Ah yes, anything that doesn't belong to Christ belongs to the devil. The logic of your argument is inescapable.

The wrath of God on the wicked is inescapable. If you were to become a smudge on a highway tomorrow would you know where it came from? Or if a tornado there in the bible belt swept you away from your neighborhood would you know where it came from? You wouldn't would you?

The God of your universe "Your vanity", don't believe anything real the way God has created it.


39 'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.

True.


The smudge?


Bible belt?

Neal :

I enjoyed this post of yours.

This excerpt of yours, matches the following @, my blog:

He will then take you into situations that require even greater trust in Him. Each time you are able to trust God at a higher level, God will reveal more of Himself to you. Your faith and experiencing God are directly linked.


child-teachings-for-adult-wisdom
Saturday, July 21, 2007
What is revealed is ours, the secret's are God's
Things revealed belong to us, the secret things belong to the Lord
article by : Betty C. Clark
http://holisticwarrior.blogspot.com/2006/0...ic-warrior.html

"The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law" (Deuteronomy 29:29).

My belief is, that many people wonder why some things stay a
mystery in life. And sometimes miraculous events happen at the
same time, that death steals life's promises.

Have you ever wondered about the profound events of your life,
seeming to open doors to the largest challenges ?

Or maybe, the largest challenges open the doors of transformation,
for the profound events ?

Do good and bad events run a obstacle course race, side-by-side ?

A beautiful scripture was revealed to me, that answers all the
above questions : ( I love repeating it . . . )
"The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law" (Deuteronomy 29:29).

What is revealed is ours, the secret's are God's. The first five (5)
words in this sentence, reveals why we make decisions, direct
our prayers and focus on specific revelations, in our world of chaos.

What is revealed, is our personal perspective.

What is revealed through the Holy Spirit, is our scale-of-balances
in action.

The revelation that surpasses all revelation . . . contains the wisdom
to trust, that all secret's belong to God.

What are God's secret's ?

Maybe our protection from evil, is within God's secret's. To name
a few things that may not be revealed (yet) . . .

* loss of live(s)
* loss of career(s)
* loss of relationship(s)
* loss of finance(s)
* loss of comfort
* loss of stability
* loss of word(s)

For a moment, use your childhood memories.

These secret's of God, withhold, as a parent would withhold, the
details of why the `tooth-fairy`. . . leaves money under the pillow.
Remember, you cried your eyes red, from the pain and blood
of the tooth being pulled-out.

You became so surprised the next morning, to discover your old
tooth is gone from under the pillow and a reward replaces the
lost tooth.

This seems to be a simple reminder of why the scripture states,
" What is revealed is ours, the secret's are God's ".

If we concentrate on the messages, visions and Bible scriptures
that we understand, this prepares us to receive more of God's
secret's.

Like any good parent, God withhold's all secret's that are not
in His `divine-timing`, for us to know.
WHAT A CARING HEAVENLY FATHER, WE HAVE !

Do you believe God keeps secret's, because He loves us ?

Well, that is a lesson based on `faith`. Until we learn trust in God,
`faith` has no stable foundation, to germinate the seeds of trust.
As you c o n t e m p l a t e the gift of `faith`, think about
trusting your personal revelations, while accepting the secret's belonging to God.

Wow, Neal :

I think this excerpt of yours, belongs in the `dot `research I have as ongoing . . .

Love is a positive number. Dislove (or hate) is a negative number. The absense of love (and dislove) is 0.


Monday, June 30, 2008
`D O T`
If any one has information relating to scripture and the ' DOT ' ( period ) . . .
I am gathering these facts. Thanks for your help :



This morning, upon rising from bed, I was shown the `apple fruit` is
linked to establishing the `Creation` proof, versus evolution theory:
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=20661&hl=
Natural Vibration Frequencies (hz) Of Apple Fruit, (equation of 'Creation Theory of Mankind`)


And the next item presented to me, was the ' D O T ', of the meaning
of the phrase, " Disciples of Tagin ". ( tagin = crown )

Post #9
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...=20564&st=6
`the Name Change`, Dream

These are the references I found to `D O T` :



Dot: a sacred symbol of the universe in its unmanifested form.

The Period is the simplest punctuation mark. It is simply used to mark the end of a complete sentence that is neither interrogative nor exclamatory.

The symbol for singularity is a single dot or one-dimensional point.


The punctuation mark (.) period, the dot.

This post has been edited by crownsevenalphabet: Yesterday, 01:44 PM

If you ever feel that you are so insignificant that God does not care about you or that He does not want to listen to your prayers, you will be encouraged by Romans 8:32. There, you are assured that your heavenly Father loves you unconditionally. There was nothing so precious to Him that He would not give it up in order to provide for your salvation. When the Father gave His precious Son to save you, He proved once for all that His love is boundless.

In light of what God did for us at the cross, should we not approach the throne of grace with confidence? God's response to our prayers is not based upon our worthiness but upon His love and grace. Our confidence in prayer comes not from who we are but from who He is. Nothing we could ask of Him could ever compare with the price He paid for us at the cross. How wonderful to know that God loves us so much! We can live with confidence and anticipation knowing that almighty God is willing not only to give us eternal life, but also to help us experience it fully!

39 'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.

This means that God turned you into a smudge. God blew you away with a tornado. God caused the snipers bullet to find your head.

How loving.

the ot god is the nt god...........it's the same god

the bible says so.

when the OT god kills a lot of people........it's because they were very wicked for a very long time, .........and there was no way to redeem them.

the bible says so.

do a search for LOVING-KINDNESS in the bible...........in the OT, about 300 times, it says the OT god is full of loving-kindness, tender mercies, slow to anger, eager to forgive

he forgives the repentant..........he doesn't forgive the un-repentant

the un-repentant will try to lie, steal, murder, rape again tomorrow.

Jonah wanted god to destroy the wicked city nineveh...........but the city repented...........God didn't destroy them,,,,,,,,,Jonah was angry with god that the city was NOT destroyed..............god is far more kind and gentle than men are

Neal's posts prove that he has never read the bible

;p

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Dennis,

I respect your difference of opinions.

However, Neal has read the Bible.

Did you miss this post of Neals ? Post #56 ?


If you ever feel that you are so insignificant that God does not care about you or that He does not want to listen to your prayers, you will be encouraged by Romans 8:32. There, you are assured that your heavenly Father loves you unconditionally. There was nothing so precious to Him that He would not give it up in order to provide for your salvation. When the Father gave His precious Son to save you, He proved once for all that His love is boundless.

In light of what God did for us at the cross, should we not approach the throne of grace with confidence? God's response to our prayers is not based upon our worthiness but upon His love and grace. Our confidence in prayer comes not from who we are but from who He is. Nothing we could ask of Him could ever compare with the price He paid for us at the cross. How wonderful to know that God loves us so much! We can live with confidence and anticipation knowing that almighty God is willing not only to give us eternal life, but also to help us experience it fully!

It is a catch 22. It works for those who realize it's authenticity. To the rest it is a Perry Mason mystery novel. You must remember those TV shows were all in black and white. The bible proves itself and has been proven accurate historically and prophetically. Every prophecy of Jesus came to pass and the unfolding of history according to Daniel as well.

There are few actors so closely tied to a persona than Raymond Burr as Perry Mason. This long-running series was built upon Erle Stanley Gardner´s many novels about a brilliant defense lawyer and his staff, that solved many a crime with surprise witnesses and stern cross-examinations.It was the first mystery series to feature chalk or tape outlines to mark the spots where bodies were found...

The bible is also a long running series built upon a novel idea by God to bring about salvation to men. Jesus is the brilliant defense lawyer and he has many surprise witnesses and stern cross examinations. It is the FIRST mystery series to use chalk outlines to mark the spot of sin...where bodies are found...and revitalized...there will be a court date set in days ahead..."book him Danno..."

Yes it is. For those who He has prepared for Life.

I really don't follow the some of us are chosen and some of us aren't, crap.

so, out of the same mouth comes belief and un-belief...........truth and lies...........christ and anti-christ
or,
knowledge and ignorance

has Neal read the Bible?.........if yes,,,,,,then, he didn't believe it

has Neal not read the Bible?.........then , he is telling things that he knows nothing about.

lying is not debating............Neal needs to stop lying against the Bible and God.......for his own good.........the Judge cometh!

Jesus said that we will be judged for every idle word that we've said...........(yikes!)

Lord, have Mercy on me, a sinner!

Yes - you are a sinner!

For ye might be worthy of going to Hell!

Better start repenting! Lord have mercy on you!

Such a loving God.

neal is not full of love,,,,,,,,,,he is saying any thing he can think of to start a fuss

neal loves to hurt people for fun

Read my last sentence.

My point is, if everyone is a sinner, then doesn't that qualify worthy to go to Hell?

So if everyone was a sinner, then everyone goes to Hell.

If that were true, there would be no point practicing any religion anyways (people will do it only because they like it).

Unless sinner can go to Heaven/paradise/not go to Hell, then that might be news to me.

And another counter-argument to my argument is, not everyone are sinners. I wonder who those people are (if any in the forums).

Yes you do Neal. Ignorance is not an acceptable excuse. As a matter of fact Neal there are no excuses accepted at all. You can obtain forgiveness for sin by asking God and repenting from ever doing it again. Then ask God for His Spirit to fill you, guide you, keep you from sin. Then keep asking God Until you receive.

Okay so actually yes I do.

It goes something like this.

Those that were chosen automatically go to Heaven so they don't have to worry about going to Hell.
Those that weren't chosen automatically go to Hell so there's nothing they can do to prevent that.

Ever heard of free will?

Okay, so some idiot Protestant published a book on that hundreds of years after the Bible came out and you're all believing him? That is the gospe of man, not the gospel of <the authors of the Bible>.


Well now I'm not sure what this argument is about, but probably about agnosticism or/and atheism.


The thing is, what if you were 85 years old, and you saw your young caretaker bend over and saw the cleavage, and thus lust, and thus sinned, and then, you die of old age before you get the chance to repent. Uh oh, sinner!

He changes your understanding and wisdom and you no longer think that way, see that way, or care for such things. Eye has not seen nor ear heard nor has entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love Him. But we know them through His Spirit. The flesh is for the animals that will be slaughtered. The flesh profits nothing. It is the Spirit of God that moves mountains and heals the flesh and Makes and Gives Life.

^__^;;

Who understands?

http://www.parentalguide.com/Documents/Bib..._understand.htm

The Bible gives another example of how people will not be able to understand the mysteries of the Scriptures, unless their heart is right toward God.

THE LORD HAS BROUGHT OVER YOU A DEEP SLEEP: HE HAS SEALED YOUR EYES (THE PROPHETS); HE HAS COVERED YOUR HEADS (THE SEERS). FOR YOU THIS WHOLE VISION IS NOTHING BUT WORDS SEALED IN A SCROLL (or words of a book that is sealed). AND IF YOU GIVE THE SCROLL TO SOMEONE WHO CAN READ, AND SAY TO HIM, "READ THIS, PLEASE," HE WILL ANSWER, "I CAN'T; IT IS SEALED." OR IF YOU GIVE THE SCROLL TO SOMEONE WHO CANNOT READ, AND SAY, "READ THIS, PLEASE," HE WILL ANSWER, "I DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ." THE LORD SAYS: "THESE PEOPLE COME NEAR TO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH AND HONOR ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEARTS ARE FAR FROM ME. THEIR WORSHIP OF ME IS MADE UP ONLY OF RULES TAUGHT BY MEN-Isa 29:10-13 NIV.


Because their heart is not right toward God, they cannot understand the true meaning of the Scriptures.

Meaning, he completely disrupts your thoughts. Why would a true god need to do that?

I think the real question is why would a "loving" God do that?

Indeed. A true god would be loving, or at least not say he is and then go murder thousands.

He gives you His Spirit. The Spirit of God with all knowledge and understanding. It can not be taught, or explained with the words of men. But here is a feeble attempt, It is like being retarded and all of a sudden Eisenstein being retarded compared to you. It is Gods knowledge and understanding and power that makes everything you thought you knew vanish away.

Thank you, 4god :

Hello Gravelz and Neal . . .

When each of us including the two of you Gravelz and Neal . . . including 4god and
crownsevenalphabet . . . all four of us are in this equation, called " Sovereignty "

Let us pretend, that all four of us stand on a scale-of-balance. The cup/tray of a right
and left side of this scale are equal, before we position ourselves onto this scale.

We are using our `free will` to determine which side of the scale we want to be weighed
within the equation of : Sovereignty

During the learning process of life, this journey of life, allow the free will to embrace our
selection process on the scale. Some years of my life, I have been very right sided.
Some years of my life, I have been very left sided. And some years I have positioned
my free will to be @equality level, of both right & left sides of the scale.

This scale operates like a `level`.

EXAMPLE :

To find the level point (DOT) of the wall to hang pictures, to find the exact point (DOT)
to cut a board/plank for construction projects, to find the level point (DOT) to weigh
gold for precise ounces calculations . . .

The Sovereignty, is the knowledge of where God (IHVH) reigns in creation.

The spiritual reigning area is the `level point`.

The human mind cannot find this level point. Due to our `lack` of Sovereignty perfection.

Our DNA will not allow us to be @level point.

Education will not grant us the level point.

The Divinity we `lack` as human, is the `level point` where God (IHVH) is the PRECISE
Sovereignty Creator.

So whether two (2) of the four (4) of us, place ourselves on either the right or
left sides, to believe in Him (IHVH) or not to believe in Him (IHVH) . . .

. . . regardless, of our exchanges to distribute compartments of ourselves into both
left and right areas of the scale-of-balance . . . we will never be @level point.


So two (2) believers versus two (2) infidels, will not change the level point (DOT)
of the Sovereignty of God (IHVH)

This is why, Old Testament Law was full-filled through Christ, who represented
the `Grace` . . . through the knowledge of Sovereignty, we accept this `Grace`.

The `Grace` is held A B O V E the level point (DOT) . . . secure, off the scale of balance,
protected, sealed . . . until great white throne of Judgement Day.


I appreciate your differences of opinion, in the debate arena.

However, every time you each defame the Sovereignty of God (IHVH), I ask in my heart for
your protection, ' you know not what you do ' . . .

Discussion of the existence of God (IHVH) is not the defamation of the character
of God (IHVH).

Please use some respect in this area. I ask in the most polite way, that I can.







Dream/message: 8888+cross/tau+8 Octave, +Sovereignty of God(IHVH)
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...t=0#entry201617

The Bible was written by men.




According to Germany, Einstein was, officially, a retard.







Sorry. I like mah Science. Something about Finding facts and then drawing a conclusion, instead of the other way around, feels better to me.

Mmehh C7A-Z, I'm going to need a magnifying glass to find your point. ''


You haven't said what the right and left side of the scales are.

But it's probably faith and spirituality vs. the opposite.


Ah yes, this is a argument *for* *faith*, and spirituality. How else can you get to God?


The best things in life are unforeseen! That's why we close our eyes when we kiss, wish, and dream!

Neal . . . I am starting to really like you . . . not just praying for you, however, like you (smile)





Ten Commandments Are Built Upon The `pillar`: + 2 Criminals Crucified With Christ,, who was the center `pillar` + Biblical characters of the pillar
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=20637&hl=



RIGHT:

The symbolic meaning of the criminal on right, is the Adam ( masculine):
Light, Oral Law, Love, Practice, intuitive wisdom, mercy
RIGHT is associated with Abraham ( right pillar ) + Virgin Mary



CENTER/MIDDLE:
CHRIST --- Messiah ------ crucified in the middle --------- Moses, given the 10 commandments ---------( Jacob's pillar, of Bethal ) ----- The `Word` made Flesh, Jesus Christ the Son of God (IHVH)



LEFT:

The symbolic meaning of the criminal on left, is the Eve ( feminine):
Dark, Written Law, Discipline, Theory, rational intellect, judgement
LEFT is associated with Boaz ( left pillar ) + Isaac + Mary Magdalene

Masculine is associated with love while feminity is associated with dark?

Yeah I think in the reverse. I remember reading the Shakespeare plays where they associate the sun and daytime as masculine and the moon and nighttime as feminine. Never understood why, but this is all the thousands of years ago thinking.

Lol @ associating masculinity with virgin Mary when virgin Mary is a *female*.

Females associated with rational intellect?

Wohoo.

Makes ya' go thunk . . .

Just a little joke, Neal . . . ( see the following in response to your amusement about
~Females associated with rational intellect?~ )


See how Adam was so easily deceived ?

At least that was his excuse, when God (IHVH) came knocking . . .

Eve was deceived too!

Now return to the pillar text I posted of the three :

Right (Adam)

Center (middle) (Christ) ( birth,death,resurrection )

Left (Eve)



. . . then re-read what I shared about that scale of balance.

And the level point (Dot) . . .

See the pillars Neal, are earth level principles.

Once we become spiritualized . . . just like I shared, we rise above the level point (Ayin Sof)
we are protected suspended in GRACE.

The pillars right,center,left are before Christ ascension.

Ah yes, always pray with your eyes closed and not with your eyes open.

You don't have any problem eating beef from the market. Beef that was birthed and raised for that purpose. Those who raised it and slaughtered it for you don't have any problem raising and feeding and then killing it for you. Nobody listens to what the bulls say because they are just dumb bulls. So why would Almighty God have a problem slaughtering those animals that were raised and prepared for that purpose? All in bringing His harmonious loving kingdom to those who were raised and prepared for it?

The eyes are the Ayin :






http://thecrownsevenalphabets.blogspot.com/

Gate #3 = Jasper [ Hebrew alphabet `Ayin` ] :
Answer :
Bondage ; lesson[s] in anger ; human government ; law ; perception



STAGE #2 :
( Human Soul Realm ) . . .


70/Ayin : The crown alphabet `Ayin`, represents non-judgmental
discernment [ to perceive ; detect ; to comprehend ].

THE DIGESTIVE AND EXCRETORY SYSTEMS :

Ayin = pancreas, gall bladder, liver . . .
Our human Digestive and Excretory System's functions as our
ingestion, digestion, absorption, discrimination and elimination,
processing and clearing of our desires.
[ see also Gate #3, Jasper and STAGE #2, Human Soul Realm ]



Psalms 119:121-128

Ayin

121 I have done what is righteous and just;
do not leave me to my oppressors.

122 Ensure your servant's well-being;
let not the arrogant oppress me.

123 My eyes fail, looking for your salvation,
looking for your righteous promise.

124 Deal with your servant according to your love
and teach me your decrees.

125 I am your servant; give me discernment
that I may understand your statutes.

126 It is time for you to act, O LORD;
your law is being broken.

127 Because I love your commands
more than gold, more than pure gold,

128 and because I consider all your precepts right,
I hate every wrong path.

suggested reading about the Hebrew alphabet Ayin : http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Ayin_EyesOfGod.asp

Is this an argument about slaugtering animals or humans.

ABOUT BEEF/CATTLE



Deuteronomy 11:15
And I will send grass in thy fields for thy cattle, that thou mayest eat and be full.




versus




Isaiah 40:7
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.



Sharing a prophecy a lady in Tennessee gave me . . .


August 21, 2003:
TELL BETTY TO CONTINUE ON HER PATH. SHE HAS BEEN CHOSEN AND SHE WILL KNOW WHEN THE GRASS ON THE MOUND BEGINS IT’S DECENT.



She sent me this recently, to let me know, that the grass on the
mound represents : people


These verses are from Chapter 40 of Isaiah.

40:6
The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:

40:7
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.

40:8
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.



Sharing what I sent back to her :


I consider, the 'knowing' of the 40th chapter, as the decent of the grass on the mound
beginning it's decent.

Decent date : 6/15/08 ( 06 + 1+ 5 + 20 + 08 = 40th chapter of Isaiah )

I wrote this on Father's Day, June 15th, 2008, as a tribute to my father. And indeed, this matches
also the beginning of decent, of the grass (people). The ' p ' is the purpose. The people are
the purpose. `Our service to mankind`.
People (P) fade, however, the Word of God (IHVH) is forever, Ain Sof. ( limitlessness )

http://biobettyculpepperclark.blogspot.com...-culpepper.html




Does this date June 15th mean anything to you ?

As in, your personal dreams or visions, or something in the family ?

This is the 3rd time I have been given messages related to June 15th :


1.
http://japanatomicsolarflares.blogspot.com/
* June 15th potential date [ year unknown ]


2.
http://6666lunareclipsejune152011.blogspot.com/
Lunar Eclipse of Saros 130 @ June 15th, 2011


3.
I consider, the 'knowing' of the 40th chapter, as the decent of the grass(people) on the mound
beginning it's decent.

Decent date : 6/15/08 ( 06 + 1+ 5 + 20 + 08 = 40th chapter of Isaiah ) Father's Day, 2008

See that's my point. It is easier to just stay in your caretakers pen until that day, oblivious to the reality of the situation.