John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

7. Then said Jesus unto them again, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

12. But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd,whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

16. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be one fold, and one Shepherd.

19. There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

25. Jesus answered them, "I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me.

26. But ye believe not, because ye are not of My sheep, as I said unto you.

27. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me:

Who are these "Jews" that are not of His sheep? Who are these that are robbers and thieves because they try to enter through another door....not through Christ? We know that others...not of His fold (gentiles) will hear His voice and shall be one with His other sheep. It appears there are wolves in sheep's clothing (or men in Jews clothing) trying to gain entry into His sheepfold to "catcheth and scattereth the sheep." Who are they and how can they be "Jews?"


When Christ said...."ye are not of My sheep" when He was speaking to the Jews...what did He mean? Are not the Jews part of God's chosen people? Are not the Jews part of His family? He was of the physical lineage of Judah and Levi. How could the Jews supposedly of His physical lineage not be part of His sheep when the gentiles, not of His physical lineage, hear His voice and become part of the family?

This same group of "Jews" were in the Temple where Christ told them....I go My way, and ye shall seek Me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come."[John 8:21]

John 8:23 And He said unto them, "Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

33. They answered Him, "We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, 'Ye shall be made free?'"

We know that those of Abraham...through Isaac, those from whom the seed is called [Gen.21:12], were in bondage. Moses brought them, those of the true seed, out of the bondage of Egypt. So, although Abraham may have been their father...they were not those through whom the seed would be called.

When God changed Abram's name to Abraham He made a covenant with him and said..."As for Me, behold, My covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations." [Gen.17:4] So, these "Jews" were of the nations of which Abraham was a father...but they were not of the seed called. How could they then be in the Temple, saying they are Jews?

37. I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill Me, because My word hath no place in you.

38. I speak that which I have seen with My Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father." Jesus saith unto them, "If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Who is the other father? The next verse tells us.

44. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


47. He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

So, these "Jews" who are not true Jews are those that crucified Christ. They are of their father the devil and they do his works...and do it quite well! Jesus wants us to know and understand who these people are for they are with us today. The only two churches of the seven that He approved of were Smyrna and Philadelphia. The thing they had in common was they taught who these "Jews" are:

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty (but thou art rich), and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

This should be a "hot" topic, lol. I think the "fake" would have to do with the spirit(s) that is/are inside of certain people who would call themselves "jews" of both the flesh type and and the spiritual. But, I'm sure it will be much deeper than that lol.

hi~

the scribes & pharisees & their successors to this day are not of the LORD's sheep, for the LORD knows well what allegiance they have sworn themselves to. the "tradition of the Elders" is neither the Torah nor the Tanakh - in the public eye, the pharisees claim to keep the Commandments of God when they -in truth- did not; however in secret, they serve the devil & sacrifice offerings to the devil's idolatry & commit abominations against the most Holy God in heaven.

the star of Moloch is a dead giveaway.

since the days of the fall, the emnity between the fruit of life vs the fruit of the knowledge of good & evil is still in effect, even to this day.

~levite-7

The answer is in the text. There are believers and non believers....and of course future believers and future non believers.

26. But ye believe not, because ye are not of My sheep, as I said unto you.

Nothing all that difficult to discern because He provides the answer.

Revelation 2:9 is not addressing Jews of national or race identity but of both natural and grafted in trees/branches.

They are worshipping a god who is not a God of Love. They instead have become harsh discerners of apostacy, meaning they have let hate enter into their body. Instead of discerning and learning, they discern and become more base by blaming all the time rather than enduring and teaching and loving.

They spend too much time on who is not rather than who is which is edifiying the body. The body is to discern that which isn't true, not become overly concerned with it because it's everywhere and push forward to the high calling in Christ Jesus.

Anyway, it's all about sheep and getting rid of the wolf nature...which means endurance, patience, love which are the principals of Christ Jesus who endured when He was loved by few.

And , again, there are "two" folds

IN Christ

If Messiah-rejecting Jews are "fake" Jews, as you say, than conversely, unbelieving Gentiles are "fake" Gentiles, right?

Or are only Jews privilaged with this stripping of their identity, while Gentiles are free to remain Gentiles whether they believe or not?

And if there are "fake" Jews, than what are they? Gentiles?

John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him, When he spaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

YOU SHOULD KNOW WHO THE DEVIL IS; BUT JUST IN CASE YOU DONT ITS SATAN???

Jesus is telling these Kenites that there father is the devil, who is also called Satan, the dragon, or any of his other names that Satan has because of the roles he has played........ But hes not saying it because of what they believe only, they are literally descendents of the Devil and Cain.........Jesus is telling these Kenites that the lust, and murder in your heart is inborn from your father Satan, and you are driven in your spirit to do murder because Satan is your father.(literally)........

This is why Jesus could not be speaking to the brethren of the house of Judah, for their lineage is not of Satan, this is what the plan of God is all about,,,, keeping the pure lineage that the coming Messiah would be born from.Jesus is making it simple, now who was the murderer from the beginning? Most small children could answer that, it was Cain. Genesis 4:8; "And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, And slew him." Cain was a murderer from, or in the beginning.

Jesus is telling it just as it is, The "Kenites" are the children [offspring by lineage] of the devil, through Cain. Jesus identified both Satan, and Cain as being their father. So why is it any secret that they would try to murder Christ, they are just like their fathers Cain and Satan.

I Chronicles 2:55; "And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez [Jerusalem]; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

The lineage of Rechab is not of Israel, and those men standing before Jesus here are the offspring of the Rechab not Jacob or Judah. The duties of the scribes and the priests had been taken over in Babylon, some five centuries prior to Christ birth........ ITs important to know the lineages I suggest you learn.....

Ask the Lord

There are Gentiles claiming christianity who purport to be "Israelites"

But are actually following the devil's teaching

It is called replacement theology

This the Lord hates

[Revelation 2:9; 3:9]

http://www.adl.org/issue_combating_hate/10...mist_online.asp

http://www.cyberhate.be/?locale=en

Yes, it is.

http://www.adl.org/issue_combating_hate/10...mist_online.asp

http://www.cyberhate.be/?locale=en

Is it as He said...they believe not because they aren't His sheep, or is it as you suggest...they aren't His sheep because they don't believe?





Where is that written? These were Jews in the Temple. These were Jews that said their father was Abraham.





Thank you for your reply....I believe it is more than that. We are all in that position...getting rid of our old nature. This is more.

They were "fake Jews" before they crucified Christ, before they were "Messiah-rejecting Jews."


Unbelieving gentiles are still gentiles...unless of course, they profess to be Christian. Then they would be....fake Christians, not fake gentiles.




The Jews "that say they are and are not" are of the "synagogue of Satan." [Rev.2:9] That doesn't make them a gentile but answers the question of......who's you're daddy?

Hi Stephen,


You see Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 as replacement theology? You see it as the "devil's teaching" when they are the words of Christ telling us ....I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan"???

Where is the synagogue of Satan at?

Oh. It is a figure of speech.

Maybe Anton Levey was leading a synagogue in one of his past lives. That was the secret synogogue of Satan...

Or...............

Maybe those "who say they are Jews but are not" is also symbolic language.

Maybe it is saying that, though these people were Jewish, they were spiritually acting like demons. They were using their religion to oppose the gospel and God's kingdom with aggression.

Maybe it is not about whether or not these people were Jewish or not. Maybe it is about the fact that they were attacking the church, in the name of the very God of that church! God would one day bring about justice and these people would be humbled before the very church that they were so freely assaulting in their lifetime. God definitely was taking not and would vindicate his people in the end. It would be the same as saying that, in the middle ages, the Roman Christians were calling themselves Christians but they were not because they were persecuting and killing everyone who did not bow down in fear before them. It is a cultural title that did not have a reality being lived up to in the spiritual side of things. Jesus was not making a plug for any sort of replacememnt theology in that verse. You are making a mountain out of a molehill for sure.

It would be better to altogether avoid using the term "fake Jew." The Jews have suffered a lot from anti-semites, many of these being "Christians" ones, similar to ourselves. Terms like "fake Jew" are not at all going to bring anything good or any healing to the Jewish people and their relationship with the Christian church and the gospel. Whatever you even may mean by terms like that, I strongly urge you to reconsider the destructive potential of those sort of words. Find other more respectful and sensative way of saying things.

A Jew is a Jew. No matter what they do or do not believe. Whether or not a Jew is truely living up to their title, "Praise," is a spiritual and personal issue between a Jewish individual and God. I know that I have not always exibited a truly "Christian" example in my life and actions. I would not appreciate others saying that I am a "fake Christian." Neither would any believer. Usually, if a Jewish person puts faith in Yeshua, they are tagged as traitors, apostate, or becoming "fake" Jews by many members of their Jewish families and communities. Lets not add to the suffering of others.

Your missing the beat -----no matter what you believe that will not change the blood that runs threw your veins....
WW is point ng out that those who said they were jews were not because the sperma that created them was not from Adam but was from Cain.

Same place as God's synagogue, or, temple.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Some just have the wrong spirit in their synagogue, lol.

Wherever a congregation of Satan lovers, believers, worshippers, etc. hang out.






Could be...but I don't think so.




No, Christ tells us the opposite. He tells us that they ARE NOT JEWISH but say they are.






No one is suggesting any "replacement theology." I am saying that they were NOT JEWS but said they were.





Quite the opposite Eliyahu. For too long our brother Judah (the Jews) have had abuse piled on them because they have been falsely accused of the crucifixion of Christ. It was not they but those that "say they are Jews and are not"....the FAKE JEWS, that killed our Saviour. Perhaps if our Christian churches had taught this truth there would not have been the persecution you are speaking of.





Please reread the post. I gave you the words of our Saviour. It is He that tells us....they are not Jews. Let's not add to the Biblical ignorance of others but rather enlighten them.

Vacant and I have thuroughly refuted this notion on other threads.

You apparenently missed the beat of what I was saying. Your above statement about "blood in the veins" can be taken as quite inflamatory to many people. "Do not let your good be spoken of as evil."

You believe the same demonic vomit that the Christian Identity/Aryan nation movement assalts the church and the Jewish people with. I despise that venom. I have experienced the hot, stench filled hatered of this junk being personally breathed upon me by members of that cult. It is not fun trying to discuss and debate with Neo Nazis, in their apartment, while they repeatedly try to passionately debunk the gospel and incite murderous hate toward Jews. Beinng an ex Neo Nazi myself, I understand how violent this spirit is. I am not the biggest guy around. This Neo was a cement laborer with all kinds of Nazi tattoos, muscles and alchohol everywhere around the smoke filled room. Having tried to kill people years before because of these same type of beliefs, I had a healthy repect for the blind hatred that this man and my present family member had in their hearts.

You cannot reason with a spirit of error. Anti-Semitism is the worst kind of demon. It is more Satanic than any kind of Satanism or black magic.

Your take on these issues is dangerously akin to the occult and Nazi styled religious beliefs. These ideas of yours are from the same source. When you study Nazi ideology, White supremacist beliefs, Islam, the holocaust and the history between the "church" and the Jewish people, you will be tremendously sobered to the reality of the historic spiritual struggle happenning. The ant-semitic spirit is alive, well and growing in this time. You need to humble yourself before God, get away from these false cavalier teachers and their teachings, and re-evaluate your view of God's covenant with Abraham. It will be a great esperience of loss if, assuming that you are saved on the day of judgement, you are shown how utterly destructive and wateful your "seed of Cain" teachings were to your own life and the lives of others in the point in history God has chosen for you to live in. Please, I heartfully urge you to re-evalutate this and redeem the time.

I am so eternally grateful that I did.

If I did not, I would most likely be dead or in prison by this point.

No, this passage was talking about that particular city's "synagogue," not Wherever a congregation of Satan lovers, believers, worshippers, etc. hang out.

That is replacement theology there, FYI.
Excusing the Jewish people from deicide by saying that they are "fake Jews" and that the "fake Jews" really had Jesus crucified is blatant and inciteful ant-semitism at its worst! You are saying that the Jewish people, 98% of whome do not accept Yeshua as Messiah, are really "fake Jews" and are of the same group that had Yesua crucified. You are simply renaming these people with a demeaning name and adding this to your charge of deicide. You say that the real Jews did not crucify Yeshuam all these imposters did! Don't you see?

I contextualized the words of the savior. I know that he is pleased with this.

Actually....you have refuted nothing. Please quote any place you have seen any anti-semitic remark of any kind, anywhere.....you won't find it. It does not exist.


I am so happy you are out of that environment....what a terrible experience that must have been.

Thank you WW. I am also grateful to be counted among you as a brother also.

The SOns of God 2 thread. The angels and human thread.

"Where is the synagogue of Satan at?"

The Lord is branding Gentiles of the church who say they are Jews and are not as those who follow Satan's lies. There are a number of "christian" organizations and cults who do this very thing and teach others to do the same. The Lord calls them "synagogues" of Satan. Satan is behind the curtain preaching and teaching falsehood through false prophets and false teachers in these organizations. Much of this behavior is quite subtle and mixed with various Biblical truths for creating deception and error. The motives are legion.

Believing Jews are obviously ethnic Israelites. Gentiles who claim to be national Israelites are not. The Gentiles who make this false claim boast against the natural branches just as Paul taught. There are many today who refuse to recognize national Israel as part of the Lord's future plan and purpose for the nation and they mix national Israel with the church by scriptural interpretation in error and direct refutation in order to eliminate His objectives in their thinking. They want to replace national Israel and insert themselves into the prophetic picture presented for national Israel when they are not. Examples are the SDA, the JWs, the Mormans, the RCC, those who teach British/Israelism, and most of the latter rain manifestation "christian cults". The Lord will not tolerate this behavior. Caution to those who do it.

And where did Cain's blood come from?
The word only speaks of two types of people
the natural bloodline of Adam
and the new man who is born from above in Christ.

That's why Jesus said "everyone who is angry at his brother is a murderer."
And in 1 John- who does not love his brethren (fellow believers) is a murderer.

Why? Because that lack of love murders their spirit man as they rise up in anger and self defense.

let us not be stumbling blocks to our brethren.

Jesus said "woe" to us if we do that.

If we are in Christ- we are loving our brethren.

A Christian who is not abiding in Christ has a much worse situation.

I trust the Lord will give spiritual eyes to see the true love believers in Christ have for ALL of the brethren , Jew and Gentile
and discern between truth and error.

And where did Cain's blood come from?
The word only speaks of two types of people
the natural bloodline of Adam
and the new man who is born from above in Christ.

Exactly. It is not a genetic or racial issue at all, ultimately. In our bodies, we are male or female, Jew or Gentile. In our spirits we are either children of God or children of Satan.

I disagree. This is in Revelation....the revealing if what will be.





In a sense you are right..it is not what is commonly thought of as "replacement theology" but they are there in the place of true Jews.





No, I am not saying that at all. This has nothing to do with a Jewish person believing in the Messiah. This has to do with the FAKE JEWS crucifying our Saviour and allowing the true Jews to take the blame. The 98% that don't believe are not the "fake Jews."


Eliyahu, please get over the feeling that anyone is being anti-semitic. I am not. Read the post and consider the thoughts presented without tagging it anti-semitic. Please see it for what it is.







I gave you His Words....I know He is pleased with that.

I disagree. This is in Revelation....the revealing if what will be.





In a sense you are right..it is not what is commonly thought of as "replacement theology" but they are there in the place of true Jews.





No, I am not saying that at all. This has nothing to do with a Jewish person believing in the Messiah. This has to do with the FAKE JEWS crucifying our Saviour and allowing the true Jews to take the blame. The 98% that don't believe are not the "fake Jews."


Eliyahu, please get over the feeling that anyone is being anti-semitic. I am not. Read the post and consider the thoughts presented without tagging it anti-semitic. Please see it for what it is.







I gave you His Words....I know He is pleased with that.

I said Cain so this topic would stay on subject and not curve off....

But to answer your question Satan had sex with Eve and Cain was born --where do you think his blood came from????

The word only speaks of two type of people???? You gotta be kidding what bible are you reading from????

The word is so much deeper then these few words you posted I suggest you start looking at more then just the surface...

You can't pull a verse out of context and understand it. The context is the CHURCH of Ephesus.
The church was in a gentile nation and had, most likely, both gentile and jewish believers.
Therefore the verse is addressing the CHURCH and a specific type of CHURCH.

Rev 2:1 ¶ Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;


Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:


Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.


Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have [somewhat] against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.


Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.


Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.


Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

GOD first praises them for identifying false apostle and later Nicolaitans.

He Admonishes them for no longer seeking Him.

Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have [somewhat] against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

So, the specific admonishment is about LOVE. He says they lack LOVE but they sure are good at identifying others that are fakes, eventhough they lack LOVE of Him who called them and probably even among themselves.

They have become finger pointers and have stopped looking at themselves and learning to LOVE.

The work hard and He likes this, but they are lacking because they don't love Him and put Him first so they are identifying with being judges not those who have escaped judgement.

No, it speaks of more types than that.





Yes, I agree but this has nothing to do with loving a brother or being a stumbling block.





Those Christ was speaking of, those "that say they are Jews and are not," are, in His Words....blasphemous and are of the "synagogue of Satan." Those are not my words...They are His.

Thank you Patmos but my post isn't about each individual item He did or didn't approve of. It is about the two churches that had His complete approval...Smyrna and Philadelphia and what those two churches had in common.


Their commonality is what they taught.....I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan (Smyrna - Rev. 2:9).....Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; (Philadelphia - Rev. 3:9)


He that hath an ear, let him hear what the spirit saith unto the churches. [Rev. 3:22]

You can push that nonsense all you want to but ,,I already told you what you need to know, but since your light isnt to bright I will say it again in a different manner...

Pathner I was born in West Oakland, Ca you walk down any street and bring up the word KKK you get knocked out maybe worse... White supremacist beliefs huh????? HOMEY that killed millions out of my generation .

Im glad you came out your situation but go do some reasearch on west oakland in the 80's brah....

Now you eather feel me or u dont

Now all im saying is Jesus was most likely,,,,,,,,but definitely close to the color of Adam.... Or doe you think the bloodline of Christ mixed???? I dont.....

So what color was Adam????

119 'adam aw-dam' to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:--be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).

this is from the strongs concordance not me.......Do you think you and vacant are better qualified to give us our definitions????????

But what does it matter Christ was a Jew,,,,,You think I dont like Jews??? My Lord was a Jew... Straight up I dont care what color or race Christ was,,,,Im going to love him and follow the rules to the best of my ability....

What color is ruddy???? Is it important??? Well in many ways it is...... therefore you should find out.....

NM,
The Devil having sex with Eve is not in the Word b/c the enemy didn't need to do that in
order to corrupt the nature of man- through their lusts.
Why did Eve eat? She was drawn away and enticed by the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life.
The apple looked good, it was pleasant for knowledge etc...all three.

The devil is a spirit- he wants to corrupt our spirits. When we obey him- through sin- He then rules us.
That is why he is called "the god of this world."
You serve whom you obey, the Word says.

Have you noticed that a lot of times kids are like their parents? Like alcholism is passed down, or anger, or other traits?
That's because the sins of the parents are passed down to the 3rd and 4th generation.

But when we are reborn in Christ spiritually (John 3) , his blood overcomes that old nature and all of the curse our parents, and grandparents have passed on to us.
Whatever is it- maybe allergies, physical probs, emotional issues, addictions- In Christ we are set free.. Whom the Son sets free is free indeed.

When we understand that we were made free from sin at the cross, and Jesus took our pain, sicknesses, and problems on him. (Romans 7 and 8)

Then we can be set free of ALL of the stuff that comes down in our natural genetic bloodline, by grace (not works of self righteousness)

People have been healed of many things by receiving and believing this wonderful truth- and we see (by faith- believing what God says)
Jesus Christ living in us, not ourselves anymore. Then He will live through us and we will live and minister like He did, in God's power.
Not because we are more special or self righteous than other people, but by God's power (in our weakness) doing this.

This is why Jesus came- to destroy the works of the devil. The devil did not need to procreate with people
in order to rule the spirits of people. Adam did that by simply denying the Word of God (Did God really say...) He fell under the curse of death.
Having one son murdered and one son be a murdered and banished was part of the fruit of sin in Adam...just like when we sin, we reap death and so
do others.

That is why Jesus died to free us from that death and curse that the whole world is under.

That mean: He literally takes away the curses and problems that would seem normal to the world, like things we inherit from our parents, and saves us in everything.

Do a word search on the word "sozo" in the NT- see how it is used.

It is by grace you are saved ( the Greek word- means many things including: set free, made whole, delivered, provided for) through faith ( you believe what the Word promises you no matter what
you see). It is a gift of God so no man can boast.

Does that make sense?

All of our bloodlines are corrupted, fallen, and deserving God's judgment. Only in Christ is there any hope of escape, like eating the lamb during the passover.
This is why its is really amazing Good News- Jesus Christ set us free from sin and the penalty of sin. It no longer rules in me. People have been healed from many genetic things and saved of every
type of problem you can imagine by seeing this in the Word.

I was born in Inglewood...

Ruddy would be white, or, red. So, Jesus might have been either... Irish, or, an Indian. Lol. (No, I know he was a Jew ) But, ruddy would most likely be white I believe.

I went to a KISS concert in Oakland once. Bunch a skeered white boys walkin' thru tha fenced off prah-jecs, lol. Talk about bein' outta place, lol.

But, brothers and sisters in Christ are of all colors and races. The love of Christ and the Spirit is the ultimate bond. We're all one in Him.

hey blessedinva it would be to long of a post to point out some things that I believe might change your mind on this...
But one thing we can do is find out whether this "tree of knowledge" is a literal tree or a person/being that is being described as a tree...

Have no doubts in your mind that this is a person not a actual tree,,,

so what do you believe do you think this is a literal tree????

I always thought that to maybe he was a reddish color, but I just kept on digging and ruddy really means to "be able" to show blood in the face.... Well I have friends of all races and alot of them when they get embarrassed or they blush there cheeks turn red, we both know what color that is,,,,, most would call it white....

Was it His Spirit that was crucified by "those that say they are Jews and do lie?"


Thank you for the scripture. I understand and agree with it but I don't believe it pertains to this particular post. As we are presently in this flesh body...even if it "profiteth nothing" in the overall scheme of things, we must still consider those in the flesh as the spirits we contend with are still......encased in the flesh.

We contend with the flesh? Or do we contend with a spirit within the flesh. The love of the temporal is against the eternal work of God. That is the issue. Which is greater, a circumcision made with hands, or a circumcision by the hand of God Himself in the Spirit?

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John

We are in this flesh life so we contend with the flesh that contains the spirit. They are not yet separated. When we are just spirit we can contend with just spirit but now....we must also contend with flesh.


So, to me, your speaking of circumcision has no bearing on this post. The post is about what we presently face. What Christ warned us of....the "thieves and robbers" that try to steal His sheep [John 10:8] and those that "say they are Jews and are not but do lie." They are here in the flesh and that flesh contains an evil spirit.


When Christ spoke of the "fake Jews" in Revelation He added.....He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. [Rev.2:29] He warned that some would be cast into prison [Rev.2:10]. Those that are will be cast into prison...in the flesh.

That's it.

I will tell you what I think of the people who are like this: you walk down any street and bring up the word KKK you get knocked out maybe worse.

I think that anyone who is like that is a bigot and they are stupid, end of story! If a man brings up a word, any word, and he gets violently assaulted for simply mentioning a word like "KKK," the people in that neighborhood are bigots who need to repent severely. I promise you that if a man is attacked for saying the word "KKK," he is a man of another race than the locals. Who is the racist there? A lot of people read about the Nazis and the KKK, etc, because they want to learn from history and they want to prevent similar evils from happening again. It is called being educated and informed.

I am sorry about all the evils that your generation has experienced from racists people, OK? But guess what, racism can come from any race to any other race. Your race is absolutely not a special exeption. Your words here are a perfect case in point! I have experienced my fair share of racism against me numerous times over the years. I live in the inner city of a very segregated city. I need not give examples. It is a painful thing to have to deal with. I understand this too, you know.

But I am by no means guilty of racism for