In a time of continued depreciation of the dignity of human beings, in an age in which life has become cheap, we should take note of God's view of them. As we do this we will soon see the unique place human beings have in God's plan for His creation. And the best way of realizing their uniqueness is not by letting our imagination run wild but by studying the differences between angels and human beings.


The angels greatly differ from human beings. We creatures of mortal flesh enjoy a dignity that angels do not enjoy. Although these fellow creatures are in the presence of God Himself and serve Him in all perfection, they are inferior in relation to man. They may be infinitely higher in the scale of things at this very moment than we are; but between them there is a distance and a difference that is vast, and overwhelming in its implications. The essential difference is that angels are not created in the image of God.


After the creation of angels God created man and gave him dominion over the earth (Gen. 1:16). Even in his sinful nature man has not lost his unique stature. He is the fallen prophet, priest and king, the prodigal son.


Angels are spiritual beings,simultaneously yet individually created, who don't have physical relationships and can't form families. They were not created to develop skills or talents or to have dominion over the world. They can't progress from a lower level to a higher level. A human being has a body and a soul; he is born, grows up and dies; angels do not go through the same process. They were complete at their creation. They always remain the same.


The wonder and mystery of the Incarnation clearly shows the distinct difference between man and angels. When the Son of God came into the world He took upon Himself not the form of an angel but of a man. This means that angels have a lower rank in the order of creation than man. And in heaven the ascended Lord didn't set aside His human nature. Paul says that Christians are already now seated with Him in the heavenly realms (Eph. 2:6). As the Heidelberg Catechism confesses: "We have our own flesh in heaven - a guarantee that Christ our head will take us, his members, to himself in heaven." (q. a. 49)


From the throne of honour and power the Lord sends His angels as ministering spirits to serve all who will inherit salvation (Hebr. l:14). The contrast between man and angels is striking. Although angels are morally perfect and in the presence of the Lord of glory, they continue to serve the believers. They can never lord it over these Believers.


Angels then are not only inferior in relation to Christ (Hebr. 1:4ff) but even in relation to believers. Angels do not know the content of redemption. (1 Pet. 1:12) They do not know what it means experientially to have Jesus Christ give His life for the salvation of sinners. They are not the adopted children of the heavenly Father. In Jesus Christ we become the children of the heavenly Father; the angels remain His servants (cf. John 15:15f. ) Believers are to be crowned with glory and honour (Ps. 8:6), and share in Christ's exaltation which exceeds the dignity of angels. And not the angels will judge us but we will judge them. Paul makes this remarkable statement: "Do you not know that we will judge angels?" (1 Cor. 6:3) Calvin opines that Paul refers to the judging of fallen angels.


The Nature of Angels.


What is known about the elusive nature of angels? Our minds can go into a tailspin at trying to find out what they are like. How can one describe the invisible world? Yet Scripture gives us a glimpse of their dazzling nature. Through its "eyes" we can begin seeing the invisible.


Angels are without bodies and hence invisible. Unlike God they are not omnipresent. Yet they seem to be able to be present in more than one place at the same time. They are not restricted or bound by time or space. Although they are pure spirits, they can take on human form whenever it is necessary in the history of salvation. But they often appear to man also in different forms. Two angels came to Lot in the form of men to tell him to get out of Sodom. (Gen. 19) On the day of resurrection the women who went to the tomb saw two men "in clothes that gleamed like lightening" (Luke 24:4) Matthew records that an angel rolled back the stone and sat on it. "His appearance was like lightening, and h is clothes were white as snow " (Mat. 28:2)
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Angels are endowed with great intelligence (2 Sam. 14:20). They were given perfect intelligence at their creation.


Since they are in the presence of God they have a far clearer view of and a deeper insight into the meaning of all what happens in our world than we do. Our knowledge is always limited, even in our age of computers, internet and amazing technological advances. But angels do not have an autonomous activity alongside God; they function and intervene in the world only as God commands. Their amazing knowledge and power, like that of all creatures, are dependent and derived.


They are capable of great feats of strength,whether it is in slaying over 180. 000 men in an evening, or setting an apostle free from prison (2 Kings 19:35; Acts 12).


When the Bible speaks about heaven and earth, it often refers to angels and man. Our Lord taught us to pray "Our Father in heaven . . . your will be done on earth as it is in heaven" (Matt. 6:9f). The presence of angels encourages Christians to obey God. As the angels carry out God's will in heaven so should we do the same on earth. According to the Heidelberg Catechism, the third request in the Lord's Prayer means, "Help everyone carry out (his or her) work as willingly and faithfully as the angels in heaven." (q. a. 124)


The angels do more than sing praises to God. They also speak. The New International version translates Revelation 5:22 as "in a loud voice they (angels) sang." But the Greek text literally says, "In a loud voice they said." But there is only one text in the Bible which speaks about the language of angels, "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels" (1 Cor. 13:1). But believers should not spend time in speculating about the nature of the language the angels speak to each other. This is an exercise in futility. Are we ready to listen when an angel addresses us? Of the angel, who was to lead Israel to Canaan, the Bible says: "Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him." (Ex. 23:21) When an angel spoke to Zechariah and foretold the birth of John the Baptist, he did not trust his message. He said, "How can I be sure of this? I am an old man and my wife is well along in years." (Luke 1:18) There is always the tragic possibility that the voice of an angel will come to us but we either don't understand it or refuse to listen. We can be like Saul on the Damascus road who heard the voice of the Lord speak in Aramic, his own language, but still asked, "Who are you Lord?" (Acts 26:15)

http://www.reformedreflections.ca/studies/...-of-angels.html
CLAIM: THAT BEFORE THE FLOOD, ANGELS MATED WITH WOMEN ON THE EARTH. QUOTED AS PROOF: GENESIS 6:2,4 "THAT THE SONS OF GOD SAW THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN THAT THEY WERE FAIR; AND THEY TOOK THEM WIVES OF ALL WHICH THEY CHOSE. 4. THERE WERE GIANTS IN THE EARTH IN THOSE DAYS; AND ALSO AFTER THAT, WHEN THE SONS OF GOD CAME IN UNTO THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN, AND THEY BARE CHILDREN TO THEM, THE SAME BECAME MIGHTY MEN WHICH WERE OF OLD, MEN OF RENOWN. " CLAIM: THE SONS OF GOD WERE THE ANGELS THAT WERE CAST OUT OF HEAVEN WITH SATAN.






We examine the Scriptures to see if this statement is true or false.

There is no wording in all of Genesis which says, or even suggest, that Satan and his wicked angels had been cast out of heaven to the Earth at this point of time. We can see that in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 that Satan was still entering heaven and therefore had not yet been cast out of heaven. This is a long time after Genesis 6:2,4.

In the verses 2 and 4 above, the word "SONS" is translated throughout the bible as the actual son born to mankind, or related to, or descendent from a man, etc. See Strong's definition below.

This word is used 4,906 times in the bible. 01121 ben {bane}

from 01129; TWOT - 254; n m

Number of times word translated as: (AV = Authorized Version = KJV 1611)
AV - son 2978, children 1568, old 135, first 51, man 20, young 18, young + 01241 17, child 10, stranger 10, people 5, misc 92; 4906

1) son, grandson, child, member of a group
1a) son, male child
1b) grandson
1c) children (pl. - male and female)
1d) youth, young men (pl.)
1e) young (of animals)
1f) sons (as characterization, i.e. sons of injustice [for unrighteous men]
1g) people (of a nation) (pl.)
1h) of lifeless things, i.e. sparks, stars, arrows (fig.)
1i) a member of a guild, order, class

We cannot ignore the normal and consistent use of this word. Some say that it can be, and has been, said that when used with the term "sons of God" that it means angels, because the angels are the sons of God. However, While it is true that angels have been called "sons of God" (Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7), it is also true that man has been called "sons of God" (John 1:12, Romans 8:14, 8:19, Philippians 2:15, 1John 3:1-2). So, which should apply to Genesis?

If we look for the meaning of the term "sons of God" throughout the bible, we find that it has the same meaning regardless of where it is used in the bible. Perhaps the best explanation or definition can be found in Romans 8:4 where it says "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Now that very definition eliminates the fallen angels who rebelled against God because they are not, and cannot be, led by the Spirit of God.

Is there any other way that we can determine if the term "sons of God" in Genesis is referring to angels or men? Jesus said in Matthew 22:30 "for in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, BUT ARE AS THE ANGELS OF GOD IN HEAVEN." And again in Mark 12:25 "For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; BUT ARE AS THE ANGELS WHICH ARE IN HEAVEN." This was in response to a question about a woman who had married seven brothers.

Marriage includes a sexual union to produce children. The insight here is on the angels. Since they do not marry, they do not reproduce themselves through a sexual union because God's word makes it clear that any sex outside of marrage is forbidden. This tells us that God made each one of them individually, and there will never be anymore of them than God chooses to produced. On this basis, we can say that angels do not engage in sex and therefore did not engage in sex with the daughters of men.

Is there any other basis that we can use? Yes there is. In Genesis 1:21, 24-25 God repeats the words "after their/his kind" in relation to the reproduction of all of His creations. We see that this holds true in nature today. If different species try to mate, it is either impossible or else there is no offspring, no birth of something that is part one and part of another. On this basis we can also say that angels did not engage in sex with the daughters of men to produce offspring. (The mighty men, men or renown, or giants even).

I think that we have now shown, by the bible, that the term "sons of God" used in Genesis 6:2,4 does not refer to angels and therefore must be referring to men. If this is true, then we will be able to confirm it with the bible.

We have seen in previous scripture in Genesis that Cain turned away from God by doing evil, which resulted in Cain being cursed by God. (Genesis 4:11) Scripture also shows us that Cain had many children (Genesis 4:17- 24) and all of them were concerned with, and went after, the things of the world.

1. Ge. 4:19 there was multiple wives (sexual lust)
2. Ge. 4:20 amassed physical wealth - cattle (desire to be rich)
3. Ge. 4:21 invented musical instruments (to soothe their tortured souls)
4. Ge. 4:22 made use of brass and iron for tools and for weapons to kill
5. Ge. 4:23 commits murder

The descendants of Cain were murderers as was Cain. (Genesis 4:23) Certainly, none of them could be called sons of God because they refused to serve God. We can call them men, and their daughters were then the "daughters of men". On the other side we see also in the scripture of Genesis that another son of Adam and Eve was born, and was called Seth. (Genesis 4:25) Seth had a son called Enos, (Genesis 4:26) who with his descendants, "began men to call upon the name of the Lord". We are then given the Godly line of men who worshipped God and had the Spirit of God in them.

(Genesis 5) Since this line of men had the Spirit of God in them, because they feared and worshipped God, we can call them "sons of God" (Romans 8:14, John 1:12) We can now say with confidence that the "daughters of men" were the descendants of Cain while the "sons of God" were the descendants of Seth. It now can be seen that the Godly line of Seth was becoming degenerate because the descendants of Seth were marrying the decendants of Cain, women who were idolaters and as such were polluting the Godly line. If it had continued, Satan would have eliminated the Godly line from which Jesus would come. It would appear that God destroyed the Earth, and all of the sinful line descendent from Cain, to stop that from happening, leaving only the Godly line descendent from Seth to survive the flood.

From the above, we can say that the claim:

That before the flood, Angels mated with women on the Earth. Quoted as proof: Genesis 6:2,4 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." IS FALSE!

That the Claim: The sons of God were The Angels that were cast out of heaven with Satan IS FALSE! In all respects. There were no angels involved here.

Rev. Jack Barr

http://www.barr-family.com/godsword/claim3.htm

Thanks for posting this voice...Are you reverend Jack?

You talked about men who were called sons of God and why..with scripture to back it up.

But you didn't talk about why angels were called (in certain context) sons of God..?
Also..This article was understandable.

Here's a thought according to what's spoken by Rev. Jack.

If God cursed Cains line (a mark?) Could it be a genealogical thing?

Could it produce gigantism?
(But that wouldn't explain why there were big grapes).

What about interbreeding? What could that produce in humans with cursed genes?

Could that line have been the first to have problems with interbreeding 'because' they were cursed? Perhaps the curse is what caused mutations and perhaps that's another reason the 'powers that be' wanted them to mix the line...(though humanly they did it because they lusted).

Seth's line wasn't cursed, so they could interbreed?

(I hate that icky picture)

I know there's another topic on this but by the time l got there l was lost in the dust..(a long read)

Also...I noticed on another post that l only glanced through, what looked to be an expanded version of the angel wing you use with your name. It looked like a man in an angel outfit with breasts?
What was that anyway?



also...why do you change your name so much?
You don't have to answer that...l was just curious about who's teaching me.

absolutely not





. Matthew 22:30 explains that they do not marry or reproduce like humans, and Hebrews 12:22-23 says that when we get to the heavenly Jerusalem, we will be met by “myriads of angels” and “the spirits of righteous men made perfect”—two separate groups. Angels are a company or association, not a race descended from a common ancestor (Luke 20:34-36). We are called “sons of men,” but angels are never called “sons of angels.”


The Scripture speaks about the creation of angels, therefore, it is clear that they have not existed from all eternity (Nehemiah 9:6; Psalm 148:2,5). Colossians 1:16-17 explains:

“For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.”

When the Lord said 'Let us make man in Our Image' he was not conferring with the angels but the Triune God was self-conferring within the Divine Unity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Angels are not created
in God's Image and nowhere does the Lord ever need to consult with them - they take orders from Him and never give Him advice.

They are not 'sons of God' in the redemptive sense as we are - only by virtue of being 'created spirits' are they 'sons of God', As for us:

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 1 John 3:1



Angels do not share this relationship and in fact, they minister to us

Hebrews 1:14 Aren't they all serving spirits, sent out to do service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?.

Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did he say at any time, "You are my Son. Today have I become your father?" and again, "I will be to him a Father, and he will be to me a Son?"







Angels are essentially “ministering spirits,” (Hebrews 1:14) and do not have physical bodies like humans. Jesus declared that “a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have” (Luke 24:37-39).

The Bible does, however, make it clear that angels can only be in one place at a time. They must have some localized presence.

Angels can take on the appearance of men when the occasion demands. How else could some “entertain angels unaware” (Hebrews 13:2)? On the other hand, their appearance is sometimes in dazzling white and blazing glory (Matthew 28:2-4).

you might want to email him for answers to those questions
gigantism, interbreeding, cursed genes, mutations, 'powers that be', mixing the lines, lusting - all products of man's fall

But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
I Samuel 16:7

If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. John 7:17

Moreover as for me, God forbid that I should sin against the LORD in ceasing to pray for you: but I will teach you the good and the right way: 1 Samuel 12:23

I believe angels and humans are both from God and are both in the likeness of God.

Jesus said in the resurrection there will be no diference between angels and saints...

Your kids look like you, the angels are the natural children of God.
We are the adopted children of God through Christ.

Was not Jesus conceived of the Father, "if you see me you see the father"

simple really

Angels and humans are the same thing. We were in that spirit body (as angels) in the first age, we are that same spirit in this flesh body and at our physical death our same spirit body steps out of this flesh body - angels again.


Miki is right..........that picture is ICKY!

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.
1 Timothy 4:1

We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
1 John 4:6

Did you see the picture of the other 2 little angels??? how creepy

I know we dont agree on this Voice but I think we all can agree something isnt right with these angel, besides angels dont have wings but cherubs do....

Let us make man in our image,,, whos image???? Gods image and the angels..... thats why the word say "OUR"and not "MY"

Voice...I know why men are called sons of God. You did a good job explaining.

But why on a couple of occasions are angels called the sons of God?

Or did l get confused and miss it.

And what about the male angel with the breasts l talked about that l saw in your extended picture.
I think it's a fair question. We are on the angel topic.

don't worry about the angels - if you are a born again, blood bought believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, you should change your forum name

http://www.sleeps.com/forums/dream-interpretation/11980.htm
http://www.schizophrenia-info.info/deliver..._nightmares.htm

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things Philippians 4:8

For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee. Proverbs 23:7

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The Scripture speaks about the creation of angels, therefore, it is clear that they have not existed from all eternity (Nehemiah 9:6; Psalm 148:2,5). Colossians 1:16-17 explains:

"For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together."Colossians 1:16-17

When the Lord said 'Let us make man in Our Image' he was not suggesting that the angels take part in the act of creation and he was not conferring with the angels , nor asking for advice or counsel -

but the Triune God was self-conferring within the Divine Unity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The hebrew 'betzelem elohim' bears this out.

Angels are not created in God's Image and nowhere does the Lord ever need to consult with them, nowhere does the Word ever hint at or say they are created in God's image - they take orders from Him and never give Him advice.

Only a demon would consult otherwise since they are jealous deceivers destined for the scalding eternal lava filled fire - filth of the Lake of Fire - which is already prepared for them and for every deceiving unsaved heretic. I will judge them.

I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them my enemies. Psalm 139:22

Know you not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1 Corinthians 6:3

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Revelation 3:21

When the Lord said 'Let us make man in Our Image' he was not conferring with the angels but the Triune God was self-conferring within the Divine Unity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Angels are not created
in God's Image and nowhere does the Lord ever need to consult with them - they take orders from Him and never give Him advice.

They are not 'sons of God' in the redemptive sense as we are - only by virtue of being 'created spirits' who did not sin as did the other one-third of the created heavenly host , are they 'sons of God'.

Here are two scriptures that speak of angels as being "sons of God":

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them." (Job 1:6) "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" (Job 38:7)

Adam, the first man, was called the "son of God":

"Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God." (Luke 3:38)

The children of Israel are called the "sons of God":

"Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God." (Hosea 1:10)

Paul explained that, through the sacrifice of Jesus, and the grace of God, all men can become the "sons of God" through "adoption":

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. " (Romans 8:14) "For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God." (Romans 8:19)

"And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." (2Corinthians 6:18)

"To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father." (Galatians 4:5-6)





Before one is saved, one is a child of wrath...

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. Ephesians 2:3

After one is saved, one is a son of God...

"To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father." (Galatians 4:5-6)

The angels which did not sin are called sons of God...

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord .... " (Job 1:6) "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" (Job 38:7)





All of the angels that sinned along with Satan are not called sons
of God but are called fallen angels and demons - along with the unsaved
they will all be cast into the Eternal Lake of Fire where they shall be
excruciatingly tormented by God eternally.

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philippians 4:8

You wanna know why this statement is stupid???? "When the Lord said 'Let us make man in Our Image' he was not conferring with the angels but the Triune God was self-conferring within the Divine Unity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Angels are not created"

Well im not gonna tell ya..... jk

Voice you are trying to make a point that when God made man, only the father the sun and the holy spirit where there...

Wrong ...Wrong ...Wrong

Satan is a angel and he was there..... As a matter of fact lets look back:

Genesis 1:4 "And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."

Genesis 1:5 "And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

It will be another day that the sun, and moon, and stars were created.

You got 2 options here voice

1: You can say Satan was created after Man

2: You can say Satan was created before before man which makes you above statement about only the trinity being there incorrect...

It is not born again,,,,, the text is born from above......

The Scripture speaks about the creation of angels, therefore, it is clear that they have not existed from all eternity (Nehemiah 9:6; Psalm 148:2,5). Colossians 1:16-17 explains:

"For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together."Colossians 1:16-17

When the Lord said 'Let us make man in Our Image' he was not suggesting that the angels take part in the act of creation and he was not conferring with the angels , nor asking for advice or counsel -

but the Triune God was self-conferring within the Divine Unity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The hebrew 'betzelem elohim' bears this out.

Angels are not created in God's Image and nowhere does the Lord ever need to consult with them, nowhere does the Word ever hint at or say they are created in God's image - they take orders from Him and never give Him advice.

Only a demon would consult otherwise since they are jealous deceivers destined for the scalding eternal lava filled fire - filth of the Lake of Fire - which is already prepared for them and for every deceiving unsaved heretic. I will judge them.

I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them my enemies. Psalm 139:22

Know you not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1 Corinthians 6:3

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Revelation 3:21

John 3:3 ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ· ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω σοι, ἐὰν μή τις γεννηθῇ ἄνωθεν, οὐ δύναται ἰδεῖν τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ.
Jesus answered him, "Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can't see the Kingdom of God."

ἄνωθεν anothen in Greek can mean above, but its elucidated principle meaning can also mean, 'anew' or 'once again' or 'again'

So one simple question...... was satan created before Adam or after Adam???????

QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Jun 20 2008, 04:17 PM)

QUOTE (voice @ Jun 19 2008, 11:48 PM)

QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Jun 20 2008, 10:55 AM)

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QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Jun 19 2008, 10:48 AM)

QUOTE (whirlwind @ Jun 18 2008, 02:40 PM)

QUOTE (voice @ Jun 17 2008, 09:49 PM)

Angels and humans are the same thing. We were in that spirit body (as angels) in the first age, we are that same spirit in this flesh body and at our physical death our same spirit body steps out of this flesh body - angels again.


Miki is right..........that picture is ICKY!

Did you see the picture of the other 2 little angels??? how creepy

I know we dont agree on this Voice but I think we all can agree something isnt right with these angel, besides angels dont have wings but cherubs do....

don't worry about the angels - if you are a born again, blood bought believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, you should change your forum name

http://www.sleeps.com/forums/dream-interpretation/11980.htm
http://www.schizophrenia-info.info/deliver..._nightmares.htm

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things Philippians 4:8

For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee. Proverbs 23:7

It is not born again,,,,, the text is born from above......

John 3:3 ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ· ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω σοι, ἐὰν μή τις γεννηθῇ ἄνωθεν, οὐ δύναται ἰδεῖν τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ.
Jesus answered him, "Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can't see the Kingdom of God."

ἄνωθεν anothen in Greek can mean above, but its elucidated principle meaning can also mean, 'anew' or 'once again' or 'again'

ἄνωθεν (anōthen)
13 Occurrences in scripture

ἀνωρθώθη >>

Strong's Number 509 (ἄνωθεν: from above, again, from the beginning,anew

<a href="http://&quot;http://biblos.com/john/3-7.htm&quot;" target="_blank">John 3:7 μὴ θαυμάσῃς ὅτι εἶπόν σοι· δεῖ ὑμᾶς γεννηθῆναι ἄνωθεν.
Don't marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born anew.',
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<a href="http://&quot;http://biblos.com/john/3-3.htm&quot;" target="_blank">John 3:3 ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ· ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω σοι, ἐὰν μή τις γεννηθῇ ἄνωθεν, οὐ δύναται ἰδεῖν τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ.
Jesus answered him, "Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can't see the Kingdom of God."</a>




"You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel! Matthew 23:24

So one simple question...... was satan created before Adam or after Adam???????

But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. Titus 3:9

Voice...That's a weird answer and a weird picture. It makes me suspicious. I'm not being mean just honest. A man in an angel costume with breasts is weird.

As far as the answer about the angels that didn't fall being called the sons of God might fit.

But it seems a little odd that on a scripture the Lord knew would be controversial he would use the same name for saved men as he does for angels. But maybe not. At least it's some answer. I've never heard a satisfactory one.

I don't think fornication with angels is a horrid topic. I think it's correct in light of all that we see in this world to discuss the possibilities of this scripture.

I want to try to see it the other way as you have done a good job of presenting...but the preponderance of the evidence seems to fall to the other side. I don't feel like emailing a stanger about gene's and curses but will let the subject rest.

Next time voice when you quote me, don't put the word false inside my quote I don't want people to think I wrote false.

Now Jesus said one must be born of water and Spirit to enter the kingdom of God, on earth this would mean angels too half to be born of water and then spirit in the name of Jesus...

And by the way it was Jesus' own words that said in the resurrection there won't be any difference between angels and saints. So when you say it is false please talk to Jesus next time and tell Jesus He is wrong....

voice how about answering my question....

Was Satan created before Adam or after Adam ????? You have already trapped yourself.....

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. John 8:36

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/lucifer.html
http://www.injil.org/TWOR/07.html



Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Proverbs 26:4

Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Proverbs 26:5

You call a man that is many races and loves all races a racist.....whos the fool?????

Please answer Voice. I assure you Nightmare is no fool and his question is no folly. I fear you are avoiding it because you cannot answer.

Eliyahu has already made mincemeat of both of you concerning such.

Have nothing to do with people who continue to teach false doctrine after you have warned them once or twice. Titus 3:10

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. John 8:36

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/lucifer.html
http://www.injil.org/TWOR/07.html

I have never asked Eliyahu a question that he refused to answer.... Although i dont agree with him on some things he stills answers.....

As a matter of fact I will pm Eliyahu and ask him myself what he believes concerning this.....

Your just digging a bigger hole for yourself just answer the question, if you answer and your wrong so what, we have all believed something wrong, but when you see your err just change to the truth its that simple.

So was Satan created after Adam or before Adam??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I can tell you that I do not know. There were only six days of creating so it was not very long before Adam that he was created if it was before him. Why?
Obviously you are trying to trap Voice...

As I thought....you cannot answer it and resort to implying that people are fools. Shame on you Voice.

One cannot be trapped if they speak the truth.

Exactly!

So why continue to try?

Why not be corrected?

We are not trying to lead you into traps. We are targeted for being trapped by NM.

cool .... I sent you a pm asking you but you answered here so never mind the pm......

Voice trapped himself.......

You should speak the truth and not hold back because you like someone......

the question is simple-------------- Was satan created before Adam or after Adam???

why????? you ask - because Voice said that when man was created there was only the Father the Son and The holy spirit around...... then he implied that he would not answer because you have already made mincemeat of my and WW beliefs....

But you are unsure in your answer how have you made mincemeat of anything??????

Thats bull and I think you know it....

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Satan was A Good angel (Lucifer) long before the flesh man Adam came....... and I can prove it!!!!!!

But if you wont tell it like it is sorry for asking.........

Image is singular as far as I know. It is in the English anyhow. One image.
Satan is not talking to God or being spoken to in the passage. "Let us make man in our image." That is borderline blasphemy to even suggest. That hints at the devil having the power to create and thus be another God.


It also says, "And God said.." first. It does not say that God said this to anyone else. It does not mention any angels either.

Don't even give me this idea that "elohim is a plural word that means "mighty ones" and therefore Lucifer was there talking with God." That is just plain stupid. Was Lucifer (the angel of light) there, then when God said "Let there be light." Did Lucifer help create the heavens and the earth in Gen 1:1?

So I guess God needed to get Satan involved. God and Satan were telepaths and could finish each others' sentences too? Or was it like Tomax and Xemot, the Cobra psychic twins in G I Joe, only God and Satan were psychic twins both being the image of God? Imagine the Cobra twins' voices saying this:

God: "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him"
Satan: "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness..."


Or maybe it was like this:

Satan "It is not good"
God: "for the man to be alone."
Satan "I"
God "will make a"
Satan "helper"
God "suitable for"
Satan "him."
God and Satan in unison"Let us"
Satan "make man"
God "in"
Both God and Satan in unison"our image."
Satan "According to"
both God and Satan in unison"our likeness"

How blasphemous is that? It reminds me of that old Mormon cartoon of Jesus and Lucifer as brothers at the father elohim's council in outer space.

what are you talking about?????? Satan is a angel.... If you say that Adam was created before the angels you are saying Adam was also created before Lucifer because Lucifer is a angel..........

Voice said when God created man there was only the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit was there.....

What im saying is Satan and a whole bunch of other angels were there before Adam..... So when God said let us make man in our image -- He means the image of Him and the angels..... that simple.

So answer the question I asked a simple question and cant get a simple answer but you and Voice give me babel...

You know what Voice dont even trip you aint gotta answer its all good......

I answered your question quite clearly.

If you believe that angels are created in the image of God, than Man is created in the image of God still, not in the image of God and the angels.

We would then be children of angels.

What is your point here anyhow?

I agree Eliyahu. But, why would someone not admit that they didn't know or couldn't answer so they could learn...unless they didn't wish to learn or be proven wrong and instead simply wanted to adhere to what they believed was right and cannot be defended?

The "trap" as you put it isn't a trap but a way to have the one in question admit that there has to be another answer.

Eliyahu is one of Voice's other names...What gives?

Voice are you asking yourself questions or is it just a coincidence that his name is the same as a name you have on your list?
I didn't think this site would let two people have the same name?