Many people believe that upon a person's death, time stops. I disagree with that assertion and here is why...

Consider this if you will. Only God is omnipresent, meaning being everywhere at the same time. Time has a purpose and IS a necessity for created beings, therefore time will continue to exist as long as created beings exist. Time is like a capsule keeping the created thing within it's own bounds.

That's not to say that our perception of time can't change...but I don't believe that time itself will stop. Thoughts anyone?

Time is a creation of God that gives us a reference. Being eternal, God is outside the boundaries of time. It is all perspective to us. We are eternal because He is eternal and we came out of His heart...physical death is not separation from God, just our body. We are timeless in nature but subject to it.

I saw where you said you lke to study types and shadows...J Vernon Mcgee can be downloaded form a website I can refer you to. His study on Leviticus is really a good evidence of that...great teachings...

Welcome Kim...

I thought of that in a similar way....

God is light. Any object approaching the speed of light has time slow down, and at the speed of light I believe it stops, or, all time past present and future is the same thing. At least that's how a physicist explained it to me. God probably sees everything as if it existed all at once, or, something like that.

Another interesting note on time and light. Any mass moving at the speed of light has infinite mass, meaning, it would take up everything, however that works. But, since God is omnipresent, that's how He would be omnipresent by virtue of being literal light which is moving at the speed of light thus having infinite mass, or, being everywhere, all the time, at the same time. Of course, God isn't light like the sun's light or anything. He's Spirit, so, probably faster than even the light we see with our eyes. But, I imagine the same rules would apply, although, possibly in some other way since He is a Spirit.

As to how we will view time after we die. Dunno. We'll be in a spiritual state and be light ourselves.

Dan 12:3 And they that are wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

[color="#9932CC"][/color][font="Lucida Sans Unicode"][/font] Thanks so much for the kind welcome! Yes, I do love types and shadows. The mind of God is so awesome. He gives us puzzles to contemplate and enjoy.
And thanks for the Vernon Mcgee tip. I like your thought here.."We are timeless in nature but subject to it." Considering "timelessness": we all have a starting point, a point in which we cannot say we existed before this point. Many people look to God for the future and this is good. But it's also good to consider the past. (He IS), who WAS, IS and IS TO COME. (He IS, The ALPHA-BEGINNING and the OMEGA-END) He fills time past, present and future(of which, IMHO, no human will ever be able to claim, ergo-we will still be bound to some form of time, even after the resurrection).

God bless you,
Kim

Thanks for your comments! I find your train of thought interesting too, although I don't believe that time will "leave". Jesus makes comment to the continuation of time when He mentions the "age(s)" to come. The millenium is also referred to as a specific span of time, 1,000 yrs.

Out of curiosity, what has given you the impression that time will "leave"?

God bless you,
Kim

Very interesting thoughts here, thanks for sharing! It reminds me of the hope we have, that we shall be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. We won't know what hit us! lol.

What is time but the marking of the passage of moments? What are moments but fractions of time? What was the question?

Over the course of my christian walk, I've heard many people make statements concerning heaven (or after the resurrection) that time will stop. For some reason people equate the gift of eternal life as no time/timlessness. I think they are assuming that in order for a person to have eternal life, they must be disconnected from time itself. I pondered that quite a bit and came to the conclusion that although we shall be *changed* in a moment, in the twinkling of the eye, we will still be created beings. In my mind, time is a marker FOR the created. Time gives the created, *limits*, and/or *bounds* (in juxtaposition to omnipresence). Do you concur? If not, then why do you believe time is not a vital component for created beings?

Yes, you are correct. Time is insulated within the Realm of Nature, e.g. the "Endoverse", which is separated from the Divine Realm of Super Nature, the "Supra-Exoverse" where God resides on His Throne. These two parts (the inner universe and outer universe) form the "Trans-Universal Superstructure" (TUS) with 27+ Transdimensions. Satan is called the "God of Time", because he lead the rebellion that defiled the former universal state (“Supraeoverse”, “super + first + universe”) that auto-inverted into the current degenerated state (TUS) and precipitating Chaos produced the emergence of "non-fixed" Time for the first time. Hence, the conditions of entropy, decay, degeneration, deterioration, aging and death are only possible due to the presents of Time. Thus, God is not the creator of Time. But also, time is irrelevant to God, and all time coexists in unison with God, and He can access all parallel time dimensions, which is why He can heal.

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i guess what i want to know then
is will we be in the time machine on the other side?
or will we enter timelessness and be set free?

i believe that we will be set free from all constaints
that now define our lives and be in the Presence of God

Genesis starts with Bereshith...the second letter because
it is creation...which is outside or set apart from the
Creator, the Alpha or Source. Bet is the second letter
for a reason...as "house" is built and the world created.

how marvelous it is to think about. so we have the
uncreated spirit within the created body...when we accept
Christ, we are then filled with the spirit from above.

blows me away...

In Paul's letters to the early churches, he states that Christians who have died; "only sleep" or "are sleeping" etc., while waiting for the Grand Reunion on the Morning of Eternity. To me, when I am sleeping, I don't really have any concept of how long I have slept when I wake up. If I didn't get enough sleep, I know I will be tired around 2 pm, but the point is, that when I do arise, I have no concept of the hours and minutes that passed between the time I first fell asleep, and the minute I woke up. Hope this makes sense.

God purposely created a temporal heaven and earth that decays. The new Heaven and the new earth will be eternal free from decay. Without decay time has no barring. The Lord will be here with us an His presence will be in all of us.

Hi,
You have a complex view of things ....but I respectfully disagree. I do not consider Satan as the god of time. Time was at the foundation of creation...

Gen 1: 14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 "and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. [He made] the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that [it was] good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Paul mentions the third heaven, but I do not see where other dimensions are mentioned. We can speculate and wonder about what God has created, considering that He has existed eternally PAST as well as now and eternally in the future. To think of all the time God has existed and what He has possibly created that we have no (biblical)clue about is tremendous. He is the Ancient of Days.

God bless you,
Kim

time stops when your watch is broken

if you can't tell time then time is inaccurate to you

Hi Signet,
I don't believe that it will be necessary to be freed from time constraints in order to be in the presence of God. Most people view time as an enemy, but I do not. I could be assuming, but I think people view the concept of time as "aging" or getting older. This may blow some people's minds but although our God is described as the Ancient of Days, I do not believe He literally *looks* old(long white beard, long white hair etc). He IS life, He is not bound to decay of ANY kind. And His promise to us is that those who endure to the end, shall be saved....His gift is eternal LIFE. Although (I believe) time will be present for created beings, it will no longer be an enemy of aging/decay.

God bless you,
Kim

Hi Sharon,
You have a poetic way of putting things, nice! (and yes, you do make sense )I believe Paul (and others) used the metaphor of "sleep" to signify a temporary state of being....ie-they are not really "dead", but are rather "resting".

God bless you,
Kim

Hi Snorch,
My two cents can be found in post 17, lol.
God bless! Kim

A question for anyone willing to tackle it....
If time ceases to exist (after the millenium), then why would time be mentioned?
Rev 22:(NKJV) Revelation 22:1 And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, [was] the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each [tree] yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations.

Although it is mentioned that there will be no need for the sun or moon because God is giving the light, why would John make reference to "month(s)" if "time" had ceased?

Yes, you are correct, God created Time, but its properties were changed by Lucifer/Satan at the time of the Great Rebelion. The original properties of Time were different in the Paradise Creation (Supraeoverse), nothing like as we know today. Lucifer/Satan's defilement of the former Paradise Creation created a "Changed Time" to be at the foundation of the current Secondary Creation (the second universal state) within the current continuum of Space and Time, a secondary degenerated state. It is this corrupted "Changed Time" that Satan is responsible for, and thus is the "god" of; where as before the transformation, Time possessed "fixed" not "non-fixed" properties.

The Transdimensions are alluded to in quantumn physics. The Supra-Exoverse is divided into 2 parts, Upper and Lower. It is the Upper Transdimensions that are the Third Heaven... the Lower Transdimensions are the Second Heaven... and the Endoverse (separate from the Supra-Exoverse) is the First Heaven.

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