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Neal
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QUOTE (Neal @ Jun 24 2008, 07:31 PM) *
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Hey . . . have you read ' Holographic Universe ' ?


Michael Coleman Talbot (September 29, 1953 – May 27, 1992) was the author of a number of books highlighting parallels between ancient mysticism and quantum mechanics, and espousing a theoretical model of reality that suggests the physical universe is akin to a giant hologram.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Talbot

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/006...kstorenow600-20

The book, "The Holographic Universe", by Michael Talbot reminds me of the
theory behind the meaning of holographic, within archetypical images. The word
holographic has contextual relationships to all microcosm and macrocosm. I
agree with page 165, about the ~nefish~ teaching : (nefish: that an egg-shaped
bubble of iridescence surrounds every human body).

Stanley Krippner is quoted from a parapsychologist viewpoint, . . .
" that 97 different cultures refer to the aura with 97 different names".
You cannot study the word holographic without the word aura (nefish).
Each person, object, place, location and earth bound or heaven
bound areas, will reflect a holographic code.

This holographic code was very well explained by mathematician
J.H.M. Whiteman, in his 1961 book, "The Mystical Life". He stated,
" I realized that each person and thing has its own musical tone
range, as well as its own color range ".(quote from page 248)

Think of the word holographic as the universal, " multicolored
infinity of vibrations ". (quote from page 264) . . . So this holographic
boundary around mankind as individual's, continues its mathematical
boundary around all objects. Aura's called, " Chakras " (in Sanskrit;
for wheel), allow medical diagnoses. Barbara Brennan's book,
" Hands of Light ", as quoted on page 167 : . . .
" early stages of cancer looks gray-blue in the aura and progresses
to black ".

Neal
Ah yes, we live in a b e a u t i f u l universe.

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QUOTE (Neal @ Jun 24 2008, 07:36 PM) *
Ah yes, we live in a b e a u t i f u l universe.

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Colors = 433


433: Agglomerates, Adjourned, Atticism, Albatross, Ammonifier, Amphitheaters, Angstrom, Benches, Bookbinder, Breather, Garnishment, Darker, Dissolutions, Disorientate, Divagate, Deacon, Determinism, Deplorable, Decamp, Haptical, Hookers, Hooper, Undermines, Understandable, Idealistic, Insulator, Inquisitions, Inciting, Ipsilateral, Effulgence, Elucidates, Epithetic, Turnsole, Tortoise, Farther, Factualist, Kitchenette, Kickup, Logroll, Longueurs, Maintainers, Mustached, Ministrant, Memories, Mesdemoiselles, Nieces, Saturnism, Sternums, Smacked, Spandrel, Sparkish, Spouter, Odograph, Outrageous, Offshore, Partition, Petrous, Pellagroid, Penetrates, Peppiness, Peritonea, Planimeter, Polluter, Posture, Portended, Prothallia, Josher, Quick, Reedbird, Resultants, Robalos, Roughhouse, Roustabout, Camped, Challis, Chasten, Chaplet, Chess, Cullis, Cogs, Confab
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http://www.geocities.com/athens/delphi/8449/existence6.html
Articles Defending the Existence of God

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Does God Exist? by JT. This is an introduction looking briefly at just a sketch of the reasonableness of the Christian faith.

Science and the Existence of God: Big Bang or Big Bust? by MP. This is a defense of God's existence using scientific evidence. It also deals in-depth with the objections raised and some competing views.

Can There be Ethics Without God? by MP: This was the term paper for one of my philosophy classes. It addresses the necesity of God's existence in order for there to be a real, objective right and wrong.

Atheism and Death: Why the Atheist Must Face Death With Despair by Dustin Shramek.

The Glory of God in the Problem of Evil by MP.
chinnam naidu
out of topic
chinnam naidu
my bible is correct and translated from original greek, hebrew and mesopotamia languages
Gravelz
There is flaming on both sides here, it would seem. According to the Christians here, we can be atheists because their god gives us free will to do so. So why call us vane and stupid or "little monkeys" if your god lets us be atheists?
Maz
QUOTE (Gravelz @ Jun 27 2008, 03:01 PM) *
There is flaming on both sides here, it would seem. According to the Christians here, we can be atheists because their god gives us free will to do so. So why call us vane and stupid or "little monkeys" if your god lets us be atheists?

Agreed...I apologize for any canned heat remarks on the side of Christians...any Christian worth his salt is not supposed to strive. It goes on from there...but then that is bible...there is a measure in saying you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. The only incumbency upon a Christian is to explain the infrastructure of faith and obedience and leave the rest to that unknown entity we loosely call "God." One thing I detest is thinking I have to defend God.
Neal
QUOTE (Gravelz @ Jun 27 2008, 04:01 PM) *
There is flaming on both sides here, it would seem. According to the Christians here, we can be atheists because their god gives us free will to do so.

Um no, that's pretty nonsensical. We can be atheists for as long as we don't witness any evidence of God.

If God showed himself to atheists, would it still be okay for atheists to be atheists simply because they have free will?

Of course not.

I'm surprised Maz didn't find a flaw in your argument.

QUOTE (Gravelz)
So why call us vane and stupid or "little monkeys" if your god lets us be atheists?

If this is reference to a specific argument I'd like to see it.

Neal.
Maz
QUOTE (Neal @ Jun 27 2008, 10:25 PM) *
QUOTE (Gravelz @ Jun 27 2008, 04:01 PM) *
There is flaming on both sides here, it would seem. According to the Christians here, we can be atheists because their god gives us free will to do so.

Um no, that's pretty nonsensical. We can be atheists for as long as we don't witness any evidence of God.

If God showed himself to atheists, would it still be okay for atheists to be atheists simply because they have free will?

Of course not.

I'm surprised Maz didn't find a flaw in your argument.

QUOTE (Gravelz)
So why call us vane and stupid or "little monkeys" if your god lets us be atheists?

If this is reference to a specific argument I'd like to see it.

Neal.

At least you have balance in that point Neal...it surely would make a difference to have God show up and prove Himself. He did that once and few noticed. It would be at least as hard to deal with a God appearance as an alien undeniably showing up...that would change society forever...and so it would be with God. At least God has said there is a day coming when He will show up yet again. Meanwhile they say there are no athiests in foxholes....Perhaps men have a way of inducing a God thing into one's spirit when there is an evidence of imminent death. What might one be thinking of if he was in Iraq and kneeling in a prisonor's compound blindfolded and knowing this huge sabre is going to take off your head any moment? That facing of an eternal and dark unknown ought to stir a remnant of faith in an imagined hope of a God who saves, at least in eternity. The catch 22 is that it is like being best man at a wedding...you never get a chance to prove it. That is why one needs faith. Faith is proof to the one who has faith. To anyone of another mind, it is merely foolish presumption.
Dan
QUOTE (chinnam naidu @ Jun 24 2008, 11:36 PM) *
my bible is correct and translated from original greek, hebrew and mesopotamia languages


There is no original Greek or Hebrew. There is not one single original autograph anywhere.
Neal
QUOTE (chinnam naidu @ Jun 24 2008, 10:36 PM) *
my bible is correct and translated from original greek, hebrew and mesopotamia languages

Even if your Bible was translated from original Greek, Hebrew, and Mesopotamian languages, it would be impossible for you to infer they were correctly translated, in which you would be a quadlingual. You would need the original copies, and then to compare and contrast.

Neal C.
Gravelz
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 13 2008, 04:23 AM) *
QUOTE (Pastafarian @ Jun 12 2008, 09:25 PM) *
First let me let you know a little bit about how I first figured out that the bible was all a bunch of crap.
Back when my mother and father would take me to Sunday school, (I think this was when I was 5 or 6) I would sit there in Sunday school trying to figure out why these people were trying to teach us these stories and say that they were true! Kids at that age will believe everything, yet I somehow managed to think for myself. Every single story that I learned about, I felt had to be as fictitious as Scientology and Santa Clause. I do understand that this is my own belief and I shouldn't be bothering you all, but I would love to ask... why would anyone think this book is based on fact?? The stories are no more creative then the old nursery rhymes your mothers would read to you before bed. NOTHING in the bible has ever been proven, and I don't think it ever will. If your "god" wants peace on earth and is all knowing and all seeing, why do thousands of people die worldwide due to famine, war , suicide, etc. Wouldn't he have warned someone ahead of time? Wouldn't he have stepped in and stopped this before it happened?



If everyone on earth was as vain and faithless as you. God would have burned the place with you in it long ago.

To God you are just another little monkey chattering up in the tree.

Then when the great tribulation comes you will serve as a food supply for the real devils of the earth until Christ returns and throws them into the Lake of fire.

So you see it was never about you darwin feeder fish in the first place.

It has always been about those who Love Him.

If you don't have the Spirit to search for Him and find Him then you are indeed a animal for the purpose you were created to serve.

You all serve His purpose no matter what.

There you go.
Maz
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 28 2008, 02:07 AM) *
QUOTE (chinnam naidu @ Jun 24 2008, 11:36 PM) *
my bible is correct and translated from original greek, hebrew and mesopotamia languages


There is no original Greek or Hebrew. There is not one single original autograph anywhere.

It is not about autographs...it is about footprints and fingerprints. Surely the hand of God has written through man.. 2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

I think one needs to walk in confirmation of the inspired word of God at every level and capacity. For the word is louvred to times and seasons throughout generations. This forum is founded upon that principal by way of Shekel and his codes of revealed knowledge. To some that would be reviled knowledge. Even as God's holy writ is itself reviled by those who have chosen to oppose themselves. Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Maz
QUOTE (Gravelz @ Jun 28 2008, 09:18 AM) *
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 13 2008, 04:23 AM) *
QUOTE (Pastafarian @ Jun 12 2008, 09:25 PM) *
First let me let you know a little bit about how I first figured out that the bible was all a bunch of crap.
Back when my mother and father would take me to Sunday school, (I think this was when I was 5 or 6) I would sit there in Sunday school trying to figure out why these people were trying to teach us these stories and say that they were true! Kids at that age will believe everything, yet I somehow managed to think for myself. Every single story that I learned about, I felt had to be as fictitious as Scientology and Santa Clause. I do understand that this is my own belief and I shouldn't be bothering you all, but I would love to ask... why would anyone think this book is based on fact?? The stories are no more creative then the old nursery rhymes your mothers would read to you before bed. NOTHING in the bible has ever been proven, and I don't think it ever will. If your "god" wants peace on earth and is all knowing and all seeing, why do thousands of people die worldwide due to famine, war , suicide, etc. Wouldn't he have warned someone ahead of time? Wouldn't he have stepped in and stopped this before it happened?



If everyone on earth was as vain and faithless as you. God would have burned the place with you in it long ago.

To God you are just another little monkey chattering up in the tree.

Then when the great tribulation comes you will serve as a food supply for the real devils of the earth until Christ returns and throws them into the Lake of fire.

So you see it was never about you darwin feeder fish in the first place.

It has always been about those who Love Him.

If you don't have the Spirit to search for Him and find Him then you are indeed a animal for the purpose you were created to serve.

You all serve His purpose no matter what.

There you go.

There is not a man on this earth who can be any more or less than what snortch has claimed the unbelieving sinner to be. He says it in arrogance but at once bypassing the truth that even those of us who have claimed Christ are in no better outward shape. For all of our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. We have nothing within ourselves of ourselves and of our flesh to qualify us any more than the atheist has. The fortunate difference lies in the fact that once Christ is received that one becomes a new creation. Old things are passed away. Behold all things are become new. Not by works which we have done that any man might boast. We are goldless sinners apart from Christ. And God has caused it to be so. At once and in every place the hue and cry of the heavenlies is to come to the table, all those who are lame in their feet. Come and take freely of the bread of life. God has already forgiven all sin. He remembers none of it. Because of His Son. Because of His sacrifice...knowest thou the condescension of God? The finality is a matter of personal choice....for although one's sins are forgiven and there is a free gift of God that we may inherit the promises, it must be acted upon by the individual. Until then it is like a man with a rich uncle that left him a million bucks in the bank and he is unaware of the fortune and goes bareshod because of it. Broke and penniless and all the while rich beyond measure and not apprehending it. That is why there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. There is none so poor as a poor man without Christ.

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Dan
QUOTE (Maz @ Jun 28 2008, 11:47 AM) *
QUOTE (Gravelz @ Jun 28 2008, 09:18 AM) *
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 13 2008, 04:23 AM) *
QUOTE (Pastafarian @ Jun 12 2008, 09:25 PM) *
First let me let you know a little bit about how I first figured out that the bible was all a bunch of crap.
Back when my mother and father would take me to Sunday school, (I think this was when I was 5 or 6) I would sit there in Sunday school trying to figure out why these people were trying to teach us these stories and say that they were true! Kids at that age will believe everything, yet I somehow managed to think for myself. Every single story that I learned about, I felt had to be as fictitious as Scientology and Santa Clause. I do understand that this is my own belief and I shouldn't be bothering you all, but I would love to ask... why would anyone think this book is based on fact?? The stories are no more creative then the old nursery rhymes your mothers would read to you before bed. NOTHING in the bible has ever been proven, and I don't think it ever will. If your "god" wants peace on earth and is all knowing and all seeing, why do thousands of people die worldwide due to famine, war , suicide, etc. Wouldn't he have warned someone ahead of time? Wouldn't he have stepped in and stopped this before it happened?



If everyone on earth was as vain and faithless as you. God would have burned the place with you in it long ago.

To God you are just another little monkey chattering up in the tree.

Then when the great tribulation comes you will serve as a food supply for the real devils of the earth until Christ returns and throws them into the Lake of fire.

So you see it was never about you darwin feeder fish in the first place.

It has always been about those who Love Him.

If you don't have the Spirit to search for Him and find Him then you are indeed a animal for the purpose you were created to serve.

You all serve His purpose no matter what.

There you go.

There is not a man on this earth who can be any more or less than what snortch has claimed the unbelieving sinner to be. He says it in arrogance but at once bypassing the truth that even those of us who have claimed Christ are in no better outward shape. For all of our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. We have nothing within ourselves of ourselves and of our flesh to qualify us any more than the atheist has. The fortunate difference lies in the fact that once Christ is received that one becomes a new creation. Old things are passed away. Behold all things are become new. Not by works which we have done that any man might boast. We are goldless sinners apart from Christ. And God has caused it to be so. At once and in every place the hue and cry of the heavenlies is to come to the table, all those who are lame in their feet. Come and take freely of the bread of life. God has already forgiven all sin. He remembers none of it. Because of His Son. Because of His sacrifice...knowest thou the condescension of God? The finality is a matter of personal choice....for although one's sins are forgiven and there is a free gift of God that we may inherit the promises, it must be acted upon by the individual. Until then it is like a man with a rich uncle that left him a million bucks in the bank and he is unaware of the fortune and goes bareshod because of it. Broke and penniless and all the while rich beyond measure and not apprehending it. That is why there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. There is none so poor as a poor man without Christ.

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


Christ in me is qualified. Who do you think is qualified to be arrogant in the day of wrath. Serpents brood of vipers if you are in no better outward Shape by dieing to self and walking in His Spirit, then what do you believe? Certainly not what Our Lord and Savior Taught.

Matthew 21
21 "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' it will be done.



Maz
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 28 2008, 01:23 PM) *
Christ in me is qualified. Who do you think is qualified to be arrogant in the day of wrath. Serpents brood of vipers if you are in no better outward Shape by dieing to self and walking in His Spirit, then what do you believe? Certainly not what Our Lord and Savior Taught.

Matthew 21
21 "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' it will be done.


If Christ is in you why do you raise a defiant voice? If Christ is in you you will defy religion, but not the lost. " Certainly not what Our Lord and Savior Taught." That is as vague as it gets...what did He teach about seeking and saving? Where would you be if He had not sought you? Your commentary is no more than a diatribe of self righteous condemnation. The very thing that drives people away. Who do you think you are winning? Who do you think you are kidding? Are people flocking to you for a heartfelt message from God? Your screen name sounds like something left in a dirty kleenex. Most folks who fail to satisfy basic internet protocol by way of detailing basic s in the profile page generally turn up as anal orthodox. Freinds in profile...few...Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end [is] it for you? the day of the LORD [is] darkness, and not light.
Maz


Maybe this is John Hagee.
Adeline
Tis not for any of us Christian Chaps to throw in the towel and to give up on (what you may perceive) to be a lost world of sinners. Instead as Christians we should enter the hurting harvests while exclaiming, "Wow, look at all the potential opportunities for Christ." If we enter the harvests with a grumpy inward and outward expression what might have been saved (through the Holy Spirit working in you) is lost forever. All because we refused entrance of the Holy Spirit in our lives.

I may not understand everything in Gods Glorious Words but one thing I do know is this: We are never to give up on a potential saint. So many hurting individuals with hard nosed exteriors that are hard to get close to, but? Sometimes hard exteriors are to mask an interior (heart) wall of pain. And sometimes the only thing that can heal that pain is through unconditional love. We love them because...through us they slowly learn about the Lord...and before we know it they are allowing the Lord to minister to their hurts. Only Christ can heal a lifetime of hurts that might be on a heart.

Gods Blessings,

Al
4god
QUOTE (Pastafarian @ Jun 19 2008, 11:45 PM) *
It's been a few days now, and I'm not sure as to what else to complain about. I think I have covered most of the main things that ticks me off about Christianity, but there are so many I'm not sure were to start.
Oh, I just realized that your god still hasn't shown himself to me yet. I actually forgot about him for a few days. I must say that I didn't expect him to be so late for our "meeting". Does your god prefer to be this fashionably late?


I read all twenty five of your posts Pastafarian.
That is a strange way of thinking. Why would you be ticked off at something you don't believe is real? You better be careful how you dishonor your mother and father and talk about the God that you don't believe in. Because he might answer you with spontaneous human combustion.



Maz
QUOTE (4god @ Jun 29 2008, 01:53 AM) *
QUOTE (Pastafarian @ Jun 19 2008, 11:45 PM) *
It's been a few days now, and I'm not sure as to what else to complain about. I think I have covered most of the main things that ticks me off about Christianity, but there are so many I'm not sure were to start.
Oh, I just realized that your god still hasn't shown himself to me yet. I actually forgot about him for a few days. I must say that I didn't expect him to be so late for our "meeting". Does your god prefer to be this fashionably late?


I read all twenty five of your posts Pastafarian.
That is a strange way of thinking. Why would you be ticked off at something you don't believe is real? You better be careful how you dishonor your mother and father and talk about the God that you don't believe in. Because he might answer you with spontaneous human combustion.

Maybe pastafarian means pastafart afterall....
Dan
QUOTE (Maz @ Jun 28 2008, 04:40 PM) *
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 28 2008, 01:23 PM) *
Christ in me is qualified. Who do you think is qualified to be arrogant in the day of wrath. Serpents brood of vipers if you are in no better outward Shape by dieing to self and walking in His Spirit, then what do you believe? Certainly not what Our Lord and Savior Taught.

Matthew 21
21 "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' it will be done.


If Christ is in you why do you raise a defiant voice? If Christ is in you you will defy religion, but not the lost. " Certainly not what Our Lord and Savior Taught." That is as vague as it gets...what did He teach about seeking and saving? Where would you be if He had not sought you? Your commentary is no more than a diatribe of self righteous condemnation. The very thing that drives people away. Who do you think you are winning? Who do you think you are kidding? Are people flocking to you for a heartfelt message from God? Your screen name sounds like something left in a dirty kleenex. Most folks who fail to satisfy basic internet protocol by way of detailing basic s in the profile page generally turn up as anal orthodox. Freinds in profile...few...Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end [is] it for you? the day of the LORD [is] darkness, and not light.


"Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

"You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.

He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."

I never raise a defiant voice against Christ only those who profane his truth.

Not everyone is fit for the Kingdom of Heaven.



damo7
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 29 2008, 06:30 PM) *
QUOTE (Maz @ Jun 28 2008, 04:40 PM) *
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 28 2008, 01:23 PM) *
Christ in me is qualified. Who do you think is qualified to be arrogant in the day of wrath. Serpents brood of vipers if you are in no better outward Shape by dieing to self and walking in His Spirit, then what do you believe? Certainly not what Our Lord and Savior Taught.

Matthew 21
21 "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' it will be done.


If Christ is in you why do you raise a defiant voice? If Christ is in you you will defy religion, but not the lost. " Certainly not what Our Lord and Savior Taught." That is as vague as it gets...what did He teach about seeking and saving? Where would you be if He had not sought you? Your commentary is no more than a diatribe of self righteous condemnation. The very thing that drives people away. Who do you think you are winning? Who do you think you are kidding? Are people flocking to you for a heartfelt message from God? Your screen name sounds like something left in a dirty kleenex. Most folks who fail to satisfy basic internet protocol by way of detailing basic s in the profile page generally turn up as anal orthodox. Freinds in profile...few...Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end [is] it for you? the day of the LORD [is] darkness, and not light.


"Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

"You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.

He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."

I never raise a defiant voice against Christ only those who profane his truth.

Not everyone is fit for the Kingdom of Heaven.





To snorch


are you ? by what you have left hear is showing me and every one else from other countrys who log on to this forum how bright you are and how low we are does maz have to prove him self to you or any new member who comes seeking

i have been reading to see whats been said to pastafarian and its amazing to hear this comming from christians

one thing i have learnt only god knows where a person it at how on earth can you tell where a person is at by looking at your screen and please dont leave the same smart alic remarks you left maz when you reply to me

one thing i dont have to grovel to you or any one who is a mamber of this forum i come hear to see what god is doing in the broader part of the world and you wonder why many wil not accept christ into their lives


by what has been said to pastafarian i am discusted i am glad i encountered god in a power full way other wise i would be in Jail serving time for murder


this should not be said to another brother and no one should have to prove them selves



God bless from damo
4god
The word of God has never stopped being spoken.
Your bibles end in approximately 70 AD.
But the Lord did not stop speaking there.
No one can hear the word of God except the Spirit of God.
How will the Spirit of flesh then Judge the Spirit of God speaking?
You are caught in a Catch 22 situation.
God is the only one who can deliver you out of it.
So what do you suppose you should do?

Matthew 7
7 "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

James 1
5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.






Adeline
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 29 2008, 06:30 PM) *
QUOTE (Maz @ Jun 28 2008, 04:40 PM) *
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 28 2008, 01:23 PM) *
Christ in me is qualified. Who do you think is qualified to be arrogant in the day of wrath. Serpents brood of vipers if you are in no better outward Shape by dieing to self and walking in His Spirit, then what do you believe? Certainly not what Our Lord and Savior Taught.

Matthew 21
21 "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' it will be done.


If Christ is in you why do you raise a defiant voice? If Christ is in you you will defy religion, but not the lost. " Certainly not what Our Lord and Savior Taught." That is as vague as it gets...what did He teach about seeking and saving? Where would you be if He had not sought you? Your commentary is no more than a diatribe of self righteous condemnation. The very thing that drives people away. Who do you think you are winning? Who do you think you are kidding? Are people flocking to you for a heartfelt message from God? Your screen name sounds like something left in a dirty kleenex. Most folks who fail to satisfy basic internet protocol by way of detailing basic s in the profile page generally turn up as anal orthodox. Freinds in profile...few...Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end [is] it for you? the day of the LORD [is] darkness, and not light.


"Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

"You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.

He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."

I never raise a defiant voice against Christ only those who profane his truth.

Not everyone is fit for the Kingdom of Heaven.






Snorch,

Wow! How about getting off your high horse for a moment? Who are you to proclaim some unscriptural hogwash, "Not everyone is fit for the kingdom of Heaven?" It is true that some people choose to reject Jesus and the cross. If someone rejects Jesus, someone will forfeit their right to salvation. A choice they made. But you on the other hand just implied to a brother in Christ that he might not be fit for the kingdom of God? Shame on you! You may want to get off your religious high horse and join us on Christian turnpike.

Gods Blessings,

Al
Dan
QUOTE (damo7 @ Jun 29 2008, 08:12 PM) *
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 29 2008, 06:30 PM) *
QUOTE (Maz @ Jun 28 2008, 04:40 PM) *
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 28 2008, 01:23 PM) *
Christ in me is qualified. Who do you think is qualified to be arrogant in the day of wrath. Serpents brood of vipers if you are in no better outward Shape by dieing to self and walking in His Spirit, then what do you believe? Certainly not what Our Lord and Savior Taught.

Matthew 21
21 "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' it will be done.


If Christ is in you why do you raise a defiant voice? If Christ is in you you will defy religion, but not the lost. " Certainly not what Our Lord and Savior Taught." That is as vague as it gets...what did He teach about seeking and saving? Where would you be if He had not sought you? Your commentary is no more than a diatribe of self righteous condemnation. The very thing that drives people away. Who do you think you are winning? Who do you think you are kidding? Are people flocking to you for a heartfelt message from God? Your screen name sounds like something left in a dirty kleenex. Most folks who fail to satisfy basic internet protocol by way of detailing basic s in the profile page generally turn up as anal orthodox. Freinds in profile...few...Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end [is] it for you? the day of the LORD [is] darkness, and not light.


"Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

"You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.

He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."

I never raise a defiant voice against Christ only those who profane his truth.

Not everyone is fit for the Kingdom of Heaven.





To snorch


are you ? by what you have left hear is showing me and every one else from other countrys who log on to this forum how bright you are and how low we are does maz have to prove him self to you or any new member who comes seeking

i have been reading to see whats been said to pastafarian and its amazing to hear this comming from christians

one thing i have learnt only god knows where a person it at how on earth can you tell where a person is at by looking at your screen and please dont leave the same smart alic remarks you left maz when you reply to me

one thing i dont have to grovel to you or any one who is a mamber of this forum i come hear to see what god is doing in the broader part of the world and you wonder why many wil not accept christ into their lives


by what has been said to pastafarian i am discusted i am glad i encountered god in a power full way other wise i would be in Jail serving time for murder


this should not be said to another brother and no one should have to prove them selves



God bless from damo


Those are all scriptures Damo.

Scriptures that show proof positive that Christ is not the flattering patronizing pansy that all of faithless Christendom needs Him to be.
Christ only went to twelve. All the rest came to Him.
If you didn't go to him on His terms you got nothing from Him. As it still is this day.
Some He rejected and some He healed.

Some who were to be rejected impressed him with their faith and He healed them. Such was the woman who just wanted a few crumbs to fall her way from the children's table.
Also the centurion who wasn't worthy and only needed the word from the Lord.

Here are all those things in their context.

Matthew 16
23-----"Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

Matthew 23
33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

Matthew 12
34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

John 8
43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.

John 8
23 "You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.


John 8
38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.


John 8
47 He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."

Mark 7
28 And she answered and said to Him, "Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs under the table eat from the children's crumbs."

Matthew 8
8 The centurion answered and said, "Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof. But only speak a word, and my servant will be healed.

Luke 9
62 But Jesus said to him, "No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."









.
damo7
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 30 2008, 12:17 AM) *
QUOTE (damo7 @ Jun 29 2008, 08:12 PM) *
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 29 2008, 06:30 PM) *
QUOTE (Maz @ Jun 28 2008, 04:40 PM) *
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 28 2008, 01:23 PM) *
Christ in me is qualified. Who do you think is qualified to be arrogant in the day of wrath. Serpents brood of vipers if you are in no better outward Shape by dieing to self and walking in His Spirit, then what do you believe? Certainly not what Our Lord and Savior Taught.

Matthew 21
21 "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' it will be done.


If Christ is in you why do you raise a defiant voice? If Christ is in you you will defy religion, but not the lost. " Certainly not what Our Lord and Savior Taught." That is as vague as it gets...what did He teach about seeking and saving? Where would you be if He had not sought you? Your commentary is no more than a diatribe of self righteous condemnation. The very thing that drives people away. Who do you think you are winning? Who do you think you are kidding? Are people flocking to you for a heartfelt message from God? Your screen name sounds like something left in a dirty kleenex. Most folks who fail to satisfy basic internet protocol by way of detailing basic s in the profile page generally turn up as anal orthodox. Freinds in profile...few...Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end [is] it for you? the day of the LORD [is] darkness, and not light.


"Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

"You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.

He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."

I never raise a defiant voice against Christ only those who profane his truth.

Not everyone is fit for the Kingdom of Heaven.





To snorch


are you ? by what you have left hear is showing me and every one else from other countrys who log on to this forum how bright you are and how low we are does maz have to prove him self to you or any new member who comes seeking

i have been reading to see whats been said to pastafarian and its amazing to hear this comming from christians

one thing i have learnt only god knows where a person it at how on earth can you tell where a person is at by looking at your screen and please dont leave the same smart alic remarks you left maz when you reply to me

one thing i dont have to grovel to you or any one who is a mamber of this forum i come hear to see what god is doing in the broader part of the world and you wonder why many wil not accept christ into their lives


by what has been said to pastafarian i am discusted i am glad i encountered god in a power full way other wise i would be in Jail serving time for murder


this should not be said to another brother and no one should have to prove them selves



God bless from damo


Those are all scriptures Damo.

Scriptures that show proof positive that Christ is not the flattering patronizing pansy that all of faithless Christendom needs Him to be.
Christ only went to twelve. All the rest came to Him.
If you didn't go to him on His terms you got nothing from Him. As it still is this day.
Some He rejected and some He healed.

Some who were to be rejected impressed him with their faith and He healed them. Such was the woman who just wanted a few crumbs to fall her way from the children's table.
Also the centurion who wasn't worthy and only needed the word from the Lord.

Here are all those things in their context.

Matthew 16
23-----"Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

Matthew 23
33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

Matthew 12
34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

John 8
43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.

John 8
23 "You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.


John 8
38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.


John 8
47 He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."

Mark 7
28 And she answered and said to Him, "Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs under the table eat from the children's crumbs."

Matthew 8
8 The centurion answered and said, "Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof. But only speak a word, and my servant will be healed.

Luke 9
62 But Jesus said to him, "No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."









.





To Snorch


yes they are but look at the twelve and the way they doubted and behaved how often did jesus have to pull them up also i remember Jesus saying the very same thing to peter get behind me satan

i use to also come down hard on those i picked up playing church but slowly god dealt with that side off me snorch

today i see things in a diffrent light and i am able to also see why so many fall and want nothing to do with what we hold on to


my poor partner often has to tell me to smile when i am with her and we are walking threw her community she lives in i cant help it i am a big guy she had one filapino male thinking i was going to belt him until she brought him over and we got talking when i walk with her the guys where she lives move to the side she reminds me not to show the seriouse side and says smile damo filapino males are real small i am 6 foot 1




one pastor i use to know use to bealt people if he ever heard any one mocking his faith or if he heard a member gossiping about another member he would shame that member in front off everyone

the twelve that Jesus picked were very lucky to wittness what we read about in the new testament


but the way i see it Jesus should not have had to pull them up rebuke them and then correct them and encourage them telling them what i can do you can do this as well


Some times it can be hard when some one comes hear trashing what we hold so close to our hearts not once did you hear jesus trashing what he saw in the villages he found him self in and when he ate and talked with the sinners it was the pharisees and sadducees who saw Jesus as a lunatic and a trouble maker

also he who is distant from god hears gods words and they feel the holy spirit drawing them


no jesus is not a wimp or a pansy as some think

i am not having a go at you or am i getting in the middle all i am saying what would christ be saying if he were to read what is left in this forum ?




brothers in the lord should encourage each other not pull each other down and talk trash to the point were you start to be rude

you do have sound knowledge but i also like what maz has to say he speaks from the heart and does not beat around the bush

i nearly lost it last fortnight and i had to ask Jesus to help me i wanted to shake this athiest up and teach him a lesson but as soon as i was about to do what i wanted to do i felt guilty and it was like the lord was reminding me that i no longer belong to this world



peace from damo smile.gif

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crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Gravelz @ Jun 27 2008, 04:01 PM) *
There is flaming on both sides here, it would seem. According to the Christians here, we can be atheists because their god gives us free will to do so. So why call us vane and stupid or "little monkeys" if your god lets us be atheists?



Hello Gravelz :


Blessings to you . . .

Click here: DNA Science Constructs Path To God: 1999 DNA Dream, Parallel’s 1999 Penny

http://dnascienceconstructspathtogod.blogs...1999-penny.html



Without the infinity, limitless equations of science, some believer’s in the Sovereignty of God (IHVH) would have remained dogmatic infidel’s, hiding under the umbrella of evolution.

The Agnostic and Atheist with a breathe remaining, can be converted through holistic study of sacred geometry. Salvation through Jesus (888), the Messiah(888), embraces the parallel’s between science and religion.



REFERENCES :



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA



http://www.coinfacts.com/error_coins/mules...me_mule_obv.jpg



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_eleme...y_atomic_number



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genome



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_prophecy



http://biblewheel.com/GR/Gr_43.asp

43 + Great, Majesty + His Greatness + Exceeding Joy + The Lord is Good + In Yah Yahovah

[GR] > The Number 43 - God's Great and Exceeding Joy
O send out thy light and thy truth: let them lead me; let them bring me unto thy holy hill, and to thy tabernacles. Then will I go unto the altar of God, unto God my exceeding joy: yea, upon the harp will I praise thee, O God my God.

Psalm 43.4

Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised; and his greatness is unsearchable.

Psalm 145.3

And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.

Deuteronomy 5.24

The prime Number 43 is the third element of the Unity Holograph Generating Set. It is directly associated with a host of identities relating to the Holy Spirit, such as Exceeding Joy = 43, Elohim = 86 = 2 x 43, The Spirit = 946 = 11 x 86 = T(43), and so forth.

Psalm 43 links to Book 43, the Gospel of John (vs. 3.21):

But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The KeyLink set is simply (Light, Truth) [Verify]:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism



http://www.allaboutscience.org/darwins-the...f-evolution.htm



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist

Posted by holisticwarrior at 7:30 AM

QUOTE (Neal @ Jun 28 2008, 12:25 AM) *
QUOTE (Gravelz @ Jun 27 2008, 04:01 PM) *
There is flaming on both sides here, it would seem. According to the Christians here, we can be atheists because their god gives us free will to do so.

Um no, that's pretty nonsensical. We can be atheists for as long as we don't witness any evidence of God.

If God showed himself to atheists, would it still be okay for atheists to be atheists simply because they have free will?

Of course not.

I'm surprised Maz didn't find a flaw in your argument.

QUOTE (Gravelz)
So why call us vane and stupid or "little monkeys" if your god lets us be atheists?

If this is reference to a specific argument I'd like to see it.

Neal.



Hello Neal :

Blessings . . .

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http://dnascienceconstructspathtogod.blogs...1999-penny.html



Without the infinity, limitless equations of science, some believer’s in the Sovereignty of God (IHVH) would have remained dogmatic infidel’s, hiding under the umbrella of evolution.

The Agnostic and Atheist with a breathe remaining, can be converted through holistic study of sacred geometry. Salvation through Jesus (888), the Messiah(888), embraces the parallel’s between science and religion.



REFERENCES :



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA



http://www.coinfacts.com/error_coins/mules...me_mule_obv.jpg



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_eleme...y_atomic_number



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genome



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_prophecy



http://biblewheel.com/GR/Gr_43.asp

43 + Great, Majesty + His Greatness + Exceeding Joy + The Lord is Good + In Yah Yahovah

[GR] > The Number 43 - God's Great and Exceeding Joy
O send out thy light and thy truth: let them lead me; let them bring me unto thy holy hill, and to thy tabernacles. Then will I go unto the altar of God, unto God my exceeding joy: yea, upon the harp will I praise thee, O God my God.

Psalm 43.4

Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised; and his greatness is unsearchable.

Psalm 145.3

And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.

Deuteronomy 5.24

The prime Number 43 is the third element of the Unity Holograph Generating Set. It is directly associated with a host of identities relating to the Holy Spirit, such as Exceeding Joy = 43, Elohim = 86 = 2 x 43, The Spirit = 946 = 11 x 86 = T(43), and so forth.

Psalm 43 links to Book 43, the Gospel of John (vs. 3.21):

But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The KeyLink set is simply (Light, Truth) [Verify]:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism



http://www.allaboutscience.org/darwins-the...f-evolution.htm



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist

Posted by holisticwarrior at 7:30 AM
Dan
QUOTE (Gravelz @ Jun 27 2008, 05:01 PM) *
There is flaming on both sides here, it would seem. According to the Christians here, we can be atheists because their god gives us free will to do so. So why call us vane and stupid or "little monkeys" if your god lets us be atheists?


Common sense tells you that you can throw yourself off of a 2000 foot cliff without a parachute, but that doesn't make you any less an Idiot, for doing it.

Besides you still get your wages from God for your choice. For disbelief the payment is death.

If you choose to be an animal and you believe your ancestors were monkeys, then you make yourself a "little monkey".

To make yourself the center of your universe is vanity. It is the choice of a stupid vane little monkey that doesn't understand what was offered to them by God.

We have all been there. But if we would have had the truth, of Christ, from the beginning and not a bunch of mealymouthed wishy washy babel, trying not to offend in hopes of extracting your money, we would have arrived a lot sooner to this day.











crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (snorch @ Jun 30 2008, 01:26 PM) *
QUOTE (Gravelz @ Jun 27 2008, 05:01 PM) *
There is flaming on both sides here, it would seem. According to the Christians here, we can be atheists because their god gives us free will to do so. So why call us vane and stupid or "little monkeys" if your god lets us be atheists?


Common sense tells you that you can throw yourself off of a 2000 foot cliff without a parachute, but that doesn't make you any less an Idiot, for doing it.

Besides you still get your wages from God for your choice. For disbelief the payment is death.

If you choose to be an animal and you believe your ancestors were monkeys, then you make yourself a "little monkey".

To make yourself the center of your universe is vanity. It is the choice of a stupid vane little monkey that doesn't understand what was offered to them by God.

We have all been there. But if we would have had the truth, of Christ, from the beginning and not a bunch of mealymouthed wishy washy babel, trying not to offend in hopes of extracting your money, we would have arrived a lot sooner to this day.



Snorch :


Without the infinity, limitless equations of science, some believer’s in the Sovereignty of God (IHVH) would have remained dogmatic infidel’s, hiding under the umbrella of evolution.


The Bible calls it the mind set of ' infidel ', not a ' little monkey '.

However, the ' little monkey ' can teach many lessons:

* see no evil
* hear no evil
* speak no evil


C
I personally do not think that atheist have a choice in the matter of believing, as much as they would disagree with me. I also use to think I "chose" God, but fact is, I actually ran away from Him. So there was no "choosing" on my side. Why would I choose that which I ran away from ?

I was grabbed . I KNEW that God spoke to me, even though at that time , I really did not even believe in Him.

There is NO WAY a person can convince somebody who does not believe , to believe. Its simply not possible. Never has been done before and never will be.

Listen, you who have gone through this KNOW that is was something that happened TO you and not something that you or any person made happen through clever words.
If you "convince" a person, you only will get them into religion. And God hates religion. Atheists also hate religion. Both are right to hate it.But when God shows something to any man, that man will get to know what is being shown, in such a way, that it leads him into truth and NOT religion.

Churches are full of religion . People actually think THAT is serving God and they are right to want to run away from it.


Search for truth. If you really want to find it, it will find you.

If you just want to argue and show how clever your mind is, then that is what you will get: a clever mind , but nothing more.

C
Neal
The real funny part is when Christians and Muslims quote verses from the Bible and Qu'ran "proving" their religion is valid.

Or say "Read read read the Bible! You're *blind* if you can't don't understand!"
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Neal @ Jun 30 2008, 02:46 PM) *
The real funny part is when Christians and Muslims quote verses from the Bible and Qu'ran "proving" their religion is valid.

Or say "Read read read the Bible! You're *blind* if you can't don't understand!"



Neal :

I quote from science, that God (IHVH) is real.

So did you see the 1999, info ?

crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Neal @ Jun 30 2008, 02:46 PM) *
The real funny part is when Christians and Muslims quote verses from the Bible and Qu'ran "proving" their religion is valid.

Or say "Read read read the Bible! You're *blind* if you can't don't understand!"




Neal :

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no no one has a choice but we are commanded by Christ to preach this gospel and that is all he commands us to do if a person responds its not me convincing the person i am reaching out to but the spirit





John 16


8 When he comes he will convict the world of sin and righteousness and Judgment

9 of sin because they believe not on me

13 Yet when the spirit of truth comes he will guide you into all truth. for he will not speak on his own accord but will speak whatever he hears and will declare to you the things that are to come


i also ran from God vowing never to come back and if i had my way i would not be hear communicating to you


when i walk the streets on a friday or saturday night with the guys i know we all know that many will not respond to the gospel you can tell who will respond and who will not respond


i also depend on the holy spirit when i am using the public transport there have been times where i have felt the holy spirit pushing me to share to the stranger sitting next to me

i remember comming back to the blue mountains i was on the first floor and this man sat next to me my rules are when i use to the public transport i smile be nice and give people the space they need

i was reading and i began to feel the holy spirit say talk to this person i sort of said no but the holy spirit kept pushing me until i gave in so i put what i was reading down smiled and got talking to the man

it was the state off origon so this gave me the chance to talk about the nrl i said to him how well new south wales did in the first match and it was the second match wich was being played in Brisbane then slowly i was able to bring gods word into the conversation i found out with out pushing him he was having trouble at home and use to be a christian i ended up invitting him to the church i was going to as our stop was comming up next i also had the chance to pray with him


i will only share this gospel to a stranger when i feel the holy spirit promting me i never push this gospel or bash a stranger over the head


sadly many will perish and we know where the Athiest and non believers will go come Judgment day


there are also many who do not want to give their lives to god why those who dont respond or believe like what the world has to offer them

you try to preach in a pub or a night club and see what responce you get

and before any one asks me if i have done it i say yes i have i use to wittness in a gay night club we use to go in every thursday friday and saturday night

no use calling any one a monkey this is what the world believes we came from apes they are our ancestors

there is no evidence or bones found from our real ancestors if the scientists found some hard proof then the world wil see things in a diffrent light

i was also taught this at school that the apes and monkeys are our ancestors and the more i studied i believed this my self

has king Davids bones been found has the arch been found what about adam and eves bones and sampsons bones and joshuas bones ?

we all know what the bible has to say but not one off us walked the earth when Jesus walked the earth or were we ther when god created this world we did not see what happend in the garden but you have experts hear in this forum thinking that satan had sex with eve

this is what i hate when you dont agree with some one and cant get them to see this to the way you see it you start to be rude instead of respecting that person and allowing them to use their free will


this is what turned me off from following god at times i feel like decking the christians i know when i say decking i mean hitting or belting




God bless from damo
Neal
I don't follow your 888 numbers.

QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet)
43 + Great, Majesty + His Greatness + Exceeding Joy + The Lord is Good + In Yah Yahovah

[GR] > The Number 43 - God's Great and Exceeding Joy

Nor do I follow this.

Now do I follow, going.

N
E
A
L

Number + number + number + number = sum.

Sum = adjective1, adjective2, adjective3, adjective n.

Etc.
Charlie
QUOTE (C @ Jun 30 2008, 12:21 PM) *
I personally do not think that atheist have a choice in the matter of believing, as much as they would disagree with me. I also use to think I "chose" God, but fact is, I actually ran away from Him. So there was no "choosing" on my side. Why would I choose that which I ran away from ?

I was grabbed . I KNEW that God spoke to me, even though at that time , I really did not even believe in Him.

There is NO WAY a person can convince somebody who does not believe , to believe. Its simply not possible. Never has been done before and never will be.

Listen, you who have gone through this KNOW that is was something that happened TO you and not something that you or any person made happen through clever words.
If you "convince" a person, you only will get them into religion. And God hates religion. Atheists also hate religion. Both are right to hate it.But when God shows something to any man, that man will get to know what is being shown, in such a way, that it leads him into truth and NOT religion.

Churches are full of religion . People actually think THAT is serving God and they are right to want to run away from it.


Search for truth. If you really want to find it, it will find you.

If you just want to argue and show how clever your mind is, then that is what you will get: a clever mind , but nothing more.

C


Ah come on C.
Can't I have a clever mind, more faith than anyone else and know all the truth to?

OK! I can't have it myself but I can Borrow it from God through His Spirit.



crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Neal @ Jun 30 2008, 08:31 PM) *
I don't follow your 888 numbers.

QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet)
43 + Great, Majesty + His Greatness + Exceeding Joy + The Lord is Good + In Yah Yahovah

[GR] > The Number 43 - God's Great and Exceeding Joy

Nor do I follow this.

Now do I follow, going.

N
E
A
L

Number + number + number + number = sum.

Sum = adjective1, adjective2, adjective3, adjective n.

Etc.



The 8888, 888, 88, 8 are continuance of the geometry of each other.

However, the reference to 43 = 4+3 = 7, is the seven years from 2001 until 2008.

This seven (7) years, is a reference to the 43 = 4+3 = 7. ( the encubation period )

The 1999 DNA dream, was nine (9) years minus 2008.

However, I did not understand the dream until 2001. ( 2001 was the start of the encubation period
of the message, due to my understanding of what the dream codes were at that point )

The 2001 reality of the DNA dream, is viewed through last Friday's discovery of
the 1999 Penny, 06-27-2008 ( 06+2+7+20+08 = 43 )

The 1999 Penny, is the trigger point ( zero point, Omega Point ) . . . ' the reminder ', the
remembrance . . . of His Greatness !

So,

43 + Great, Majesty + His Greatness + Exceeding Joy + The Lord is Good + In Yah Yahovah

[GR] > The Number 43 - God's Great and Exceeding Joy

crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Neal @ Jun 30 2008, 08:31 PM) *
I don't follow your 888 numbers.

QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet)
43 + Great, Majesty + His Greatness + Exceeding Joy + The Lord is Good + In Yah Yahovah

[GR] > The Number 43 - God's Great and Exceeding Joy

Nor do I follow this.

Now do I follow, going.

N
E
A
L

Number + number + number + number = sum.

Sum = adjective1, adjective2, adjective3, adjective n.

Etc.



Hey ya Neal :

Could not sleep, so I just answered your 43, question.

And I saw my error, of not explaining the 8888.


The 1999 DNA Dream, represented as you read `the spinning DNA helix`.

The 8888 dream, in 2008, represented the 8's on each end of the Tau (cross).
And the central 5th eight (8), was suspended in the middle of the Tau.
This middle eight (8) was holographic, and was also a representation of the DNA helix.


So, the symbolic parallel's between these dreams are the pictorial DNA helix.

To help me unfold the encoded data, I have researched the meanings of all
8's :

8, 88, 888, 8888, so on, so forth . . .

Neal, if you find any eight (8) topic web links, please forward for my files. Thank you !


p.s.
And I already know, that you know that the name's Jesus and Messiah, are both 888.
Including, the word ' penny '. The Hopi Indian's utilize the understanding of the spider
grandmother over the world, as a geographic representation of this DNA message.
C
QUOTE (Neal @ Jun 30 2008, 09:46 PM) *
The real funny part is when Christians and Muslims quote verses from the Bible and Qu'ran "proving" their religion is valid.

Or say "Read read read the Bible! You're *blind* if you can't don't understand!"


Yes, because they forget the time when they too "did not understand " and they forget how horrible it was , when people told you silly things like that.

Christians are not allowed to judge you or anybody who else who do not understand what they are saying/believing.

I have been on this planet a while and I know this: Very few people (if any) , if they KNOW something, will refuse to walk in what they believe. So its stupid to tell somebody who do not share what you believe, that they are blind. I truly believe that you are at this moment , fully walking in what you know to be true for yourself. I do too. I just walk my walk according to what I believe to be the truth (and not a forced truth, that somebody shouted at me )

If you do not see it the way that a Christian see it, then nobody can force you by condemning you.

To me life is very similar to a Pin-Ball game. (gives my age away biggrin.gif ) You need all those flippers and bumps, to get you to your destination, and you kind-of do score points as you travel along (point , like in learning things) So I don't want anybody to stop my journey, nor must they try and cut short my lessons.
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (C @ Jul 1 2008, 05:04 AM) *
QUOTE (Neal @ Jun 30 2008, 09:46 PM) *
The real funny part is when Christians and Muslims quote verses from the Bible and Qu'ran "proving" their religion is valid.

Or say "Read read read the Bible! You're *blind* if you can't don't understand!"


Yes, because they forget the time when they too "did not understand " and they forget how horrible it was , when people told you silly things like that.

Christians are not allowed to judge you or anybody who else who do not understand what they are saying/believing.

I have been on this planet a while and I know this: Very few people (if any) , if they KNOW something, will refuse to walk in what they believe. So its stupid to tell somebody who do not share what you believe, that they are blind. I truly believe that you are at this moment , fully walking in what you know to be true for yourself. I do too. I just walk my walk according to what I believe to be the truth (and not a forced truth, that somebody shouted at me )

If you do not see it the way that a Christian see it, then nobody can force you by condemning you.

To me life is very similar to a Pin-Ball game. (gives my age away biggrin.gif ) You need all those flippers and bumps, to get you to your destination, and you kind-of do score points as you travel along (point , like in learning things) So I don't want anybody to stop my journey, nor must they try and cut short my lessons.




( excerpt from ' C ' )
To me life is very similar to a Pin-Ball game. (gives my age away ) You need all those flippers and bumps, to get you to your destination, and you kind-of do score points as you travel along (point , like in learning things) So I don't want anybody to stop my journey, nor must they try and cut short my lessons.


Hello alias, Elton-John-Pin-Ball-player, ' C ' : ( smile )


See ' C ' . . . giving my age away, also !


Very profound commentary, you made ' C ' :


. . . .and you kind-of do score points as you travel along (point , like in learning things)



And I am filing the above excerpt you posted, in relation to ( point, like learning things ).

The ' DOT ' ... is a trigger point. And you are very much expressing this aspect of my research
that is still not concluded.


Dot: a sacred symbol of the universe in its unmanifested form.

The Period is the simplest punctuation mark. It is simply used to mark the end of a complete sentence that is neither interrogative nor exclamatory.

The symbol for singularity is a single dot or one-dimensional point.


The punctuation mark (.) period, the dot.




( excerpt Post#140, crownsevenalphabet, Today, 12:30 AM July 1st, 2008 )
The 1999 Penny, is the trigger point ( zero point, Omega Point ) . . . ' the reminder ', the
remembrance . . . of His Greatness !


Click here: DNA Science Constructs Path To God: `D O T`

http://dnascienceconstructspathtogod.blogs...8/06/d-o-t.html


p.s.
The Alpha Point reverses to Omega Point, vice versa.

The limitless, infinity of God (IHVH), Messiah and Holy Ghost.

The universal aspect of His birth, death, resurrection, parallel's
astronomy principles.

And ' C ', you stated it so very well :

" So I don't want anybody to stop my journey, nor must they try and cut short my lessons . "




p.s.
Keep me posted, if you find more information for my ' DOT ', topic.
C
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Jul 1 2008, 01:47 PM) *
QUOTE (C @ Jul 1 2008, 05:04 AM) *
QUOTE (Neal @ Jun 30 2008, 09:46 PM) *
The real funny part is when Christians and Muslims quote verses from the Bible and Qu'ran "proving" their religion is valid.

Or say "Read read read the Bible! You're *blind* if you can't don't understand!"


Yes, because they forget the time when they too "did not understand " and they forget how horrible it was , when people told you silly things like that.

Christians are not allowed to judge you or anybody who else who do not understand what they are saying/believing.

I have been on this planet a while and I know this: Very few people (if any) , if they KNOW something, will refuse to walk in what they believe. So its stupid to tell somebody who do not share what you believe, that they are blind. I truly believe that you are at this moment , fully walking in what you know to be true for yourself. I do too. I just walk my walk according to what I believe to be the truth (and not a forced truth, that somebody shouted at me )

If you do not see it the way that a Christian see it, then nobody can force you by condemning you.

To me life is very similar to a Pin-Ball game. (gives my age away biggrin.gif ) You need all those flippers and bumps, to get you to your destination, and you kind-of do score points as you travel along (point , like in learning things) So I don't want anybody to stop my journey, nor must they try and cut short my lessons.




( excerpt from ' C ' )
To me life is very similar to a Pin-Ball game. (gives my age away ) You need all those flippers and bumps, to get you to your destination, and you kind-of do score points as you travel along (point , like in learning things) So I don't want anybody to stop my journey, nor must they try and cut short my lessons.


Hello alias, Elton-John-Pin-Ball-player, ' C ' : ( smile )


See ' C ' . . . giving my age away, also !


Very profound commentary, you made ' C ' :


. . . .and you kind-of do score points as you travel along (point , like in learning things)



And I am filing the above excerpt you posted, in relation to ( point, like learning things ).

The ' DOT ' ... is a trigger point. And you are very much expressing this aspect of my research
that is still not concluded.


Dot: a sacred symbol of the universe in its unmanifested form.

The Period is the simplest punctuation mark. It is simply used to mark the end of a complete sentence that is neither interrogative nor exclamatory.

The symbol for singularity is a single dot or one-dimensional point.


The punctuation mark (.) period, the dot.




( excerpt Post#140, crownsevenalphabet, Today, 12:30 AM July 1st, 2008 )
The 1999 Penny, is the trigger point ( zero point, Omega Point ) . . . ' the reminder ', the
remembrance . . . of His Greatness !


Click here: DNA Science Constructs Path To God: `D O T`

http://dnascienceconstructspathtogod.blogs...8/06/d-o-t.html


p.s.
The Alpha Point reverses to Omega Point, vice versa.

The limitless, infinity of God (IHVH), Messiah and Holy Ghost.

The universal aspect of His birth, death, resurrection, parallel's
astronomy principles.

And ' C ', you stated it so very well :

" So I don't want anybody to stop my journey, nor must they try and cut short my lessons . "




p.s.
Keep me posted, if you find more information for my ' DOT ', topic.


OK, you have officially lost me. Like Tommy, I cannot see what you are saying about the dot , in relation to my post.


...


C
Maz
Is Your Bible Real?

OP asks...

What does that mean? It is real in that it has form and shape and I can pick it up and read it. Do you mean is it real in what it says? What is reality? Is it only that which can be, like the physical pages of a book, picked up and flipped through? I said "flipped through" for really what people seem to do is "flip over" (turn upside down)

Have ears to hear what the Spirit is saying. It is the day of the Word of My power. It is the day when I shall begin to openly reveal and divide between that which is soul and that which is spirit, and there shall be a clear
delineation between the heart of man and the heart of God, and the one who speaks from the heart of man shall be marked as one whose words fall to the ground, but the one who speaks from the heart of God shall even be as Samuel with none of his words falling to the ground and all that he speaks shall come to pass for edification and the upholding of that which I do and create in the earth!

Be willing to get in the secret place until you know you have a true word from God, and not from your own heart. This is the admonishment and this is the exhortation of the Spirit of God, thus saith the Lord.
crownsevenalphabet
Good Morning C :

excerpt of focus, Tommy ( smile )

( . . . and you kind-of do score points as you travel along (point , like in learning things)

The word POINT, is a geometry reference to the word : DOT

And this point/dot is how we each start our journy at a point/dot, and we travel along
this journey, while learning things.

Each human has a point/dot/starting gate. And a point/dot/ending gate. Which is why
the reference to the word : POINT . . . concludes to the study of the Alpha Point/Omega Point.


And once again, you are so correct in this statement of yours :

" So I don't want anybody to stop my journey, nor must they try and cut short my lessons . "
C
Ah, OK got it now.I missed my own point biggrin.gif
Maz
QUOTE (C @ Jul 1 2008, 06:49 AM) *
Ah, OK got it now.I missed my own point biggrin.gif

Some pointed remarks say what?
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (C @ Jul 1 2008, 09:49 AM) *
Ah, OK got it now.I missed my own point biggrin.gif



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crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Maz @ Jul 1 2008, 09:57 AM) *
QUOTE (C @ Jul 1 2008, 06:49 AM) *
Ah, OK got it now.I missed my own point biggrin.gif

Some pointed remarks say what?



Maz :

DOUBLE POINTS . . .


Hey, you were right ' C ' . . . the pin-ball-game ! ( ha )


. . . you two (2) are getting me totally away from the serious . . . perspective !


HAVE A BLESSED DAY !
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