How come that so many people here don't know what their dreams are about (like pagan kings neither knew)
and still think they are prophetic, or predictive?

I'm not sure l understand what you are saying? But l guess God can open our eyes to anything. He's in everything. If he wants to use a dream or a moment l guess he can..

I also think we can get totally caught up in this and think "God says" about too many things...when really it's just our own minds. We need to asks serious question when leaning on what we think the Lord says...

I should think it has to do with gifts. Some people have a gift of interpretation of dreams. I do not. I have had prophetic downloads. But dreams are a haze to me.

Shalom rav! { Abundant peace! }

Here is an example of a prophet of Yahweh who had to ask the meaning of what he was being shone ~ It also effected him physical ~

Daniel 7:15 "As for me, Dani'el, my spirit deep within me was troubled; the visions in my head frightened me. 16 I approached one of those standing by and asked him what all this really meant. He said that he would make me understand how to interpret these things.

7:28 This is the end of the account. As for me, Dani'el, my thoughts frightened me so much that I turned pale; but I kept the matter to myself.

Daniel 8:15 After I, Dani'el, had seen the vision and was trying to understand it, suddenly there stood in front of me someone who appeared to be a man. 16 I heard a human voice calling from between the banks of the Ulai, "Gavri'el, make this man understand the vision!" 17 He came up to where I was standing, and his approach so terrified me that I fell on my face. But he said to me, "Human being! Understand that the vision refers to the time of the end." 18 As he was speaking with me, I fell into a deep sleep, with my face toward the ground; but he touched me, set me on my feet, 19 and said, "I am going to explain to you what will happen at the end of the period of fury, because [the vision] has to do with the time at the end.

8:27 I, Dani'el, grew weak and was ill for some days. Then I got up and took care of the king's affairs; but I was appalled at the vision and still couldn't understand it.

Daniel 10:7 Only I, Dani'el, saw the vision; the men who were with me did not see the vision; however, a great trembling fell over them; so that they rushed to hide themselves. 8 Thus I was left alone; and when I saw this great vision, there was no strength left in me - my face, normally pleasant-looking, became disfigured; and I had no strength.

9 I heard his voice speaking; and when I heard him speaking, I fell down in a faint, with my face to the ground.

10 Then a hand touched me and raised me, tottering, to my hands and knees. 11 He said to me, "Dani'el, you are a greatly loved man. Now pay attention to the words I am saying to you, and stand upright; for it is to you that I have been sent now."After he had said this to me, I stood up, trembling.

12 Then he said to me, "Don't be afraid, Dani'el; because since the first day that you determined to understand and to humble yourself before your God, your words have been heard; and I have come because of what you said. 13 The prince of the kingdom of Persia prevented me from coming for twenty-one days; but Mikha'el, one of the chief princes, came to assist me; so that I was no longer needed there with the kings of Persia.

14 So I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the acharit-hayamim; for there is still another vision which will relate to those days."

15 After he had said these things to me, I looked down at the ground and couldn't speak. 16 Then someone who looked like a human being touched my lips, after which I could open my mouth and speak; I said to the one standing in front of me, "My lord, it is because of the vision that I am seized with such anguish; I don't have any strength. 17 For how can this servant of my lord speak with my lord, when my strength and breath have failed me?"

18 Then, again someone who looked human touched me and revived me. 19 He said, "You man so greatly loved, don't be afraid. Shalom to you; and be strong, yes, truly strong." His speaking to me strengthened me, and I said, "My lord, keep speaking; because you've given me strength." 20 Then he said, "Do you know why I came to you? Although now I must return to fight the prince of Persia; and when I leave, the prince of Greece will come; 21 nevertheless, I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. There is no one standing with me against them except Mikha'el your prince;

You mention some of the coolest Bible passages I've ever read.
Do you mean to say that biblical persons also may have trouble sometimes, interpreting what their visions are about?
And thus when people here are not always certain of what they dream about, that this does not differ from the bible?

Greets, Divinespark

Divinespark, only the LORD gives the Interpretation. It isn't always given to the person that has had the dream. There are examples are found in the Bible of someone having the dream, and the interpretation is given through someone else. Take a look at King Nebuchadnezzar, and the interpretations were given by Daniel. These are found in the Book of Daniel.

May Yahweh pour out His wisdom upon you, amen.

Shalom Divinespark

QUOTE (Divinespark @ Jul 23 2008, 12:45 PM)

You mention some of the coolest Bible passages I've ever read.

i am glad you liked the Bible passages

QUOTE (Divinespark @ Jul 23 2008, 12:45 PM)

Do you mean to say that biblical persons also may have trouble sometimes, interpreting what their visions are about?
And thus when people here are not always certain of what they dream about, that this does not differ from the bible?

Yes, that is what i am saying




i agree with what freedom has written here

B'resheet {Genesis} 40:8 ... "Don't interpretations belong to God? ..."

Shalom,
Bat Yah


Here is a couple of examples of Yahweh using someone else to give the interpretation of a dream. ~

B'resheet {Genesis} 40:1-23 ~ Yosef {Joseph} Tells The Meaning Of The Prisoners’ Dreams

1 Some time later it came about that the Egyptian king's cupbearer and baker gave offense to their lord the king of Egypt. 2 Pharaoh became angry with his two officers the chief cupbearer and the chief baker. 3 So he put them in custody in the house of the captain of the guard, in the prison, in the same place where Yosef was kept. 4 The captain of the guard charged Yosef to be with them, and he became their attendant while they remained in prison.

5 One night the two of them, the king of Egypt's cupbearer and his baker, there in prison, both had dreams, each dream with its own meaning. 6 Yosef came in to them in the morning and saw that they looked sad. 7 He asked Pharaoh's officers there with him in the prison of his master's house, "Why are you looking so sad today?" 8 They said to him, "We each had a dream, and there's no one around who can interpret it."Yosef said to them, "Don't interpretations belong to God? Tell it to me, please." 9 Then the chief cupbearer told Yosef his dream: "In my dream, there in front of me was a vine, 10 and the vine had three branches. The branches budded, then it suddenly began to blossom, and finally clusters of ripe grapes appeared. 11 Pharaoh's cup was in my hand, so I took the grapes and pressed them into Pharaoh's cup, and gave the cup to Pharaoh."

12 Yosef said to him, "Here is its interpretation: the three branches are three days. 13 Within three days Pharaoh will lift up your head and restore you to your office: you will be giving Pharaoh his cup as you used to when you were his cupbearer. 14 But remember me when it goes well with you; and show me kindness, please; and mention me to Pharaoh, so that he will release me from this prison. 15 For the truth is that I was kidnapped from the land of the Hebrews, and here too I have done nothing wrong that would justify putting me in this dungeon." 16 When the chief baker saw that the interpretation was favorable, he said to Yosef, "I too saw in my dream: there were three baskets of white bread on my head. 17 In the uppermost basket there were all kinds of baked goods for Pharaoh, but the birds ate them out of the basket on my head." 18 Yosef answered, "Here is its interpretation: the three baskets are three days. 19 Within three days Pharaoh will lift up your head from off of you -he will hang you on a tree, and the birds will eat your flesh off you."

20 On the third day, which was Pharaoh's birthday, he gave a party for all his officials, and he lifted up the head of the chief cupbearer and the head of the chief baker among his officials. 21 He restored the chief cupbearer back to his position, so that he again gave Pharaoh his cup. 22 But he hanged the chief baker, as Yosef had interpreted to them. 23 Nevertheless, the chief cupbearer didn't remember Yosef, but forgot him.

The Complete Jewish Bible


Yosef {Joseph} Interprets Pharaoh's Dream ~ B'resheet {Genesis} 41

http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBibl...rrentChapter=40

In the cases mentioned in the bible (Pharaoh, 2 Egyptian court members, Nebuchadnezar) the dreamer is a pagan, if there is another person having to interpret it for them (Daniel, Joseph).

The pagans who have had the dreams are all very frustrated when they have woken up. They desperately want to know the correct interpretation. The cup bearer has a dream about a favourable future, the baker, Pharaoh and Nebuchadnezar have dreams about a less favourable future. But regardless of the info being favourable or unfavourable, they are all waking up with the same desperateness to know the interpretation. And they won't find peace in their minds until they know.

If it's not about the happiness or unhappiness of the message the dream carries, it's about the type of dreams itself, something "technical".

What if your everyday dreams are something volatile, in which you can influence the situation. Let's say because in your dreams you restructure your mind a bit, or because you are processing what you have been through the day before. And then comes in a piece of information which may not be changed, which is meant to be accurate info about the real physical future. It must be a surprise to the conscious as well as the subconscious mind which is used to more volatile dreams, that it's not possible to influence the dream. A mind which is used to have influence on one's own dreams must be frustrated by this?? Does this explain this frustrated feeling when they have waken up? They are left clueless at the same time, because they aren't even familiar with the symbolics in a dream which in their eyes is a dream of their own. I can imagine their confusion a bit. They believe it was their own dream, their own experience, and they are not aware that it was from an external source (God). Something external reaching their conscious minds through the same channel as a dream, and therefore regarded as a dream by the one receiving it. In the case of the dream of Nebuchadnezar, it seems to come from a "database" which God can consult again and send to Daniel in turn.

Greets, Divinespark