Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I know now, what is the sign of the Son of man in heaven that shall appear.

It will be a red cross in the sky. The whole world will one day see it. A red cross in the sky.

Remember this so you will recognize the sign of the Son of man when it appears.

Humble Bob....can you tell us more?

Yes, its going to happen soon too..Now I dont know about the red cross thing lol, but something in the heavens will be conspicuous of his coming..this generation of mankind will witness this..

WW, I can. But I do not guarantee that what I know here is the truth. Pray to the Lord that he blesses you with the Holy Spirit to discern the truth, because I would love to know the truth as well.



The picture I have posted is a drawing of a Sumerian relief. I do not know the date, but the Sumerians lived in the 6th to the 2nd millennium BC according to Wikipedia. The relief is from a presentation by a gentleman named James Martell. He has a web site www.xfacts.com and also has a few video presentations posted in youtube and Google video.

Now, Mr. Martell has been delving into a lot of historic Sumerian artifacts kept in the British Natural Museum and in the Louvre, artifacts never publicly displayed. However, he's taking this information and weaving it into some crazy notion about UFO's and extraterrestrials. I just don't understand why people would rather believe in space aliens than in Jesus Christ.

Anyway, one of the slides he's explaining to the audience that the archeological record writes of a planetary object, appearing like a star even in the day, and here in this picture it is depicted as a cross in the sky. The Sumerians described it as a cross and reddish in appearance. Mr. Martell says records indicate this object is the planet Nibiru, or as we know it today as Planet X. Funny that we would even call it Planet X because the letter X is a cross. I don't believe in coincidences.

Well he says Nibiru has a long elliptical orbit that circles the sun every 3600 years. Now, lets say that all this 2012 end of the world stuff is possibly true, I don't know, but 2012 - 3600 = 1588 BC and 1588 + 3600 = 5188 BC, two possible time periods that Nibiru could have appeared during the Sumerian civilization, which would place the picture of the Sumerian clay relief in that period.

Now, according to Sumerian lore, The earth was once a large planetary mass called Tiamat, and Nibiru had wandered close to the earth with one of it's moons crashing into Tiamat splitting it in two. Half of it became the astroid belt that we know of today and the other half earth and the moon. The bible even recounts the creation of the moon after the earth was formed, in which the lore of Tiamat and Nibiru seems consistent with the account given in the book of Genesis.

God created the firmament on the second day, calling the dry land earth on the third day, and finally the creation of two greater lights; the greater to rule the day (the sun) and the lesser to rule the night (the moon) on the fourth day ( I think the sun was created much sooner but it is presented as being created in the fourth day because that might have been when earth was given its rotation where it is explained that the night is divided from the day).

This was about 4.7 billion years ago, and since then Martell explains Nibiru has orbited some 1 million times (4.7 billion years divided by 3600 years), so he dismisses the effects that Nibiru will have when it returns because Earth has managed to continue despite some 1 million orbits from Nibiru. However, he has not taken into account that Earth is statistically due for another strike by Nibiru, if Nibiru is real, because it was over 4 billion years ago when there was the first catastrophic encounter and it's only a matter of time of second catastrophic encounter. It's like me buying enough lottery tickets for a long enough time and it's likely I'll win.

The funny thing about all this is while Mr. Martell was explaining the UFO stuff I was rolling my eyes, and then he presents the illustration of the relief. That caught my attention. He tried to insinuate maybe this might be the origin of the Christian cross and that Christ is an off shoot of the Sumerian Lore as if to suggest Christianity is derived from the Sumerian Lore, which I disagree.

Basically, I saw something that I think correlates with scripture and that is what struck a cord with me. I trust the Word of God believing events parallel the Word rather than the Word paralleling the events.

I hope I've explained this well, WW. Thanks for asking.

Regards HB

This is the sign of the son of man that will appear in heaven.

30 For as Jonah became a sign to the Ninevites, so also the Son of Man will be to this generation.

9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.
10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.
12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.

I thought that the "sign of the son of man" was first a reference to Dan 7:13's "son of man" coming "with the clouds of heaven." The sign is simply the appearance of Jesus in the sky, coming back to the earth to claim his throne in Jerusalem. The text gives us no reason to assume tht the sign is going to be some sort of image or phenomenon in the heavens.
Jesus himself is the sign. He is the sign that the disciples asked about in Mat 24:3. "When will these things happen, and what will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?" The Greek word translated "coming," here is the Strong's 3952 "parousia." Its definition is:

1) presence

2) the coming, arrival, advent


"And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky... they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory." Mat 24:30. The caps is a direct quote from Daniel 7:13.

He's coming back the same way he left..in the clouds to reclaim his bride.

And triumphantly again with all the Saints with him.

Now we see the key unlocked...a sign...



But soon..

no longer on the wall

but in the parting clouds.

Read about it here;

http://bible-codes.org/mene-bible-prophecy...-tet-atbash.htm

Hello my family in Christ!!!

Our king is coming soon. Revelations 14:6 is the key verse that tells us an angel in mid air will come and proclaim the Eternal gospel of God to every language, nation, tribe and people of the earth, then the Son of Man comes in the sky and a sickle is swing across the earth. This event of the sickle being swing is in 2 Thess. 2 that says the dead in Christ rise first then those that are alive in Christ will shed their bodies and go upward to meet the Savior and HE will take us and put us into our rooms that John 14;1-4 mentions. The rooms that Jesus has gone to prepare for those that KNOW THE WAY, he says he will come back and take us with HIM to the rooms (mansions) He has prepared for us. These rooms are also spoken of in Isaiah 26:20 Go my people and enter into your rooms and shut the doors, for a little while, see the Lord is coming out of HIS dwelling to punish the sins of the people of the world.

This is all the bible tells us that I can find that is nothing be scriptures describing this event that is VERY NEAR TO TAKING PLACE WITH US THAT HAVE COME TO KNOW THE WAY, CALLED JESUS CHRIST. Amen

Our King is coming soon and this is the exact events that will take place soon. We have only the 3 1/2 yrs period of the 8th king/beast power/man spoken of in Revelation13:7 Revelation 17:11 and Daniel 7:25 that describes this time. And the Kingdom will be handed over to us saints to judge the angels, as I Cor 6: 2-6 speak of. Then the end will come.

As the scriptures state clearly the Saints go before this beast and he will oppose ALL OF US. But those that know their God will make it through, if not we only sleep for a little while and we will be called up with the patriarchs, Apostles, and others who have gone to sleep waiting for this DAY. HOW AWESOME, for it is coming quicker that we realize.

LOL your sister in Christ who is soon coming.

Heh, a red cross, just like I said. There are no such thing as coincidences

A Red Cross stands for blood that has been shed. Another red cross just means more bloodshed. Guess that would fulfill Revelations 13:10 He who has ear let him hear, those to be killed by the sword will be killed and those to be taken into captivity will go into captivity as this beast power comes into the throne of Satan Rev.13:2.

A bloody battle it is going to be, from these two scriptures in Revelations, A man having Satan's powers for 42 months and God stating those to be killed by the sword will be killed. All others into captivity.

LOL your sister in Christ who is coming soon to take HIS THRONE> Amen

You have explained it very well Humble Bob, thank you for doing so


I have recently read about Nibiru from posts on this forum. It is interesting, especially to me as I am one of those people that believe in space aliens, however, not in place of Jesus.


I tried to understand the "code" as presented by Shekel but I'm afraid it is all beyond me. If you can put it in kindergarten form...please do. I believe a/the code is there but it is way too much information for me. Are you able to squeeze it all into a paragraph or two? I am interested to see what is written there about the "sign."


Will the red cross be an actual, visual sign? Will it be an actual...red cross? Are we speaking spiritually or literally?


The phrase...."The SIGN of the Son of Man in heaven" has always intrigued me as it is not the same as when we shall, "see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

Does this below here mean anything to any of you? I would like to hear your response.

I thought that the "sign of the son of man" was first a reference to Dan 7:13's "son of man" coming "with the clouds of heaven." The sign is simply the appearance of Jesus in the sky, coming back to the earth to claim his throne in Jerusalem. The text gives us no reason to assume tht the sign is going to be some sort of image or phenomenon in the heavens.
Jesus himself is the sign. Jesus is the sign that the disciples asked about in Mat 24:3. "When will these things happen, and what will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?" The Greek word translated "coming," here is the Strong's 3952 "parousia." Its definition is:

1) presence

2) the coming, arrival, advent


"And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky... they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory." Mat 24:30. The caps is a direct quote from Daniel 7:13.

Blessings on you all.

A friend of mine believes as you are stating it Eliyahu. The wording seems odd to me however, as if there is a difference...the sign and the arrival being two different things. The Daniel scripture speaks of His arrival but not the sign.


It is as if the sign will appear, the tribes will mourn because of it and then.....they will see the Son of Man.

Yes, that's exactly what I believe. the angel in Rev. 14:6 comes out of heaven and tell the eternal gospel to all nations tribe and languages of the earth and the sky recedes and the Son of Man comes in the clouds and the sickle is swing across the earth for the good grapes and the bad grapes are left to face the Wrath of God. Amen

Our King is coming soon and we are going to face a turbulent time of chaos that has never been upon the earth before.

your sister inChrist

Hi Friend,


Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

20. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.


You don't harvest grapes with a sickle. We are the grapes and He doesn't slice us with a sickle or press us into a winepress....He does that to those that follow Satan. The "vine of the earth" that the sickle gathered is Satan and his crew are the rotten fruit that gets pressed.


Our King is coming soon but remember....the fake king comes first pretending to be Him. Don't fall for his deception...don't take the mark of the beast.

In further discussion of your post I will add:


Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.


In that verse there is no mention of "a sign," as there is in the corresponding verse of Matthew 24:30. So, does that mean that, as you say, His arrival is the sign...He is the sign Himself?

The sign heralds His arrival, or rather our departure.

Hiya HB.
I have not read this particular idea before but I have read of Tiamat and Marduk and that Marduk is associated with this planet X. This is where I have a problem with the idea.



This would make Marduk the creator no? And that is not true obviously. The Summerians, Babylonians and Assyrians worshipped Marduk aka the Fish God amongst other names (he has 50 names in all including Bel)



more here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marduk

So anyway I'm not sure how I can reconcile Nibiru with with the sign of the Son of Man when it is so intertwined with Marduk. Help would be appreciated.

BROTHER. . . I am holding my faith with your mission, yes, oh yes . . . speak out in the
message from Holy Spirit . . . step forward . . . do not step back to the corner of the ring.
The fight is upon us . . . the ring master dings the bell . . . return unto the fight . . . you
have the renewal promise . . . brother HumbleBob ----------------->





POST#5
Dude
The Sign Of The Son
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...t=0&start=0
Jul 5 2008, 04:20 AM
Luke 11:30
For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.


THE NINEVITES ANSWER:
Jacob's 2 Brides+jonah's Nineveh+2 Witnesses Of Rev, ~Parallel's: 42 months versus 42 stain glass art~
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=20995&hl=
So I see clearly how the prophecy timeline of the 42 months ( 3 1/2 years ) is connected
also to Jonah and the 120,000 people of Nineveh.






POST#1 & #4
Humble Bob @ Jul 4 2008, 01:55 AM)
The picture I have posted is a drawing of a Sumerian relief. SUMERIAN RED CLAY TABLET:
RED CROSS IN THE SKY

I know now, what is the sign of the Son of man in heaven that shall appear.

It will be a red cross in the sky. The whole world will one day see it. A red cross in the sky.

Well he says Nibiru has a long elliptical orbit that circles the sun every 3600 years. Now, lets say that all this 2012 end of the world stuff is possibly true, I don't know, but 2012 - 3600 = 1588 BC and 1588 + 3600 = 5188 BC, two possible time periods that Nibiru could have appeared during the Sumerian civilization, which would place the picture of the Sumerian clay relief in that period.



THE CLAY ANSWER :
Abdul: I Dedicate, The `treasures In Jars Of Clay`, to your dream ( CLAY, research included )
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=21316&hl=



THE RED CROSS/RED BLOOD MOON ANSWER:
~64months=8-20-2013=1948 Days Since+4-20-2008, (Passover) The Unleavened Bread~`BloodRedMoon`
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=21508&hl=





WHY THE 3600 Nibiru Sumerian clay relief in that period ? A N S W E R :
http://templemount2008.blogspot.com/
EXCERPT
http://www.bible-codes.org/bible-code-meno...nces-Isaiah.htm
The doubly-thick branches span 72 letters, divided in the middle as
36 + 36. This is the same as the menorah picture code and Jesus-Jesus
code at 360 + 360 (etc.) The numbers speak of the 72 sent out by
Jesus, and is doubled as 72 + 72 in order to speak of the 12 tribes
of Israel. (12 x 12 = 144). The main branch is 12 x 6 skips, and
is "bowing down" in agreement with the actual message of the surface
text of Isaiah 46:1-6 in which the picture is embedded. As a matter
of fact, the river ends on the very words of the actual surface text
that read, "They weigh in the balances..."






POST #18
MELANGEL
Today, 05:49 AM, JULY 24TH, 2008
more here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marduk

So anyway I'm not sure how I can reconcile Nibiru with with the sign of the Son of Man when it is so intertwined with Marduk. Help would be appreciated.





WHY INTERTWINED With MARDUK ? ANSWER : Holy Spirit(Ghost) Circumcised the message of the Beast, what belongs to God(IHVH) anti-christ stole the codes, however, Michael with the Sword Cuts back
the Marduk/cuts out the seed, belonging unto the Father (IHVH) and we are re-circumcised . . . like
the Marduk sign . . . IT NEVER BELONGED TO MARDUK.
Question? How Does Galgal, Mirror 2008 Passover>, >163 days to Feast/Trumpets? `manna ceases to fall`
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=21514&hl=
Joshua had to re-circumcise @Gilgal, before entering the land of promise . . .

http://www.hebrew4christian.org/Articles/C...rcumcision.html

Should Christians be Circumcised?

In Hebrew, "Gilgal" means "to roll," as in rolling off from us “the flesh” or the principle of lust that governs the lower nature. This second circumcision ..

Hi Melangel,


EVERYTHING is intertwined with Marduk. As the story is a Babylonian story it will place Marduk in the place of God....just where Satan believes he belongs. This is as Islam today....still trying to place himself where he has no right to be.


Remember, Abraham came out of Ur. He came out of Babylon - bable and confusion. It is said, by the wise secular teachers of today...and even some of our esteemed Christian theologians that the tales of Gilgamesh prove much of our Biblical history comes from Babylon. It is just the opposite!


The line of Cain, or Cain himself, established Babylon (Iraq of today) and he knew the story of the beginning just as well as the sons of Adam. However, his line twisted the story....just as his father did in the Garden and the result.....Gilgamesh, Isis, Tiamet, Marduk, Molech, religious factions, etc., etc., etc.


He corrupted the truth but we, as children of God have the truth.

Thoughts on this? ie this


http://www.garone.net/tony/themaster.html
Nibiru is also associated with the Red Dragon

And C7 I see your point.

At any rate will the sign that appeared at the birth of Christ appear again at his return? That's what I wonder. As it was at that time the sign of His coming into the world. Now what that sign might be there are so many theories I can't begin to wade through them all.

P.S. thank you also ww

POST#5
Dude
The Sign Of The Son
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...t=0&start=0
Jul 5 2008, 04:20 AM
Luke 11:30
For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.


At any rate will the sign that appeared at the birth of Christ appear again at his return? That's what I wonder. As it was at that time the sign of His coming into the world.


Like the timeframe of Jonah, in the belly of the whale, versus the
death, buriel, resurrection of the Lord.

The last miracle performed via Christ on earth, was 153 fishes.

So like Jonah, inside the belly of the giant FISH, the parallel's between
Jonah and your question, of the sign of His coming . . . are to be
examined.

Much love and you inspire me to dig deeper in the well, sister !

Post#21
Melangel:
Today, 07:15 AM , July 24th, 2008
We are then told that the woman also had the "moon under her feet". In 3 BC this configuration occurred on one day and one day only - September 11th, between sunset and moon set. On September 11th, sunset occured at 6:18pm, and moon set occured at 7:39pm. To tie this all together, the planet Jupiter was traveling against the back drop of stars to the east, and reached its highest point in the sky in this time frame.
As the Magi left Jerusalem, they saw Jupiter go before them. Traveling south towards Bethlahem, Jupiter in its nightly path would have "went before them, till it came and stood". Being excellent Astronomers, the Magi knew Jupiter would progress slowly toward this point over the town of Bethlahem as it reached its highest point in the sky at the meridian in the constellation of Virgo. As they approached Bethlahem, Jupiter finally "stood over" where the child was born. Based on this hypothesis, Jesus Christ was born on September 11th, 3 BC between 6:18 pm and 7:39 pm.


Melangel :

Now you got my attention in full gear ?

Did you know, if the on September 11th, sunset occured at 6:18pm, and moon set occured at 7:39pm, is correct . . . In 3 BC . . . then this is why :

http://holisticwarrior.blogspot.com/2006/0...revelation.html


Jupiter is the 7th Seal = Church of Laodicea http://www.lwbc.co.uk/seven_churches.htm
(7) Laodicea (3:14-22)This is a church that has completely lost its way. It has compromised on every possible level so as to be acceptable to the world and false religion. It has great wealth and claims to be open minded. For some reason they think that by adding God's name to all they do that it pleases God. This church has rejected the Bible for popular religion.

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/noah.html [ ]Sagittarius,in the oldest pictures of the zodiac is a cherubim. This symbol is situated 1/3 rd of the way around the zodiacal circle. It had the body of both lion and bull with wings of an eagle and the head of a woman. Sagittarius is the symbol of the incarnation, both God and man, animals representing the four corners of the heavens and symbolizing the aspects of God's redemptive work on this earth, he is poised with his arrow drawn and pointed at the heart of the scorpion. Underneath him is the southern cross.





http://biobettyculpepperclark.blogspot.com...ms-messages.htm

Vision: September 11, 2001: `the Clock`, [clock time]: 11:11 p.m. + 01:11 a.m.
Dream time, is 9-10, through 9-11, 2001 :

The night prior to 911, N.Y./Towers:
That night before the 911, the clock woke me up to view : 11:11 p.m.
and again I woke up @01:11 a.m.

Upon getting up I said, " I feel something terrible is wrong, very wrong ".
The phone rang within 30-45 minutes, I was being told by a neighbor
to turn the T.V. onto the New York situation . . .
As I did, the T.V. was showing a live broadcast of the airplane crashing
into the 2nd tower . . .

For 2 years, the 11:11 and 01:11 continued pushing me to take a look
at these numbers. Then I realized the following message, to me :

The outside numerical ones, are the representation of male (yang)

The inside numerical ones, are the representation of female (yin)

These pillars/towers of numerical ones, are reflecting the Garden of Eden
message of the good/evil and/or light/dark of mankind.

Each human male or female does have a dark and light side to our
nature.

The numerical placement : 1111 . . . teach how we become circumcized
within the reflections unto God (IHVH)

The die unto the flesh, teachings of Paul.

The 1111, are like four (4) Towers. The four (4) monuments.

The outside 11, are the two (2) Towers in NY . . . symbolic wise.

The other internal/inside 11, are the spiritual heart of the renewal of the 1111.

The enemy cannot destroy the spiritual towers, of mankind.

ah ha C7. That is something. I have been reading today something interesting that now you have brought to mind. But first I must move furniture sadly Be back later and I will think while I move stuff.
P.S. Taking care of my back no worry

Thank you Bob.

This is very interesting.

waht we are talking about here is the English Flag.

Isa 18:3 All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign on the mountains; and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye.

Are you stating `Simple`, that the entire message has no parallel's to
be more than the Flag of England ?

Hopefully, not.

Yes, I see the clear understanding of the Davidic blood line unto
Queen Elizbeth I ( actually, the Flag of Dragon/Welsh ) : However, Humble Bob's red cross
in the sky, is also understood via the Post #19, a three(3) part answer : ()the clay, ()red cross/
red moon, ()36/360/3600 code interp

This is very deep.

It can include the Flag of England, as I agreed, by sharing my research
in agreement. However, it is not that s i m p l e.






http://eyesofthemadonna.blogspot.com/2008/...n-box-lane.html

`The Madonna of the Hay`, portrait, represents the reward to the Prince of Wales, King Charles II, who helped to bring Hertfordshire under the submission of 'The Church of England'. And the portrait is linked to the heirs of Princess of Wales, Lady Diana. The sad thought is, the portrait was stolen and was used for the persecution of the Davidic bloodline, of the nation of Israel. And as of 1996, remains in the hands of the unknown, outside the arms of the Welsh flag, which Queen Elizabeth I, an heir of the Davidic bloodline . . . fought for.


http://eyesofthemadonna.blogspot.com/2008/...lizabeth-i.html

Queen Elizabeth I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_I

Elizabeth I (7 September 1533 – 24 March 1603) was Queen of England and Queen of Ireland from 17 November 1558 until her death. Sometimes called The Virgin Queen, Gloriana or Good Queen Bess, Elizabeth was the sixth and last monarch of the Tudor dynasty. The daughter of Henry VIII, she was born a princess, but her mother, Anne Boleyn, was executed three years after her birth, and Elizabeth was declared illegitimate. Perhaps for that reason, her brother, Edward VI, cut her out of the succession. His will, however, was set aside, as it contravened the Third Succession Act of 1543, in which Elizabeth was named as successor provided that Mary I of England, Elizabeth's half-sister, should die without issue. In 1558, Elizabeth succeeded Mary, during whose reign she had been imprisoned for nearly a year on suspicion of supporting Protestant rebels.




http://biobettyculpepperclark.blogspot.com...-culpepper.html

HOW DOES THE DAVIDIC BLOODLINE EQUATE IN THE PROPHECY ?

The Davidic bloodline is known for callings/missions, spiritual gifts, special assignments in praise of God.

A.
King David’s history in the Bible, is considered the Davidic bloodline of Christ ancestry.

B.
Queen Elizabeth 1, of England, is of the Davidic bloodline of Christ.

C.
Althorp Estate Spencer’s ( Lady Diana ), are of the Davidic bloodline of Christ.

D.
Great Grandfather William Robert Spencer’s, great granddaughter Amanda, is of the Davidic bloodline of Christ.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_England.svg



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_England
The Flag of England is the St George's Cross. The red cross appeared as an emblem of England during the Middle Ages and the Crusades and is one of the earliest known emblems representing England. It achieved status as the national flag of England during the 16th century.

Saint George became the patron saint of England in the 13th century, and the legend of Saint George slaying a dragon dates from the 12th century.

The proportions of the flag are that the red cross has a width of 1/5 of the height of the flag.[1]

Anyway, one of the slides he's explaining to the audience that the archeological record writes of a planetary object, appearing like a star even in the day, and here in this picture it is depicted as a cross in the sky. The Sumerians described it as a cross and reddish in appearance. Mr. Martell says records indicate this object is the planet Nibiru, or as we know it today as Planet X. Funny that we would even call it Planet X because the letter X is a cross. I don't believe in coincidences.

Well he says Nibiru has a long elliptical orbit that circles the sun every 3600 years. Now, lets say that all this 2012 end of the world stuff is possibly true, I don't know, but 2012 - 3600 = 1588 BC and 1588 + 3600 = 5188 BC, two possible time periods that Nibiru could have appeared during the Sumerian civilization, which would place the picture of the Sumerian clay relief in that period.


Humble Bob :

Did you see the date parallel ? The Nibiru, elliptical orbit cycle . . .

1588 BC

5188 BC

VERSUS


. . . Elizabeth I (7 September 1533 – 24 March 1603) was Queen of England and Queen of Ireland from 17 November 1558 until her death


Look, the Queen Elizabeth I, reign from 1558.

All the sacred gematria is there :

1588, 5188, 1558

So yes, as `Simple` points out, the `Flag of England`, we should consider in the quest for
the POST#1 & #4 -----Humble Bob @ Jul 4 2008, 01:55 AM) :

I know now, what is the sign of the Son of man in heaven that shall appear.

It will be a red cross in the sky. The whole world will one day see it. A red cross in the sky.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_England.svg

its just an observation CS7.

Shekel refers to the ensign as the inverted Swiss Flag.
I am pointing out that it is also the English flag.

That's all I have said.

But Shekel's post is very interesting, because the snake on the pole is a form of FLAG.

The word for pole is that for flag.

So when Jesus says he must be lifted up like a snake on a pole, he
is saying he will be flown like a flag.

So what does he mean?

Let's not devalue HB's very powerful thread here.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Now a lot of stuff happens....

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The sign of the Son should be the Son...after all hope is gone....as lightening from east even unto the west.

I admit the sign of the Son is another open ended equation...is it a cross, or a virgin, or some cloud? I should think power and great glory will be hard to miss. Better then The Blue Angels even....

The sign of the Son is most likely an ensign as mentiond in Isa and Zech....

He's coming with the armies of heaven on chariots and horses, which, won't be literal horse drawn chariots, or literal horses.

Isa 66:15 For, behold, Jehovah will come with fire, and his chariots shall be like the whirlwind; to render his anger with fierceness, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Psa 68:17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands upon thousands; The Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the sanctuary.

Rev 19:11 And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure.

The world will think it is an invasion and go to fight against Him and his armies coming out of the sky.

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat upon the horse, and against his army.

It going to be like Independence Day the movie, literally.

Except, the good guys are the ones flying in.

Exd 17:15 And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi:

Jehovah Nissi means 'the Lord our Banner' ( or the Lord our Flag)

Hi whirlwind! Good response, but those are the bad grapes that get thrown into the wine press verse 19, it is verse 14 that speaks of the good grapes that are taken, then the bad grapes are left here for the wrath of God, that the blood reaches as high as the horses bridles.

Our King is soon coming, it will be happening soon for us to be taken into captivity to go before the beast as Rev 13:7 says and as Daniel 7:25 says we will be handed over to the beast called an 8th king defined in Rev 17:11. Just trust the Lord all the way through the 42 months, then the angel in Rev 14:6 will come and proclaim the eternal gospel, that brings an end to the reign of man.

LOL
Friend

These are the newest parallel's to the 42 months. ( see research topics, I am working on )

And whirlwind, indeed, a sickle is not a cocktail toothpick.

So let us think of the fruit of the vine, () ripe / () rotten

As for the harvest tickets, the show is about to be revealed . . . as you stated :

~The "vine of the earth" that the sickle gathered is Satan and his crew are the rotten fruit that gets pressed~



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The Last Generation Formula/code? ~70th Jubliee, spans from AD (1985-86)+ 40 years AD 2025-26

Would it be too far-fetched to take

Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

and marry it with Shekel's symbol?

So the moon would have a red cross and a red outline, as per the Code.

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Curiously, as I have mentioned before, Peter equates Jesus' Book of Revelation with the Moon.

2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

are you meaning the Vesica Piscis? You know I'm terrible with numbers C7. Goodness knows I hope my salvation doesn't ever come down to a split second decision concerning maths because if it does I am pretty much doomed
The Vesica Piscis in conjunction with the red cross maybe? hmm

It would be interesting to get Shekel's take on the Cross within the circle, as per the code,
because apparently this is a solar cross, an ancient pagan symbol.

In this case, of observation, the number is not my focus point. However, it is in the
equation.

Can you post something on V. Piscis ? . . . and tie it down to the red cross ?


I would like to see your commentary, sister . . .

And yes, Simple . . . I would like to see Shekel's feedback, also !

well I put 153 fishes in google along with Pisces as we have been talking much on the stars in this thread. I came up straight away with the Vesica piscis. That along with the red cross mentioned earlier reminded me of a picture I had seen elsewhere while looking for the Star of Bethlehem and I had disgarded as not relevent.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesica_piscis

The cross in question was this one


But then I thought of the hour glass nebula which I have always found amazing if a bit scary to look at!

(yes this is a real nebula in space but very far away and wow what a big picture sorry! )
http://student.britannica.com/eb/art/print...articleTypeId=0


http://homepage.mac.com/mrlaurie/btcfolder...2/suernova.html

No clue what this has to do with a red cross by the way. Just where my mind wondered after your post C7.

Well, it just may be connected to several items, to confirm the Creator is King/Master
of the Universe :

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_eye_of_god.htm
Subject:Eye of God

This is a picture taken by NASA with the Hubble telescope. They are referring to it as the "Eye of God". I thought it was beautiful and worth sharing.

Comments: This is an authentic photograph -- or rather, composite of photos -- taken by NASA's Hubble Space Telescope and at the Kitt Peak National Observatory in Arizona. The image was featured on NASA's Website as an Astronomy Picture of the Day in May 2003 and thereafter posted on a number of Websites under the title "The Eye of God" (though I have found no evidence that NASA has ever referred to it as such). The awe-inspiring image has also been featured on magazine covers and in articles about space imagery.

What it actually depicts is the so-called Helix Nebula, described by astronomers as "a trillion-mile-long tunnel of glowing gases." At its center is dying star which has ejected masses of dust and gas to form tentacle-like filaments stretching toward an outer rim composed of the same material. Our own sun may look like this in several billion years.

Image Credit: NASA, WIYN, NOAO, ESA, Hubble Helix Nebula Team, M. Meixner (STScI), & T. A. Rector (NRAO).

Crown7 ... I realize we talke about these numbers showing up quite often. However those very same numbers (11:11 or 1:11 or $1.11) are in my face again a lot lately. Alike numers started showing up for me around the 9/11/01 also but I had an extreme amount of family things going on that were life changing too. For the past few years the numbers have come-and-gone but (11:11) as been fairly consistent..but in the past year....its back along with just a lot of 1's. I don't really understand but my heart feels it is a message or warning or something important.

Just wanted to share this because I think others are having this also.

Hope

Hello Hope :

Yes . . . it is true.

Vision: September 11, 2001: `the Clock`, [clock time]: 11:11 p.m. + 01:11 a.m.
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Blessings and let me know, if this opens up some answers and/or questions for you.

I remember as a kid growing up and as a teenager....I would love to lay in my bed at night with my window open and look out at the moon and stars. My bed was beside the window....and I loved to feel the night breezes on me.

But I remember many times looking at the moon and seeing the cross that the light from the moon made. I would talk to God sometimes then.

Where is it in the scriptures that there will be a sign of a red cross when the Son of man returns? I don't recall reading that before.

I've not read scripture that says the sign of the Son will be a red cross. But the cross and Christ are synonymous and red would signify His blood.

It seems only appropriate.

Hi Bob. Do you mean that, you don't know if the red cross thing is true, or, whether the parts from the other guy's interpretation are true?

Thanks!

P.S. That quote is from the first page.

Hi Researcher, it means dig deep, and pray. And what you find please share.

Look for the truth and don't stop looking even if someone says they have found it.

There is so much strangeness about this, NASA cover ups, government conspiracy, etc. It's really weird, that I don't know what to make of it, but it's out there in the blogs and in video posts, stuff that makes me wonder. It's like a forest with many trees. Only my faith in Christ will lead me out of the wilderness.

But time will tell. 2012 is only about three and a half years.

There are people out there that believe Nibiru is something that will happen because of "scientific" information, but they also believe they can survive it.

I believe its "game over." I get my understanding from scripture, its subtlety, that I pray the Holy Spirit has shown me.

Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

May you dream dreams, in Jesus name, my friend.