16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


and later


Genesis 3:17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.




Adam and Eve were free to eat from the tree of life to begin with. What prevented them from doing so? Lack of knowledge? What would have happened if Adam and Eve had first eaten of the Tree of Life and then eaten of the Tree of Knowledge?

Not sure exactly what my questions are, maybe they are observations still.


The eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil means that instead of just knowing about God as your lord you are also subject to finding satan as your lord.

Note: the tree of knowledge of good and evil does not prevent mankind from knowing the true and living God because you still have the possibility of knowing GOOD. Indeed God talks to Adam right afterwards but probably goes relatively silent after the object lesson of "living by the sweat of his brow" comes to reality.

I would suppose God keeps talking yet the communication lines are severely stunted by white noise from satan.

You see, in the garden, they knew when God talked and they knew when satan talked. Once, they ate the fruit of good and evil and it became less obvious who was talking and/or it became harder to believe God when He said something because satan would swoop down and devour the seed of His Word.... (See God's advice to Cain)

So in spite of God's great mercies, satan's program became significantly enlarged and he became more effective in the invisible realm.

Prior to that, it appears, he was only effective in the visible realm thus had to enter a snake to communicate with man. Yet the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil opened up mankind to "other" possible explanations of God, his plan and his character.

Subtle whisperings of evil and and/or doubt (which is evil) became more effective thus man found himself in a dilema as to what to believe and could really only rely on God's revealed truth through Adam and story telling...

It showed that the time had come for mankind to learn how to sever evil cords and establish good cords through prayer, worship and faith in the True and Living God...


This becomes increasingly difficult as the anti diluvian age moves on, because fewer and fewer people walk with God thus we are constantly surrounded by confusion which are vail philosophies of men passed down through generations of confusion.

Of course if Adam would have eaten from the tree of Life, the fall of man would not have happened. There would be no confusion.

satan would have been judged; this would indicate that his story telling to Eve would have failed, meaning she would have heeded God's warning and 6,000 of corruption and confusion would not have filled the earth.

satan knew he had to get to Eve quickly before she ate of the Tree of Life. Perhaps these two trees sat apart from the other trees and were not accessible until satan made his approach and told Eve a lie.

I would have to imagine that God allowed satan to make his case before the judgement. satan has always relied on God's goodness (keeping His Word) to execute his plan of becoming Like the Most High.

This is evident because God is all powerful and could have stopped this rebellion from the very beginning therefore we see that God had codified laws prior to the creation of mankind and satan had studied what God would and would not do and under what circumstances He would do it.

Therefore, the original revolt was set up on a similar basis of that of Adam and Eve's revolt.

satan had more knowledge of what was really going on, but he made a calculated gamble that he could possibly succeed based on knowledge of God's goodness and Word/heavenly law.

He carefully considers what God has the prophets pen into Scriptures and trys to break them. That is his escape clause; to break the revealed word of God before it happens. We see he stops at nothing to try doing so, or he would not have tempted the Lord of Glory in the wilderness....

Anyway, once you eat of the tree of life, you have life...that is why Scriptures indicate that we will once again be healed by the leaves of the tree of life...they are the leaves that heal the nations.



NIGHTMARE
QUOTE (MMarc @ Nov 16 2008, 01:02 PM) *
When you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

I believe it means simply people know the difference between right and wrong and yet choose to do wrong...

Either towards God or fellowman.



Eating from the tree of knowledge simple means believing the lies of Satan,,,,,Satan is the Tree of Knowledge,,,,,,After you eat of those lies,,,,,it will cause you to sin.......Eve believed she we be like a god and she thought she would give birth to the saviour he she got down and dirty with satan,,,,so she did......
~Selah~
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 17 2008, 11:36 AM) *
Eating from the tree of knowledge simple means believing the lies of Satan,,,,,Satan is the Tree of Knowledge,,,,,,After you eat of those lies,,,,,it will cause you to sin.......Eve believed she we be like a god and she thought she would give birth to the saviour he she got down and dirty with satan,,,,so she did......


NM, your claims are so outrageous, where do you get them? Let's take a look shall we in the Word and see what He say's. first:
Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Nightmare say's:
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 17 2008, 11:36 AM) *
Eating from the tree of knowledge simple means believing the lies of Satan

God say's:
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Also:
Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

(It was transgression/disobedience toward God that *first* took place, the result was partaking of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which caused death.)

Nightmare say's:
QUOTE
Satan is the Tree of Knowledge,,,,,,,,,,,,After you eat of those lies,,,,,it will cause you to sin

God say's:
Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(Notice the serpent was a "beast of the field") See also this:

Genesis 2:16-17
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
(The tree of knowledge is not of the field, it is "of the garden" as God say's) So the tree is separate alltogether of the serpent because God say's.

Nightmare say's
QUOTE
Eve believed she we be like a god and she thought she would give birth to the saviour he she got down and dirty with satan,,,,so she did......

Eve believed the cunning serpent over God. She was beguiled or enchanted by the cunning serpent, because 'serpent' is enchanter. To give any other interpretation than that, is to take away from what took place in the garden, and to take away what "really" took place in the garden is to take away from why Jesus Christ was crucified for all mankind. He is redeeming mankind from the fallen state by His sacrifice and offering, back to the place where Adam and Eve were "created in the image of God" -in the garden paradise. Thus we read here:

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


You are absolutely out of range with the Word of Yahweh. Though the truth is within and given to all of us through and through and we are told:
1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
NIGHTMARE
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 18 2008, 01:11 PM) *
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 17 2008, 11:36 AM) *
Eating from the tree of knowledge simple means believing the lies of Satan,,,,,Satan is the Tree of Knowledge,,,,,,After you eat of those lies,,,,,it will cause you to sin.......Eve believed she we be like a god and she thought she would give birth to the saviour he she got down and dirty with satan,,,,so she did......


NM, your claims are so outrageous, where do you get them? Let's take a look shall we in the Word and see what He say's. first:
Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Nightmare say's:
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 17 2008, 11:36 AM) *
Eating from the tree of knowledge simple means believing the lies of Satan

God say's:
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Also:
Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

(It was transgression/disobedience toward God that *first* took place, the result was partaking of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which caused death.)

Nightmare say's:
QUOTE
Satan is the Tree of Knowledge,,,,,,,,,,,,After you eat of those lies,,,,,it will cause you to sin

God say's:
Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(Notice the serpent was a "beast of the field") See also this:

Genesis 2:16-17
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
(The tree of knowledge is not of the field, it is "of the garden" as God say's) So the tree is separate alltogether of the serpent because God say's.

Nightmare say's
QUOTE
Eve believed she we be like a god and she thought she would give birth to the saviour he she got down and dirty with satan,,,,so she did......

Eve believed the cunning serpent over God. She was beguiled or enchanted by the cunning serpent, because 'serpent' is enchanter. To give any other interpretation than that, is to take away from what took place in the garden, and to take away what "really" took place in the garden is to take away from why Jesus Christ was crucified for all mankind. He is redeeming mankind from the fallen state by His sacrifice and offering, back to the place where Adam and Eve were "created in the image of God" -in the garden paradise. Thus we read here:

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


You are absolutely out of range with the Word of Yahweh. Though the truth is within and given to all of us through and through and we are told:
1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.



I ask you before about discussing Genesis 3,,,you seemed like you didnt want to......And why do you keep saying NM said as if your trying to make a public example?????IM really sick of your lack of understanding mixed with your think you know attitude.......


START A THREAD BASED ON GENESIS 1-3 AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE THE LITTLE UNLEARNED GIRL YOU ARE!!!!!!!! DONT WAIT START IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TIMES AWAISTING..........
~Selah~
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 18 2008, 11:26 AM) *
I ask you before about discussing Genesis 3,,,you seemed like you didnt want to......And why do you keep saying NM said as if your trying to make a public example?????IM really sick of your lack of understanding mixed with your think you know attitude.......


START A THREAD BASED ON GENESIS 1-3 AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE THE LITTLE UNLEARNED GIRL YOU ARE!!!!!!!! DONT WAIT START IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TIMES AWAISTING..........


"I seemed like I didn't want to discuss"? That's quite presumptuous of you! I provided a walk through of Genesis with Scripture and once again you are the entity that bypasses the Word of God.
I have no idea what you are on about with making a public statement, when in fact this is an open "Christian" forum where we all discuss Scripture, openly. If you cannot even do that, then I have to ask, what are you here for?

You will be happy to make me look like a little unlearned girl? Why so you can look like a full grown intelligent man? We are not ( or atleast I'm not) attempting to prove myself to you or anyone, whether I be unlearned or not, the test is up to you regarding what I discuss and the source of any knowledge or lack thereof-which is the Holy Bible. If time is "awaisting" then what is preventing you from discussing right now in this thread?

Nightmare...your fruits are rotten. Your attitude regarding Scripture is rotten and your attitude regarding other believers is rotten. You seem to be proud of this, which makes your fruits even more rotten.

James 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
NIGHTMARE
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 18 2008, 01:43 PM) *
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 18 2008, 11:26 AM) *
I ask you before about discussing Genesis 3,,,you seemed like you didnt want to......And why do you keep saying NM said as if your trying to make a public example?????IM really sick of your lack of understanding mixed with your think you know attitude.......


START A THREAD BASED ON GENESIS 1-3 AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE THE LITTLE UNLEARNED GIRL YOU ARE!!!!!!!! DONT WAIT START IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TIMES AWAISTING..........


"I seemed like I didn't want to discuss"? That's quite presumptuous of you! I provided a walk through of Genesis with Scripture and once again you are the entity that bypasses the Word of God.
I have no idea what you are on about with making a public statement, when in fact this is an open "Christian" forum where we all discuss Scripture, openly. If you cannot even do that, then I have to ask, what are you here for?

You will be happy to make me look like a little unlearned girl? Why so you can look like a full grown intelligent man? We are not ( or atleast I'm not) attempting to prove myself to you or anyone, whether I be unlearned or not, the test is up to you regarding what I discuss and the source of any knowledge or lack thereof-which is the Holy Bible. If time is "awaisting" then what is preventing you from discussing right now in this thread?

Nightmare...your fruits are rotten. Your attitude regarding Scripture is rotten and your attitude regarding other believers is rotten. You seem to be proud of this, which makes your fruits even more rotten.

James 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.


Answer me this then Selah

In Genesis 4 Eve said she Got a man from the Lord,,,,but you say Cain is from Adam,,,Adam is not the LOrd he was a mere man why did she say this?????????

If the sin was simply eating fruit,,,,why did God curse the womb of the woman??????

Why did they cover there private areas??????????

Why is Cains name not found in the generarions of Adam?????????

Why did John say this 1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him??????

Where did Cain find his wife??????

Who was Cain afraid of when he got kicked out?????

Why is the trees in the Garden called "Atsah, aw-tsaw, and not ets???????

DO you understand the other reference to trees in the garden which is Atseh, aw-tseh, do you know what that means????

Eve said that she was not allowed to touch the tree,,,do you know what "TOUCH" means in hebrew????

II Corinthians 11:3 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." In other words, you turn away from the simplicity of reading God's Word.

DO you know what "Beguiled" means???????

Do you know what the word "SEED" means as its being utilized here?????Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel

~Selah~
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 18 2008, 01:00 PM) *
Answer me this then Selah


No I will not answer your 12 questions, not when I gave a very basic walk through of Genesis. You are asking me questions to test God, and you had better use caution in that. Who can answer your questions such as "why were Adam and Eve covering their private parts????????????"

My question would be, why is that your emphasis? And here is what God say's:
Genesis 3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Look at that! The Word answered your question perfectly. Now it is up to YOU to adhere and believe, without adding "Satanic" imaginations to it. When you add to what is already been given, then you are "creating" a different scenerio than what was Created by God and given as a "gift" to His children, not as a paper shredder or for our imaginations to run over and above. Do you understand that?
NIGHTMARE
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 18 2008, 02:21 PM) *
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 18 2008, 01:00 PM) *
Answer me this then Selah


No I will not answer your 12 questions, not when I gave a very basic walk through of Genesis. You are asking me questions to test God, and you had better use caution in that. Who can answer your questions such as "why were Adam and Eve covering their private parts????????????"

My question would be, why is that your emphasis? And here is what God say's:
Genesis 3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Look at that! The Word answered your question perfectly. Now it is up to YOU to adhere and believe, without adding "Satanic" imaginations to it. When you add to what is already been given, then you are "creating" a different scenerio than what was Created by God and given as a "gift" to His children, not as a paper shredder or for our imaginations to run over and above. Do you understand that?



Lets see how dumb you soud,,,,,,So Adam and Eve ate a piece of literal fruit and tryed to hide it by covering there private parts,,,and then God comes along and curses the womans private parts,,,,for a piece of fruit huh????

As far as my questions I didnt expect you to answer them,,,,,,,,,in answering them you will make yourself look like a idiot,,not that you havent already done so........

You looked over the questions,,,and couldnt answer them,,,,especially the ones that deal with a little hebrew,,,why?????Becaue your no-where as smart as you think you are.......

Thats why you dont wanna use the concordance,,,becaus the authors (who are much smarter then you) dont agree with you and make you look foolish,,,,so what do you do ???You start a thread asking people to not use the concordance....

What a punk move,,,thats like telling the Lakers you wanna play them but they cant use Kobi.....fraddy cat,,,what you afraid of ????being proved wrong,,,yup thats it.....

You err over the manuscripts,,,,heck I dont even think you know what they are....

Your a freakin joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Show me how what I believe stops anyone from salvation,,,,show me how its a devil doctirne,,,,my doictrine show just how evil satan is and how far he was willing to go to stop Christ,,,,your doctrine is a piece of $#!* it underestimates christians worst enemy and teaches fairytales.............Now if your not willing to discuss/debate this why haggle me??????

Show me or shut up,,,you couldnt show WW either....

NIGHTMARE
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 18 2008, 02:21 PM) *
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 18 2008, 01:00 PM) *
Answer me this then Selah


No I will not answer your 12 questions, not when I gave a very basic walk through of Genesis. You are asking me questions to test God, and you had better use caution in that. Who can answer your questions such as "why were Adam and Eve covering their private parts????????????"

My question would be, why is that your emphasis? And here is what God say's:
Genesis 3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Look at that! The Word answered your question perfectly. Now it is up to YOU to adhere and believe, without adding "Satanic" imaginations to it. When you add to what is already been given, then you are "creating" a different scenerio than what was Created by God and given as a "gift" to His children, not as a paper shredder or for our imaginations to run over and above. Do you understand that?


ummmmmmmm excuse me but you cant give a account of Genesis if you dont understand any Hebrew........geeez
~Selah~
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 18 2008, 02:00 PM) *
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 18 2008, 02:21 PM) *
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 18 2008, 01:00 PM) *
Answer me this then Selah


No I will not answer your 12 questions, not when I gave a very basic walk through of Genesis. You are asking me questions to test God, and you had better use caution in that. Who can answer your questions such as "why were Adam and Eve covering their private parts????????????"

My question would be, why is that your emphasis? And here is what God say's:
Genesis 3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Look at that! The Word answered your question perfectly. Now it is up to YOU to adhere and believe, without adding "Satanic" imaginations to it. When you add to what is already been given, then you are "creating" a different scenerio than what was Created by God and given as a "gift" to His children, not as a paper shredder or for our imaginations to run over and above. Do you understand that?



Lets see how dumb you soud,,,,,,So Adam and Eve ate a piece of literal fruit and tryed to hide it by covering there private parts,,,and then God comes along and curses the womans private parts,,,,for a piece of fruit huh????

As far as my questions I didnt expect you to answer them,,,,,,,,,in answering them you will make yourself look like a idiot,,not that you havent already done so........

You looked over the questions,,,and couldnt answer them,,,,especially the ones that deal with a little hebrew,,,why?????Becaue your no-where as smart as you think you are.......

Thats why you dont wanna use the concordance,,,becaus the authors (who are much smarter then you) dont agree with you and make you look foolish,,,,so what do you do ???You start a thread asking people to not use the concordance....

What a punk move,,,thats like telling the Lakers you wanna play them but they cant use Kobi.....fraddy cat,,,what you afraid of ????being proved wrong,,,yup thats it.....

You err over the manuscripts,,,,heck I dont even think you know what they are....

Your a freakin joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Show me how what I believe stops anyone from salvation,,,,show me how its a devil doctirne,,,,my doictrine show just how evil satan is and how far he was willing to go to stop Christ,,,,your doctrine is a piece of $#!* it underestimates christians worst enemy and teaches fairytales.............Now if your not willing to discuss/debate this why haggle me??????

Show me or shut up,,,you couldnt show WW either....


Are you some kind of joker? Do you expect to have a decent and mature discussion with that attitude toward the HOLY Scriptures? I say yes to the former and no to the latter. I will not carry on discussing that which is Holy with swine.
NIGHTMARE
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 18 2008, 06:10 PM) *
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 18 2008, 02:00 PM) *
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 18 2008, 02:21 PM) *
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 18 2008, 01:00 PM) *
Answer me this then Selah


No I will not answer your 12 questions, not when I gave a very basic walk through of Genesis. You are asking me questions to test God, and you had better use caution in that. Who can answer your questions such as "why were Adam and Eve covering their private parts????????????"

My question would be, why is that your emphasis? And here is what God say's:
Genesis 3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Look at that! The Word answered your question perfectly. Now it is up to YOU to adhere and believe, without adding "Satanic" imaginations to it. When you add to what is already been given, then you are "creating" a different scenerio than what was Created by God and given as a "gift" to His children, not as a paper shredder or for our imaginations to run over and above. Do you understand that?



Lets see how dumb you soud,,,,,,So Adam and Eve ate a piece of literal fruit and tryed to hide it by covering there private parts,,,and then God comes along and curses the womans private parts,,,,for a piece of fruit huh????

As far as my questions I didnt expect you to answer them,,,,,,,,,in answering them you will make yourself look like a idiot,,not that you havent already done so........

You looked over the questions,,,and couldnt answer them,,,,especially the ones that deal with a little hebrew,,,why?????Becaue your no-where as smart as you think you are.......

Thats why you dont wanna use the concordance,,,becaus the authors (who are much smarter then you) dont agree with you and make you look foolish,,,,so what do you do ???You start a thread asking people to not use the concordance....

What a punk move,,,thats like telling the Lakers you wanna play them but they cant use Kobi.....fraddy cat,,,what you afraid of ????being proved wrong,,,yup thats it.....

You err over the manuscripts,,,,heck I dont even think you know what they are....

Your a freakin joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Show me how what I believe stops anyone from salvation,,,,show me how its a devil doctirne,,,,my doictrine show just how evil satan is and how far he was willing to go to stop Christ,,,,your doctrine is a piece of $#!* it underestimates christians worst enemy and teaches fairytales.............Now if your not willing to discuss/debate this why haggle me??????

Show me or shut up,,,you couldnt show WW either....


Are you some kind of joker? Do you expect to have a decent and mature discussion with that attitude toward the HOLY Scriptures? I say yes to the former and no to the latter. I will not carry on discussing that which is Holy with swine.


I will overlook the swine comment......

We cant hold a debate anyhow,,,,your not qualiyfed to answer the questions I have and you know this.......My attitude is not towards the scriptures,,,its towards you......Lets be real you dont study the scriptures taking things back to original langauges !!!You glance them over and read whatevers on the surface.........

NOW about put up or shut up??????If you speak truth then you should have no problem proving me wrong......

So again why isnt Cains name in the generarions of Adam???????
~Selah~
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 18 2008, 06:23 PM) *
I will overlook the swine comment......

We cant hold a debate anyhow,,,,your not qualiyfed to answer the questions I have and you know this.......My attitude is not towards the scriptures,,,its towards you......Lets be real you dont study the scriptures taking things back to original langauges !!!You glance them over and read whatevers on the surface.........

NOW about put up or shut up??????If you speak truth then you should have no problem proving me wrong......

So again why isnt Cains name in the generarions of Adam???????


If I'm not qualified in your opinion, then ignore me and move along, nothing to see here. You continue to call me names and attack me PERSONALLY, so I call you a swine because you are considered one by your behaviour and attitude toward the Holy Scriptures. Do not say put up or shut up after you've disqualified me and told me I don't study Scripture back to the original language. Yahshua said this:
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

And this:
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

If you believe you must know Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek or even Latin to have understanding of the Word...then that is because you lack the very source that prevails against language barriers and can lead you in all truths. excl.gif
NIGHTMARE
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 18 2008, 07:54 PM) *
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 18 2008, 06:23 PM) *
I will overlook the swine comment......

We cant hold a debate anyhow,,,,your not qualiyfed to answer the questions I have and you know this.......My attitude is not towards the scriptures,,,its towards you......Lets be real you dont study the scriptures taking things back to original langauges !!!You glance them over and read whatevers on the surface.........

NOW about put up or shut up??????If you speak truth then you should have no problem proving me wrong......

So again why isnt Cains name in the generarions of Adam???????


If I'm not qualified in your opinion, then ignore me and move along, nothing to see here. You continue to call me names and attack me PERSONALLY, so I call you a swine because you are considered one by your behaviour and attitude toward the Holy Scriptures. Do not say put up or shut up after you've disqualified me and told me I don't study Scripture back to the original language. Yahshua said this:
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

And this:
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

If you believe you must know Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek or even Latin to have understanding of the Word...then that is because you lack the very source that prevails against language barriers and can lead you in all truths. excl.gif


Well whatever.........Im not here to play your childish little games.....If you got a problem with my doctrine then address it point by point or shut up.....The truth of the matter is you cant,,,,,.........See your one of them christians that never quite gets around to things that Christ told you to learn,,,,,,,,,For example do you understand the parable of the fig tree???????Well you should Christ told you to learn it......But I can see you havent.........Maybe then you would understand why Eve and Adam choose fig leaves to cover themself,,,,but im sure you didnt even know they were in a fig orchard.......


Nobody wants to read this crap,,,,,this is a bible forum so address my doctrine or bug off........
researcher
QUOTE (Jerrarose @ Sep 21 2008, 06:33 AM) *
No, not original, very true. It hasn't been completely revealed but we will get there.

researcher believes as I do, this has been revealed to me only in the past few years.

The trees were different kingdoms with thier rulers.

Remeber the fruit of the tree was seen to them as something to make them wise... i ask, think, how could an apple, orange, or any other 'fruit' do that? No, it had to be systems of knowledge, ways of living.

Look:
Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness? Behold, the Assyrian [was] a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs. The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field. Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth. All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations. Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters. The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that [were] in the garden of God, envied him.

Look at these trees in the garden, THEY ENVIED!!! Do fruit trees ENVY????

NO!!

See, trees aren't fruit trees with apples, oranges, etc... they're NATIONS and PEOPLE!!!

Adam and Eve took knowledge of a type of kingdom that was forbidden for them, they were not supposed to learn of it, eat of it.

I believe this to be a kingdom of written laws, Satan's kingdom which is now here in Earth.

The tree was called the 'Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil' was it not?

Answer me...

WHAT on this earth is there that gives a man the knowledge of good and evil, to know the difference, by someones estimation, between good and evil???

There is only one thing for a man NOT in Christ that tells him the difference between good and evil and that is the LAW written in books in EVERY Nation under heaven.

Satan's kingdom seems to have been a kingdom of a certain kind of law, a law which God hates; is this why God said, "I will write MY laws on thier hearts and thier minds", and Paul said, "with the flesh I serve the law of sin and death, but with my mind I serve the law of God."?

Flesh serves the law of sin and death! Flesh serves that which it gives it'self to.

Eve gave herself to Satan and also Adam which is why Satan rules the kingdoms of this world; they gave up the first dominion which was thiers, they gave it to Satan by obeying him and bringing all men under his rulership.

That tree had to have been a kingdom of laws written in books. A&E partook of that law and we still are.


Almost forgot this was here. Lol.

When I realized Adam was a son of God, not just, the first "man," it became a little clearer.

Luk 3:38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

Sons of God do what? Rule over things. Which, is what Adam was told to do.

Gen 2:8 And Jehovah God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made Jehovah God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Gen 2:15 And Jehovah God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

He was to rule over the trees in Eden which were people.

Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide it; the fir-trees were not like its boughs, and the plane-trees were not as its branches; nor was any tree in the garden of God like unto it in its beauty.
Eze 31:9 I made it fair by the multitude of its branches, so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied it.

So, Adam was a son of God, which, is why when God told him if he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would die that day, Adam did, and, Adam died that day.

Gen 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the DAY that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam being a son of God, was on God time.

2Pe 3:8 But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one DAY is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So Adam died before one of God's days was up:

Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

930 years. Didn't make it to 1000 which is one day on God's time. (and all of those who came from Adam also died before one day (1000 years) was up)

To the people in the garden, he would have been like a god, because he was a "son" of God.

And at the end of the world, it's going to go back to what it should have been... the sons of God ruling over the nations... Like originally intended.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and he that keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations:
Rev 2:27 and he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of the potter are broken to shivers; as I also have received of my Father:

To the people on earth we will be like gods. Because we are sons of God. And sons of God were made to rule. smile.gif (Daughters too. wink.gif biggrin.gif)

Thanks Jerra. biggrin.gif
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