10"You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth."
Now in rev.4 we see that the elders had cast thier crowns(rewards)
and then as you can see,a multitude of people in heaven.These people in heaven, whom have been made to be a kingdom and priests,state..." Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation".....Here we have a group of people already in heaven, before the first seal was ever broken.This group of people are represented as a sea of glass like cystal.It is obvious that the 24 elders are very much aware of this group in heaven.and again I want to point out that this group shall reign as kings and priests on the Earth with Jesus Christ.This group of people here are those who were caught up prior to the opening of the first of many seals.

.....................................................benny

We have already been translated in the kingdom of His dear son.

We already sit in the heavenlies with Christ.

people believe in a physical translation, ok, but there is also a translation for our souls our "spiritual body".

Remember God is a Spirit...

MMarc,


Being seated in the heavenly places with Christ is NOT the same thing as actually being in Heaven.

"We have already been translated in the kingdom of His dear son"

>Not true

>The event is still future and will take place just before the Lord brings His coming judgment

"I want to point out that this group shall reign as kings and priests on the Earth with Jesus Christ.This group of people here are those who were caught up prior to the opening of the first of many seals."

>This is a Biblical fact

>There is no valid refutation against it in scripture

>The Lord confirms [Revelation 3:10; 18:4]

Tell taht to Paul

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

The judgement of God began 7 years ago...

I know it's not easy for the carnal to discern the spiritual, but mortality (flesh) cannot inherit immortality only our soul can.

How hard is it for people to grasp something so easy, that even a child could understand.

Again please explain why saints throughout the world are going through tribulations now and are not translated physically into heaven...