Hello, this message goes to all those who shout Y***** out to the world on the rooftops and in every day life. What you are saying is not good, and is most likely blasphemy in the eyes of God. Jews even write out God as G-d on the internet to be safe from sin. Yet even Christian leaders, like Jack Van Imp yell out the sacred name to millions of people. These fools will surely be thrust through on the day of Judgment. Also, the sacred name isn't pronounced as such. "The secret counsel of the Lord is for those who fear Him." The penalty for blasphemy is death. How can one escape the laws of Torah and still live, all the while tempting God and despising His name?

Furthermore, the sacred name is considered Ineffable, meaning not to be said out loud. How then can people ignore this and be foolish enough to mock God to His face and still live afterwards?

How am I suppose to know his name if I am not allow to hear it?

Are you considering the fact that saying the sacred name of God out loud is wise, or somehow accepted by God? If you are, I will surely tell you that this it is a sin to speak the name of God out loud, but only in prayer may the name be uttered.

Hi Joseph,

Are you talking about God's name, YHWH? I believe you are. We are supposed to let His name be known to the world
and not to be hidden. Your mentality sure is supersticious and not biblical reasoning. Your reasoning was followed by many Christians too, and that's why His name YHWH is not written in most of the translation. That is not good, and it confuses readers.

Jack VanImpe certainly is not my leader... he talks so fast I doubt anyone can follow, lol.

Ye'shua is my leader.

Why is the pronunciation of God's Name considered to be 'blasphemy' - what Scriptures or Torah laws address this?

Why do you consider pronouncing the Divine Name to be "tempting God" and "despising His Name"? What Scriptures or Torah laws refer to this as a great sin?

I generally write God's Name as YHVH - do you consider that blasphemous too, since many might read it with the vowels... even if they do not read it aloud - is just thinking upon the Name of God considered blasphemous by Jews? Scripture says that God sees and approves 'those thinking upon His Name'.

This line of thinking seems, to me, to further distance God from His people, instead of drawing them closer with His all-encompassing love... Ye'shua is recorded as saying in prayer to his Heavenly Father, about his disciples, "I have made your Name known to them." He was a Jew, so if it had been blasphemous he would've made a distinct and direct statement saying so - it seems to me. Of course, we are saved from God's wrath by our faith in His Son, and by promoting his name - Jesus the Christ, or Ye'shua... and even his given name of EmmanuEL(God with us) contains the Divine Name.

No Christian wants to purposely take God's Name in vain or use it frivolously. We love Him and only want to praise Him - and His Great Name. At least that's the attitude of the Christians I've been involved with.
I've heard it argued that other gods'(false gods) names are recorded in the Scriptures, so why shouldn't the True God's Name be known. And so many Hebrew names include a portion of the Divine Name, 'yah'(jah) and 'el'. In many cases God personally chose their names, effectively naming His earthly servants after Himself.

This has always made me wonder - the why of it. If you would explain further the reasons you feel so strongly about it, Joseph, I would appreciate it very much - thanks!

w

Joseph, are you still here?

I would LOVE to have answers to the questions I posed in the previous post, if you would please?

- Wanting truth -
w

Gentiles need not worry or confuse themselves with the sacred pronunciation, they don't know it. However, slandering God's name is a major offense. And to think that someone is on the same level of God, and able to bring his name into public, is foolish and will be met with punishment swiftly.

You're cutting the arms of God short, Joseph. Through Abraham's seed many nations were planted - Israel is only one of them now. Jewish, Gentile - there's no difference in Christ. There exists only believers and unbelievers. God's people are those who love Him and follow His commands... then there's the rest of the world that couldn't care less about God or trying to please Him.

The God of Abraham is MY GOD. (there is no other!)

Genesis 17: 1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. 2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.” 3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying: 4 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.

w

It is like as i told my own child my name when asked, and if he or she than turns and address me with that name, when I didnt give the right to do so, this is my meaning.

You cant call out my name when I am to be addressed, Abba! You will feel my leading to do other-wise, but not befor it is time.

You don't know what the audio of God's name is. Things that are handed down from generation to generation get changed and corrupted. God is not going to judge anyone on a verbal utterance. You will be Judged on what you do. Follow, the way, the truth and the life and live. Or follow men and die.

So you're saying God is not a loving God?

God!
Yahweh!
Abba!
Allah!
Yeshua!

Oh nos, what now??

I agree with PeaceMaker when PeaceMaker said it is like or is rude for a child to call his mother by her 1st name, but I really don't see this to be the case with God.

Shouting Yahweh on my rooftop... Neal C.

I agree with you 'peacemaker'... well, not in the 'first person' way you write but that's beside the point. Jesus taught his disciples to pray to their and our Father in the Heavens. Yes, our spirits do cry out "Abba!" in recognition and agreement with His Spirit.

A friend of mine told me I MUST use the name 'Jehovah' when praying or speaking about God because "there are many gods".... to which I replied, "but there's only one true God - and He's the only One that has ears!" She uses what she thinks is God's name as a kind of mantra, using it exceedingly until it's commonplace in her language.

There is only one God - if our prayers are addressed to our Heavenly Father or to our wonderful and loving God - our prayers will be heard by Him.

And besides - isn't blasphemy speaking against God?

w

Joseph...The Lord just showed me some thing prophetically in answer to your post..

In fact! The answer is in your own post!

Here it is!

Though Shall Not Take My Name In Vain.

See Joseph...any man who

takes the Lord's name...

for him...

It will not be in vain.

This is his proclamation to you...for when we take his name our sin's are forgiven. The Old has passed away...The new has come.

His blood spilled

is our atoning covering.

May God bless you with this reality! In Jesus name!

He also said 'Those with ears let them hear.' He did not say 'I have spoken your name to them.' I think that the Name is not an audible sound. Adam and Eve did 'hear' the voice of God walking in the garden and they hid. You are directed to 'listen' to the public reading of the scriptures. Everybody keeps saying the tetragrammaton is the 'name' of God. It was Moses who said the tetragrammaton and wrote it down and I have yet to find a bible that has printed 'Yahweh' where Moses said it was 'Jehovah.' I am not a follower of Moses though, he was told by this God that he could not enter the promised land so following him would lead to water to drink, but no further.
We are told by the Christ that out of our own bellies will flow rivers of living water. And I don't think we have to have a stick to hit it with.
When Jesus asked Peter 'Whom do you say that I am?' was He asking 'What is my name?'
Well, I think you to go back to when Moses asked 'Whom shall I say sent me?' The answer Moses got was 'I am that I am. Tell him I AM sent you.'
Whom do I say that I am? Well, I say I am is the God that led the children of Israel out from the bondage of Egypt.
Top that, Peter!
We are also told that there are gods many and lords many, but to us there is one God who is Lord over all.
How would you take God's name in vain?
You walk around claiming the name Christian and you tell gossip on somebody, can you claim that Jesus said 'Any word spoken against the son of man will be forgiven' gives you the right to do it? Since we are all members of the body of Christ, I mean, it would, wouldn't it?
God is not bound to a name.
We are told 'What you bind on earth is bound in heaven and what you loose on earth is loosed in heaven.'
I think that being a member of some gang that glorified rape and murder and stealing and death is taking God's name in vain.
Being a terrorist is taking the name of God in vain. I mean Allah is supposed to be alive and going out and blowing yourself up is the opposite. Take a look at Buddha. I do not denigrate any religion, it is what the people have been forced to rely on.
God is Love. God is Light. God is Life.

gregg...

You're working through things out loud..Keep at it. You'll get there.

your argument Goes against the Word of God

the Lord himself told us that his name will be proclaimed from one end of heaven unto the other end of heaven.

the name you proclaimed is no longer in use unless you speak the true language of Hebrew, if YHWH IS HEBREW.

The gentiles proclaim the name of Jesus from america to russia, from west to east.

Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

it's not the name that is takien in vain, it is the diobedience to God's command that's taken in vain.

Mt 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Funny, but I just had this happen. In my priv. time with My Abba, "Abba" hebrew for Father. this name is only his, not one earthly dad I call this. So, it is very intament, and in my moment with him I call him that only! There has been maybe a handful of times that I called out his other names, and only when I feel him drawing me to. I have one moment, that I didnt when I know that I should have. That was the time my prayer wasnt anwsered.

I will point out another, this point is missing here. G-d, with everyone of use will hold us accountable for each and every careless word that we let pass our lips. See, we are made in his emage and as such we flow, by his spirit, and anointing and speek things into being. There is so much to the spoken word that I see other just dont get. We need to be careful in what we say, for the power of life and death are in the toung! If we look at all points of the word that touches what we say, when to say it, and the whys of all of it, we can see a picture.

Abba, help those that are beign lead here to have their eyes open to what their words do, open up the word to them so that they may see what you truely mean by this. You sweet Father didnt say dont say my name because you are hotty to up, no, not in anyway are you this way to your children, but that you are warning us that there is power there behind our words, your sweet names being one of them. In Jesus name, amen!

I will point this out to those that didnt under stand why I wrote this in, what first person thingy that was said....

I was reading an started hearing this being said to me. I dont feel conterble writeing, but again, it isnt a dayly thing that I hear G-d speek either. I wrote only what I hard. I have confermation about this with my own child. I put it here, and leave it for others. Sorry if I did a bad job writing it out, or for bad spelling, but this was the best I could do.

Hugs!

Wow! Is'nt this a reversal of the sacred name salvation!
How many here are practicing Kabbalists?
The Tetragrammaton YHVH is the name of Yah (Psalm 68 or JAH in the King James bible) No J's until the sixteenth century so we can have another sacred domination fest.

If someone asked me who I was I would tell him such and such the son of such and such.
I got to use the name sometime or no matter how much I play the mystic I wont get recognized, because simply people are not interested who I am but rather who he is. He is my "abba" but he is not every mans "abba" and neither is he every man's Yahovah or Yehovah, Yehuda, or Yawa, or Yahweh!
I use the Hebrew rendering of Psalm 68 because I wish to not lend any confusion as to whom exactly I am referring. Namely the Baptists, Methodists, etc. They use "God" too. I am not a Greek Basher, But unto the Hebrews were the Oracles committed.
I am also willing to go on to judgment for it as well.

You see all you have to do is permutate a letter here and there in the mind (22 permutations to be exact) and you can begin to ascend the sephiroth to the place or sphere where you will not be struck dead for daring to say the name out loud.
David ate the bread that was forbidden to any other than the priests and their family. He did not melt in the presence of such holy articles so what was his secret?
Some here are very right in that many use his name as if Yah was one of the wino's downtown.
The High Priest would only utter it once a year and that on the Day of Atonement. And nobody here is the high Priest.
Yet some here all together more superstitious than the Greeks ever had an idol to set up of their own.

Religion!
No wonder eveybody is so full of idolatry and condemnation today.

Look at the quality of the ministry!

That doesn't mean it's the correct Hebrew pronunciation of the Name, and , imho, it can't be. Correct me if I'm wrong, please - in my reseach I've learned that the English letter 'J' didn't come into existence until about 700 years ago. Which makes my imagination run wild... 'Jesus' never heard his named uttered as such - he was 'Yehoshua' (and dif. spelling abound there) - which in English translates more closely to 'Joshua'. 'Jesus' is the Greek translation/pronunciation of Messiah's given name, which speaks more of their god Zeus than of the Hebrew God Yah. Jews still speak Hebrew of course, but they don't ennunciate 'j's' - Benjamin is 'Benyamin' because there is no 'J' sound in the Hebrew language. We who read English have it translated into an English version, replete with English alphabet 'j's'. Think of the word 'hallelujah' (which means "praise Yah"- what sound does the 'j' make? HALLELU-YAH!



That's the absolute truth, ozell! It seems the Israelites knew and worshipped the Almighty God even before they knew His Name - they just believed. And it doesn't matter, for the time being, that we don't know it all - the world is shown the One Saviour by his followers actions. Not our knowledge and self-proclaimed piety - our words put into action is what they witness.

Let's all be vigilant to act in accordance with our hearts towards our God, our Father, unto Whom we are reconciled through His One and Only Son Ye'shua, Jesus the Christ!

It's a light we can't hide even if we wanted, lol.

Peace to you all in his wonderful name -

Phillipians 2:1 If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. 4 Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others....
9 God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
12 Therefore, my dear friends, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
14 Do everything without complaining or arguing, 15 so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe 16 as you hold out the word of life—

w

ps- was posting the same time as you, 'raysondawn' - sorry to repeat some things.

Wilda
Must be the same spirit that raised Yeshua (Jesus) from the dead.

JES, that's right! You know, there is a world full of prophets and teachers and what did Yesus say? 'Many will come in my name and say I AM, but do not go after them!'
All the translations add the word He to that verse, even the verse where Jesus was arrested in the garden and the centurion was asked by Jesus 'Whom do you seek?' and the centurion answered 'Jesus,' Jesus answered 'I AM.'
That is a long finger pointing back to Exodus 3:14 and READ THE NEXT VERSE VERY CAREFULLY AND SLOWLY AND LET IT SINK IN.

Ex. 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER, AND THIS IS MY MEMORIAL UNTO ALL GENERATIONS.
(The capitals do not mean I'm yelling.)

The end-note in my Zondervan Bible says:

3:14 The phrase 'I AM' in Hebrew is closely related to God's personal name (Ex. 6:4; Jehovah of Yahweh or YHWH) which occurs more than 6,000 times in the Old Testament. Though the meaning is not completely clear to biblical scholars, it seems to suggest the timelessness of God, the very foundation of all existence. Perhaps there is a hint of this in Rev. 1:4, 'from Him which is, and which was, and which is to come.' Jesus probably alluded to this in Jn. 8:58, 'Before Abraham was, I AM.' Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Heb. 13:8).

All the preachers who are yelling the personal name of God are probably thinking that they are spreading some seed, I don't know; but vanity does not come by hearing, faith does.

This is from the e-sword hebrew dictionary:

H3068
יהוה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

H1961
היה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

H3050
יהּ
yâhh
yaw
Contracted for H3068, and meaning the same; Jah, the sacred name: - Jah, the Lord, most vehement. Cp. names in “-iah,” “-jah.”

H3069
יהוה
yehôvih
yeh-ho-vee'
A variation of H3068 (used after H136, and pronounced by Jews as H430, in order to prevent the repetition of the same sound, since they elsewhere pronounce H3068 as H136): - God.

H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhîym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.


H136
אדני
'ădônây
ad-o-noy'
An emphatic form of H113; the Lord (used as a proper name of God only): - (my) Lord.

H113
אדן אדון
'âdôn 'âdôn
aw-done', aw-done'
From an unused root (meaning to rule); sovereign, that is, controller (human or divine): - lord, master, owner. Compare also names beginning with “Adoni-”.


H3068
יהוה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

When any preacher starts yelling 'I AM,' you better start running!

You see, according to the bible, Israel is a nation and a company of nations (Gen. 35:11) and the name Jehovah is the Jewish national name. But, the name Yahweh, I don't think, has enough letters in it. There is no close Hebrew word but Yahh; there is no 'weh,' I don't think.
I have always thought the name Yahweh came from the description of the god of the volcano which may have come about through the golden calf made by Aaron, the priest, that the children of Israel started worshipping before Moses came down the mountain.

Now, the golden calf is another story. The golden calf was formed by all of the golden jewelry that all of the people were wearing and Aaron, the priest, probably melted down the jewelry using the lava that flowed down the mountain.

? Can you say 'Yew' for 'Jew'.

God's name to the Israelites was El Shadday - 'Almighty God.' That was his name. Moses is the one who asked Him 'Whom shall I say sent me.' So, the name Jehovah was the name given by Moses; Moses interpreted it that way. But, the name 'I AM' is off the mark also. When anybody came up with a word, they had to figure out what they were looking at. How do you describe 'the self-existent one?'

Jesus - Yehoshua, Joshua, Iesous, EmmanuEl - is the 'self-existent one.' Spelled Emmanuel wrong though. It is Emmanouel.

G1694
Ἐμμανουήλ
Emmanouēl
em-man-oo-ale'
Of Hebrew origin [H6005]; God with us; Emmanuel, a name of Christ: - Emmanuel.

H6005
עמּנוּאל
‛immânû'êl
im-maw-noo-ale'
From H5973 and H410 with suffix pronoun inserted; with us (is) God; Immanuel, a name of Isaiah’s son: - Immanuel.

There is an idiom among great sages when they come to disclose a profound matter: they begin their words with, “I am disclosing a portion and covering two portions.” Our sages took great care not to utter words needlessly, as our sages instructed, “A word is a rock; silence is two.”

This means that if you have a priceless word, whose worth is one rock, know that not saying it is worth two rocks. This refers to those uttering needless words without pertinent content and use except to decorate the tongue in the eyes of the beholders. This was strictly forbidden in the eyes of our sages, as is known to those who examine their words. Hence, we must be attentive to understand this common idiom of theirs.


There are three parts to the secrets of the Torah. Each part has its own reason for being concealed. They are called by the following names:

1. Unnecessary;
2. Impossible;
3. The counsel of the Lord is with them that fear Him.

There is not a single fraction in this wisdom where scrutinies of these three parts do not apply, and I will clarify them one at a time.

1. Unnecessary

This means that no benefit will stem from its disclosing. Of course, this is not such a great loss because there is only the issue of the cleanness of the mind here, to warn of those actions defined as “so what,” meaning so what if I did this, there is no harm in it.

But you should know that, in the eyes of the sages, “so what” is considered the worst corruptor. After all, all the destructors in the world, those that have been and those that will be, are the “so what” kind of people. This means that they occupy themselves and others in needless things. Hence, sages would not accept any student before they were certain that he would be cautious in his ways, to not reveal what was not necessary.

2. Impossible

This means that the language does not compel them to say anything of their quality, due to their great sublimity and spirituality. Hence, any attempt to clothe them in words may only mislead the examiners and deflect them to a false path, which is considered the worst of all iniquities. Therefore, to reveal anything in these maters, permission from Above is required. This is the second part of the concealment of the wisdom.

3. The Counsel of the Lord Is with Them that Fear Him

This means that the secrets of the Torah are revealed only to those who fear His Name, who keep His Glory with their heart and soul, and who never commit any blasphemy. This is the third part in the concealment of the wisdom.

This part in the concealment is the strictest because this kind of disclosure has failed many. From the midst of those stem all the charmers, whisperers, who hunt souls with their cunningness, and the mystics, who use withered wisdom that came from under the hands of students without merit, to draw physical benefit for themselves or for others. The world has suffered much from it and is suffering still.

1Ki 18:24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.

I learned something there andy.

Praise God, the truth is always far more simple than all the reasonings of men.

While some will fight on God's name and some will tell you , you have to spell it in a certain way, or leave out a letter, or not say it at all, God knew all this would happen and left us a simple solution:

Jer 3:19 But I said, How I will put thee among the children, and give thee a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of the nations! and I said, Ye shall call me My Father, and shall not turn away from following me.

Simple and beautiful and true.

Father................

love C

Amen BibleScholar

Add your post with C's. Then ask your "Father" in heaven to to take care of this misunderstanding by fire. The sound without the proper understanding, faith and meaning is nothing. It is the understanding, faith and meaning behind the sound that is everything.

The meaning of the word "name" (both in Greek and Hebrew) means Nature, Character and Authority.

So its saying, do not take my nature, character and authority in vain.

Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name ( Character and Authority.) of Jehovah thy God in vain; for Jehovah will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name ( Character and Authority.) in vain.

H8034
שׁם
shêm
shame
A primitive word (perhaps rather from H7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position; compare H8064); an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character: - + base, [in-] fame [-ous], name (-d), renown, report.

G3686
ὄνομα
onoma
on'-om-ah
From a presumed derivative of the base of G1097 (compare G3685); a “name” (literally or figuratively), (authority, character): - called, (+ sur-) name (-d).

So in the Bible "name " does not mean "name" as we understand it to be in English. Its in reality WHO this person is. His character and his authority.

That is also why God tells us to call Him Father, because that is what He is to His children. He is our Father in his nature, His character and His authority.

C

me too